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Salmond claims Scottish voters now realize they were 'tricked' by London politicians
Alex Salmond, the defeated leader of Scotland's nationalists accused Prime Minister David Cameron and other London politicians of tricking Scottish voters out of independence by making a false “vow” about granting them new powers. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNo they don't. It's only been 3 days.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now go away.
This fat odious little man is a liar with a “chip on his shoulder” and bitter that his fellow countrymen didn't believe his lies.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if they'd voted Yes, Salmond wouldn't have gone independent for 18 months. So whether this takes 4 months or 6 months is surely besides the point.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond lost the referendum, is still getting much of what he really wanted anyway, and yet still manages to display no grace whatsoever. What a statesman.
Salmond, and this is the man that said in defeat, that he would accept and help negociations in devolving more power. Unforetuneatly he is not the only one as he speaks for a political party the Scottish Nationalist Party. The timetable for more devolved powers is very tight and may not be adherred to but IT WILL HAPPEN soon after. It was Gordon Brown that gave the timetable and we know what he was like when running ( ruining ) this great country of ours.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond, you quit. Go and play golf.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Naïve and SourGrapes Salmond!
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was he that thick that he did not think and grasp that the English people have for some years been getting pissed off with Scots and Welsh politicians telling them how to run and voting on English affairs when the English cannot vote on Scottish or Welsh affairs!
The English are not antis Scots - just that they ask for the same treatment! And Cameron can see the logic it that and intends to introduce it at the same time as giving extra powers to the Scots. Simple and Democratic.
No need to waste billions and add yet another tier of beaurocracy by creating a separate English parliament - just use the existing building- Westminster and devise a system of either English MPs only voting on English affairs - or set say 2 days a week for English Affairs and the other 3 for National UK British affairs.
Gordon Brown is a man of honour and trust whatever one thinks of him as the last PM - hence many in Scotland believe what he says will happen - and it would be pretty shamefull for the Labour Party under Milliband if they now try and renage on the obvious because their non English MPs still want to interfere in English affairs!
Edifying spectacle of a typical Scot who is clearly changing his mind about going.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cake and eat it?
Alex Salmond says No voters were 'tricked'
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The First Minister goes back on his promise to accept the referendum result and raises the prospect of Scotland unilaterally declaring independence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11111705/Alex-Salmond-says-No-voters-were-tricked.html
The First Minister appeared to blame elderly Scots, who were most hostile to leaving the UK, for holding back younger generations and argued that independence is inevitable after they die off.
Jim Sillars, his former mentor and a former SNP deputy leader, tweeted that the nationalists should “assert” a new rule that Scotland would become independent
First Minister argued the break-up of Britain is inevitable they could well declare UDI.
Some now say=
His words are fundamentally undemocratic and an insult to the people of Scotland. Salmond may regret the result but this reaction is dangerous and wrong
• Last week Alex Salmond struck a blow against Free Speech and Freedom of the press by banning those who wronged him from his resignation speech.
This week he rejects democracy
The true face of nationalism is beginning to show its ugly face. If Salmond & Co had their way, they would lead the nation straight into a civil war. What other conclusion can we draw from his unchallenged statements that things now lie in the hands of the Scottish people? Nothing more than a veiled threat of civil disobedience which would undoubtedly lead to civil war. Be afraid of this tyrant. Be very afraid
traitor. or what.
Salmonsd, your an idiot, a lot of yes voters are not going to like you going against the will of the vote, especially those who thought long and hard about it before voting that way. Make no mistake, a lot of people gave it a lot of thought!
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have just shown them how you would have run an independent Scotland, by dictate and not by democracy.
Some might even think they have had a lucky escape!
Shame, about the result, you would have loved to have been president for life.
If he can ignore the result, then our stupid politicians can withdraw their promise of more power.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this man alone could tear Scotland apart, but he does not care,
its up to the Scottish yes voters to either disown him, or back him and tear the people apart.
Political amateur Cameron made a mistake in attempting to bribe the Scots at last minute and it's not very clear if NO won because of the promise of more devolved power to Edinburgh or it was just the silent majority and low turn out in Glasgow. Now the pledge is enough for Salmond to hang on too as an excuse and remain a nuisance.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 51% YES- 49%NO came from a Rupert Murdoch Sunday paper who has some unfinished business with Cameron for News of the world scandal. I gather No other poll ever gave YES a lead.
Kim Jock Eck showing his real colours?
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its the yes voters that have been lied to by salmon,
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the rest of us will carry the can.
@11 Yes, to pretty much everything you say. The bonus for Cameron is he took a major issue from the hands of Farage.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Scots had a lucky escape from Salmond. He lost and should feck off.
75% a low turn out.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you kidding?
One has too assume that the 25% who did not vote in Glasgow, would have voted Yes and even then, the actual numbers would not have effected the eventual result.
When it comes to the Holyrood Elections? before making such statements, Salmond should have reflected on the fact that he lost “28” of the 32 voting districts. If he now threatens that a Holyrood mandate could be used for a unilateral deceleration, he creates a further incentive for the electorate NOT to vote for SNP.
Not very clever Mr Salmond, I predict your political opponents will make a big deal about your comments come that election and that your candidates will suffer for it at the ballot box.
