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BBC predicts 54% to 46% win for the NO vote against independence
Scotland will vote to stay in the United Kingdom after rejecting independence, the BBC has predicted. With 26 out of the country's 32 council areas having declared after Thursday's vote, the “No” side has a 54% of the vote, with the “Yes” campaign on 46%. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesInteresting the poorest and most Socialist areas voted to leave, whilst those who have something to lose voted to stay.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politics of envy, prepared to risk other people's money.
This result may turn out far more dangerous than predicted.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear now that not just Scotland, but other areas of the UK, especially Northern Ireland, and interestingly Northern England, are stirring and intimating that any and all “devolved” powers given to Scotland post-referendum, must also be accorded to them (and Wales).
At the end of the day, what is at the heart of this is budget and taxation powers.
But if London does drastically give up budget and taxation powers and gives it to no less than 3, possibly 4 entities, you are in effect creating a Euro-zone' style situation, where there is a currency union, but four different governments making up a budget.
As we have seen, that has worked disastrously in continental Europe.
It has also worked very poorly in the USA and Argentina, where the central government has had to “bail-out” the provinces or states repeatedly because they fall into debt. In the USA, the entire country in on the hook for California.
In Argentina it is a step further: unlike in the USA, provinces are not required to balance their budgets, which is why they chronically fall into debt, that must then be covered by the federal government.
It is proven that currency unions with no unified budget control is medium and long term deleterious. So why would the UK be considering it is baffling.
The only conclusion is London has promised many such things out of political expediency for today, but not for sound governance in the future.
So Scotland stays British just like the Falkland Islanders.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time for Salmond to fall on his sword and resign I would say.
“£ surges in Asian markets” - BBC
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0One of the happiest days of my life - as a very proud British citizen we remain the UNITED KINGDOM! HURRAH!
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lirtson T. Saibot - really?
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tobias T Nostril?
As is usual, you fail to understand how some federations can work. Australian states are sovereign and can issue their own debt and their own laws cover the bond issues and deficits. Sovereign means they are equal to other nation-states in international law.
“But if London does drastically give up budget and taxation powers and gives it to no less than 3, possibly 4 entities, you are in effect creating a Euro-zone' style situation, where there is a currency union, but four different governments making up a budget.”
Again, Australian states have budget and taxation powers and it is still more than a currency union. Considering how much our system is based on the Westminster system, I would expect any future UK constitutional arrangements to look more to Australia than the US or Argentina.
Yay!!!
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did Salmon say the question has been settled for a lifetime?
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Waiting for the Queen's letter to be read.
The Constitution is an unwritten one, allowing a lot of elbow room, but the expectations of the high “Yes” vote may still be wanting concessions (or Rights)to what amounts to their failed ambitions for complete independence, against the No vote, that some may think that it will be “ business as usual”.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0What may assist in the Process of change throughout the United Kingdom is the fact that Devolution had already been on the Parliamentary table for detailed discussions nearly 14 years ago, so a Draft will be made in the coming months.
The Scottish result has done good for all interested in the democratic process in this United Kingdom. It was bound to happen sooner or later, and it so happens that it occurred in my lifetime, which for me (a “No” observer) was quite an event. Especially since I have Scots and Irish and Welsh and English relatives. It's Great I tell you, to have the Buzz of Democracy and Vive la Difference!
Catalunya Lliure!
Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Viva Patagonia!
Come on guys, your turn now ;)
@2 TTT
Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK have more pressing concerns to attend to... like the existence of the UK beyond the next 48 hours.”
@2. Just wait. As WE say, the devil is in the detail. I warned against this backdoor 'devo max'. But English MPs and the English people will not stand for it. For instance, taxation is a matter for Parliament, not the government. Parliament could make it impossible for Cameron, Clegg and Milliband to keep that 'pledge'. And there might be some caveats. Way back, various businesses were required to make certain facilities available, free of charge, to government officials. And if the UK government said that Scotland had to pay for all UK civil servants based in Scotland? Or British air and naval forces will not go north of the Anglo-Scottish border unless their 'expenses' have been paid by the Scottish 'government'?
