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Support for Scottish independence up eight points in August, say polls
The No vote's lead ahead of the Scottish Referendum has narrowed to just six points, according to a new poll. The YouGov poll suggests support for Scottish independence has risen eight points over the past month. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesYawn! The Scottish aren't going anywhere. Silly Salmon and his fishy friends should stop tub thumping and get proper jobs.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????be patient.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????no comment.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0just my thingy of a comment.
If Scotland gains independence???? Will the Cross of St. Andrew be removed from the Union Jack????..........Maybe be it should be replaced by the Red Dragon of Wales and to some fire back inti the English people
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0OK, this is Scotland's vote for independence from England
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0when is England's vote for independence from Scotland?
Or is just one country able to decide on the course of future history?
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Sep 04th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you wish to divorce your wife...should your wife decide if you can...?
It's getting a bit tiresome.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the vote does go YES then they deserve Salmond and all his lies about the economy.
It will be no good to come crying back to England when reality bites their arses.
The Scots are always emotional when some idiot starts wailing on the bagpipes. I can't imagine that the hard headed Scots businessmen I used to deal with have been bamboozled by Salmond and The Hag.
A simple consideration. Would England care? In round figures, England represents 84% of the UK's population. And the “loss” of 8.3% means what? For a start, the reduction in EU contributions, the end of UK subsidies for scotchland and the end of UK-funded scotch welfare benefits will probably save the UK around £50 billion. The removal of military shipbuilding from scotchland should see more savings. Of course, scotchland will suffer. And why would England care? So scotchland wants to desert the union, steal from it and cares nothing for the people of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Scotchland also conveniently “forgets” its debts. Not just scotchland's share of the national debt, but also the repayment of the loan, plus interest, given to the scotch, by England, in 1707. That now requires the payment of more than £2 quadrillion. The UK has a debt because of scotchland. Is scotchland planning to repay its debt? Not a chance. The scotch have always been thieves. The UK government should do the “right” thing. Remove everything it's possible to remove. Then explode everything else. Docks, ambulance, fire and police stations, government buildings, hospitals, schools, surgeries, television, radio and communications towers. If it's built with UK money, destroy it. Even houses. Leave scotchland with real “scorched earth”.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 03- I have reliable sources and the answer is- if it happens - then yes and yes.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems the english are nervous with this issue of scotland´s independence.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why?
because they will lose all the revenues from scottish oil and fishery?
Why is nobody talking about the English regions getting their own governments in some form of federation? Since the days of the Saxon kingdoms English people have strongly identified with their regions - admittedly not as strongly as the Scots, with the possible exception of Yorkshiremen who are so nationalistic they even have their own tea..!! 55 million people under one centralised govt is far too many, and far too inflexible, 5 million is far more ideal for a democracy. Germany is a federation, why not England and Wales? The small European states are, in general, far better run than the large centralised ones like France, Spain, and Italy.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9. Juvenile. Revenue from scotch oil and fishing? Neither is of significance to the UK. Scotch gas and oil is vastly overestimated by the SNP. Don't have to prove it. Just watch. And an economy based on fish?
Sep 04th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Sep 04th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you continually threaten to divorce you wife, but then shit your pants because you finally realise she is too good for you and you'd be crap on your own....is she then allowed to decide to finally leave your worthless arse, because she certainly doesn't want you....
After all, she owns 90% of the house, 90% of the cars, 90% of the kids, 90% of the holiday home, 90% of everything really....
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Sep 04th, 2014 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't your point...your analogy also appears to be flawed....
If that particular wife happened to have a life span of 300 years and you had threatened only once in that 300 years to divorce her....but even then the rest of it doesn't make much sense.....
All the Economists agree that Scotland could make it on it's own...so it's hardly worthless and the rUK have been wasting the revenue from it's oil for decades with nothing to show for it...
Besides what's the big deal about Scotland having political independence...by your comments anyone would think that this is going to affect you personally....
It's basically none of your business...no vote...no say....
This is for the population of Scotland to decide if they want to continue, forever living under England's thumb or be a nation again....
A clue is in the name SCOTland not ENGland.....
A Union is for mutual benefit and nobody can deny that that benefit has been all one-sided...
55 million people under one centralised govt is far too many
Sep 04th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what does one suggest to countries like USA , India China and all other countries of over 5 million people,
And if the worlds population is 6.5 billion and you divide that by say 5 million peoples how many countries would you end up with.
just a numbering idea .
People's republic of south devon on the way.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First we annex cornwall and drive out the six-fingered ginger untermensch, then we march on Bristol.
Fear it.
Frankly I am sick of it and Scots, good riddance! I think incorporating the Welsh dragon into the union jack is a fantastic idea. There will be adjustment for the UK for sure, but we will come out of this okay in time.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scots represent such a small percentage of the UK, yet they seem to think they should have overriding influence in everything and then do nothing but go on and on about how hard done to they are.
I'm sick to the back teeth of them, go....goodbye....good riddance!
“So what does one suggest to countries like USA , India China and all other countries of over 5 million people,”
Sep 04th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The USA is composed of 50 states, the average population of which is about 6 million, and the largest ones (e.g. California) are falling apart. India is a chaotic mess, China is an autocracy. Can you name any large politically centralised countries that a civilised person would want to live in by choice? Have you ever thought about it, deeply? Erm.....no......
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Sep 04th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Award goes to the funniest post of the week!
Got family in North Devon btw, Is that a problem? Are you going to call them the democratic republic of North Devon?
Not political independence A-hole...we all want that. No more Scottish socialists in Westminster ...Hurrah.
Sep 04th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What we English will make sure if the Nats get their way (they won't) is that there is FULL economic independence.
NO CURRENCY UNION
NO ACCESS TO 92% OF THE ASSETS OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND
FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR 8% OF THE UK NATIONAL DEBT.
What is not to like. Your analogy is shit...you want a divorce but are telling your wife she doesn't get a say in the terms.....hahahahahahahahaha.
