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US dollar at new record in Argentina; Kicillof blames 'holdouts' and the US embassy

Thursday, September 18th 2014 - 05:46 UTC
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The informal rate of the US dollar hit a new historic peek on Wednesday in Argentina, breaking the 15 pesos barrier and closing at 15.10 pesos, pushed by rate speculation, and following yesterday’s sharp 25-cents climb. Economy minister Axel Kicillof blamed the 'holdouts' and the US embassy for the latest surge. Read full article

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  • reality check

    You know the answer Axel.

    Print more Peso and build more wheelbarrows.

    Mans a moron!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    The rise in the US Dollar is the work of the vultures and the US Embassy ?

    Are there hydrogen sulfur fumes arising inside the Casa Rosada that everyone s breathing to produce such delusional weak excuses for the financial failures in Argentina today ? “ There are no reasons for the Dollar rise ? ” Really ?

    Did perhaps Mr. Maduro, the corpulent bus driver dream this one up ?

    Axel, with all due respect you are an illiterate ass.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Can someone hand Axel a mirror and tell him it will reveal the cause of the financial collapse.

    This is what happens when you give someone with a little knowledge of economic theory and no real experience, control of an economy. Confidence controls the market and no one has confidence in this government.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Can someone tell me why there are 4 exchange rates? Why do they not stop the “ blue”?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    This man's incompetence has no limits. To experience such foolishness in 2014 is astonishing. Kiciloff is doing the economic equivalent of bloodletting - a practice abandoned in the 18th century.

    @4 There is only one real exchange rate and it is called “Dolar Blue”. The other ones are figments of Kicilloff & Co's imagination - a kin to putting a Ferrari-emblem on your Fiat.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Who benefits from the blue being at ARG$15 ?
    The government .They are the ones selling the dollars , after all .

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    @6 No, the gov't doesn't sell dollars because it doesn't have any left. The gov't might believe it is benefitting from 40%+ inflation but that is perversely short-sighted. The dollar blue is a result of the gov't and its underlings lying through their teeth for more than a decade and, of course, public spending completely out of control.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Business as usual.......blame everyone and anything but the one's in control. The first airline started flight restrictions.....just wait until others follow lead.....then blame AA

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Back in the day there was an ad for Draino that said “once in every week, Draino in every drain”. Maybe its time to put some draino into the sewer that is the government in this country.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    kic-ill shouts: “I have Diarrhoea and have to blame the holdouts for this bloody sh...”

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “Economy minister Axel Kicillof blamed the 'holdouts' and the US embassy for the latest surge.”

    Typical argentina, its always somebody elses fault. By refusing to follow the normal norms and laws governing civilised behaviour, they create their own mess and then try and play the victim and expect the world's sympathy and solidarity.

    I can't believe that they actually expected the US goverment to support them over the holdouts, they must exist in another universe!

    What a pathetic bunch of losers!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Elvis placed in charge of policy for the economic well being of 40 million people - that's no big deal. I've seen a microphone handed to a chimp who was then expected to sing. It's about the same difference. It may be sound, but it's not music.

    Elvis Kissoff, your Gringo Amigos salute you for orchestrating a masterful implosion of the finances of rotting roadkill. Salute!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    @12 It started long before Axel was on the scene. Remember our old buddy Hernan the economy minister?

    Maybe we will hit 15.25 today. Works out good for those of us who make USD :)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Slight little problem they still have, they're still going to pump another $200 Billion pesos into the economy between now and eoy.
    Further driving down the peso and increasing inflation.
    BCRA already has more debt than assets. What do we call that in a civilized society...Bankrupt
    The fact that the “assets” they hold are mainly treasury bonds that they could never collect...well, you get the picture.
    This isn't a secret, everyone knows there's a massive devaluation coming.
    I wonder if we'll see 16 today.
    If so we'll break the 100% mental ceiling between the fantasy and real rate by eom.
    I still wonder what's the panic rate. There's one I just wonder when it will be breached.
    Soon I would think.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    We can all see with this person in the government why Argentina is the leader of the world.

    Ha, ha, ha, etc. :o)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    @14 Hyper inflation works for me :)
    I will take a wheelbarrow full of cash to the dealership and pay off my car I bought last year.

    Remember what happened last time with the big devalution? The blue jumped right up with it after a few days.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    16. The last big devaluation was in 2001 all of these others were just biding time.

