British actress Emma Watson drew hundreds of young fans on Wednesday as she visited Uruguay's Legislative Palace to promote women's participation in politics in her new role as a UN goodwill ambassador. Read full article
Why..?? She comes from Britain the bastion of affirmative action and positive discrimination. Why should be people have to be imposed in congress or a in a workplace because of the gender or race they have?? I think it's completely undemocratic and appalling.
White haired guy, Hey Emma, if you had lived in the Falklands 30-odd years ago even more of our citizens would have volunteered to come and take a shit in your house!
Emma, err, oh-kay....are these guys from mental institutions?
White haired guy, well they are our politicians, so, err...no comment!
I suggest another competition:
how many more dummies think Uruguay had an official military prescence with the cowardly argies who invaded the Falklands?
The answer of course would only be you, I suspect.
The prat and grafter Astori is an Uruguayo minister.
I know it must be difficult, Uruguay, Argentina, they sound the same, don't they????
Another intelligent, educated, talented and wealthy British woman proving to wildly popular in Latin America.
(and CD2 gets all jittery, haha!).
Wonder why he feels so threatened?
I dont understand someone that claim to escape Marxism in Venezuela and embrace it in London unless they taka advantage of the system.
Ignorant twats....Just because Emma Watson is british, rich and apparently educated and intelligent she is promoting communism with the UN.
Not everything that shines is gold.
Brilliant comments of Thomas Sowell on Affirmative action in the 1980s about the implementation of it since 1960s in the US.
I don't anything about internal Uruguayan politics, but I would be amazed if this bill actually becomes law. The quotas they are proposing are completely unrealistic. 14% to 50% would take decades. I would be amazed if they managed to get to 33% in less than a decade.
It's just the UN flying the flag, Emma Watson doing what rich, young, engaged celebs do when they don't have to work for a crust and Harry Potter fans get to see one for their idols. Harmless. No big deal. I don't think Uruguayan politicians are going to be so star struck that they instantly change the way they do business.
15. Since the quotas were implimented in 1991 in Argentina women congress have gone from 6% to 40% from 1995 elections to 2009. Its not too long. And Im not saying that the collapse of Argentina is correlated with the increase of congresswomen in Arg politics but I dont think women have benefited from this in any way nor the country has.
Uruguay already has the quotas implemented during FA gov't .
I couldn't translate your link, but I'll take your word for it. In which case I stand corrected. I'm also surprised. I agree, to some extent, that quotas can be a bad idea, but on the other hand when a significant part of your society believes it needs, or deserves something from it's government the smart thing to do is to at least acknowledge it. Sometimes all they really want is to be heard.
Are you suggesting, in your last sentence, that if a young British jet set rich star is promoting a UN policy in South America then she is beyond criticism? That she is being patronising? There's nothing in this story that suggests to me that that is true.
@17
I think he has his -isms all mixed up. One can be a capitalist and still believe in Equality of Opportunity. Why waste the human resources of half your population? If your society is stuck in the past sometimes it needs a push in the right direction.
Unless you are scared of change, which is then your own fault for ignoring the potential talent of 50% of your people. In that case you can't complain about underdevelopment if you deliberately hold people back.
If that 50% has not had the education or support to handle positions of administration and authority, then society needs to ask why that is.
The very fact that this being debated proves that Emma Watson is doing a good job.
Ilsen: I think the bulk of your post might better be addressed at CD. I think his position might be a bit different than what you believe. I'm not entirely sure I understand his position either.
I agree with the general tenor of your comments but I don't know enough about Uruguayan society or politics or what their gender relations are like to be specific about whether these moves are necessary or not.
On the issue of quotas generally I think it's always a good idea to encourage people - minorities, women - who might have been 'locked out' of public life to participate. I'm wary of quotas though. I understand frustration and impatience, I also understand the dangers of indulging the same. Major changes in societies, especially those that relate to men and women, are best taken sloooowly. Fell free to disagree.
@18
Agreed. Not to worry, I expect he will read it anyway.
I was just contributing to the general debate. I was being indirect as CD2 gets emotionally overheated if addressed directly by the presumed to be lower orders.
However, I am very wary of quotas myself and do not promote them. I believe in merit-based promotion based on equality of opportunity.
If one sector of society has been forced to accept a status quo of starting with less opportunity, then this must be addressed for the benefit of the whole.
I do promote greater participation in politics and business for women. As I would for any under represented sector in society. I think it is a tragedy that many countries and societies are missing out on a huge talent pool simply due to some archaic traditions.