When you see the terms you want to stay....but it's too late, she likes the idea too.
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Sep 04th, 2014 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said. They aren't going to like the terms of this separation at all. Salmond has convinced them they they are going to get everything they want and more and it's not going to cost them anything, most worryingly for them is that they actually believe him. The English may have had no say in the decision, but we will sure as hell decide who gets to keep what.
They are soon going to realise that being on your own is exactly that. They think that they are just going to walk right in to the EU without a single problem hahaha.
Spain and Belgium have a little problem with Catalonia and Flanders at the present time, they are not going to make things easy for the Scots, they want their own nationalists to see just what happens to separatist republics in the EU, they are certainly not going to provide them with a blueprint of how to break away and then get a red carpet back in to the EU. They will block them without a shadow of doubt.
No viable currency, no ability to borrow at reasonable rates, businesses and banking moving south, alienation of their largest trading partner.
There are some very harsh lessons ahead!
GeoffWard2 (#4)
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, this is Scotland's vote for independence from England; when is England's vote for independence from Scotland?
Or is just one country able to decide on the course of future history?'
Voice (#5)
'If you wish to divorce your wife...should your wife decide if you can...?'
The symmetry of your argument is fine for two 'equal' partners where the settlement can be equalised, but the UK - v - Scotland is *unequal*.
The argument is a classic IMBALANCED COST - v - BENEFIT conflict.
Classic 'tail wagging dog'.
The SNP is trying to convince the Scots that there is disproportionate benefit that accrues to them. Salmond, Darling et al have NOT framed any argument around a disproportionate dis-benefit to all the other countries of the UK.
This dis-benefit of the many - the shattering of a synergistic union - is a truth borne out by the success of many unions that have been spawned around the world.
The individual benefit to an 'independent' Scotland is a hope - a wishful desire - one that can and would disappear in the carve up of the union because ALL the non-synergistic inefficiencies must be factored into every nations economies.
All this COSTS REAL MONEY, money that can only be created by further borrowing debt compounding the present debt.
Clear thinkers can see this - clearly, but it is also clear that our leaders are not minded to expound on this clarity...
The 'run on the pound' would cripple the economies of ALL countries of the union - irrespective of a Yes or No vote by the Scots.
Much more can and should be said - explicitly - explaining the dis-benefit arguments to the Scots and the rest of the union.
@16 Totally agree
Sep 04th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just hope they get TOTAL independence, Which means “you can't keep the £”
scotland in the European Union?????? Not a big market for Tartan skirts or Ironbrew
I think we should rebuild Hadrians Wall and this time to stop them invading England
SCOTLAND FOR TOTAL INDEPENDECE Yes F*cking Please
17=Australia
Sep 04th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But your idea would still create far to many countries and far to many opportunities for some to expand.
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Sep 04th, 2014 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Welshmyass.....
The Welsh are Celtic as are the Scots....they have no love of England and the English...main reason being the English trying their best to eradicate them.....
I don't know what Welsh connection you are pretending to be....what I do know, is it's a load of crap...
I distinctly remember the “Warm: welcome the Welsh were giving the English when they were trying to buy up all the Welsh cottages....they set fire to them.....what was the slogan again...”Come home to a real fire”...
As for Hadrian's Wall it's in England numbnuts...runs between Carlisle and ...wait for it...Wallsend near Newcastle. It has never been a border between England and Scotland.....when it was built England and Scotland didn't exist....but a Welshman would know that.....
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We all heard the debate between Darling and Salmond...no currency union...no debt...so save all your theatrics for someone that actually gives a sh!t......
Funny how Troy Tempest is not about...but you are.....;-)))))...PMSL.....
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England hasn't asked for a divorce or separation.....if their was a radical Government in charge and that Government had proposed a separation and vote...there would be nothing Scotland could do about it and the Scots wouldn't have a say....
If one party doesn't want the other to leave...it is not the best tactics to bully them and tell them all the negative aspects of a separation....and that is all the UK Govt have been doing so far.....
If there is a Yes vote then the blame can definitely be placed on the shoulders of Cameron and the UK Govt for not convincing the Scots that they are indeed better together....the leader of the UK govt wouldn't even face Salmond in a debate...
He will go down in history as the prime minister that allowed the break up of the UK....
@23 Briton
Sep 04th, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Australia isn't centralised. It's a federation of 6 sovereign states. The largest has 7.5 million people and the smallest has .5 million.
So about 3.8 million on average.
We took the House of Commons as the basis for our lower house but the US Senate as the basis of our upper house.
That's how we melded the Westminster System with the US federal structure.
It works pretty damn well.
thank you for that, 25
Sep 05th, 2014 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0and 17 I was thus wrong.
in the meantime
And in 1707
Scotland and England did not exits ??
Read this bit
Of course; the UK is a single sovereign nation. It came into existence when the separate sovereign kingdoms of Scotland and England ceased to exist via the means of a bipartite union. The action and acts of union were a single incident over three hundred years ago. The outcome of those action and acts terminated the parliaments of the two separate single sovereign nations of England and Scotland which both thereafter ceased to exist other than as regions of the single nation of this UK. With those acts of bipartite union the then brand new sovereign nation of the UK came into existence as a single sovereign nation (not a “bipartite union”) “in perpetuity” and never to be separated
Read this interesting argument between pro and not
Two other experts who have one..lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11018994/Alex-Salmond-declares-
its-our-pound-and-were-keeping-it.html
Alex Salmond declares 'it's our pound & we're keeping it'
Follow -× rationalobservations and AZ
If one is interested..
just an interesting argument I was reading.
back tomorrow..
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A-hole
Sep 05th, 2014 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I heard Salmond and Darling...you only heard Salmond.
I heard Salmond triumphantly screeching “we can keep the pound, we can keep the pound” to rapturous ScotNat applause (morons like you)... When nobody ever said he couldn't...he knows the difference between currency union and keeping the pound...but knows you are too stupid to care.