    Don't be surprised if they announce another forced peso exchange in tandem with the next devaluation.
    That will cue every Int'l company to leave.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    The anger at foreigners is growing by the minute. No doubt they are fully responsible for anything that happens to them next.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    18. Who cares? All that means is less tourism, less u$ coming in and more Hotels and Restaurants closing so more unemployment.

    We can watch and laugh from afar.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @19

    That's what you said about the Arabs before 2001.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    With international airlines beginning their pullout, no doubt Argentina is well on their way to becoming a fuedelist state. Being as poor as you are tobi, you will be picking soy beans for kirchner. And, there goes you sex change operation.

    yb they give the creditors an amazing amount of credit for being so powerful as to have more control over the peso the their own government. The seem to control the US congress, judiciary, foreign governments....amazing. We should give this fairy tale that the kirchnerites created a name.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    20. Argentinians are too stupid to plan an attack in the USA and way to cowardly to carry one out.

    What are you going to do attack the GM or Ford plant? Thereby making unemployment even worse?

    Our Embassy?

    Come on.

    So again who cares?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @18 yup. Cos it is all our fault. All of those decisions that we've been making for you. It's almost as if HM Treasury is running your economy. No. Your decisions. Your problems. Your recession. Your inflationary spiral. Your worthless currency. Your shit. You accept it. You deal with it.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @22

    You underestimate the anger and hatred of my generation. Your mistake.

    @21

    Why a sex operation change? What kind of stupid remarks are those?

    @23

    It is in the sense your countries have always worked to bring us down. Whether you had any effect or not, or whether it was all our fault, is irrelevant. Is the thought that counts.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Aureliano

    *Yawns*
    Classic peronista. Always putting the blame on someone else for their own incompetence.

    This argument is getting really old.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24 I can see you are angry at the world. The rest of your generation? Not so much. Once things tip into complete chaos they will take their anger out on CFK and her band of thieves.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brit Bob

    It's never the fault of Argentinean politicians. Laughable.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    @24 You bring yourself down. You are too insignificant for us to bother with

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @26

    YOU are a whole entire language, 20 countries, and at least 3 generations REMOVED from my language, my country, and my generation.

    To pretend that you know more about it than me simply is icing on the cake on the sophomoric Pedant you have become.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Why bother replying to the Pagotroll (paid Kampora troll).

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    13. Yes he had help, but you can't discount the fine effort that Elvis contributed to this train wreck that I refer to as the economy of rotting roadkill.

    Elvis, your Gringo Amigos salute you once again for your fine contribution. Salute.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @28

    That's the irony of it all. So insignificant, yet you have the entire developed world suing us at the WTO. Shows how truly desperate the 1st world is to export their poverty since 2007 away.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    That's not trying to bring you down. Try not to be quite so pathetic

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Why would you sue someone that is so insignificant t your bottom line? If a beggar steals 30 cents from your hand, do you denounce him just as if he had reached for your wallet with $2000?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Elaine it may tip into chaos sooner than later. With summer arriving and the wonderful Argentine heat, those antiquated power plants and sub stations will be bursting at the seams.
    AA was smart to start flight restrictions rather than getting into a situation like in Venezuela, the forerunner for Argentina. The outlying areas really have been somewhat untouched as they are fairly poor areas anyway so to them there is little difference. Now that Buenos Aires city is feeling it with store closings and bare shelves, it will filter to those outlying areas. When they have less and less food, maybe it's time for an Argie Spring.
    Any one spot the kirchnerites with their suitcases of U$ on Florida Street? I think not because the blue is holding steady, they must be having a planning session at Casa Rosada.
    Just until the next interest payment comes and goes.......17/1 and 20/1 by year end. The Chin is getting a woody over this not doubt......little feet and all.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    No, no, no, it is not the extremely erratic and stupid Argentine economics policy - it's somebody else's fault and a concerted attack on one of the most ... what am I saying!?! on The Most Important Country In The World.

    Signed by me, Kicillof .... er, can I have anosser bosle of whisky, pleache?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @34
    Stealing is stealing , no matter how much.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @37

    Hahaha, you are a heartless anglo bastard. Not surprised though when have the English or Anglo culture every shown a compassionate side, ever. Why do you think you have the reputation in Latin America as having the blood of reptile?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 24 Idiot child Tobias who blabbers “You underestimate the anger and hatred of my generation. Your mistake.”

    Show me. I am in Mendoza right now.

    Nothing but the usual friendly people, including those with a physical age of 22 and a mental age of 6 years, like Tobias.

