MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina suspends beef exports 15-days to contain domestic prices
The Argentine government has decided to restrict beef exports for a 15-day period seeking to stem the rise of prices in the domestic market. The decision was confirmed by Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich and sparked criticism by business leaders in the sector with some voices saying the strategy will have “no positive effects.” Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is what is commonly called 'cutting your nose off to spite your face'.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0A sensible policy for a better Argentina. A command economy is just what they need when their long term strategic goal is to return to capital markets. After all, Venezuela has been like that for years and is more prosperous than ever - give or take the odd riot over the lack of toilet paper.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0hell, we have no money so lets stop business generating money.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another classic in the CFK hall of fame
Best be stopping the export of shotguns and tinned food as we all know where this is heading.
Oh and piano wire, as isnt that the way to end a dictatorship in this country
Curiously, very few democratic countries seem to have government departments specifically intended to interfere in domestic trade and exports. It's usually referred to, disparagingly, as micro-management. Surely the situation is self-regulating. Are domestic consumers paying a reasonable price? If the stuff is over-priced, they won't pay for it. Is argie export beef the same as argie domestic beef? There are many controls in the UK on imported meat. No doubt the same is true in the US. If beef prices (domestic?) have increased 54% since the beginning of the year, why has the “government” waited 8 months? Doesn't it work out to around 7% a month? Why wait? Why not intervene in April when the increase might have only been 20%? Two reasons, surely? Aren't beef exports taxed? And argieland needed the money. And now we have typical Marxist grandstanding. “Look what we are doing for you”. Outpourings of gratitude!
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe in this time of economic crisis Argentines should abandon the luxury of eating cows in favour of the export dollars they bring in.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The prior times they banned exports domestic prices rose. They've done it plenty of times with the exact same results.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is this time going to do the opposite?
Because they say so?
I think their water is poisoned.
And in the papers today...the beef producers have told the government to go to hell...they are raising prices this weekend....
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 07. They'll just sell less stock, only what is absolutely necessary.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These Marxists sure are dumb.
Is that a total beef export ban, what about by-products of beef slaughter which people don't eat but are used for other things?
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can remember the first Geography lesson I had in school in the early sixties.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surprisingly enough, it was about Argentins.
No OHP or computer screens in those days. Just picture books full of pictures of the pampas, teaming with cattle being herded by gauchos and teacher explaining that a gaucho was a South American cowboy. How they supplied beef and wheat to the world.
I remember her telling us they used weights on the end of ropes that they swirled around there heads before casting them at the legs of the cattle. Bollasses i think she called them. Christ, there were a few broken heads in the playground that week, us kids tying rocks to what ever bits of string we could find and frantically casting them a our mates who were playing the part of the cows.
I remember thinking Argentina was an exotic wonderful place.
Now look at it? We've fought a war with them, no one trusts them and they trust no one.
What a fucking shame!!!!!
If I was Argentinian, I would seriously be considering the virtues of vegetarianism. Wonder how much a Big Mac goes for in downtown BA these days...
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The cornerstones of rotting roadkill society seem to be under attack. Cheap red wine, cutter/canner cows, futbal and political nostalgia for a golden era that never existed.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope that the continued suppression of foot and mouth disease is successful.
@6 Well, apparently it IS poisoned!
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eltrecetv.com.ar/cqc/proteste-ya-aguasturbias-en-pehuajo_071022
But I doubt our politicians drink tap water (and the tap water in the city of Buenos Aires doesn't have nearly that much arsenic, at least where I live)
Argentina and a beef shortage. If that doesn't convince them the government needs to be dumped, I don't know if anything ever will.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 “After all, Venezuela has been like that for years and is more prosperous than ever - give or take the odd riot over the lack of toilet paper.”
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I trust you are being ironic - they can't pay the airlines what is owed and are selling their assets in the US to keep their heads above water.
311K jobs have been lost since March! AND it is predicted they are going to pump and ADDITIONAL 200 BILLION pesos into the economy by eoy. Although that may be adjusted UP since tax revenue is rapidly decreasing.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will that be 1 wheelbarrow of cash or 2 for the loaf of bread?
:)
It's not looking good.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“EU welcomes WTO ruling against Argentinian measures on imports”
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-943_en.htm?locale=enhttp://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-14-943_en.htm?locale=en
#17 Leiard
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your habit of attaching interesting articles is well appreciated.
There is an excellent window of opportunity that has been opened by the Russian Federation for a permanent beef supplier status with world market prices and Cristina is slamming the window shut...
...Brazil will just pick up the slack along with Paraguay and Uruguay...
Funny how I read 1000 critical comments on the economy, NOT ONE SOLUTION.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a shock. None of you are smarter than the argentine government after all.
@19
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As citizen of Argentina what do you 'really and truthfully' feel is the solution to your problems ?
@20
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you have any sense of fairness? Who asked the first question?
@19
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The solution rests with you. That is, if you really are a citizen of Argentina. But given what I've seen here, there's little chance of there being a solution anytime soon. ;)
Platitudes, platitudes, and more vacuous platitudes.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just as I thought. How easy it is to stop trolling for a few minutes, and with ONE phrase I have you all dancing around to circumambulate the question posed.
@21
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes just pay the holdouts then maybe the outside world would look at you in a different light. God you are thick.
It is not up to the developed countries to give you solutions to your economy, changing the government would be a start but I think it will take a very long time before any serious investment will come to Argentinas rescue.
@24
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then that's not a solution is it? At least you tried though.
The desperation is gaining speed. The amount of poor rhetoric and descisions is directly proportionate to the degree of desperation. This is taught stupid. No one is born this stupid. Peso at 15 by EOM and 20 by EOY.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In sense of fairness, you are the one that tells us all about your great knowledge of all things, you regale us with your knowledge of all the terrible things we have done in our past and tell us that we are on the road to ruin.
Perchance it up to you to share your great knowledge as to your solution for Argentina's problems.
@23
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't ask me to solve “your” problems. I'm not dancing, I'm laughing. Can't you tell the difference? ;)
This is going to piss off the ranchers again. Prices will drop, export tax will go up, who wants to buy? ..... once the ranchers decide to convert their cow pasture to soybean field, that cow pasture land is no more...
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why are you all answering to me then? You have no answers, accept the truth submissively and gracefully. You are no better than the “argies”.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina without beef.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How's this for an analogy?
Arabs without oil.
@30
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand you have to get self affirmation any way you can. Just don't look to me to get it. If I answer you, it's for another reason entirely. ;)
Well, don't you all come back and cry to me why I don't actually engage in adult debate with you all. I just gave you the chance, to give coherent answers and retort back and forth. You all burned it.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Don't cry for me, Argentina.” ;)
Back to troll mode.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 By asking that question you are, at least, admitting Argentina is a country is crisis.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get rid of CFK and her government. Your country needs outside help and you won't get it until they go.
Meanwhile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Brazil are making fortunes with record high export beef markets. Even Chile is making large exports of farmed Salmon, pork and chicken to the Russian Federation. This compliments the long established Chilean winter fruit market there.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite an eventual resolution with the Ukraine crisis, these new markets will be long term, as Americans, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians and most Europeans formally had the RU as an established market.
How does Cristina react to this opportunity? She closes her beef exports for 15 days...
@ 31 reality check
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I prefer the slightly amended ”Arabs without oil and Muslims.