Then he screeched....no currency union, the nasty English are denying us the assets of the Bank of England, more moronic applause, more lies. you can have 8% of the assets of the BoE. Nobody has ever said you couldn't. Does 8% cover your borrowing needs, underwrite your debt...Salmond knows it doesn't...and he knows you are too stupid to care.
Salmond knows there are some stupid Nats...you are clearly one of them. Happy clapping his lies and propaganda. He hopes there's 50.1% of these retards. There isn't....
Can one note a point of interest to the clever brilliance of Mr salmon,
Sep 05th, 2014 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0he says its our referendum, Scotland only can vote bla bla bla,
and the rest is written history, [ Scotland will stay] [ salmon will be humiliated ]
and yet,
if Mr salmon actually used what little cells that slippery fish had,
and opened the vote to all British peoples,
the consensus is that Scotland would have got its independence courtesy of the English/British votes ,
still we will never know now-
Welcome home...?
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Sep 05th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PMSL.....Where's Troy I asked....lo and behold after hours of nobody posting he appears at 05:36 am on the other thread and followed by you after hours of nobody posting at 05:55 am....
Posted as Troy then switched ID's and posted ...both at me......Doh!
Why don't you fcuk off trying to pretend you are two separate people....IDIOT!!!
Is this thread going to become about A_Voice too?
Sep 05th, 2014 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not again!
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Sep 05th, 2014 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Save it Skip...I like to expose the puppets...so you know who you are talking to...
@31
Sep 05th, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why didn't you expose Hepatia/British Bomber then?
Obviously your skills need a polish......
:-)
Mashy peas....from Hull...is the a anywhere near the u....didn't need to...;-)
Sep 05th, 2014 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Sep 05th, 2014 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy is Canadian and I am in England...the only thing we have in common is that we both think you are a thick Scotch retard.
Sep 05th, 2014 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are both accurate.
So, all the haters come out at once, and show there true colours.
Sep 05th, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, it's Scots, and not Scotch, using the word Scotch is widely considered a derogatory and hostile term.
Secondly, If we vote for independance, then that is our decision, and sod all to do with England. I am a No voter, but, seriously, from some of the comments I've see here, i am beginning to question the sort of posters on here.
Thirdly, Conquerer, the Keyboard SAS wanna-be. Fuck off you jumped up self rightous prick. Unlike yourself, i have served in the military, and operated out of credenhill, old and new camps, and let me tell you something pal, you are nothing, you have always been nothing, and will always be nothing. Pathetic waste of oxygen, If you feel brave enough, then lets have a face to face.
Britworker? You are fed up with Scotland? Truth is Scotland is fed up with westminster, and not the Union, they want the right to fully govern themselves, nothing more. Bedroom tax is a joke, Government spending is a joke, why the hell should we fork out billions each year, just to prop up London? to help pay for the HS rail system which has fuck all benefit for us up north, or those living in the north. Let me guess, you live far down south don't you.
Fake welsh twat, Seriously? pull the other one, the Welsh have no love of England, that is a fact. So i suggest you switch back to your fake Argy account and continue as normal.
Geoff, i agree with your post, Scotland becoming independent would harm the UK as a whole, in many areas. Salmond is playing the populist role, and we both know how populist politicans destroy countries from within. I don't agree with the independence route for Scotland, quite the opposite, but i do believe that Scotland should be able to run it's own inhouse affairs fully. The Bedroom Tax was the final push to win many of the Scots over for the indy arguement.
o Just think this out rationally.
Sep 05th, 2014 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scots have played a huge role in British politics. In effect they have power over a large and significant country. If they claim ''independence'' they lose that power and England with ten times more people and control of the pound would still dominate Scottish economics - only now the Scots would have no say in Westminster.
Meanwhile Salmond wants to make Scotland dependent on Brussels !
Scotland's choice then is between being a small nation with great influence over the big one on which it is dependent - England - or being a small nation with no power over the big ones on which it will be dependent: England and perhaps Germany
Scots, from being important in a big pond, have chosen to be important in a tiny puddle. It is a shoddy choice ,
Scots had immense clout here. Lord Rosebery, Arthur Balfour, Henry Campbell-Bannerman, Andrew Bonar Law, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Macmillan, Alec Douglas Home, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown - all PMs - were all Scots and even Cameron is of Scottish descent.
It's a lot.
Why throw all this grand history away to become a little Euro puddle.
, Salmond has already stated he plans to flood Scotland with immigrants
We say stay, ya know it makes sense…………………………………..
David Cameron confirms 2nd carrier HMS Prince of Wales will also be brought into service
https://twitter.com/NavyLookout/status/507905930764509184
out of interest if Westminster is incompetent , useless , and hopeless indecision, making then don't turn away stay and change it
after all we all suffer camarons idiocy ,
besides-- I think this is a EU conspiracy to divide and conquer
and that's just my opinion solely...
I no longer care. If they want to go, let them go. Give it ten years and they will be begging to return.
Sep 05th, 2014 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 38 ilsen
Sep 05th, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give them TEN MONTHS if they are daft enough to go.
Pity it will be no thank you, you had your chance and blew it.
I don't think they will leave, but the 18th is the only poll that matters.
Sep 05th, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid is as stupid does..
Hope they don't make such a foolish mistake. I believe there is a big silent NO camp who will make their voice heard on the day. I hope that Salmon fella slinks off afterwards.
england without scottish oil and heavy industry = less than nothing.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0it is understandable les rosbifs are nervous.
oh dear, paul-carrion posting on British themed threads again.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Proving his ignorance yet again, How sad.
Poor little wannabe!
No knowledge, just an ill-inforned opinion, probably best ignored.
As I said before, the 18th is the only poll that matters.
Lady Paulina of Downton- her Knees is merely an Anglophile who enjoys my whip.
:-)
The attention-seeking whore.
what happens mrs ilsen?