    No anger and no hatred. Idiot child Tobias, get out in the streets and stir some anger and hatred; the young mendocinos will laugh and ridicule you - unless you can offer them a working visa to Europe or the US, something they will grab with both hands.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    HAHAHAHAHA. Yes I'm sure you are. So tell me how are the trees right now?

    Quick Respond!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Now BA is reducing flights too. BCRA owes the Airlines U$600MM.
    Looks like they're going to be trapped in that sh*thole pretty quickly and bye bye tourists.
    Massive hotel and restaurant closings and layoffs shortly.

    I told ya this would be worse than 2001
    When will you learn to listen?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @41

    91% of all restaurant business is local.

    You are the most ridiculous poster in the history of the internet, and a complete fool. Suggesting restaurants are going to close because of tourism. HAHAHAHAHAHA!

    And there is no airline called BA.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @38 Calm down. Your fear and desperation are taking over. Or maybe you need to eat. Screaming at everyone is not going to help your situation.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @43

    Could you please stop stocking me? I”m talking to other retards here, you aren't the only one.

    http://www.flayme.com/stalker/

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    “I would say by the end of the year, or the beginning of next year — that's the most they can have in terms of margin,” said Dr. Claudio Loser, a former International Monetary Fund economist and founding member of Centennial Group Latin America.

    “Maybe sooner.”

    What he means is that this isn't even close to over, especially since economists believe that another currency devaluation is on the way, given the country's economic malaise.

    This is going to get worse before it gets better.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/argentinas-black-market-dollar-hits-record-high-2014-9

    It's funny how I write something then a few days later it shows up in the news.
    I want credit.
    :)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    BTW 39, FAIL! 20 minutes to describe the trees for me in Mendoza?

    Just like Elaine, you got caught in a lie.

    @45

    Wonder when he will be caught telling the truth.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @46 You say stay away from me and then start talking about me.

    I'll ignore the first request. You could always just piss off.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @18. Hey ho, who cares. There are places in the south of Planet Earth I'd like to visit. But I'd never set foot in South America. One more tourist and his money lost. Just imagine, someone with 690,000 pesos won't come near your 'country'.
    @20. Wonder how many people won't go near countries that have arabs in them? I might go to Israel. Israel has the right idea of how to treat arabs.
    @24. The anger and hatred of your generation? That's a joke, right? Remember that 74-day conflict in 1982? It wasn't 74 days. It was 54 days. From the SAS landings on South Georgia on 21 April to the argie surrender on 14 June. Did you not send your 'finest'? Maybe you sent your targets. Quite a good tally. Seen it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Recapture_of_South_Georgia_and_the_attack_on_Santa_Fe
    Be honest. You couldn't fight your way through wet tissue paper.
    @29. “a whole entire language, 20 countries, and at least 3 generations REMOVED from my language, my country, and my generation”
    What a relief. For a moment I was afraid you were going to claim some sort of connection. Let's get it accurate. “a whole entire language”. That's correct. The language is English. The language of the world's intelligent. You missed out religion. The religion of paedophiles and murderers. I make the British Empire covering 190 countries. Where do you get 20 from? How do 'generations' count? Have you tried comparing a Brit with an argie? Argies are congenitally stupid. You want proof? Go back and read your contributions. Britain has 2.5% inflation. And argieland has.....? More growth. Stable economy and currency. And argieland has.......? And you think your 'country' is wonderful?
    Here's some TRUTH. You have nothing because you are nothing. A nothing with a chip on its shoulder and the sun in its eyes.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Can somebody with half a brain please elucidate in general terms that making a reference of someone IS NOT stacking. (If so, then what about all the Maximo Kirchner references here by certain posters... now that is one ugly sexual image in my mind).

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Can someone explain to me what stocking or stacking is?

    I was being polite talking directly to meltdown TTT but since he doesn't like it I shall talk about him to @39. Last time I was in Mendoza I gave TTT an opportunity to prove he lived there as the Mendoza he describes is far from the reality other people here have experienced. Obviously, I didn't want to meet him and I am damned sure he didn't want to meet me, though next time I shall be able to spot his enormous feet. I suggested leaving a message at the hotel when I left and he would have the opportunity to confirm his situation to the people that doubted him. At the time there was considerable doubt from a number of people, though given his panic now I think he is in Mendoza. Not surprisingly he disappeared off line just before I arrived in Mendoza and did not return until after I had left.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    The trees in Mendoza are budding.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @50

    What “Mendoza” I have described? You mean the one with all those fake, doctored pictures?

    http://foro.univision.com/t5/Practicando-en-los-Foros/MDZ/td-p/443362424

    You flatter me. I must be the most talented picture manipulator on Earth.