@36
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You make the wrong assumptions. I have never denied Argentina has problems. It is your side that claims it is a “crisis” (and that I do question), but most remarkably of all, you claim your own countries have no problems at all whatsoever. Even the few times the odd posters admits their countries have serious problems as well, they immediately fall back on the “at least we are not Argentina” recourse in order to supposedly minimize their own problems.
So who are the ones in denial?
Getting rid of CFK will happen in exactly 14 months, she can't run anymore. I find it shocking you believe the constitucion should be discarded if it is to dispatch a government you don't agree with. What you fail to realize is that sets the table for a government you DO like to also be dispatched summarily without reason!
I have always stated CFK will finish her term, in 2015. And that it is far better for Argentina long term, than any supposed short term advantage of resiling the stipulated time mandate.
This is absolutely effing crazy. As far as I can find out the Argentine government charges a 10.5% tax (VAT, IVA or call it what you will) to consumers buying meat in the super or the butcher. The govt says it wants to protect the consumers, particularly those on low incomes.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people don't buy high priced beef cuts, so rate what they do buy at 0%
Problem solved.
35. When had you left it?
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's for certain, if it goes tits up in the Ukraine? I sincerely hope it won't.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will be another cold war. It absolutely is going to happen. No Western European country is going to accept yet another annexation. Our memories are not that old.
The Russian Federation will be looking to other markets. South America would be remiss, not to fill the markets left open by the change. The Russian Federation is not the USSR.
The only thing I wonder is, what will happen when the Russian Federation runs out of Us$?
Will SA countries accept the Rouble as payment, bearing in mind that if it came to a cold war. No Western Country would accept that currency, just has they did not accept it in the last cold war.
@41
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's my point. Obviously I have not been following Mercopress as long as most of you folks, but as a student of Argentine, as well other SA nation's histories, I have since things have been getting out of hand. As far as I tell, this individual has been nothing but one of the worst sorts of internet trolls. If he doesn't like being treated as treats others, I am more than happy to reciprocate in kind. ;)
Presumably Argentine beef exporters have signed supply contracts with their foreign buyers for delivery of their merchandise. These they will now not comply with and get sued for non compliance.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will the government pick up the tab for that? Not bloody likely!
Which goes to show that any contract signed in Argentina is not even worth a full stop in its text,be it private contracts for beef or governmental payment of issued bonds
The standard Argentine answer when they don't perform “ It is not my fault”. They should at least try to humor us and say “ The Devil made me do it”
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the point is, would you sign a contract with an Argentine Beef producer, if you were not certain, that's the word, certain, that they would deliver?
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't , sorry, but I wouldn't, I'm buggered if I would risk my livelihood on the whims of an unstable government.
I'd look elsewhere, might cost a little more, but at least I know will deliver!
I've said many times that democracy has failed in Argentina. You need to seek out and support an Arg version of Pinochet. The first order of business is to disband all the unions, fire about 2-3MM people out of the gov't and root out corruption.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once the corruption is gone instill respect for private property and promote a free capitalist society.
It will take a generation or 2 but the country can be fixed.
Elaine.....tobi is correct. It is only a crisis by the standards of a developed nation, not a 3rd world, under developed, impoverished, semi organized country like Argentina. People like tobi will not notice the crisis taking place, only ones that work and are self sufficient and independent.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ but most remarkably of all, you claim your own countries have no problems at all whatsoever.”
Question to tobilita: We have we stated we are without issues?
And one more thing......you always claim we are saying we are the best at this and the best at that...where? Do you always equate being “better” than another means we are saying we have the best systems? I will never say we have the best.......but I have no issue saying we are by far a hell of a lot better than you and yours.
There was a certain charm to the old grass fed pampa beef, particularly the cheap cuts. Assados used to be something really unique. The same kind of flavors that you found in an old tail dragging, fresh kilt steer in Hermosillo - especially the flank, skirt, brisket, etc.. Since that is no longer available I'll just have to content myself with a cold smoked fillet from KC. Hope you Portenos don't get too sick from eating the stuff that now comes through Liniers.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drooling!
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You swine!
@48 TTT is so busy being indignant he misses the point entirely. Argentina needs outside help and no country or organisation is going to help the Kirchner government. He asked. And for all his self-proclaimed intellect he still cannot fathom that most of the posters here are individuals with different views.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grass fed beef is delicious as long as it is rare or medium/rare at most. Any more than that and it is tough as old boots.
#42
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They already have that problem, and if you or I can figure out a way to predict how Russia plans to handle it, we will be billionaires....
China and Iran are already utilizing bartering. Russia is fortunate enough that “Winter is Coming” and Europe is highly dependent with Russian gas.
What we don't need right now is a world wide recession...
Finally, forgive me for saying this, but “Obama is playing checkers, Putin is playing chess...”
I sympathize for the people affected by the civil war, but it's not all black and white. The EU, the USA and Russia are all to blame for the mess.
Cut it out my, taste buds are running out of control!!!!!!
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@47 What you propose has already failed even more than our democracy.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 054. I would bet there are quite a few people longing for the good ol' days of military rule right about now...
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo @52
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you ever think of a time in recent European history, when it has never been so?
Well, my dear paternal grandfather blamed everything on the French.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After a lifetime of puzzlement and disagreement, I'm starting to form the same opinion...
It's a wonderful strategy, as it throws off your true adversary's defense: (... at that hesitant pause, you plunge your hidden dagger into their heart..”)
It's also a fairly common strategy employed in Argentina, but substituting the English Pirates and the American vultures for the French instead.
@56 In the old days, the Russians played chess, and the Americans played poker.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah the dear old Frogs, bless em! They eat snails you know?
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst its well known that they are responsible for Tax, Bubonic plague, syphilis, small pox, bird flu, shingles, piles, eczema, bad breath, dandruff, ingrown toenails, cold sores, migraine, tonsillitis, scabies, knob rot, diarrhoea, whooping cough, laryngitis, acne, and of course, the common cold.
I have to admit, the current situation in Eastern Europe is not their fault.
Yet!
#58 and 59
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Absolutely, and until the current American administration, was very descriptive of Cold War politics. Even the Carter administration, who I disliked, at least played a weak hand of poker...instead of checkers...
Despite being a socialist, Hollande is playing a smarter strategic game with Putin, perhaps even better than what Sarkozy would have done. I think a lot of Europeans are now questioning the wisdom of these retaliatory trade sanctions... Now the airlines and car companies are voicing their worries along with the food suppliers that it's going to cause serious consequences for the economy.
The eventual economic collapse of the Ukraine, will far surpass the mess in Argentina. Which we all should blame upon the French...
I take it you are not including the mademoiselles, heho, heho, if you get my meaning!
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They look normal and they speak, then wow!
What it is it about French women's accents that turns them from a hairy croccadillypig into a Bridget Bardot? It's beyond my limited brain capacity! But it's true.
As for France. France will do what it has always done. It will look after its own interests and sod everyone else, until it needs them and then it will claim the credit!
Ce la guerre.
That how you spell it?
C'est la guerre. ;)
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Tu es belle, mon chou...” Is a great way to introduce yourself with the mademoiselles...
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I suppose,
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ava vous une cuppa?”
Won't work with them then.
Damn I hate sophisticated women!