Sep 06th, 2014 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0you nervous?
lol
the result will be the uk importing steel and shale oil from argentina.
but this time: PAY YOUR BILLS, not like in 1945.
bloody thieves
ho the jealousy of these desperate argies,
Sep 06th, 2014 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0the cupboard is empty and she has lost but as long as her desperado bloggers support her she will cope...lol
Lol!
Sep 06th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hadrians Wall is NOT the English/Scottish Border. The actual border is at Berwick which is about 52 miles north of Hadrians Wall. A section of what Salmond claims as Scottish oil is actually off the Northumberland Coast and is English oil. Independence will be good for a England and Scotland...Bring it on.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hang on a mo,
Sep 06th, 2014 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know we all want it to be Scottish oil , English oil , Irish oil , welsh oil , etc etc etc
But it just so happens to be British Oil,
I'm pretty sure that the North Sea oil in the UK EEZ will NOT be divied up on the basis of a 'Line of Demarkation'.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MUCH too much NON-Scottish investment has gone into the oil rigs and wells within the UK EEZ for this simplistic approach to hold water.
The Scots will be lucky to get their per capita allocation.
this paul guy who keeps on abt Scottish oil,
Sep 06th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps he can tell us, when it stopped being British oil,
he seems to have a losers charter,
as you say Geoff, to much investment has gone into this,
and apparently even more investment will be spent exploring for oil , gas , for the future,
including this new fracking...
Salmond was asked about a Scottish Defence Force and he replied he already had one, they are the KOSB ( Kings Own Scottish Borderers ) they are obviously going to be renamed but so far have not. The Engish laughed, but there are only 500 of them,what are they going to do when faced by the enemy. Salmond said “ They will stand firm and when they see the white of their eyes they will on command lift up their kilts.” With that Nicola Sturgeon rolled her eyes in anticipation.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0command lift up their kilts--CFK faints...lol
Sep 06th, 2014 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One thing going for the Scots re:the EU.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the EU refuse an Independent Scotland entry to the EU, providing Salmond's Navy of ????? can enforce it, the Scots can tell European fisherman to get screwed. So can the rest of the UK if there is a EU in/out referendum and the vote's result is to leave.
In that case, more pain for Spain.
Apparently when Salmond was asked what he most wanted if Scotland got independance he said he wanted a locomotive and he wanted to call it the FLYING SCOTSMAN. It was pointed out that a locomotive already had that name, ok he said just leave off the “ F ”, for some of our not so bright Argies ( paul) It means his train would be called the “ LYING SCOTSMAN” rather apt I think.
Sep 06th, 2014 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scottish independence would be bad for both sides of the border. The only difference being that the remainder of the UK would recover. The day after independence there would be an inevitable disinvestment by UK firms out of Scotland. I work for in the Financial sector and we already have contingency plans in place to move our HQ out of Edinburgh, The same would be true of BAE systems who will have to close their Glasgow shipyards. Furthermore Scotland has far too large a public sector which is currently supported by British taxation. Leaving the UK means that they will need to fund all that plus pay for expand their civil service so that it can take on the roles which are currently run from westminster. It's a recipe for disaster.
Sep 07th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36. Quite right. The term “Scotch” IS widely considered to be derogatory and hostile when applied to people. Let's try a proper start point. Who considers the things north of the Anglo-Scotch border to be “people”? Are “they” even human? They can't even speak properly. All those unintelligible grunts. So the term was correctly used to be derogatory, hostile, abusive and accurate.
Sep 07th, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for your direct challenge, I'll kick your balls off and stuff 'em down your throat. Served in the military, have you? Wonder how many Brits refer to “the military”. Don't the best armed forces in the entire world refer to themselves as “the Forces”? I do hate yanks that claim to be British so they can feel important.
Rest of your “comment”. Little scotchland is 1/10th the size of England. If it was so wealthy, why would it be trying to steal 8% of England's assets? Greedy, lying or thieving? Could the scotch resist the UK, or just England, for a week? It may be that, at one time, scotchland was a “useful” nation. And now? Useless. Just watch. a few years and scotchland will be trying to survive on bread and dripping without the dripping. It will be of no more account than Andorra.
@41, 43. Scotchland has no heavy industry. Unless you are referring to the batter-filled layabouts. The gas and oil belongs to the UK. Check the treaties.
http://www.realscience.org.uk/makeitb/scottish-manufacturing-industry.html
Sep 07th, 2014 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[A Scottish Industry website, but most info is well out of date.]
Wiki. There is some industry in Scotland, but the multinationals tend to locate only about 10% of it north of the border, with 90% mostly in England.
There are a couple of big banks but these are massively in hock to the British tax-payer/London. Scotland would not be able to keep both going .
Of course, if Scotland goes independent of the UK (and the EU), most industry will re-locate - mostly to south of the border.
Grangemouth may survive, but its owners have been on the point of closing it more than one because of 'labour issues'. It is half-owned by China.
The defence industry will pull out, of course.
Scotland will then become a rural ag/fish and 'Services' nation.
The new definition of Scotland might become ...
'Scotland: a nation of shop assistants in kilts'.
My guess is that the tourist industry will tail away as border checks become important for a tightened 'Homeland Security' - England can not afford to have its Scottish back-door open to north africans etc.
There will be Calais-type camps for illegals along the border and patrolling guards with dogs along the wire, just like the US/Mex border, keeping out the wet-backs .. and the 'dry-backs' Scots.
No ... better to stay united, I think.
@ 56 GeoffWard2
Sep 07th, 2014 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Scotland: a nation of shop assistants in kilts'.
Surely you mean “The Devil's In Skirts”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA
Give it a few months of 'Independence' and there could be a new Carry On film: 'Carry on in the Gorbals'.
For a preview of what may be possible view this pinnacle of Scottish Filmmaking, but be sure to take a travel sickness pill first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA
To see the leading man, take a peek at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA
I can’t wait. :o)
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Sep 07th, 2014 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go Grandpa go.....;-)...except you are not one are you....no kids...;-)
I bet Rimmer must be shaking in his boots....