    ALL editing / publishing / filming companies the world over and all spying organizations take note! I am here for the taking. All those pictures are FAKES of Mendoza.

    Matchless talent!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    50. You just want to rob him of his virginity. You pirate!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @5o

    Why would a proper British woman want to meet an uneducated, mentally ill male stranger from a slum in dangerous 3rd world country?

    Well, I guess we all have our sexual turn-ons.

    Here is the complete catalog of the doctored pictures of Mendoza

    http://foro.univision.com/t5/Practicando-en-los-Foros/MDZ/td-p/445445405

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @53 LOL!

    @54 “an uneducated, mentally ill male stranger from a slum in dangerous 3rd world country” You are too hard on yourself.

    Try reading my post again. I said I would NOT want to meet you. Twat.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Idiot Child Tobias, you are really doing your best to prove that you are an Idiot Child whenyou write “20 minutes to describe the trees for me in Mendoza?”.

    You are not seriously suggesting, that I should be sitting here in Mendoza waiting for you to write some crap, are you?

    Idiot Child, it's siesta untill about 17:30.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    If I keep addressing you people here will start to think that you like me. So I will do it for you and put you on ignore for 48 hours. Starting NOW.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    My first virtual GF was a female pirate and called Elaine. The Curse of Monkey Island 1997... times

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    I really doubt that the usual trolls of this 4th class site have been to Mendoza.
    And, if that were true, it is understandable that they don't like it so much.
    Probably they cannot afford a decent hotel, or skiing in Las Leñas, or paying for a wine tour, etc.
    What can the islanders know about good wines anyway?
    Or about skiing?
    Nothing for sure.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    I don't think its snows in the Falklands, so I don't think they know what skis are.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 57 Idiot Child Tobias wrote: “put you on ignore for 48 hours.”

    What better answer than this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6huxZN3-cvA&t=28m41s

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    The 15 pesos / dollar is a physocological barrier.... The question now is what will th BCRA do now...Super Mega Lebac??

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Idiot Child Tobias' “put you on ignore for 48 hours” lasted from 04:29 pm to 04:32 pm - some very short 48 hours.

    Idiot Child Tobias, after the siesta I am going to buy a couple of kilos of lomo in Mercado Central. On my way I shall make a note of a couple of the streets which are being repaired. I shall among them name a couple which are not being repaired, for you to point out. The we shall see if you are in Mendoza.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “What can the islanders know about good wines anyway?
    Or about skiing?
    Nothing for sure.”

    Do you assume everyone is as poor as most RG's and cannot afford to travel like you and the tranny?

    tobi the tranny....your 48 hours expired rather quickly?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @61

    That was in reference to Elaine.

    If you go to the Mercado Central, be sure to pass by the ICEI about four blocks away. Thank them for my towering noetic prowess.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @58 Tomorrow is International Talk Like A Pirate Day.

    “Avast me hearties and prepare to be boarded”

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    I find it hilarious that you Anglos as so f--- arrogant that you demand that the locals PROVE they live where they live, but you the foreigners don't have to prove you are there

    It is astonishing how sickeningly lordly these people are. An extension of their cultural Pleonexia.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    Ola Nr. 60-

    A fellow member here on MercosurPress previously left this link to the South Georgia Island webcam. You might find it of use.

    At the moment there is a fair amount of snow on the ground.

    http://www.sgisland.gs/index.php/%28h%29South_Georgia_Webcam2?useskin=

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    South Georgia is in what part of the Falkland Islands?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 65 Idiot Child Tobias “That was in reference to Elaine.”

    It quite clearly was not: “If I keep addressing you people”. Are you refering to Elaine as “you people”?

    You are such an Idiot Child.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Ok, you benighted moron. Let me correct my egregious error:

    “If I keep addressing you, people here will start to think that you like me. So I will do it for you and put you on ignore for 48 hours. Starting NOW.”

    I missed an optional comma after “you”. Satisfied?

    I'm warning you, (comma), you better make sure your English is immaculate from this moment on, or I will pillory you for every minute grammatical and syntactical infraction and faux pas.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Apart from blaming the vulture funds and the US Gov, par for the course, you don’t say what you are actually going to DO about it, Mr Sillyoff.

    As the five point plan, does seem to be working.

    Or is this just your way of admitting that things are indeed going to rat shit.