Sounds fair enough that internal prices should bear some connection with the cost structure, and that the government usually intervenes in cases of blatant abuse, but the international markets works differently, based on offer and demand. But why does CFK believe that by blocking beef exports, especially when they represent only 6% of total domestic production, is going to have any effect , other than piss-off the cattle breeders ?? CFK tried the same gimmick a few years back and it blew up in her face. Meddling with the sacred laws of offer and demand just doesn't work. It never has. If the prices are too high, don't buy ! But CFK is not smart enough to learn from her past mistakes.
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19, 4n Trolley, it's not our responsibility to come up with a solution - - it's your dear President's. And quite frankly, if she doesn't come up with one, and you get screwed, I couldn't give a rat's arse.
As to yr #23, , wasn't it yesterday, or the day before that I criticized your “shitty” English.... did that touch a nerve ? ..because now you've outdone yourself...no normal English speaking person uses such highfalutin words as “platitudes” , or “circumambulate”...only some juvenile, inexperienced little pricks, trying to show-off...how about trying being less childish for a change ??
¿Jack Bauer - 4n conTroll- Village Idiot?
Aug 22nd, 2014 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well ladies and gentlemen, the previous incoherent rant post by a supposed #65 Jack Bauer is from the exact same sexually frustrated village idiot that also has posted on this thread as #39 4n conTroll
Notice how he actually attacks #19, which happens to be himself?
Finally he leaves us with the highly intellectual advice of:
...only some juvenile, inexperienced little pricks, trying to show-off...how about trying being less childish for a change ?
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Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0@67
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...inside every bowl of soup.”
Estar hasta en la sopa. I haven't heard that one in a long time. lol
@67 oh do go away troll and concentrate on carving your stone tools in your damp Mendoza cavern. When you have finished that task the frigid ladies will be all over you.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@66
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0He reminds me the movie Accion Mutantes. I could see him as a character with multiple personalities always arguing with himself.
@69
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not interested in women, especially argentine ones.
It is comical that most of you repine bout my incessant trolling and the paucity of earnest disposition to debate. Yet now that I'm evincing such qualities, without “deflections”, and eschewing truculent accusations towards your nations and their histories, you are the ones bandying at me opprobrium. So apparently all those calls for me to comport to some expected base standards were mostly empty rhetoric.
Tell me this doesn't seem apropos for him...
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.rupturarecords.com/catalog/images/accion%20mutante.jpg
Any takers for noetic discourse?
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0@73 it's at it again. Well what can you expect from a troll , such species unrecognised by the majority of humans?
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo@66
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's really quite impressive to see how thick you are, to actually be unable to tell the difference between JB (me) and your buddy 4nTroll...
I was under the impression that the officers in the Chilean navy (giving you credit that you weren't just some deck-hand) were smarter than that...seems I was wrong.
@73
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure, as the man “on the scene,” what do you think should be done regarding the beef crisis in your country. As some people have already pointed out, after having learned about Argentina as a major beef producer in classes at an early age, it is mind boggling that they are no longer exporting, let alone raising prices on an already cash strapped populace. For my part it beggars belief, given the history of the republic from its earliest years. How about it? ;)
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There is little to be done about it. You have an unholy ensemble of a populism-driven administration, which by nature seeks to fix long-term structural challenges by engaging in self-inflicted myopia to avoid it (with the result of enacting policies which are efficacious at increasingly minute timescales) ,PLUS completely disreputable argentine ranchers that in modern times have shown no interest or capability to be able to both export and supply to the local market simultaneously.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Modern argentine meat industrial tycoons are notoriously infamous for butchering even their grandmothers when exports are unfettered. This causes local prices to rise way beyond what is paid anywhere else on Earth. And in a nation like Argentina, such a end result is quite simply a non-starter, economically, politically, but most preponderantly culturally.
Well given the need for exports as a source of income as well as cheap domestic supply, the real problem has been the failure to deal with hoof and mouth disease. Other countries have dealt with it. I can't understand why the current government, let alone the private sector can't get their act together.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not certain to what you are referring to. That livestock malady is no worse of a problem in Argentina than elsewhere in the world, at least when one riffles the pertinent sources.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it seems to be keeping Argentine beef off the market. True, the US has a lot of cattle, but nobody is keeping it out of their country for that reason.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_and_mouth
Unless Wikipedia is 100% inaccurate, Argentina is on the same fito-sanitary level as many other countries that are right now exporting freely, and just a notch below the likes of Australia and Canada.
Taking out current local policy of exporting aside which precludes empirical testing, it would seem then that there is a major double-standard against Argentina.
“FMD occurs throughout much of the world, and whilst some countries have been free of FMD for some time, its wide host range and rapid spread represent cause for international concern. After World War II, the disease was widely distributed throughout the world. In 1996, endemic areas included Asia, Africa, and parts of South America; as of August 2007, Chile is disease-free,[4] and Uruguay and Argentina have not had an outbreak since 2001. In May 2014, the FAO informed that Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador and Peru were ”just one step away“ from eradication;[5] North America and Australia have been free of FMD for many years. New Zealand has never had a case of foot-and-mouth disease.[6] Most European countries have been recognized as disease-free, and countries belonging to the European Union have stopped FMD vaccination.”
Not sure about the double standard part, it lists a number of regions that are free of it, which was my point. According to your source, it seems Argentina's neighbors are almost there, and I do believe your country has eradication within reach. That's what baffles me. So close and yet so far.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jack Bauer-4n cnTroll-Village Idiot
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0#75
I'm honored to have served as “...just some deck hand...” which was one of the proudest moments of my lifetime.
#71 he posts:
“I'm I'm not interested in women, especially argentine ones.not interested in women, especially argentine ones.”
Ok, that validates what Elaine already advised...
It's just too tempting to comment about, but Argentine women are some of the most beautiful in the world with a wonderful variety of girls of Welsh, German, Italian, Mestizo, Syrian...
Voice
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Jack Bauer
ncntrl
Collectively I dub the - Smeagol.
Your Yankee Amigos Salute You, Smeagol!
@83
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are also manipulative, and overly obsessed with exuding and proving capabilities of independence and feminism. Not for me.
@82
Yet those countries “almost-free” are allowed to export to countries that do not allow Argentine beef. You may well be an intelligent, perspicacious person, but the world is far from being this fair-play playground where “the invisible hand” corrects all malfeasance and straightens any impurity brought forth by human tribal politics.
Argentina is a potential major, even mortal, threat to many beef industries around the world, so at the first signs it could re-emerge when not tripping on its own internal hurdles, the global kibosh is immediately dusted with the intention to put it on top of it.
@85
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment reminds me of Jose Gaspar Rodriguez De Francia. (Not meant as an insult I assure you.) ;)
As for the women, I prefer a woman who is able to cover my back with a firearm. But that's just me. ;)
So you are Paraguayan. Though beyond your founding father, your reference in relation to my redaction escapes me.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0And I prefer Paraguayan women, actually. I once met these two women from Asuncion, at a mall. They were on a shopping trip. If it wasn't creepy I would ask you to locate them for me. Amazing muses.
Elaine mentioned that he had serious problems with women. Oh well, to each their own....
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has always had the Russian market open for export.
Wikipedia is not always the best source of accurate information.
Those interested about FMD should consult:
http://www.oie.int/animal-health-in-the-world/official-disease-status/fmd/list-of-fmd-free-members/#c10693
Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia have FMD, as Argentina. Chile does not.
All those countries however can export their meat from FMC certified free regions, but under strict controls.