Sep 19th, 2014 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@8. As I recall, part of the Edinburgh Agreement was that there would be no more independence referendums in Scotland for 50 years.
I stayed up and watched the referendum live mostly to see the look on the nationalists faces turn sour, but alas the cameras concentrated on the celebrating unionists.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0A very interesting question was raised that the majority nationalists were made up of catholic voters, not sure if that was true but what was for sure is that the nationalist camp was predominantly made up of a methadone swigging toothless underclass who's only answer throughout the referendum was to bully, threaten and intimidate people in order to try and achieve their goal.
So fat Salmond hid away throughout the night spoiling my pleasure of seeing that smug wattle smile wiped off his face.
The English will now, finally, ensure that we see our agenda on the table and our man to do that is Nigel Farage who I am supporting fully to look after the English and push forward English rights in our new and federal constitution.
So we now get to sit back and enjoy what happens in Spain, France and Flanders and we can confidently support the carve up and collapse of the EU safe in the knowledge that our union will stay together forever.
Come on Marcos and the rest- still crying in Mummy Kristina,s arms are we? You were all so cocksure of the demise and breakup of GB - and thus getting it off the UN Security Council,s veto Vote power.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does this mean that Argentina will not accept the result of this referendum as it was Brits voting to stay British.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to know how this is different from the Falklands, please enlighten us.
I am off to hug a scot...
W ales
Sep 19th, 2014 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland
Scotland
England
very wise indeed,
and the losers the argies and the rest of the British hating twits who wanted to see the split, well,, you lost again.
Again and again you lose, because your brain washed,
you never learn and you never will.
An interesting view from Catalonia:
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.helpcatalonia.cat/2014/09/yes-to-democracy-yes-to-union-best.html?spref=fb
Just heard on the BBC news, French jets bombing in Iraq,
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0American are doing the same, Germany France Australia has or are sending troops ,
And what of our wise monkeys , will we or wont we
indecision indecision's...
I wonder where “Think” is today...? Come on out “Think”, your 24 month wet dream over an independent Scotland is alas, over! The idea that perhaps Argentina could pursued an independent Scotland to “support” it's claim will need to be crossed out and a return to the drawing board needed for your next new stunt.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0HAW HAW HAW!
@18
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be fair, our government has had a few other things on it's plate, I'm sure we will play a full part and destroying that scum.
Lets hope so,
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0notice how quiet the argie trolls this fine morning.
I was interested to hear various Scots talking last night. One eloquent woman summed up her decision by saying “I am a fiercely proud Scot and we are stronger united”. Too true
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0*13 IT IS NOT OVER UNTIL THE FAT LADY SINGS...AND BELIEVE ME!! SHE HASN´T!! hOLD ON!! CAUSE YOU ARE IN FOR A ROUGH RIDE.........
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let´s see if Cameron can deliver what he promised????????!!!!!!!!!
*16 Do not add salt to the wound of the Nationalists!! you would not want another IRA North of the border..let sleeping dogs lay.
I honestly hope this has set us on the path to a federal United Kingdom. Although I'm loathe to bring in another tier of government I believe the most elegant solution to our constitutional situation is that Westminster reverts to being an English parliament we found a new federal UK senate which largely looks after foreign policy, defence, and some agencies (e.g. scientific research funding).
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In such a case do any of the Islanders on here think it would make sense for the Falklands (and the rest of the BoTs and even the Crown Dependencies) to join as an equal partner in such an enterprise? In such a case we could undoubtedly rid ourselves of the decolonisation committee.
of course,the result of referandum does not reflect the the reality
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0could be interpredated this is a make up vote result.
i know huge majority of Scots want the independence
i know the Brits have only RBS afraid.
keep on going to independence war....!