    @24 4n control
    Dummies out of prams, rattles go flying, nappies need changing.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Idiot Child Tobias, it is neither a grammatical nor a syntactical error, if the meaning is completely distorted. Why are you such an Idiot Child? Fell on your head from a great height onto the dirt floor or perhaps a rock when you were a nene?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    About those trolls/stalkers :

    ”Share The Laughter - However unnerving a stalker may be, if you look at them coldly in the light of day, they are pretty ridiculous. Some are Nothing But Ridiculous (example - Spiro). Savour that; turn it around, let them - and the world - see how ridiculous they are. Every time you mock them, you gain, and they lose. Share The Laughter.”

    Thanks for the link, but I think I already know the drill. ;)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @73

    You are a Troll. You are on ignore too. For 12 hours.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    Idiot Child Tobias,

    about four blocks away from Mercado Central covers 16 square blocks or more.

    Never having needed massive psychiatric assistance I have no idea what ICEI is.

    I am staying in the house in la Quinta Sección entre Civit and Roca, 3½ blocks from Portones, that I sold almost 3 years ago, and which I am now renting for a few months.

    BTW: Everything is just fine in Mendoza:

    En agosto se registró la mayor caída del año en ventas minoristas: 10%
    (In Mendoza retail sales dropped 10% in August)
    http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-agosto-se-registro-la-mayor-caida-del-ano-en-ventas-minoristas-10

    Agosto fue “el peor mes” en cinco año para las ventas minoristas
    (August was the worst month in 5 years for retail sales in Mendoza )
    http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-agosto-se-registro-la-mayor-caida-del-ano-en-ventas-minoristas-10

    2014.09.11: Golpean y asaltan a dos familias en Guaymallén y Maipú
    (2 families attacked and beaten)
    http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-agosto-se-registro-la-mayor-caida-del-ano-en-ventas-minoristas-10

    UNCuyo: 34% aprueba sólo 1 materia
    (In the Cuyo University in Mendoza 34% of the students pass only one exam a year)
    http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-agosto-se-registro-la-mayor-caida-del-ano-en-ventas-minoristas-10

    In #75, Idiot Child Tobias declares he will ignore me for 12 hours: http://www.losandes.com.ar/article/en-agosto-se-registro-la-mayor-caida-del-ano-en-ventas-minoristas-10

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    You shouldn't give your address online, much less to an argie who could tip his chorro buddies. Lucky for you, I believe in honor and decency, and not in stealing or scaring people with crime. And don't worry I have now made a point of avoiding the area for the rest of the year. The closest I would get to you is a forced visit to an Aristides lounge, but since I have not doubled-down on my ascetic goals, that is also unlikely.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    It is now also American Airlines fault.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/El-Gobierno-acuso-a-bancos-y-a-American-Airlines-de-alentar-la-incertidumbre-cambiaria-20140918-0073.html

    They can also blame the 40 foreign companies that have left Argentina since 2010 .

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/El-Gobierno-acuso-a-bancos-y-a-American-Airlines-de-alentar-la-incertidumbre-cambiaria-20140918-0073.html

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    In #75, Idiot Child Tobias promised he would ignore me for 12 hours. It lasted from 05:24 pm to 05:41 pm

    12 hours in only 17 minutes, a clear indication of Idiot Child Tobias's ADHD, the hyperactivity desease.

    If you lived in Mendoza, you would have known that the “address” is quite a large area, and that there are 4 guards in the vicinity plus the two police cruisers in Civit, because this is La Quinta Sección.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @79

    I decided when to start the 12 hour ignore. Unlike with Elaine, I didn't say “starting NOW”, yet. Another fail for your reading comprehension.

    Oh, you live in the Quinta, what am I supposed to do, genuflect?

    hahahaha

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 80 Idiot Child Tobias, who wrote:

    “Oh, you live in the Quinta”

    If you lived in Mendoza, you would have known that “entre Civit and Roca, 3½ blocks from Portones” is in la Quinta, even though you were unable to understand it when I wrote “I am staying in the house in la Quinta Sección” - really too difficult for a three-cell Tobias brain.

    Now 14:58, time for my siesta nap.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    Yeah right, siesta. You work in a 3rd rate booth selling gaudy Bangladeshi electronics at a Feria Persa in General Paz, and take your lunch breaks at the Mercado Central. You are kidding no one.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I love being ignored.

    “You shouldn't give your address online, much less to an argie who could tip his chorro buddies. Lucky for you, I believe in honor and decency, and not in stealing or scaring people with crime.”

    What a damning statement to make about Argentines.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    “...selling gaudy Bangladeshi electronics ...”