I won't get too excited by Conks challenge.. sounds like keyboard bravado to me...especially as Conq is a 145 lb streak of pish....that's almost my warm up weight for bench press...65 kilos..two 20's plus the 25 Olympic bar.....;-)))
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“L'Angleterre est une nation de boutiquiers.”......Napoleon....
....famous last words......;-)
Conqueror is a great advert for “Yes”, although when people read his posts in full most probably realise he's actually just a dick. I am curious though, did he serve in any of Her Majesty's Armed Forces or is he just another armchair warrior who's keen on gung ho rhetoric while actually being a timorous beastie in real life? He seems to evade responding to that question, so I assume he also evaded any notion of serving the Union he seems to be so proud of.
Sep 07th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The oil and gas belongs to the UK?
No it doesn't and which treaties say it does? The Geneva agreement on natural resources under the sea dictates that they are divided by median lines and most people accept that the Geneva approach is the standard approach. This gives Scotland 91% of revenues.
There's also a lot of talk regarding diminishing returns from North Sea reserves, yet here in Shetland they're building substantial infrastructure for the enormous west of Shetland fields.
Currently, Westmonster holds political control of the tax levels currently in place for the North Sea but the civil servants that work on North Sea regulatory affairs are based in Aberdeen, as are most of the oil companies, their supply logistics and actual workforce. After all, where did the Falklands and countless others send delegations to regarding deep sea drilling know how? Those who know best, Aberdeen and Shetland of course.
It follows that an independent Scotland would have the people and facilities in place and it's clearly evident that the loyalties of big oil companies will lie with whichever Country/Government actually controls the oil fields. Assuming there's a yes vote, the oil company's loyalties will similarly shift with little consideration for rUK.
Hopefully be given. From “Great Britain” to Brittany (Small Britain)... if it ever was Great. Ja !, the “Disunited Kingdom” made independent Scotland will have 600 km from north to south. Is not too miserable country?
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 057
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Next time you want to try and take the p!ss....make sure it's not yourself that is appearing foolish....
I thought you were supposed to be English...?
Watch the YouTube clip again and listen to the accent of the cameraman when he mentions the Pub....
It's English...southern English at that...Essex would be my best guess.....
Sooooo....pinnacle of English Filmmaking would be more accurate.....;-))))))
If Scotland votes No, do they get another shot in a few more years??
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I saw an article on this subject on HP so it seems that this is an important news story. It seems that London is now panicking and making big promises to the Scots.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is ironic, isn't it, that a country that can barely control a colony on its own island aspires to colonize islands in faraway America. I do not know what the outcome of the Scottish situation will be but there is no doubt that the UK will abandon their attempts to hold the Malvinas and will return them within the next 25 years.
There is one question, however, which still needs to be asked. Given that we have a UN with a Security Council will the rump UK still have a legitimate claim to a permanent seat in that body if the Scottish do manage to break away? I cannot image why. There are a number of other countries with a more legitimate claim even now. For instance, Brazil and India to name two.
A second question is, given that the UK has been advertising a 'special relationship' with the US since WWII, will the rump continue to do so after the Scots leave? From the US point of view the special relationship is a spurious claim already since great powers do not have them. Special relationships are the attributes of subservient countries. But the question is will the rump UK be too small for its subservience to be of use to the US?
IF Scotlands votes “YES” then you will have a Balcanization of Spain and Belgium.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0My guess is that on the long term the United States will shift its strategical partnership to FRANCE and cooperate with them nominally in the Middle East and North Africa, but on the long term the US doesn't need any ally in world affairs any longer because it can retreat to NAFTA, Central America and the Pacific. Bretton woods is finished. They have shale and they dont need to subsidize trade and globalization any longer.
US GDP linked to the rest of the world will only be 4%.
England and what is left of the Union will be more powerfull than India and Brazil combined as neither of these countries have the military projection the UK has.
Overall Europe seems to be ageing and going through Islamification.
Now this can change IF the Brits are lucky and smart enough and elect a nationalist anti immigration and anti islamic party like where France seems to be going for certain, they might have a chance to stay in the game.
Nigel Farage was summoned to Rupert Murdochs offices in New York the same day the polls turned. They have a chance get rid of the Socialists Scots and implement the correct policies..... Or not and accelarate their own decay and implosion.
Scotland will be poor again like it always was and will become more dependent on England economically like the Republic of Ireland ended up being.
Woodrow Wilson was smart when he came up with self-determination... divide and conquer.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is Scotland choice, and Scotland's future
Sep 08th, 2014 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0if they truly believe that the chosen one, the golden child of salmon will lead them the glory, riches , power , then that is their choice,
as a unionist who wants them to stay,
I can only caution them ,,,
1, you can never come back after destroying the union
2, you are in fact replacing a freely democratic elected government in Westminster, [ liken or not]
for an undemocratic unelectable EU political union to whom you have no control over.
please think very carefully,
as for the argies, not your concern or problem, even without the scots the rest can and will defend the Falkland's.
Well, Scotland is only doing to the UK
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0what the Balkans did,
and the Middle East then did,
then North Africa then did,
and The 'Russian' states did,
and Spain will do,
and possibly Belgium and Canada.
And before that, the British, Spanish, French and German Empires.
And before that ...
But Scotland is doing it with jingoistic fervour - with NO GREAT NEED, and with Think's reasoning ... “Just because I want to”.
It was obvious to me in 2007 that the collapse of world's banking systems would hit the UK disproportionately hard, and that some would try the 'Divide to Survive' approach.
It has been only recently that I have thought through the Domino Effect that Scottish partition would have on other nations.
'Divide to Survive' is NO WAY TO SURVIVE.
Survival AND ADVANCEMENT come from aggregations and synergy;
Partition and Insularity brings only Poverty.
And our enemies will jump for joy,
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0*68 of course they will!! what do you expect them to do??