@24. I like these ideas. I think there should be an all party mission now to study different federal governments, starting with Australia perhaps to see if we can find a system that works. We can't let disgruntlement from dissapointed nationalist voters set in. The Scots have given us a great opportunity here to make a real positive change that everybody can sign up to. We need to pick the ball up and run with it now, this isn't a time for gloating, thus I think is a time to do something positive. .......................... Sorry. I think that sounds like a political speech but never mind.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have done surveys in Patagonia over independence. Actually one was done three weeks ago.
28% yes 44% no
So I'm afraid you won't be getting your wish at least on the South American leg, in fact there is so little traction within Argentina for independence movements that there aren't even political parties that exist supporting it anywhere. And in Argentina there is a political party formed for virtually everything, so that is a telling sign of the low priority of this issue.
Catalonia is a much more hopeful affair for you.
#23 argiedarkness
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a hateful, thoroughly unpleasant little pratt you are!
@ 25 - McClick
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not, not a made up vote at all. A huge majority of Scots wished to remain part of the UK hence, Scotland voting to remain part of the UK...
Therefore, the vote DOES reflect reality. What doesn't is your comment.
Hey, I got up at 3am in Geneva to check on the voting results.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the 16 year old voters did not change the expected results.
Should have stayed in bed.
The knives are out to get Ceasar!! only a few hours after the referendum results
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and Boris wants revenge......
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uk news//Scottish-independent/11108429/Boris-Johnson-David-Camerons-pledge-to-Scotland-is-reckless.
will Cameron deliver what he promised to Scotland or will Northern Ireland and Walse want a piece of the same cake?? and will the backbenchers keep on supporting Cameron? a house divided against itself cannot stand.
@31 You seem distressed about the result.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this is an exciting development for the UK. More devolution to create greater powers to each individual country over matters directly affecting them is positive. It has certainly rattled Farage. This is exactly what his core voters want. Plus we are still a Union working together.
Stock market and pound up which is good news for the whole union.
29
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reality is the key word here....as you are trying to converse with a Bot....@25
....Artificial Intelligence....don't expect an answer....
....saying that....an apt description for at least half of the forum....
33 - Oh that's fine. I'm not looking for any answers but I have been looking forward to this day simply just to get “Thinks” input upon realising his hopes and dreams were wrong all along. He just wouldn't be told. I remember trying to point out to him that at the time, that not one poll had but YES in the lead but he insisted on getting over excited at the though of a dis-united Kingdom.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on out “Think”. Today is already going so well. It's such a great day for so many. Come on out “Think” and make it even better!
*32 On the contrary¨as a posted on Monday: when Friday morning comes it will be like Thursday morning- I do not believe in a minority ruling a majority. A referendum should be given to the whole of the country not only those who want to break away from it. What these referendums do is divide the nation more than it was before besides the results and create bitterness. moreover, itputs a wet blanket over all those other nationalist in Europe. I do not believe in giving a minority so many advantages with so many useless referendums.I would not drive my car through Scotland with a Union Flag sticker on my windscreen.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 035
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I would not drive my car through Scotland with a Union Flag sticker on my windscreen.”
Why not...? I drive with an English flag air freshener dangling from my rearview mirror....
Why do I do this.....because I got a whole box of them for free.....
@35 aussiesunshinee
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to forget all the Union Jack flags being waved at the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow.
I did not see any flags burning like in Argentina.
I'm loving this.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aussiesunshinee - is desperately trying to turn a win into a loss. Anything to forget that the largest current movement for independence in Europe is in Catalonia. And the United Kingdom can do something hing that Spain is too scared to do.
Nostrils - finally reset again and graced us with a new name for the occassion. It won't last and he'll resort to form shortly.
Think - never lived to see his beloved Scotland stab him in the back.
(24)
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A federal setup might well evolute... it certainly seems an, ultimately, logical direction; an umbrella for the British Isles and their cooperative governance. But that's way off in the future.
If you look at the areas which voted yes they are the headbangers of Glasgow and Dundee (an oil town with many Scots from Glasgow working there).
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rest of Scotland voted no.