    That tells me more about your local economy more than any newspaper article. ;)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @84

    Then knowing that, you should now feel right at home strolling the General Paz between the Alameda and Mitre Boulevard.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #55 Elaine,

    Your comment to @54 regarding his confession that he's ”an uneducated, mentally ill male stranger from a slum in dangerous 3rd world country” is not quite accurate as I think he should had honestly said he actually was...
    ... an ignorant pathological lying psychopath that suffers from ridiculous delusions of grandeur and is a lying la Cámpora transsexual probably from the Mendoza San Martin barrio in a country that defies description. But then, maybe I'm being a bit hard on the actual residents of San Martin.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Smeagol, I am so impressed. You are batting 1,000. Absolutely consistent in every post. How do you do this? I would think it virtually impossible to be wrong every single time!

    Your Gringo Amigos salute you!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @82
    As this article is about the US$ crisis in Argentina, could you please explain why Argentina requires 4 exchange rates, isn't one enough?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    @88

    I don't know because I don't need any exchange rate at all.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    As he is the official “ Pagotroll” getting his stipend from La Campora in pesos stolen from the rest of us taxpayers.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @88
    If you recall, that's what Kickitoff said he was going to do, although If I remember correctly he was proposing 5 rates. Here's a picture of him when he was trying to explain it. I thought at the time he looked like he was saying that as prices go up, the quality of life will go down... ;)
    http://www.fyo.com/tags/kicillof-crecimiento

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @89
    Pobrecita there,there dear

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @90
    I've been forced to come to that conclusion as well. ;)

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @88

    There are actually more than 4 exchange rates.

    http://www.dolarblue.net/

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @94
    But why?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 4n conTroll

    12 hour ignore for Doggy rap STARTING NOW.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @96 LOL!

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    This is by far the funniest of posts the tobi the tranny ever posted! I feel like I am reading MAD magazine from my teens. Maybe it's time to start referring to TTT as Alfred. My....this is really a classic tobi meltdown.......exposing his immaturity.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @98 He does seem to be at the peak of a manic cycle.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Maybe he abruptly stopped his SSRI's. I feel for those physically around him. He might be a serious menace at people feet.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Now the head of Argentina's Airline company says American Airline's action to limit the damage in the ongoing drop in monetary value of the peso is “suspicious.” He's correct, if he means AA is suspicious of the government's willingness to try to solve the problem. However I think the government will see to it that AA pulls out of Argentina in toto. ;)
    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/170077/recalde-says-aas-sales-restriction-suspicious

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    nR. 60.

    You are joking right, amigo ?

    South Georgia is a dependency of the disputed Falklands Islands which Britain claimed in 1833.

    On 19 March, 1982, an Argentine flag was hoisted on South Georgia Island, which precipitated the conflict.

    On April 2, 1982, Argentine forces landed in the Falklands,(South Georgia ) capturing the islands two days later. This invasion force was led by Captain Alfredo Astiz, a veteran of the Dirty War, whose extradition was requested by France for human rights violations.

    The invasion force announced to the Argentine party in Leith that Argentina had taken over the Falklands. In response, the British dispatched a naval and amphibious task force to the area. The initial phases of the conflict occurred mainly at sea between elements of the Royal Navy and the Argentine Air Force. On May 21, British troops landed and by June 14 had compelled the Argentine occupiers to surrender.

    Of all people Astiz was chosen. One could say that the Falklands War was started by a known war criminal, guilty of crimes against humanity. “ The Blond Angel of Death. ” Similar to a modern day Torquemada. or Mengele.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    @ 83 ElaineB

    “What a damning statement to make about Argentines.”

    About Idiot Child Tobias' friends, perhaps, but during the last 4 to 5 years there hasn't been a burglery or a mugging in La Quinta Sección in Mendoza; they are rare in 1ro, 2da, 3ra and 4 Ouste too, but in the Villa Miseria (“Favela”) where the Tub was born they are quite common - the poor robbing the poor.

    @ 82 Idiot Child Tobias.
    If you were living in Menoza, you would know, that even if I were selling 3rd rate stuff at a Feria Persa in General Paz or from a stall in one of the side streets, I would still have a 4 hour siesta, and time to sleep in a dry acequia - but how, then, do you explain my internet access? you have a computer in your padded cell, but me, at a stall or in a feria?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think most SSRI meds ( and just about anything new or worthwhile) is imported to Argentina. So there's probably a lot of folks that have to either give up the meds or the pharmacy has stopped stocking them altogether.