Sorry to disappoint, but I am what is known as a “Paraguayanist.” I recommend a book, by a gringo, Richard Alan White. “Paraguay's Autonomous Revolution !810-1840” University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, 1978. It might be available in Spanish, but no matter. Read it. You will see what I mean. ;)
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not being interested in women is having a problem with women? So all monks the world over have problems?
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I simply engaging in an ascetic lifestyle for a greater goal. I am by default not interested in dissolute pursuits like twitting, facebooking, and smart-phoning, so that one is no problem. And I have refrained from sublunary velleities such as carnal pleasures or substance intoxication. I have not imbibed in fourth months now, I do not smoke nor engage in recreational drugs. Given my location, local women are not of my great interest, and even if so I mentally remove them as they would be a major distraction to my objectives.
Fellow posters! Don't feed the troll from Mendoza. It thrives on masochism comments and spurs it to further efforts.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting that our very fly fisherman Sr Think endorses it's comments albeit with qualifications on another thread.
How daft can you get?
@90
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ I am by default not interested in dissolute pursuits like twitting, facebooking, and smart-phoning...”
In all seriousness, that is a wise decision. ;)
I am certainly not responsible even for 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000011% of Apple's fabulous treasures. I have never purchased any of their products. Someday I may invest in one of their laptops however.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, I've spent a least half of everything I've ever earned on wine and women...
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0...the remainder I sadly squandered...
Poor characters like Smeagol are pathetic.
@94
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0When I was a young man, and a wargamer, we had a saying : “Some things are more important than wargaming.” Wine and women were what we were referring to. ;)
When Argentines arrive in Santiago, they make a beeline to one or our numerous Apple stores to buy iPhones, iPads and iMacs... We have an open market here.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I clearly remember the excitement of traveling over to Mendoza by car to go shopping in the mid-70s... ...Argentina had everything...
I suspect our little troll will take a bus over to Santiago and learn what a free market economy is all about.
@96
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I certainly hope so, it will be his best opportunity for a good deal.
@92 Dont feed the troll!. I
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has a capacity of verbose pomposity to inflate its self esteem. Elaine, bless her heart and feminine maternal instincts has tried to engage it to get some psychiatric help. As you will see from previous posts it just spits back at her.
Across the lines I suggested to our argentine posters , Think in particular, that this thing needed help as a fellow argentine.
No reply of course and in recent posts Mr Think seems to endorse its posts.
So ignore it's posts and it will die from malnutrition.
Nostrils says:
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“... engaging in self-inflicted myopia to avoid....”
Never a truer word spoken especially if used to describe him. It isn't what Nostrils say, it's what is doesn't say or avoids saying that tells us more.
@98
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I tend to be more subversive, if he engages me in intelligent discussion, I will respond. I do not give personal information, just honest reactions. If he went off on me, I am more than capable of responding a la Ambrose Bierce. I have seen the performances in the past, but if he wishes to be civil, I can hardly react otherwise. Your point is well taken, and I am a patient man. Have no fear. ;)
@96
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are brainwashed, but if they wish to spend their money on such superfluous and completely overprice garbage (they are garbage given their 2000% mark up), then it's their call.
I don't find joy in investing in a widget that is 2000% overpriced, and that never gains any value after that. I will never buy any of their products. A computer is the lone exception because it is an essential expense. The other items are only intent on distraction of the masses.
@96
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...it is an essential expense.”
Aye and there's the rub. It may come to pass that you have to go elsewhere to obtain what you need. When that time comes, as the Romans used to say, “May Good Fortune Attend.” ;)
It is a major problem, given my aversion to have any of my income flow across borders into the coffers of nations that are hostile to us, or due to my general dislike to make wealthy people wealthier, but admittedly a couple of exceptions may need to be made. The good news is I don't consume capitalist froth if it has no value to educate me further. Nor am I interested in brand-names, which is the bread and butter of EUian and NorthAmoan bait. I could care less what my pants or shirt have as logos.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0So overall even though I am forced into a pair of exceptions, I do quite well in eschewing foreign brands and supporting local ones.
@83 Chicureo.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“deck-hand” ? so I inadvertently promoted you....you must have cleaned out the roundhouse.....with your toothbrush...
Now, make sure your brain is engaged, and compare my style of writing with the asshole's from # 77...no similarity. Besides, haven't you yet realized that I live in Brazil, and the n Troll lives in Argieland ?
BTW, I went to Chile a couple of times last year, with my family, to visit some wineries. Good experience. Met quite a few people, but can't remember having run into anyone quite as dumb as you.
@84 Chronic disease - I'd appreciate it if you didn't put me in the same category as ”Voice, Think and the other shit, Trolley. And as far as Smeagol goes, you know what you can do with him...
@103
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know the feeling. I buy things that are made here. I have even stopped buying a brand of concentrated lemon juice I have used for decades because it was from Argentina,as it is funding a criminal regime. We do what we can. It's all we can do. ;)
So obviously many in here have some sort of alternate or additional gathering place. Suddenly everyone has come out with this word “Sméagol”.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I looked it up and it's that creature form the Lord of The Rings fiction. I guess he must be the most erudite character and mellifluous speaker in said fictional world.
Has snotty been to West Africa recently?
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0One sneeze from it in the shopping mall in Mendoza would infect all other innocent Argentines in its vicinity with Ebola.
But that's probably his vision of a better world anyway.
@106
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, it's a multipersonality being, the disorder being brought on by the murder of a friend and the influence of a magic ring controlled by an extremely evil being from afar. I think you can grasp the reference. ;)
I only watched one of the films due to peer pressure and it was fine though a bit boring since I did not understand the mythological background. I thought that creature had another name.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@109
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have read the books 7 times when I was younger, played a number of board games related to the saga, but never seen all the movies. You are correct, “Smeagol” eventually became “Gollum.” It has something to do with his eventual twisting in his obsession with the “One ring to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.” Currently, there is a constant reference to a member of the Argentine government as “Gollum,” but for the life of me I can't tell which it is. Capitanich? Timmerman? It can't be Kissoff, since he's “Elvis.”
Spending my time with a 14 year old virgin who pretends he's from Brazil and Argentina who knows is a bit too much of a waste of time. Apple equipment is sold with about a 20% markup in Chile about a 300% markup in Argentina. The remainder is taxes, which in Chile is 10% import duty and 19% IVA. Argentina tax is far more as its not partially assembled there.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really need to find a life little boy.
@111
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0He'll find that out the hard way. Hopefully it will be an eyeopener in a positive way. ;)
Gollum of the bug eyes? easy to pick in any line up of KFC cohorts.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was this the beef they were going to export to Russia...?
Doubt it would be accepted if they did try and ship it... wouldn't pass the additives tests...
Frank set me straight, there are several to my mind that fill the bill. lol
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@109
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The unfortunately assembled Timmerman is 'Gollum', so dubbed because of Argentina's colonial ambitions re: The Falkland Islands.
Okay, I had suspected that because of the head. Much appreciated. I generally see him referred to as Tinman.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@116
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Timmerman has earned many other such 'nicknames', all equally unflattering, but much easier to figure out.
I am sure. ;)
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0OMG, this thing from Mendoza gives me an itch in the rsend, commonly called piles though I'm sure there is a more medical term for that complaint.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@111
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my oh troll oh troll
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2013/09/30/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-an-iphone/
So it costs U$S 213 to make, OFFICIALLY. Unofficially many claim it really cost between 150-170 to make. Assuming 160.