Despite Salmond saying it will be a generation before a next attempt will be made at independence he is already saying ‘that’s it for now’.
Who can blame them not wanting to let go of the tit that is provided by Westminster? It is a FACT that under the scheme that Joel Barnett devised to compensate the Scots for the difficulties of living in Scotland each man woman and child get £1,600 of English, Welsh and NI taxation receipts. Things have changed so much for the Scots (motorway access south and within Scotland itself and national supermarket chains) that Barnett himself is saying the formula is outdated and should be scrapped as it penalises the English taxpayer.
The Telegraph reported that the Trinity of Camoron and the other nonentities also agreed a £9.00 per week increase in the pension for the Scots only, many of whom in Glasgow and elsewhere on the dole and subsidies have never contributed payments in their life. The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010 was allowed to go and cry tears whist offering promises not sanctioned by Parliament and Camoron is living up to his nick every minute of the day.
I for one am very disappointed with the result, they should have voted to piss off and leave us be. Remember, although I live in Uruguay I pay taxes to both the UK and UYU, far more in the UK than these spongers have ever done in their lives, AND I did it from a very poor background.
The answer is called working at your life for all of your life; the Scots should try it sometime.
*37 and you didn´t see the union flag being burnt last night in Glasgow??!!
Sep 19th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well it will be very common from today onwards...
www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/refrendum/article4211236.ece
*38 relax old fella!! You ´re getting over excited!! relax now!!
Tough luck to all the Brit-haters who are sickened by this result. But that's democracy for you, and that's the UK for you. Brew anyone?
Sep 19th, 2014 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond quits.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the fact is that almost half of the population of scotland wants to be independent.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0next step: a reunited ireland for 2016.
The fact is they live in a real democracy and democracy has spoken, the scots aren't whinging about the result
Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just you!
@44
Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it is less than half - 44%
@44 Paul
Sep 19th, 2014 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Happy to disappoint you on that one as well. I refer you to the Belfast Telegraph's LucidTalk polls in 2012. Only 7% of the people of Northern Ireland want a United Ireland now, rising to 32% who would like it in 20 years time. So come back to me in 30 years time and we'll see where we are.
Ding Dong Salmonds Gone......hahahahahahahaa
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wrecks the country, splits it in two...fails to deliver and fucks off.....what a turd...
What the UK did making this decision was brave in anyone's book, many countries around the world would allow their countries to descend into civil war before they took the brave and democratic decision that the UK did.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There will always be the usual brit haters on here but I reckon many countries around the world will be pretty impressed with the UK and the fact we won out in the end. They will now be considering their own positions very carefully and wondering if they have the balls to do it themselves.
Salmond's resignation speech was a disgrace. Hardly is the “ink dry” on the referendum, and when stock still is being taken, his emphasis was already on his apparent assumption that the offers made by the Westminster politicians were unlikely to be genuine.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This man is a scoundrel - he “gerrymandered” the electorate and he lied continuously throughout his campaign. For example he told us that he had had positive conversations with officials of the Spanish, the French, the Belgian and the Italian governments concerning the membership of an independent Scotland in the EU - official spokesmen of each of these countries denied these alleged conversations ever took place.
Good riddance!
So it seems perfectly simple...we should follow the Irish approach.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite clearly the West of Scotland and Highlands were broadly in favour of Independence, whilst the East coast and Shetland/Orkney Islands were strongly against.
As Alex Salmond has already begun the process of ripping the country in two, I suggest the democratic will of the Scots be taken to conclusion.
Independence for the West, Union with the East and Islands.
Now, where was all that Oil???
I am surprised Salmond's ego allowed him to quit but as more and more of his lies are exposed in the coming weeks it would have happened sooner or later. So much for sticking around to negotiate the new powers.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51. The highlands and the western isles both voted no.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 029
Sep 19th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you really believe this result.. no .!
did you count the votes one by one ?..no..!
i am not English but i know a family who has a problem with an English
soldier and England from by 1910' s years where his data is sleeping at Army archives in London .