    There might be a lot of crazies coming out soon.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    “Judges on a federal appeals panel in New York say they suspect Argentina has gone rogue, ignoring court orders and bullying a U.S. bank to try to prevent it from obeying a court order.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/federal-appeals-judge-argentinas-bullying-bank-25603300

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ernest shackleton

    A clue to what may be going on in the Pink Palace. In a group photo of Argentine “government” ministers the black widow was looking in a certain admiring way at tie-less side-burned ever-so-cool Elvis, the centre of attention so to speak. Not suggesting anything untoward is going on, but hehe, Cristina must be lonely since hubby did a runner with the dosh, er died. What does señor think, think?

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    98 Poppy

    “What, me worry???””

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Check this video out folks!
    http://vimeo.com/106139567

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @102 Olá seu Botinho !
    “You are joking right, amigo ?”
    Unfortunately the 4nTroll isn't .....I' ve been reading all the posts - including those of this demented Troll - and realize it is absolutely useless trying to engage in serious conversation with him. Besides his absurd claims, and his ridiculous outbursts, he sees himself as an English scholar, trying to sound erudite by using words that no normal person would.
    Despite his claims that he studies 24 hours a day, does not like women - too bad, and has disproportionate feet, his opinions are mostly nonsense and irrelevant.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @38
    And how much has Argentina contributed to internation disasters around the world? You are very narrow mindend Sir.

    Sep 18th, 2014 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    38 Nostrils

    As you can see from this link, the first animal cruelty law was from Ireland in 1635.

    After that, the pioneers in Animal Rights were the French, US, and UK, in the early 1800's, forming the ASPCA and RSPCA Societies to protect animals and educate the public.

    Today,
    Argentina has no Animal Cruelty laws, although CFK has been petitioned numerous times.

    Argentina is by contrast to the first world states of NA and EU,callous and cruel to animals

    Check out the routine cruelty of the BA zoo, in this video:

    Animal rights

    Animal rights

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights

    Animal Abuse in Argentina

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights

    No animal Protection laws in Argentina

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    @ 4controll

    I just want to ask you. In your opinion, does Argentina's Economy Minister, Kicillof, have any responsibility for your country's economic problems, or is it all just the rest of the world trying to bring Argentina down?

    Do you have any criticism for Kicillof at all?

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    http://en.mercopress.com/2014/09/18/us-dollar-at-new-record-in-argentina-kicillof-blames-holdouts-and-the-us-embassy#comment352286

    @ 100 Captain Poppy

    “I feel for those physically around him. He might be a serious menace ...”

    Don't worry. In Idiot Child Tobias' padded cell nobody else is around.

    An article in Buenos Aires Herald: “Kicillof: No economic reason why dollar should be at 15 pesos” - the Kicilloco chap has gone completely Tobias.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @108

    Klingon, I have seen their “Un Mensaje Mas” video. Apparently she was trying to get it removed from the internet. Glad to see not only is it still there, but there's more. ;)
    http://vimeo.com/48851220?from=outro-local

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Doggy Rap

    I am about to change my mind about Idiot Child Tobias being in Mendoza or not.

    I took a stroll up Av. San Martín, the main street, and I think we met.

    Tobias was wearing a T-shirt with “I hate everyone”, and she is rather fat.

    RotFL GRaDfC

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lirtson T. Saibot

    Argentina obviously bears a great deal of responsibility. On the other hand, there is a history of hedge fund managers calling for a certain outcome, and then speculating on countries and currencies to literally make it a self-fulfilling event.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    What is the outcome they are calling for?

    What countries and currencies are they speculating on?

    I'm not following what you're saying.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Then clearly, the current crisis was predestined, since the Peronists have met their match in cupidity. Laissez les bons temps roulez. ;)

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Lirtson T. Saibot

    @117

    For example the Pound Sterling being withdrawn from the EU currency mechanism in 1992, after speculation forced the government to devalue the currency. It was mainly a hedge-fund office crisis, not a real crisis. That is just one example of several in which financial crises where incubated in theoretical realms of university graduates and not due to fundamental economic parameters.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @117
    You speak about the current government's ally, George Soros. In this case however you have to take into account the activities described here.

    http://www.newyorkfestivals.com/winners/2014/pieces.php?iid=466089&pid=1

    As you will see, Singer is merely providing balance, if anything. ;)

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @115 “Tobias was wearing a T-shirt with “I hate everyone”, and she is rather fat.”

    That would explain so much. The 'female cousin's' big feet. The pizza for breakfast story……..