What Im saying is that she being a young British jet set rich star” doesn't mean to say that she isn't promoting communism.
Quotas are just wrong, what she is promoting in reality is that the State should IMPOSE women to be accepted in Parliament and in political parties just because of their gender. Which should be done by free vote. Women voters can pick between 2 candidates one male, the other female, it will be their choice to select the candidate that they feel will better promote their rights or address their issues in parliament. The same happens with the workplace and many other state organs having quotas to recruit minorities.
Please, stop entitlement culture promoted by the State. Its marxism.
We never had in Latam black riots like in the US or in UK or France. Even when slavery was much later abolished in Brazil and other countries than the US. It was because -one of the very few things Latam societies got right- was that they didn't promote this sence of racial entitlement in blacks that is still occurring in the US. Entitlement was promoted yes, but it has far more to do with social economical class warfare than with race.
The same has bing happening with the outbreak of feminism in the last 40 years or so.
As Professor Thomas Sowell also said I had as much opportunity of being a NBA star like Micheal Jordan, its not the opportunity I lacked, but the skills to be one.”
People have different skills, fortitudes and interests. And that is a fact of life.
I know I'm going to regret this but since you've put it out there...
CD doesn't need anyone to defend him, but I suspect a lot of what he says is 'lost in translation'. I disagree with a lot of his opinions but, if even if I disagree with the conclusions, all of his arguments are well-documented and have an internal logic, which is at least worthy of respect.
I disagree with your phrase ...as CD2 gets emotionally overheated if addressed directly by the presumed to be lower orders. That heated exchange you and he had started because, instead of attacking his arguments - or even establishing exactly what they were - you attacked his character. You made it personal. And he isn't Toby. He isn't going to retreat into polysyllabic denunciations of the West. He actually likes a good fight.
Again - feel free to disagree, but if you go back and review that long exchange you guys had I think you'll see there's truth in what I say.
@22
Thanks for your comments.
I think you will find that he repeatedly attacked me and also made many sweeping statements regarding the female population.
I tried to put him right. He got nasty and I may have teased him a little.
He tried being patronising and vaguely threatening. I don't get bullied. I simply won't allow it.
Haha!
I sometimes forget what time it is in Argentina. ........
I agree with your first paragraph, but I think whatever is driving it has to be addressed - one way or another. I know very little about racial politics in Brazil and other Latam nations so I'm not qualified to discuss it. As to riots in the US - it depends which ones you are talking about. If it's the ones in the early '60's I definitely disagree, but that's a discussion for another time.
26.
I mean the most recent ones the Trayvon Martin case and the Ferguson riots this year. America also got stuck with the Crowley vs Gates affair. All these episodes occurred during a black president in office. The US is stuck in racial divisions it has not moved on from that started in the 1960s.
In Latam there never was this huge gap between racial subcultures. We never had that sort of racial clashes.
You cant have a country go over obsessed with race about each time a black or a minority guy is killed by a cop or security agent. The same thing sparked th London riots some years ago.
I agree with some of what you say, but doing justice to the subject would take multiple 2000 character posts and probably exhaust every bodies patience so I'll leave it for the time being.
28. Well I gather that you see my point at least even if you dont agree with many of it.
Its 10:12 am in the morning in Argentina in case you are wondering
I lived in 4 different countries before I was 16 yrs old and was a minority in each. If I went off half-cocked everytime I took exception to something someone said to me...I'd be dead or in jail. Call it self-preservation lol.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesShe could always wave her wand around and make it so.
Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What did she do to be a good-will ambassador? Is she a model in the UK or something?
Sep 18th, 2014 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not much of an actress but a multi millionaire.....so...well done.
Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Female quotas in the Uruguayan congress, brilliant!! British politically correct demcracy and feminazism for export!
Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Emma you are very good looking,
Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But does this UN give you the impression its just to make them look good, considering they do sod all.
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@ 3 Englander & 5 Briton
Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She also has a BA in English Literature from Browns University which she did whilst filming (two semesters off to film).
Good looks, pots of money (see what I did there) and a brain in her head.
Enough to frighten TTT shitless.
6.
Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why..?? She comes from Britain the bastion of affirmative action and positive discrimination. Why should be people have to be imposed in congress or a in a workplace because of the gender or race they have?? I think it's completely undemocratic and appalling.
Fuck this bi_ch and the UN
@ 7 CD2
Sep 18th, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your final sentence is very inviting but I doubt she would let me.
I do agree however that if the woman HAS to be singled out and the men not even interviewed then she loses all credibility.