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The pound is already taking a beating on the markets and the
voting hasn´t even started!! The break up of a Nation is not for the
faint hearted........it will mean a weaker Great Britain. Like conqueror once
said - the Scots will no longer be used as cannon fodder....ummmmmmm
#66 - you are in fact replacing a freely democratic elected government in Westminster, [ liken or not] for an undemocratic unelectable EU political union to whom you have no control over.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Westminster Government is what predominately Southern England wanted, not the majority of Scots. Do you honesty believe that Westminster represents the will of Scotland, or large parts of the north of England for that matter?
However, #66 is also at odds with #67's point that 'Divide to Survive' is NO WAY TO SURVIVE. Survival AND ADVANCEMENT come from aggregations and synergy; Partition and Insularity brings only Poverty. I entirely agree with this, and most Scots support Europe and continued membership of a large bloc while it looks like UKIP and others in England will force a referendum on us for withdrawal.
As such, many in Scotland think that voting yes is a better way to go rather than remaining part of an increasingly isolationist Britain.
70. Scotland alone is destined to be poor. Most countries that are mountainous are. Switzerland sits in a privalidged position in the heart of Europe. The EU is finished whether you like it or not. You have no navy and no capital and a ageing population. Thats why you needed England in the first place.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*71 They have been saying tha the EU is finished for a long time but all I see is that it is getting stronger....4 aircraft carriers...15 destroyers...95 frigates....navy budget 189 billion pounds.. is not bad for a navy.....ummmmm
Sep 08th, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(oh by the way!! it is England that has refused to join an EU army)
They have being saying it since 2009, that is not so long ago. It is finished. Forgett Britain, If elections were held today in FRANCE Le Pen would win and break away from the EU. The Germans will start getting old some years from now. Italy is a time bomb.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no European armed forces. Its pretty much FRANCE and the UK that are the bulk of Europes military power and display projection.
...and who in Europe would buy their croissants? :)
Sep 08th, 2014 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are 28 countries in the EU not four....
Everybody that wished to buy them. Trade in whithin Europe will always exist. Just the exit of France will trigger a domino effect, Britain will not stand being in the EU while the french are no longer in it. Consider how much money the EU put in to keep lesser economies of Greece and Spain together,they will not survive France leaving
Sep 08th, 2014 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0le Pen with only two seats in the 541 national assembly....why so much talk about this party with these results!!!!
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what?? Those are June 2012 results. Le Pen has now 26% of the polls backing her.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*77 like her old man in 2002......and then it went all down hill...
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Her Dad never got more than 18% in the polls. Sarkozy took most of that vote back again but Euroskeptic vote has already won in France. Time has run out for the EU. It's a Ponzi scheme. Scotland is heading for the eye of the storm.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 61 Voice
Sep 08th, 2014 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of watching that clip I thought only some clever dick will spot that, certainly not a Scot.
So well done.
On a serious note, the GBP has tanked at the moment but we all know when the Scots either come to their senses or piss off, the pound will rocket back up again.
Only 10 days left!
70 Sheltie
Sep 08th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that is a lousy excuse to g0 your own way,
in any and most referendums their will always be those who did not vote the government that they got,
but if you truly think that scots should not be ruled by a government they did not vote for,
what happens when Scotland gets it first referendum,
can all those scots who will not vote SNP demand their independence from Scotland , after all why should they be run by a government they did not vote for,
think again my friend.
Today all the English newspapers except one have focussed on the destruction of the United Kingdom.
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This was conspicuous by its absence in any of the media and in any public statements from any politician until now.
Perhaps this argument would have been better made a lot earlier.
Still, at least the Scots now know that their choices are not just about Scotland, whatever they pretend it to be. They will be solely responsible for the destruction of the United Kingdom; for the destruction of Great Britain.
If they vote Yes, they will never be forgiven, and bad blood will be present throughout these islands for many, many generations. England, in particular, will make sure the Scots are never allowed to forget this thing that they or their ancestors did.
It looks as though every vote is going to count.....
Sep 08th, 2014 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if my vote could be the destruction or saving of Great Britain....
...I'm still undecided...
...threats, doom and gloom from rUK
...promises, uncertainty and risk from the Nats......
...it's a tough one....
*82 is there any bad blood between England and Ireland?? of course not!!
Sep 08th, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Her Majesty not make an official visit to Ireland last year?? of course she
did.....no bad blood.so why should there be bad blood between Scotland and England??!! ummmmmm
#81 Briton
Sep 08th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True, but the point is about so-called local democracy. The 5 odd million residents of Scotland will decide on their own future while in the totality of the UK the Scottish vote really doesn't make that much difference to the results at Westminster.
However, #83 Voice does sum it up nicely for many including me.
85 Sheltie
Sep 08th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0local democracy
5 odd million residents of Scotland will decide on their own future while in the totality of the UK the Scottish vote really doesn't make that much difference to the results at Westminster.
83 Voice does sum it up nicely for many including me.
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Then see if one can persuade your opinion,
My facts are these, and if I am wrong I will await my fate,
You say 5 million and effect, [wrong]
Scotland has 56/7 MPs in Westminster, and Scots in all the main parties and even the majority of prime ministers,
Now that’s power,
Scots have a say in English welsh and Irish affaires,
We on the other hand have no input what so ever on purely Scottish affairs to do with the Scottish parliament.[ I think that is correct]
Scotland was not dragged into this union, you are not a colony slaves or abused people,
You the same rights , power/and influence that we have, together we have been all over the world, and invented the best,
Scotland has responsibility for religion, education, and the Scottish NHS,
No one can privatise the Scottish NHS except mr salmon,, and not Westminster,
You cannot blame Westminster for everything that goes wrong, without taking more responsibly for ones own action.. and eye could go on, but no space,
Eu
This nutty regime proved once a for all that Britain had no power at the invisible top table, when it totally ignored and overturned Cameron’s protests last month,
We will get out ,,they are totally totalitarian and will let no one interfere with there ambition of a political EU union, mr salmon will take you from us, and hand you over to an Unelected , irremovable EU ,
Do you even know your presidents name [did you even know we as EU members have a president.]