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @121
    Pizza for breakfast? Ouch. ;)

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jay Bee

    ...and the Union continues.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #108 & #114

    Gentlemen, the Rockadictos have given me a better understanding of the personal and human tender side of Cristina. She has emotions just like the rest of us and I was touched about the special relationship shown that she has especially with the Pope and Obama. Thanks for the video links.

    #115

    No wonder why she-he-whatever doesn't like Argentinian women and has been complaining about lack of larger clothing sizes for women in stores.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I can see her getting off on a BBC and destroying her people......which to her means she is richer.

    I am really disappointed the Pope is seeing her and discussing politics. He should keep his not apolitical and into where it needs attentions....fixing his church.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    vimeo.com/48851220?from=outro-local

    Captain, I'm an admirer of his Holiness and I'm committing a sin by re-posting imoyaro's link, but frankly he does not like Cristina and has repeatedly made it clear.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    They blame everyone for the rise of the blue dollar but then you get Capitanich telling us that the blue dollar does not reflect what is happening with the Argentinian economy.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Capitanich-La-confianza-de-un-pais-no-se-mide-por-el-dolar-blue-20140919-0071.html

    Then you get the following, raids on the the the blue market.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Capitanich-La-confianza-de-un-pais-no-se-mide-por-el-dolar-blue-20140919-0071.html

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @126 Chicureo,
    “...but frankly he does not like Cristina and has repeatedly made it clear.”

    Right on Chicureo. It's a well known fact that when he was a Cardinal, he and CFK did not get on too well... I'm not 100% sure, but would think it's because he refused to endorse her crazy policies.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #126 I admire him as well and I do not consider myself a religious man, hence my disappointment. I am hoping that the RG papers are blowing this visit out of proportion and he is putting her in her place.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    As for the visit to the guy in white, there are probably no priests senior enough in Argentina to hear that kind of confession.

    Well Alex, so there is no reason why the dollar rate is over 15 pesos. Here is a clue for you the rate has reached 15 Pesos because people want dollars and no one with dollars is willing to sell them for less than 15 pesos. Could this be a possible reason for the rate?

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    RICO you're talking supply and demand, basic macro economic.....something foreign to Alex. Afterall......what would the Economic Minister in Argentina know about economics. Obviously by their economy.....nothing.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    I sold some dollars today for 15 ( just enough to pay the bills).

    The court has thrown out Argentinas case, so expect it to jump again next week

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    If you think that some individual Argentines are lacking USA Dollars? ..think again... Our malls in Chile are full of Argentine shoppers. They did not seem to be worried about import duties. How? Bribery...

    One friend of mine works at a high end kitchen appliance store in Las Condes. Two Argentine customers showed up and bought two refrigerators, two dish washers, ovens, stove tops, even German pots and pans. They paid in cash and the next day a truck with Argentine plates was loaded with the purchases.

    Below is an article on the phenomena:
    http://www.clarin.com/edicion-impresa/gente-viaja-busca-precios-marcas_0_1214878532.html

    #128. Jack Bauer

    Yes, you can google his public criticism of her positions on social issues, but more importantly, he was extreemly critical of her administration's corruption and misuse of public funds that could have been used instead to help the poor.

    Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @133
    You could say that about the Catholic church prior to the new pope, has anything changed ? Are the poor less poor?

    Sep 20th, 2014 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #134.

    Certainly no richer, but the have a more humble leader.

    Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    @133 Chicureo
    While in Chile beginning last year - to visit some wineries - we stayed at the Best Western Premier Marina Las Condes....very nice. Did most of our eating at the Parque Arauco, and also visited an old friend who lives in Vitacura, who took us to dine at the “Mestiço”....Enjoyed every bit of the visit to Chile and will be going back.

    Sep 20th, 2014 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Jack,
    The Mestizo Restaurant is a great place to gather on a summer's evening and knock back a couple of Pisco Sours. Good food, fabulous ambience and your friend obviously treated you well.
    I live about 12 minutes away via a freeway that goes through 4 tunnels to Chicureo, where I live.
    I've consistently noted the growth of Brazilian tourists at the mall as well as to out ski resorts, like Valle Nevado.

    Sep 21st, 2014 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    22/09/15 17.41 BST : Blue still at 15.....

    Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bubba

    Using the time tested Phillip Morris “Marlboro Rule” the actual exchange rate should be about 17 ARS to the USD . The price of a pack of smokes in local currency.. without sin taxes added.

    Sep 24th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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