160 to make
213 official list make price (33% mark up profit)
619 official retail price (280% mark up profit)
You say 20% mark up in your place.
745 chile price (360% mark up)
820 post import (410% mark up)
980 plus VAT (510% mark up)
Well... that sounds like a sound investment at a fair price!!
@120
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's be fair now...you don't need an Iphone. You need a computer. No need to waste money on something you do not need. ;)
@111 Chico, really improductive trying to talk to you....but tell me, when you were in the “navy”, which night was your's in the barrel ?? Did you have a sore backside for a few days ? no use taking it out on the others, just stitch your arse up and shut up...
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0tobi both you and yourself know how intelligent all of you are and what business savvy you have based on your business empire, so, please tell us where the “actual” cost comes in considering this is the gross margin, where is the net margin at before AND after taxes?
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In a report of exacting detail, UBS estimates gross margins of around 50% for both devices. ”
Even whatever the nets are before and after taxes......who fucking cares besides you? Takes 10 grand and invest in Samsung.
104. “I'd appreciate it if you didn't put me in the same category as ”Voice, Think and the other shit, Trolley.”
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You put yourself there, Smeagol. Remember: People in hell want icewater.
Sheesh, so much unnecessary character assassination...
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chicureo - Mr Jack Bauer is indeed a resident of Brazil and as far removed from a certain young Mendozan in sensibility as the sun and the moon are from each other. They couldn't imitate each other's 'speech' if they tried.
Jack - Chicureo is a distinguished former member of the Chilean Navy, a bon vivant, excellent raconteur and satirist of considerable skill. As I'm sure you will discover. Given the sheer profusion of different ID's used by some, mistakes are sometimes made. Please leave it at that.
@124 chronic
“You put yourself there, Sméagol.” Nope, you did.
#125 Heisenbergcontext
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the kind introduction, although using “distinguished” is an exaggeration
I remain completely unconvinced about the legitimacy of “Jack Bauer”. . .
Not sure what everyone's complaining about.
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lomo (prime back steak, filet) is about 100 pesos a kilo which at 14/$1 is usd$7.15 per kilo.
Too me that's cheap! Actually I may eat a whole one myself tonight on the Parrilla and wash it down with one of my Los Perdices wine.
Get a large pile of red hot coals and sear the outside just like cooking Tuna, so the inside is still cool to the touch. ..mmmmm Sushi de Vaca!
Got to give The K's credit for driving up the blue rate :).
125. This:
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I remain completely unconvinced about the legitimacy of “Jack Bauer”. . ”
#127
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree, certainly more expensive than before, but still a complete good lomo is affordable and well worth the cost. We have a gourmet breed from Japan called Wayu , but I prefer the typical Angus and Hereford. The Wayu is the most expensive, but it's too fatty and I prefer taste.
The best quality available in the supermarkets in Chile has been imported from New South Wales, Australia.
@125 Heisenbergcontext
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good advice, no point in wasting my time explaining the obvious. Tku.
#127
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now this is something to waste your time with
Typical large Argentine asado.
It's not just about beef...
http://youtu.be/rpDC_xLk5GQ
Absolutely a complete waste of time trying to explain to the village idiots why their frozen soya veg mix/pink slime burger patties can easily be detected as fake, and very little to do with the authentic item.
“Chanchos en misa”
Very funny accusations been bandied about.....
Aug 23rd, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me set everyone straight....
24 hr Jack is what he is...no sense of humour and I just love taking the p!ss out of him when opportunity arises...definitely not Toby....
Toby...only one person ...changes ID's...but only one at a time.
There is only one Voice and that is me....forced by Merco from the indefinite article to the definite article to the verb or noun...
...and Mr.Think is none of the above.....
That is my opinion....
The irony, me trying to willfully foment acrimony amongst the antis, yet discord just magically surfaces when I ceased and desisted.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0hahahaha, kinda like your enemy running out of ammunition when you had decided to surrender.
#132 Voice and #125 Heisenbergcontext
Aug 24th, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you sincerely for your helpful observations.
Perhaps I was of mistaken opinion to who actually consists of “Jack Bauer” (the charming, personable and and highly educated sock puppet who fantasies regarding my midshipmen experience at #122)
In addition of the frozen hamburger perception above, another analogy of this village idiot, might be of Chicken Mac Nuggets that reportedly look and taste the same as well, but they all are different with their chicken entrails, soy protein, ground cartilage, finely blended compressed mixed chicken fat and skin purée finished with a delightful monosodium and flavors infusion prior to them compressed into uniform little gems.
Getting to know what someone consists of, doesn't necessarily means you can tolerate them. In summary, I apparently mistook one for another, and if that's true, I apologize for posting a misleading statement.
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Back to fun:
Anyway, tonight my nephew is grilling Harris Ranch New York strip steaks on a grill (yes, gas and I apologize in advance for the sacrilege) Still debating the red to open...
@134
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest the red you should open tonight is the red of your first aid kit. And inject the tranquilizer before you blow the other gasket.
#135 4n macNugget
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The red is from my first aid kit and most certainly it's an excellent tranquilizer.
Then hopefully the effects will materialize in the next couple of hours. Really, if you don't that whatever whatever whatever Harris Nixon Clinton Bush Obama strip steak will earn an unfortunate round trip.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like to attack with an exceptionally sharp knife into a rare grass fed bife and sabor it before cleaning your mouth with a sip from your goblet of a good red.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am relaxed and enjoying the sunset about to unfold.
That's a dangerous diet, it's been known to be a direct cause of “huge shoe size” syndrome. Or at least my cousin blames her exceptionally long foot size (size 44 on a woman), on too much beef. She presents me as evidence, as I'm cursed with a size 50... So we both have dangerously expansive stompers, and shoes in which people have been known to dissapear. I just tell her it is not meat, its because she's argentine and live not far from PATAgonia... Perhaps you should explain it to her from your Chilean perspective that makes this anatomical challenge of some “transandinos” (to you), more apparent. Her jealousy of chilenas and dainty feet maybe too much for her though.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.tourist2townie.com/hottest-lists/top-10-hottest-argentine-women/
Aug 24th, 2014 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have a serious problem as some of the most beautiful women in the world are from your lands.
I have merely stated I prefer foreign women, including Paraguayas and Chilenas. And my dislike of local women is based on philosophy more than physical features (I thought I had made it obvious in my tongue-and-cheek writing style above I was just making fun of the bad luck of me and my cousin due to our enormous feet). I should mention Brazilian women on the obvious “alegria brasilera” grounds.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The stern irony of all this does not escape me, and perhaps I deserve it. The troll that hates all things foreign, maybe done in by the foreign XY peril...
@Jack Bauer
Aug 24th, 2014 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yr welcome - perhaps less use of the word “asshole” might help your cause :).
@ Chicureo:
“Getting to know what someone consists of, doesn't necessarily mean you can tolerate them...” Undoubtably true. Sometimes civility in these forums requires considerable restraint, but I think it's worth it.
@128 Chronic
I've read dozens and dozens of Mr Bauer's posts over the many months he has contributed and possibly thousands of Tobias' and I can assure you that they are not remotely the same person. I'd also suggest you be less cavalier about who you 'point the bone at '. It's a popular pastime in these pages to accuse posters of being someone other than who they claim to be, and is often done so on the flimsiest of evidence. All of which can completely detract from interesting debates.