Stay and be part of the most successful union this planet has ever witnessed,
Rather than a black hole to a union with no say.
Last and not least,
The Falklands will they get Scottish troops when in need, or will they be abandoned,
Stay, its makes sense..
I started writing a list about why the Scots have got this independence idea so wrong but it went on far too long. There are literally hundreds of reasons why its a very, very bad idea. Bad for the rest of the UK but so much worse for Scotland. If they still vote for independence despite this then there is no hope for them. It's not even a close decision. If they cant see that then it's probably time to take the sharp objects out of their homes too. It's not rational to vote for independence. It's madness. Ten years from now Scotland will be a peripheral, divided country with no hope. It would have a smaller economy with fewer public services run by bent politicians. The rest of the UK will retrench and eventually carry on. Scotland will not recover. The problems in Scotland are not caused by London. They are problems of Scotland and they will continue to be so even after they've no longer got an English scapegoat to blame them on. Scotland was poorer than England before the act of union and it will be again after it leaves. Scotland needs to take a long look at itself and get real. Whilst the dream of living it large on oil money in the Socialist Republic of Scotland seems pretty cool it's just a fantasy. Scotland will not recover from the world of shit that will hit them from day one of independence. UK financial companies will disinvest because they don't have the protection of the UK govt. Tens of thousands of Defence jobs will go. Future UK investment will stay South of the border. Cross border trade will reduce dramatically because we'd be different countries but also because a lot of us in the UK will be pissed at Scotland for a very long time. To throw away 300 years of history because Alex Salmond has promised to buy you a deep fried mars bar if you do is moronic.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody they wants, pirates. Neither its nearest neighbors, the Scots. I hope they keep the way of the Irish. Fuck the Queen. Future Little Britain. Surveys are giving for independence!
Sep 09th, 2014 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 087
Sep 09th, 2014 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am failing to grasp what exactly 300 years of history has to to with it.....
History by the very definition of the word belongs in the past...it's done...finished...
I owe nothing to the rUK...
This is my life and why should I care about the past...?
Scotland has enough oil for the next 35 years..also England exports more to Scotland than Scotland exports to it.....
Scotland's Energy will be 100% from renewables by 2020 it already export 25% of the energy it produces and that will rise to 50% ...it has plenty other exports that go all over the world.
It has a small population....it will do just fine.....
BTW..no one has mentioned a Socialist Republic of Scotland even the NATS want to keep the Monarchy.....
Typical doom and gloom from the South...has that strategy worked so far...it appears to be backfiring, judging by the latest polls.
The more the South threatens...the more likely the people of Scotland will say...fcuk you.....we'll give it a bash and to hell with the consequences....
The South was confident in their lead in the polls and was not going to offer Scotland anything for a NO vote.....
....don't you think we all know that....
..and now the gameplay has changed and it's offers....too little too late....
The UK Govt have only themselves to blame if it all goes wrong...
Stop whinging and whining....haven't you guessed already that we don't care what the rUK thinks...our life...our choice...
What we believe is best for us...is all that matters....
89. You should watch Zeihans lecture again. History, geography and economics will come back to haunt independent Scotland.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 089. What has 300 years of history got to do with it? I really don't know how to answer that question. It would be like trying to explain to a child the importance of breathing. The problem is that if you've been brought up on a diet of braveheart you've missed all the really important history. Most of the really good things that you take for granted in the modern world derive from our common history. I'd rather base my nationality on that instead of some gay aspiration to be another “Inoffensive” Scandinavian country. It's like trading in Aston Martin of a history for a Ford Fiesta. Sure you could do that...but why the hell would you?
Sep 09th, 2014 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the South threatening you...its not a threat its a warning because you need it. Your day dreaming and about to walk into an abyss. You really have no understanding of how bad the consequences of independence are for you.
There's a reason people leave Scotland you know? Its not because they're forced too its because they prefer to live somewhere else because somewhere else is usually much better. If you go independent and people are forced to choose between being British or instead belonging to the Socialist Republic of Salmond so may more people are going to leave. You can cling onto to your straw of 35 years worth of oil as much as you like it wont be anywhere near enough to save you.
...you should be more worried about saving yourself.... no oil...no industry and no real agriculture....and a third smaller....
Sep 09th, 2014 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0...your future is...dwindling into insignificance...
lf Scotland votes to be a separate country, well its their business.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0l don't see a problem with it.
l don't think that the sky is going to fall in.
Nothing lasts forever.
Life will go on regardless.
Good idea though of fitting the Welsh Dragon into rUK's new flag.
And maybe Ulster's red hand also.
So rUK's colours will be red, white & green, the same as ltaly.
Peace
Isolde,
Sep 09th, 2014 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0after the 18th of this month, who will be in charge of protecting the Falkland Islands?
Scotland?
If the UK and Britain are broken up, would you hope that England would protect the islands of the South Atlantic, Gibraltar etc?
I would imagine that there will be much less money to do this, as Scotland would no longer pay for your protection.
They will have their hands full looking after their own islands - not least to stop the (Northern) Orkneys and the Shetlands deciding to devolve and be part of Norway.
Geoff,
Sep 09th, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't get me wrong, l do not wish the UK to split up. l hope Scotland votes NO.
But if Scotland is going to leave, they are going to leave & its no use anyone getting emotional about it.
We cannot force them to stay with us, & l wouldn't want to anyway.
l think that rUK are quite capable of doing anything that the UK does.
There is something else that Scotland would lose.
No oil money from us, paying for our defence.
Maybe not to much in the scheme of things, but every little bit helps.
btw-the last talk that l heard was that the Orkneys & Shetlands wanted to stay with the rUK.
So its Norway now. Will Norway accept them?