@52 Elaine
Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He had little choice
VOTERS in First Minister Alex Salmond’s own constituency of Aberdeenshire resoundingly rejected Scottish independence.
Voters in With a turnout of 87.2%, there were 108,606 votes cast for No (60.3%) compared with 71,337 for Yes (39.6%).
Rajoy's first thing to do this morning was to congratulate the Scots and thank them for remaining in the UK and therefore “With us in the European Union”... He seems even more delighted and secure than Cameron's address to Scotland...
Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But somehow I dont see how will this quell the Catalans until they get a chance and a right to choose.
Will Madrid just let things pass and hope for the Catalans to forget the whole thing or wait for economical recovery and give them a referendum too??
Just a thought
@ 54 McClick
Sep 19th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you suggesting that the vote result is false or has been falsified? The count was handled by Scottish public employees and even Alex Salmon has accepted the result.
Another troll with no brains!
Our referendum is over,
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yours will come in time.
@54
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0McFuck, you're full of BS, shut up !
Argentine immortal's, loyal to the end
Sep 19th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All jump together .
separatism seed is planted.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Violence in Glasgow as loyalists attack pro-independence supporters
Sep 19th, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some young men shout loyalist slogans and racist abuse and appear to make Nazi salutes, as well as chanting Rule Britannia”
these loyalists...
bunch of fascists
The loyalists won.
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now its time for Catalonia to have its right to decide its future
Flower of Scotland, brave Ireland brave
Sep 19th, 2014 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*63 Do you have a degree in international law?? To tell Spain what to do or not do..
Sep 20th, 2014 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0moron!!
This is a good result for the UK and for freedom loving people who support democratic process all over the world. Once again the UK has demonstrated its commitment to genuine democratic principles and the idea of ‘a fair go’.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Australia if the winning side in a general election secured 55% of the primary vote, it would be regarded as a massive landslide. The fact that Mr Salmond has decided to resign as a result of his loss in the referendum shows that he thinks the same about the decisiveness of the result.
For all you argentine - supporting trolls on this site, who were hoping to see the UK break up, well: -suck it up, suck it up gauchos! There is no comfort for you from the referendum result, quite the opposite. Best take your hatred and go home, have a good cry, because that’s all the comfort you are going to get.
I know the words of Oh Flower of Sxotland.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I learned from the jocks serving with me,
“ in the British Armed Forces.”
65
Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0assholeshinee
As Cameron said early this morning at No 10 they could have well blocked the Scottish referendum in 2011 when th SNP came to power in Scotland but choose not to do so.
Madrid simply doesn't.
Give credit where credit is due... Its not a matter of legality its a matter of good faith and democracy
these imbeciles who compare the case of scotland with catalunya clearly do not understand that the independence of catalunya is unconstitutional.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.larazon.es/detalle_normal/noticias/3717498/la-independencia-de-cataluna-es-radicalmente#.Ttt1HemfsI3FEQL
they must be the same assholes who want a 3rd term for kirchner, in spite of being unconstitutional
Actually the independence of Catalonia isn't unconstitutional.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like London, Madrid could call a referendum within Catalonia.
Unlike London, Madrid is too scared and undemocratic to do it.
Is NABO the correct insult at this stage?
#69
Sep 20th, 2014 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not very clever are you. Prior to the Edinburgh Agreement Scotland couldn't legally attain independence, even through a decisive referendum. The government of the UK GAVE Scotland the right to self determination, unlike Spain, Argentina, etc. etc. who deny it their own people and others.
bla! bla! bla! bla! bunch of assholes who probably don´t even know where catalonia is situated!! LOL . Go back to school!! nitwits
Sep 20th, 2014 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@62 Paul
Sep 20th, 2014 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“these loyalists...bunch of fascists”
The SNP won an election with independence in their manifesto. As a result the UK government granted the referendum which has just been held. The people of Scotland voted No on a massive turnout. That is the settled will of the people of Scotland for a generation. That is the opposite of fascism. Most democracies will be secretly impressed with the UK and wonder whether they would have done the same. Freedom is not free and we could have collectively paid a heavy economic price if we'd divided but we didn't and thus emerge stronger than before. I listened to the final announcement of the result and was pretty choked up. I'm no Nationalist but was very proud of my country yesterday. I wonder if you can better understand now why the Falkland Islanders feel they can trust us?