I frequently disagree with Mr Bauer's opinions, but so far we have been able to address each other with respect. There's no reason why you can't do the same ...
@127 Klingon
That IS cheap. I would have to pay at least twice as much for a similar cut in my neck of the woods.
#142 Heisenbergcontext
Aug 24th, 2014 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very good advice and I thank you.
Disappointed in the American asado this evening.
California Zinfandel was too sweet, but the disaster was watching my nephew placing some beautiful steaks directly from the refrigerator to the grill. As some of the guests were concerned about sodium, the steaks were under salted. I said not word in protest... Even when I discovered the steaks had all been grilled medium to medium well due to a diabolical digital thermometer they use. The meat was surprisingly still tender, but dry. ...An Argentine would have probably broke down and cried...
A nice surprise was sweet corn still partially in the husks grilled, which were outstanding. First time in my life I've had it this way.
Interesting that I escaped the cold in Santiago for the winter, but it's been very mild so far. In the 30's some days.
@143 Chicureo
Aug 24th, 2014 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your more than welcome. Additionally, your posts are stirring my appetite. Just about to put a roast in the oven, which I expect to attack with extra relish...
Hmmmmmmmm.........
Aug 24th, 2014 - 05:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Keeping the “Spirit” of this thread..... I would appreciate if some of the honourable intelligent gentlemen present in here invested some minutes of their valuable Sunday time to explain why they think the Turnips think there is more than one Think...
As far as I remember...., most of the intelligent posters present in here have been, sometime, somewhere, somehow, accused by the Turnips of being “El Think”.....
Thanking you in advance for your deference...
Yours truly
El Think
Nursing a goblet of porto colheita and in a dangerous mood.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Heisenbergcontext,
Americans have famed steak houses, but the culture of a proper asado is lost upon them. If countries were world wide ranked by their success in la parrilla, I wonder what would be the results...
I absolutely adore a good roast, but with the slow baked vegetables to accompany that carmelize during the slow cooking. The onions, carrots, potatoes, celery, perhaps a couple of pears or apples... For Señor Think I would mention that rutabaga, parsnips...even turnips are wonderful with a good quality European type bread. A cold winters evening with snow in the cordillera.
I hope the roast turns out beautifully...
P.D. or P.S. I learned to my amazement at a Navy Clinic a couple of months ago, that I'm still classified as being in the active reserves of the Navy. I retain my commission as glorified office boy. I'm not distinguished, but I'm still on the roster.
El Think,
Perhaps you've posted using another identity, (Which you have of course.), but I've never to my weak remembrance accused you of doing so.
We strongly have some serious disagreements, but I cannot remember being spiteful, and surprisingly we do find common ground from time to time. As the Canadian with a great appreciation of headgear, I respect those are sincere in their opinion.
In my humble opinion, there are many of intellectual debating skills to bravely hold their own ground in a field of what you refer as turnips, but there is only one individual as unique as “El Think”
¡Saludos!
@145 Think
Aug 24th, 2014 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We've already done this 'dance' before, as I recall, but to repeat: a sense of humour is as singular as a fingerprint. Think, A_Voice & Vestige all have the same sense of humour and much of it is based on a staggering ( to me, at least ) frame of reference. All three of these identities can convincingly weigh in on a vast range of subjects ranging from geography to history, English literature ( the many Shakespeare references, which you obviously know from heart ), international law and even home improvement and planning laws ( ! ).
All are equally familiar with both traditional and contemporary 'Anglo' culture, high, low and middle-brow, and your political preoccupations ( particularly regarding The Falklands ) are indistinguishable from each other. Despite the discipline you show ( A_Voice's ellipse's being a good example ), you can't disguise your worldliness or the things you truly care about.
As I've said before, I can't prove any of this, and more importantly, apart from being caught up in this myself, I really don't care. Even though I disagree with you on many different subjects, your erudition on many of these far exceeds my own which I am compelled to respect. You've also made me laugh out many times, and as we all know, a good laugh is a serious thing.
@146 Chicureo
Sadly my gourmet standards are not in your league [ I did include parsnips though :). I admire you humility regarding your commission - I assumed only a 'distinguished' officer would find himself in the company of a former Argentine President, famed for his ability to have a good time...
(146) Ohhhhhhhhh... la la....
Aug 24th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Shilean milico, under the influence & in a dangerous mood...!
Let's hope that your Corvo is safely kept.... in the Missus handbag. (Along with your pass & wallet ;-)
Anyhow.... you awaked my proteinaceous appetite... I Think I will prepare one of my favourites today...:
Cooked bovine tongue. served in chunky slices, sprinkled with a few drops of Aceto Balsamico Tradizionale.... (NOT to be confounded with its poor third cousin..., the Aceto Balsamico de Modena)
http://www.acetobalsamicotradizionale.it/home_en.php
No veggies, no fruit, no nothing..., JUST MEAT... (Yet another advantage of being single;-)
Further on...
1) I only post under the name of “Think”...
2) To my weak remembrance I think you, Mr. Chicureo, were once accused of being me, Mr. Think, by our common acquaintance, Mr. Joe Bloggs from Puerto Estanley...
3) I can assure you that the criteria I use to include any poster into my “Turnip” list is quite stringent...
It involves, at least a combination of personal insults, complete disregard for comprobable facts and unjustified haughtiness...
Hasta la victoria..
El Think
145 Think
Aug 24th, 2014 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I find myself agreeing with Heisenbergcontext @145....
...yet this can't be so...
...and only a fool would emulate the trademark use of ellipses....whilst trying to appear as a different poster.
It's all pure coincidence everyone has a double somewhere....and I certainly don't take it as an insult...
Although I think I'll set up a video cam to watch my computer and see if I'm accessing it without my knowledge...(just to be on the safe side)...;-)
(147) Heisenbergcontext
Aug 24th, 2014 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't you the one acused by that sweet Ozzie, Mr. Anglolatino of being an “Easily Identifiable” fake Aussie and a sockpuppet of Mr. Think?
(149) A_Voice
I find myself agreeing with Mr. Heisenbergcontext too..., only a fool (or a very cunning fella') would emulate the trademark use of ellipses....whilst trying to appear as a different poster...
@150
Aug 24th, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, I'm confident that you know every detail of that sorry saga as well as myself. The gentleman in question has since acknowledged his error.
(151) Heisenbergcontext
Aug 24th, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did he really...............? I missed that one..............!
We´ll have to wait longer for that other Aussie to eat his humble pie, I reckon...
April 17th. 'Argentina court prevents supplying Brazil with football hooligans intelligence'. Comment #48. Knock yourself out.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember everything of that saga...I remember HContext leaving the forum over it and I remember asking him not to leave and to ignore it...but he left anyway and yes I also remember Anglotino apologising for his past behaviour towards HC...
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which was fair dinkum...
...funny thing is, if I were to say whose style of posts were the most similar to Mr. Think my obvious choice would be Heisenbergcontext...;-)))
Much more importantly, young Danny Ricciardo has just won the Belgian Grand Prix. Awesome race.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Awful lot of Int'l news stories about Argentina's economy imminent demise. Most of them read like the author is gobsmacked that CFK is really this stupid.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chavez without the oil.
So at least the relentless and grueling decent in to mass poverty will be quicker than it was in Venezuela.
I hear lots of chatter that people are upping their eoy inflation forecasts.