Scotsman here, happily voting No.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond says that it's about Scotland not being ruled by a party they didn't vote for. Thing is, I and many others didn't vote for him...
He hasn't been able to answer many questions about what will happen post-referendum if he wins, which makes me think it's more about his ego.
One thing I do want to reply to though:
@63:
“It is ironic, isn't it, that a country that can barely control a colony on its own island aspires to colonize islands in faraway America.”
Not true. The colony was set up by Argentina to attempt to take sovereignty from the UK. When the UK recovered it's islands, the colonists were invited to stay.
This is not about ”control(ing) a colony on its own island”. The Scottish Government wished to ask the citizens of that land what they wish for the future, and is holding a free, fair and legitimate referendum on the subject.
Just as a couple of years ago, The Falkland Islands Government wished to ask the legitimate inhabitants of that land what they wish for the future, and held a free, fair and legitimate referendum on the subject.
I've just seen a tweet linked to an article in 'The Scotsman' (a newspaper) which claims that ISIS wants the Scots to vote for independence and will kill their Scottish hostage to encourage them to do so. Now if we can link ISIS to Ebola and the third gunman on the grassy knoll we will be holding a royal flush.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am amazed that so many people are suddenly posting that they 'see the bigger picture' !
Sep 09th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On this site, on the UK blogs and in the UK media everybody, but everybody claims that they always knew the bigger picture would destroy the United Kingdom. Believe it if you will.
The bigger picture so OBVIOUSLY and self-evidently points up that the only protection for these few tiny nations depends TOTALLY on the coherence of the Union.
... and France needs the coherence of the UK to act as a counter-weight to their ever-increasing political pressures from Germany.
... and the USA needs the coherent UK to offer its point of view on the European Union.
... and the UN needs (should need) the gravitas and centuries of legislative and political acumen,
etc, etc ..
We have a world which is far from perfect, but where the checks and balances evolved in the UK - not England, not Scotland, not all the other 'minnows' - offer both sanity and strength in this crazy globalised world.
We should be concentrating on making the Union better (having had our attention violently concentrated), rather than surrendering to the lure of splitting it asunder and 'going it alone'.
@55 Conquerer. Tell you what you jumped up wanna-be, take a train ride to my home town of Rosyth, where i first signed up at Cale (HMNB Caledonia) and i'll be happy to show you how American i am.
Sep 09th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are nothing, you sit behind your little screen, harping on about war and how tough you are, when the truth is, you have never served, you have never been to any war zone, hell, you probably have only ever visited N.I as a tourist.
I would like to see you try and “kick my balls off, then shove them” where?? lol, physics does escape you doesn't it. However, you do need to actually have testicles, to know where to aim, so you're shit out of luck there. But i am happy to let you try. lets see how manly you are.
You know nothing of service life, which is evident by your lousy rants and angry posts. You have zero controlled aggression, which leads me to believe you have never done P Coy, or the all arms course. If you did serve, it was probably as a cabin boy, or at some commodors paddock.
Prick
9 Days to go,
Sep 09th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0another famous odd quote,
Alex Salmon stated that he would put Scotland first, [ fair enough ]
And the rUK should share with Scotland???????????
quote-unquote
A Scottish government who rightly puts Scotland first
can fully expect the British government to put Britain first
which defeats the first quote in the first place..??
Mr. Cameron a few hours ago:
Sep 10th, 2014 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We desperately want you to stay”
If you love someone, set them free.
“The Prime Minister called on people across England to fly the Saltire flag in a show of unity. However, an attempt to fly the Scottish flag over Downing Street backfired when it fell off the flagpole”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11086060/Stay-with-us-David-Camerons-desperate-plea-to-Scots.html
I am a convinced unionist.
Sep 10th, 2014 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I totally understand the excitement of trying something different;
in our 'austere' times it would be surprising if it were otherwise.
Nationalistic jingoism abounds in Scotland, but I am aghast at the lack of rigour in the argument - the lack of even passing considerations, or understanding, of the micro and macro arguments.
There is ONLY an article of faith that it WILL BE, SOMEHOW, BETTER - it looks to me like a Victorian spasm of religious fervour, or the French Revolution, the Salem Witch Trials, or the Aztec massed human offerings to the Gods.
No, in tough times of austerity people grasp for the hem of the skirt of their saviours - the silver-tongued Salmon saviours.
But it will NOT be better. For the rest of the old UK, as well as Scotland, it will become progressively worse.
London and the South East of England will survive as a rich city-state ... all else will decline towards today's post-arcadian Greek levels (but without the sun).
Wet people in Celtic generations to come will say in wonder,
“Why did they do it; it just doesn't make any sense!”
Some now say, Alex salmon cannot lose either way
Sep 10th, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 01, independent =he gets his wish
2, stay and get home rule=he gets 90% of his wish,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
either way, the fuse is now light,
by trying to bribe them, Westminster has [far to late] turned the rest of the country against them,
if they get it==we want it,
Westminster is not innocent in all this,
and to rub the insults in the already festering wound, they want 10% pay rise, and fxck the rest of us,
perhaps it is Westminster that should be dissolved.
just my opinion..
Personally, happy for it to go either way.
Sep 10th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Problem now is the lack of respect and near hatred building up on both sides of the border.
Alex the Fish has a lot to answer for.
@87
Sep 10th, 2014 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why did you leave the Roman Empire huh? It gave you FAR more than Britannia ever gave Rome. Britain was nothing before Rome, and was far poorer and backwards afterwards.... for 1000 years plus in fact.
History is about change, otherwise there is no history.
As I have always said, no nation has lasted FOREVER.
What has this to do with the roman empire.
Sep 10th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*36 well said lad!!
Sep 10th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101 they should make a song with this internacional famous singer eh eh Justin Bieber or the one who sang you are beautiful you are beautiful, and in chorus sing “stay with us, stay with us, stay with usssssssss”
Sep 10th, 2014 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You argies have a bad attitude .
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