There are very capable women in business in the west but they make far more money to waste their time in politics.
She's a goodwill ambassador and a role model for women.
Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Considering some of the comments on here it is no wonder that people like her are needed.
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Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Considering some of the comments on here it is no wonder that people like her are needed.
Exactly how is she going to change my mind?? wave the wand ?
then you guys get surprised when I comment on the stuff I dont like of Western the western world but fail to realize that I have a point.
Caption competition...top picture
Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0White haired guy, Hey Emma, if you had lived in the Falklands 30-odd years ago even more of our citizens would have volunteered to come and take a shit in your house!
Emma, err, oh-kay....are these guys from mental institutions?
White haired guy, well they are our politicians, so, err...no comment!
@ 11 screenname
Sep 20th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest another competition:
how many more dummies think Uruguay had an official military prescence with the cowardly argies who invaded the Falklands?
The answer of course would only be you, I suspect.
The prat and grafter Astori is an Uruguayo minister.
I know it must be difficult, Uruguay, Argentina, they sound the same, don't they????
Another intelligent, educated, talented and wealthy British woman proving to wildly popular in Latin America.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(and CD2 gets all jittery, haha!).
Wonder why he feels so threatened?
I dont understand someone that claim to escape Marxism in Venezuela and embrace it in London unless they taka advantage of the system.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant twats....Just because Emma Watson is british, rich and apparently educated and intelligent she is promoting communism with the UN.
Not everything that shines is gold.
Brilliant comments of Thomas Sowell on Affirmative action in the 1980s about the implementation of it since 1960s in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5BMGYkVdX8
@14
Sep 20th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't anything about internal Uruguayan politics, but I would be amazed if this bill actually becomes law. The quotas they are proposing are completely unrealistic. 14% to 50% would take decades. I would be amazed if they managed to get to 33% in less than a decade.
It's just the UN flying the flag, Emma Watson doing what rich, young, engaged celebs do when they don't have to work for a crust and Harry Potter fans get to see one for their idols. Harmless. No big deal. I don't think Uruguayan politicians are going to be so star struck that they instantly change the way they do business.
15. Since the quotas were implimented in 1991 in Argentina women congress have gone from 6% to 40% from 1995 elections to 2009. Its not too long. And Im not saying that the collapse of Argentina is correlated with the increase of congresswomen in Arg politics but I dont think women have benefited from this in any way nor the country has.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay already has the quotas implemented during FA gov't .
http://www.parlamento.gub.uy/parlamenta/descargas/rep_pol_mujeres.pdf
I dont know if she belives in it or not, but my point is this:
How can affirmative action plain undemocratic, marxist and inmoral when a young British jet set rich star is promoting it??
@16
Sep 21st, 2014 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I couldn't translate your link, but I'll take your word for it. In which case I stand corrected. I'm also surprised. I agree, to some extent, that quotas can be a bad idea, but on the other hand when a significant part of your society believes it needs, or deserves something from it's government the smart thing to do is to at least acknowledge it. Sometimes all they really want is to be heard.
Are you suggesting, in your last sentence, that if a young British jet set rich star is promoting a UN policy in South America then she is beyond criticism? That she is being patronising? There's nothing in this story that suggests to me that that is true.
@17
Sep 21st, 2014 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think he has his -isms all mixed up. One can be a capitalist and still believe in Equality of Opportunity. Why waste the human resources of half your population? If your society is stuck in the past sometimes it needs a push in the right direction.
Unless you are scared of change, which is then your own fault for ignoring the potential talent of 50% of your people. In that case you can't complain about underdevelopment if you deliberately hold people back.
If that 50% has not had the education or support to handle positions of administration and authority, then society needs to ask why that is.
The very fact that this being debated proves that Emma Watson is doing a good job.
@18
Sep 21st, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ilsen: I think the bulk of your post might better be addressed at CD. I think his position might be a bit different than what you believe. I'm not entirely sure I understand his position either.
I agree with the general tenor of your comments but I don't know enough about Uruguayan society or politics or what their gender relations are like to be specific about whether these moves are necessary or not.
On the issue of quotas generally I think it's always a good idea to encourage people - minorities, women - who might have been 'locked out' of public life to participate. I'm wary of quotas though. I understand frustration and impatience, I also understand the dangers of indulging the same. Major changes in societies, especially those that relate to men and women, are best taken sloooowly. Fell free to disagree.
@18
Sep 21st, 2014 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. Not to worry, I expect he will read it anyway.