Some say over 50% now...
I wonder what they'll say after the next devaluation
That'll happen soon enough.
Heisenbergcontext. Thank you for expressing your opinion.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@157 chronic
Aug 24th, 2014 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cheers.
@131 Chicureo, for once we see eye to eye. Enjoying an “asado” is time well spent, not wasted. On a totally different note, I find it strange you should have confused me with the Troll that “hates all things foreign”, considering, that in the past, we've exchanged one or two posts in a fairly civil manner. My sole intention, in participating in this site, is to discuss subjects brought up in the daily headlines, learn something new, to challenge opinions I don't agree with , or explain things as I see them, based on personal experience, or on information I've collected. I don't normally involve myself in subjects I'm not familiar with. As such, I'm prepared to draw the line - with you - to stop gratuitious insults. To tell you the truth, the only 'poster' that I think deserves being insulted, is the “Brasileiro”, who has multiple facets and appears to be about the most ignorant character I've ever had the displeasure of encountering online. When he comes out with unimaginably absurd remarks about Brazil, he just triggers my reaction. In line with what I wrote above, I take back the disparaging remarks about your midshipman experience.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132 Voice - I'm not sure which “Voice” you are...a few months ago I exchanged some acid remarks with “A_Voice”, whom, I gather, lives in Scotland. Since then, nothing. But I don't think you are him...right/wrong ? Re your comments on my lack of sense of humour, I'm not trying to be funny, and perhaps the few comical remarks I might make, are too subtle for you to grasp...given, of course, that you are probably not familiar with the context in which they are made. I suppose at least , I should thank you for noting I'm not the Foreign Trolley.
@142, Heisenbergcontext...I reckon you're right about my throwing 'asshole' around.....I'll try to restrict it to where the title is really well earned.
Well that's all sorted...everyone is pals again with who they should be pals with...
Aug 24th, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0159
Of course I'm A_Voice...do you remember when you first came on here and I said, “hey Jack Bauer I'll give you 24 hrs to get off the site” and you didn't get the joke and thought I meant it...?...;-)
A-Voice account was blocked, I changed to “The Voice” and that was copied to discredit me, so now I'm Voice and cannot be copied....
I never doubted for a moment that you were an individual poster....
Think: I imagine the prepared tongue was a success. There are “Basque” restaurants here in California which are famous for this particular dish, thinly sliced in a special marinade and served cold, but yours particularly sounds good.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jack Bauer: Your welcomed apology is accepted and I sincerely offer mine as well for assuming incorrectly. And to correct any prior perceptions, serving as a “deckhand” one of my happiest periods in my career.
Again, perhaps we could both learn from Heisenbergcontext's counsel.
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Today, I'm using the gas grill for wild Alaskan salmon.
Whole large filets with skin on and nearly thawed, dusted with lemon pepper, each on an individual piece of aluminum foil to keep skin from attaching to the grill. Grill is set at the highest temperature with moisten wood chips for a smoky flavor.
They are cooked as so the outside is darkened slightly with the interior rare, like you would prepare a tuna Japanese style.
Capers, wedges of lemon and dill as guests desire. Very chilled Sauvignon Blanc from New Zealand is in the refrigerator.
Uhuh!
Aug 24th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The head of Argentina's Supreme Court ( snicker) is just as dumb as the rest of the idiots running that horrible country.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First they screech, moan, groan and cry about Sovereignty being impugned and their solution is some sort of International law barring investment funds from buying defaulted bonds.
Are they really that stupid?
Do they not see the hypocrisy? Does this half wit ( a generous description) realize they waived sovereignty and are ignoring the law they promised to obey? Wouldn't they do the same no matter what other court it was from?
Yes, yes they are that stupid
@160 Voice, thanks for clarifying. I sure do remember our “not-too-good” a start, but let's 'let bygones be bygones'. Nothing to be gained by mutual aggression.
Aug 24th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@161 Chicureo, regarding your naval career, I fully understand why it was one of the happiest times of your life. I have travelled on ships many times, but as a passenger, during my early childhood to my teens, between Brazil and Argentina, and Brazil and the UK. More recently, I went on cruises, from NYC to all the ocean provinces of Canada, from San Diego to Hawaii & Islands, from NYC to North & Western Europe, and the Mediterranean and it is, without a doubt, the best way to travel, or to spend vacations. If “time” weren't “ money” didn't create such pressure to get things done, I would always choose seatravel over air. Nothing to do with the above, but nevertheless interesting, is the fact that, going back (quite) a few generations, there were two of my family members, on my father's side, who reached the rank of Admiral in the British Navy. Maybe that's where my attraction to the sea and ships comes from.
I reckon we have Heisenbergcontext to thank for intervening at the right time.
Chicureo, just one question, what's the name of the NZ sauvignon blanc you've got in the fridge ? or rather, “had”, by the time you read this...
#164
Aug 24th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A thirsty group... 2 bottles of Cloudy Bay, and 3 more of Kim Crawford 2012 Sauvignon Blanc. The Cloudy Bay was the favorite. The salmon, cooked with the skins down, came out perfectly at 12 minutes, with a few asking for more of a medium doneness at 20 minutes.
Sadly, the majority of my time served in the Navy was administrative, and most of my adult career was in private business while attached to the reserve as an advisor.
(142) Heisenbergcontext
Aug 24th, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look what you have done...!
People being polite and urbane to each other at MercoPress for posts on end...!
The axis of civility seems to be running between the Australian bush to the Patagonian steppe these days...
Shall we take bets on how long this will last?
Aug 25th, 2014 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@159 @ 161
Aug 25th, 2014 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great posts, and an example to all.
@166 Think
Alas, I live in a sprawling metropolis these days, but yes, it is nice when people get along.
@167 Klingon
Yes, Ladbrokes are probably quoting odds even as we speak, but enjoy the moment. Even Klingons ( I assume ) have moments of serenity...
This will not end well. Government interference of this nature will only take them in the direction of Venezuela.
Aug 25th, 2014 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fingerprints for food anyone?
People smuggling food OUT of the country when it has none?(with the conivance of a corrupt military).
The last time a Kirchner decided to unilaterally cut exports Argentina lost the Russian beef market to Uruguay and Brazil.
Aug 25th, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have a short window of opportunity to increase sales to the Russian market due to EU/US sanctions and they stop exports?
Aug 25th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Madness I tell you, madness!
(arf!)
@165 Chicureo, Cloudy Bay huh ? so you like the good stuff...so do I.
Aug 25th, 2014 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have tried quite a few sauvignon blancs from NZ (from the Malborough region...Cloudy Bay, Villa Maria, Stoneburn, Goose Bay, Montana, Mud House, White Haven, Sanctuary, Vicar's Choice, Wither Hills, Allan Scott) and the ones I like best are Cloudy Bay, Villa Maria, and Vicar's choice. The typical 'herbaceous ' nose, which resembles the smell you get from a freshly opened jar of 'white asparagus', is a sure giveaway. From Allan Scott, his 'gewurtztraminer' is excellent, try it.
I've heard of Kim crawford but haven't tasted it yet...don't think it's available here. I've had quite a few Chilean sauv blancs, and one that caught my attention was “Quintay Clava” (if the spelling's correct) and it definitely reminded me of the NZ sauv blanc....but the grilled salmon, washed down by good wine, is unbeatable . Do you use 'merken' on it ?