#72
Sep 20th, 2014 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“bla! bla! bla! bla! bunch of assholes who probably don´t even know where catalonia is situated!! LOL . Go back to school!! nitwits”
Hahaha... what a pathetic child you are.
The UK has demonstrated once again a commitment to the principle of self-determination, even at the risk to its existence.
It's no surprise that the Spanish government doesn't want to allow Catalonia (located in the North East of the Iberian Peninsula and home to the best city in Spain) self-determination because if they did they'd have to drop their pathetic claim to Gibraltar.
69.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0And who cares about what the spick interior minister says???
The only difference between Catalonia and Scotland as far as I can understand is a 1990s movie called Braveheart, the Catalans just need an extra help from Hollywood. And that the English are not as miserable as the spaniards. Or as broken as the Spaniards.
Actually I enjoyed my time in Barcelona.
Sep 20th, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps some here do not accept the result,
Sep 20th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0or even agree with the result,
well,
its happened, the result is the result,
move on guys move on, the rest of the world is slipping.
lol
@62 Paul,
Sep 20th, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Some young men shout loyalist slogans and racist abuse and appear to make Nazi salutes, as well as chanting Rule Britannia”...
Paul, ”some“ young men hardly represents the majority that voted NO for secession.....and ”appeared to be making Nazi salutes“ is not very conclusive......while I'm not sure who they were directing the alleged insults to, I would say it was to the immigrants who have no real clue what the UK is all about, and who probably live off the dole....expecting that by voting YES would entitle them to something more, for doing even less.... I hardly think that a bunch of recent arrival immigrants have the right to tell people who have been in their own country for generations, they need to change....if they don't like it, they can always go back to where they came from. And the question that never ceases to pop up, ” why did they leave their countries of origin in the first place, if they were so perfect ” ??
@64 Malvinense
Are you trying to compete with 4N troll, Aussieassholee and the Brasileiro for the 1st Prize in Stupidity ?? You're doing quite well...
# 73 Redrow “Freedom is not free and we could have collectively paid a heavy economic price if we'd divided but we didn't and thus emerge stronger than before. I listened to the final announcement of the result and was pretty choked up. I'm no Nationalist but was very proud of my country yesterday.”
Sep 20th, 2014 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well said!
My mother served in the Royal Air Force during the Battle of Britain, she was stationed on a fighter base in the South of England and the events of those times took a terrible toll on her emotionally. We understand that 'freedom is not free', but it's worth laying everything on the line for. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
BRITISH===end of,
Sep 21st, 2014 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0as for argie brainwashed , soddy offy .
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Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paul your comment will be gone and you need to get a job.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is this even on mercopress? I thought mercopress was about south america?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do look forward to a mercopress article after the three wise men air their Christmas special. Can't wait.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-ordered-not-cause-4301141
did I miss something ?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul showing his lack of class and education.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So just the usual.
@81 Paul
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see your comments were removed.....before I got a chance to see them... by any chance did you refer to my # 78 ??
...I'll just take a moment to clear up the confusion in George Square...was talking to people that were there....
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0....the nazis salutes were the Unionists taking the piss out of the Nationalists...
The No supporters crowd was also full of Orangemen....
I might have to explain a little more to those that don't know Glasgow...the divisions in the crowds were predominantly Catholic/Protestant....Protestants...(Unionists)
Catholic (Nationalists)
...but that's Glasgow for you...it never changes...Rangers/Celtic by any other name..
@83
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, me too. I'm surprised they even let them into the country.
@87
The next match promises to be a doozy.
US Air strikes in Syria, on ISIS
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