I was just contributing to the general debate. I was being indirect as CD2 gets emotionally overheated if addressed directly by the presumed to be lower orders.
However, I am very wary of quotas myself and do not promote them. I believe in merit-based promotion based on equality of opportunity.
If one sector of society has been forced to accept a status quo of starting with less opportunity, then this must be addressed for the benefit of the whole.
I do promote greater participation in politics and business for women. As I would for any under represented sector in society. I think it is a tragedy that many countries and societies are missing out on a huge talent pool simply due to some archaic traditions.
17.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0What Im saying is that she being a young British jet set rich star” doesn't mean to say that she isn't promoting communism.
Quotas are just wrong, what she is promoting in reality is that the State should IMPOSE women to be accepted in Parliament and in political parties just because of their gender. Which should be done by free vote. Women voters can pick between 2 candidates one male, the other female, it will be their choice to select the candidate that they feel will better promote their rights or address their issues in parliament. The same happens with the workplace and many other state organs having quotas to recruit minorities.
Please, stop entitlement culture promoted by the State. Its marxism.
We never had in Latam black riots like in the US or in UK or France. Even when slavery was much later abolished in Brazil and other countries than the US. It was because -one of the very few things Latam societies got right- was that they didn't promote this sence of racial entitlement in blacks that is still occurring in the US. Entitlement was promoted yes, but it has far more to do with social economical class warfare than with race.
The same has bing happening with the outbreak of feminism in the last 40 years or so.
As Professor Thomas Sowell also said I had as much opportunity of being a NBA star like Micheal Jordan, its not the opportunity I lacked, but the skills to be one.”
People have different skills, fortitudes and interests. And that is a fact of life.
@20
Sep 21st, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know I'm going to regret this but since you've put it out there...
CD doesn't need anyone to defend him, but I suspect a lot of what he says is 'lost in translation'. I disagree with a lot of his opinions but, if even if I disagree with the conclusions, all of his arguments are well-documented and have an internal logic, which is at least worthy of respect.
I disagree with your phrase ...as CD2 gets emotionally overheated if addressed directly by the presumed to be lower orders. That heated exchange you and he had started because, instead of attacking his arguments - or even establishing exactly what they were - you attacked his character. You made it personal. And he isn't Toby. He isn't going to retreat into polysyllabic denunciations of the West. He actually likes a good fight.
Again - feel free to disagree, but if you go back and review that long exchange you guys had I think you'll see there's truth in what I say.
Dear me, so many posts over a third rate actress.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These people make a living pretending to be real people. That's it, that's all they are.
@22
Sep 21st, 2014 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your comments.
I think you will find that he repeatedly attacked me and also made many sweeping statements regarding the female population.
I tried to put him right. He got nasty and I may have teased him a little.
He tried being patronising and vaguely threatening. I don't get bullied. I simply won't allow it.
Haha!
I sometimes forget what time it is in Argentina. ........
23. I think you should read again and more carefully, its not about her. At least for my part.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Sep 21st, 2014 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with your first paragraph, but I think whatever is driving it has to be addressed - one way or another. I know very little about racial politics in Brazil and other Latam nations so I'm not qualified to discuss it. As to riots in the US - it depends which ones you are talking about. If it's the ones in the early '60's I definitely disagree, but that's a discussion for another time.
26.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean the most recent ones the Trayvon Martin case and the Ferguson riots this year. America also got stuck with the Crowley vs Gates affair. All these episodes occurred during a black president in office. The US is stuck in racial divisions it has not moved on from that started in the 1960s.
In Latam there never was this huge gap between racial subcultures. We never had that sort of racial clashes.
You cant have a country go over obsessed with race about each time a black or a minority guy is killed by a cop or security agent. The same thing sparked th London riots some years ago.
@24
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No worries Ilsen.
@27
I agree with some of what you say, but doing justice to the subject would take multiple 2000 character posts and probably exhaust every bodies patience so I'll leave it for the time being.
Can't be bothered.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But carry on, I'm out.
28. Well I gather that you see my point at least even if you dont agree with many of it.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its 10:12 am in the morning in Argentina in case you are wondering
;-)
Life's too short ( and I'm too old ) to get worked up everytime I disagree with someone.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 010:47 pm here in case you were wondering the same...
I know but at least you try and understand what the other guy is trying to say or at least try and see things from another perspective.
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cheers
@32
Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I lived in 4 different countries before I was 16 yrs old and was a minority in each. If I went off half-cocked everytime I took exception to something someone said to me...I'd be dead or in jail. Call it self-preservation lol.
Saludos!
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