Argentina may be sleeping, but as Norway, Scotland, Canada and the USA can't ship to Russia, Chile is increasing their market shat for thee long term.
Aug 25th, 2014 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.undercurrentnews.com/2014/08/25/camanchaca-ceo-opportunity-has-opened-up-for-chilean-salmon-to-russia/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=camanchaca-ceo-opportunity-has-opened-up-for-chilean-salmon-to-russia
Jack Bauer,
I like New Zealanders and appreciate their wine, but my nephew-in-law (if that's the correct term in English) made the selection. Kim Crawford is very popular in the USA and it's a safe bet on restaurant menus, but there are other labels, like Cloudy Bay that are better. There are a variety of very good Chilean Sauvignon Blanc labels from the Casa Blanca Valley that sell for less than $4 in Chile, so we buy domestic.
Merkin is a favorite in our household and we've made a lemon-merkin-salt that we use on fish and poultry.
A question: Just exactly where are you located if I may ask? Brazil? I'm currently on the central California coast for the summer and will return to the Santiago area before summer there.
Merquén, laddies.... merquén.....
Aug 25th, 2014 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merkin is another kind of hot stuff ;-)))
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin
THINK
Aug 25th, 2014 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merkén or merquén or even Mapuche mezkeñ is correct and although I believe I typed “merken” the iPad auto corrected for some diabolical reason share to shat,
the to thee and merken to merkin. (And no, I haven't been drinking yet today...)
@173, Chicureo. Unfortunately, the price of good wine in Brazil is high. The reason is the fact that , contrary to most countries where it's considered a food, in Brazil it's considered an alcoholic beverage. Just another way to fleece you with taxes. And despite all the misgivings of the Mercosur, at least we get the Chilean wine at reasonable prices.
Aug 25th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We used to buy Merken locally, but no longer available. Bought a good stock while in Chile last year. It sure does enhance the flavour of fish 'n poultry.
As to the name on the small jar, it appears as “merken” (Mapuche Spice, produced & packed by Gourmet Mission S.A., in Santiago).
Brazil is correct, in the city of São Paulo, and the “bairro” (barrio) is Alto de Pinheiros (Zona Oeste), in a tranquil surrounding with lots of trees, about 5 miles from the city center.
@174 Think, don't believe I'll be eating 'merkin' any time soon, unless the dish is cod...
Jack Bauer
Aug 26th, 2014 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know your country a little, including São Paulo, but most of my business spent there was in the areas close to Petrolina and Juazeiro.
There was something that just didn't agree with myself and Brazilian wines. I fell back on Chilean and Argentine reds that were high priced.
One thing I really enjoyed a lot was the steak houses and Japanese restaurants in your country. Outstanding!
@177
Aug 26th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My missus is really into her Malbec and Merlot at the moment. I thought the Argy Malbec was going to be horrid however I was pleasantly surprised that it was quite nice. Still prefer a Chilean Merlot ;-)
#178
Aug 26th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The better quality Argentine Malbecs are world class, just as many of the better reds from Chile. I get the impression you live in the UK and if true, you have a wide range of options, but one variety you should try is a Chilean Carmenere, which was a “ lost” French variety that was being mistakenly grown as a Merlot.
It has become world famous and fun to try.
@17 Chicureo
Aug 26th, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Petrolina & Juazeiro are in the northeastern States of Pernambuco and Ceará respectively... The best things they have up there, besides the women, are the beaches and seafood (shrimp and lobster).
I fully agree that Brazilian wines are not comparable to the Chilean and/or Argentine. Say what they like, but the 'terroirs' (in the south and in te norheast - Vale do São Francisco) lack some of the basic characteristics to grow good wine-making grapes. The quality of the wine is not consistent, and when they do get a good vintage, they outprice themselves. Besides far more tradition, Chile and Argentina have many excellent wine regions, producing a variety of good grapes.
I know what you mean about the steakhouses, the so-called “rodizio”, with their endless cuts of meat...of which, to me, the 'picanha' (rump ?) is tops.
Jack Bauer
Aug 26th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With great respect to the ladies of the river sister cities of Petrolina and Juazeiro, thankfully few caught my attraction, but your country in general is a very dangerous place in regards to beautiful women.
I was a full time consultant for an international group that was investing in several agricultural projects in the states of of Pernambuco and Bahia, which has the driest climate in Brazil with abundant water.
Petrolina was where we had our working office, we spent the nights in an old hotel on the Juazeiro side of the river and took three day weekends in Salvador. During a three year span, I spent a total of nearly 11 months in Brazil, so I became very experienced with rodizio restaurants which in the high end ones always had salad bars that were world class. The most memorable meals were with farmers throughout the Rio São Francisco irrigation area, many times with goat as the main fare. We would typically end up spending the night at one of the farmhouses as the country roads in the night were far too dangerous to return to Juazeiro.
I invited my wife to join me for one week (like the European financial advisors) she was extremely unimpressed and never returned to Petrolina. She did however confirm that the incredible women could be a othreat to our marriage and loved the Bahia coast. She returned on an infrequent basis.
A Brazilian associate insisted that I visit the Island of Boipeba, just south of Salvador, which was paradise.
It became for all the project associates, our weekend retreat and as there was a small airstrip across the Inferno river, we'd land and take a small boat across to the Boca da Barra beach where they have some very simple, but wonderfully hospitable pousadas. There we'd feast on fresh fish, octopus, crab, lobster and shrimp. Our families were in and out, sometimes staying more than two weeks.
@181 Chicureo,
Aug 26th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When you mentioned Petrolina and Juazeiro, I presumed - wrongly - that Juazeiro you referred to was the one in Ceará, the capital city of which is Fortaleza, with some of the most beautiful beaches you'll ever come across. Now it's clear that it's the Bahia one, next door to Petrolina. Nevertheless, a great experience. As to the Ilha de Boipeba, haven't been there, but been told it's just like the Caribbean islands...
Jack,
Aug 26th, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've spent a day on the beach in Recife with its shark infested waters, as well as a weekend at Costa do Sauipe, but the countless remainder were at Boipeba. I have no regrets, as the islanders were incredibly friendly. With the ability to fly directly to Petrolina, or hop over to Salvador, it was ideal. One thing I love about Brazilians was the tradition to serve ice cold beer in its own insulated bottle cover. The waiters would replace it , even though it was only half empty, because it warmed a few degrees with a full new one.
Chicureo, not too keen on the sharks, but to sit under the shade of a palm tree on a white, sandy beach, with an ice-cold beer....doesn't get much better...
Aug 27th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed
Aug 27th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody hell...you two are getting on like a house on fire...and to think you were at each others throats.....
Aug 27th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peace
Aug 28th, 2014 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0#184 sure it does.........toss in Romeo or Partagas
Aug 28th, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(188) Make that a Sancho Panza Belicoso ... (and the beers served by a Black Brasilian Beauty with Big Boobies)... and we are speaking about a serious good time...
Aug 28th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always so sleazy! Makes my skin crawl
Aug 29th, 2014 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0To all of us that know how to appreciate REAL women... (And Cumbia ;-)))
Aug 29th, 2014 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n8XXjKGEfQ0
190. Mine too.
Aug 29th, 2014 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, Thicko isn't on any of the articles about Argentina's immanent collapse.
Just in case you missed it the Peso is almost 15/1 and there was a national strike yesterday. Although it probably didn't bother you on the other side of the Atlantic.
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