It is fair enough to accuse politicians of attempting to trick the electorate during a campaign, but to claim afterwards that the voters were actually tricked is to insult the voters. That's the greater number of the people of Scotland he is implying are gullible fools - Nice.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@CD
Strictly speaking ICM also had 1 rogue, on-line poll but no-one believed it, as 4 other polls said the opposite on the very same day. But yes, THAT You Gov poll changed everything. While the timing was indeed suspicious and I believe some of the weightings had only just changed, overall You Gov are pretty reliable, indeed their final poll gave No 52% which was why Murdoch bottled it the night before and kept the Scottish Sun neutral when Salmond had thought it would call for Yes (Murdoch only backs winners). Then You Gov were the only company to do a follow-up poll to check which way their panel had actually voted and they called it 54% for No which was almost exactly spot on. I love conspiracy theories but there really was a modest surge to Yes around that date and You Gov just showed it more sharply than other pollsters where Yes were already polling higher. My understanding is that Salmond showed Murdoch internal polling suggesting they were on 55% and thus that Murdoch should support them. In contrast, No were convinced that they really were on 56% which was almost exactly right in the end. Therefore how honest Salmond was being with Murdoch will be one for the Historians to sort out. As for the extra powers, they were/are needed as much to prevent a future referendum as to win the first one.
One thing that became clear from the referendum was that the SNP considered their previous wins as support for independence, when in reality, they were seen as an alternative to Labour or Conservative.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If he now ties in the SNP vote to independence, which he seems to be doing, those voters are going to go back to the other parties, most likely Labour. Always assuming that Milliband does not also screw it up, by creating barriers to maintain his numbers at Westminster.
14. While Cameron cant answer immigration question and the EU referendum I dont see him stoping Farage.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 015. Well every one had the eyes on Glasgow half a MM ppl in a country of 5 MM is imporrtant and the rest of the west Lowlands region. Maybe Salmond felt betrayed too by Aberdeenshire and Aberdeen itself which was his own political district that birtht him politically.
He planed in making a speech in Aberdeen as the election night went along and had to cancel it.
Sad fat little man who got binned off by his own people, some people just don't know when they have outstayed their welcome.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sick to death of Scottish whining “we want” “we want”. Kiss my arse!
True, Salmond has made the mistake of thinking that previous votes for SNP were votes for Independence and it turned out not to be so. He lost the referendum in seats that they hold.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps he should now consider renaming them the Scottish Independence Party, that would probably give him a truer mandate.
The voter would get what it says on the packet.
As for a Euro referendum, If it comes, people will do just as much hard searching as the Scottish did.
There's nothing like the harsh reality of life to influence the outcome of referendum, I think given the honest alternative, the majority of the UK would vote to remain in the EU. I think Cameron thinks it too.
16. Rupert Murdoch seems pretty pro independence and “too close to call” on the eve of the referendum when he was interviewed by his own Fox News employee Neil Cavuto.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPqsfl4-4OU
”It is the people who were persuaded to vote NO (in the referendum) who were misled, who were gulled, who were tricked effectively,“ Salmond told BBC TV. ”They are the ones who are really angry”.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Salmond has gone beserk ....who's he trying to fool ? he is the 'angry' one.....just a sour puss, now that he's been demoralized and lost his cozy job......will have to work now, for a living...
Jog on Slamo!
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You lost the vote, now you are losing the plot.
The turn-out was huge by any0nes standards.
The people have spoken. Many people on both 'sides' are urging unity an acceptance.
Not you.
Jog on, slimo Salmo. Jog on.
Poor old 'King' Alex didn't get his throne, so as to deflect blame, he reckons it was the opposition what did it. Maybe it could have actually been Devo Max. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_fiscal_autonomy_for_Scotland
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been on the cards for a while, it was just waiting for this referendum result to be passed into the statute.
@ 14 ElaineB
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The bonus for Cameron is he took a major issue from the hands of Farage.”
Except the one that matters: getting out of the EU.
Let’s see how he mishandles that one.
That man could be the next Argie President. What a plonka.
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“”“”“He said he would disclose what the Yes campaign should have done differently in a book, titled ‘A Hundred Days’, which he said would be coming out before Christmas.”“”“”“”“””
Sep 22nd, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh lookie, hes got a book and needs some publicity...
Its not over till the fat man sings,
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0he reckons that if the SNP win the next election and voted back into office,
this will be the mandate to either independence or UDI.
Apparently the glorious EU masters are waiting for him with open arms, a man after their very own heart,
you will keep on voting until we get the result we want...
“Salmond claims Scottish voters now realize they were 'tricked' by London politicians”
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual...Scotland will be an independent country.
Change of government against the will of the people.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't that a coup?
@30
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 06:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0He even signed the Edinburgh Agreement which was the Order in Council that made the Referendum legal. It required that the referendum “deliver a fair test and decisive expression of the views of people in Scotland and a result that everyone will respect”. If a repeat referendum or even UDI is now under consideration then he is in breach of the agreement he signed just two years ago.
Whether all of the “45” as they are known will stick together on this or if there are sufficient numbers of democrats within the 45 to be appalled and now vote against the SNP we will have to see. Either way no-one's going to invest in Scotland for the next few years. Maybe Sturgeon will calm this all down but as she didn't attend the reconciliation service either then i don't hold out too much hope. But then this is how Nationalism always ends up.
So glad to see Marcos Alejandro has come around and supports self determination by referendum.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Surely the government should really get confirmation from Mr salmon and the SNP before the royal navy gives them the contract for the type 26 ships.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0no disrespect but we don't want a situation of militant SNP supporters holding the POW Hostage do we ??
“Salmond claims Scottish voters now realize they were 'tricked' by London politicians”
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of course. well said alex.
what can you expect from london politicians anyway?
the same as you expect from all MPs honesty and truthfulness,
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whenever you get it or not is another thing.
and Argentina like others are no better.
Nice to see paul-carrion supports the concept of self-determination. However, as a typical Argentine he will only accept an outcome that suits his brainwashed mind.
Sep 23rd, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sad. But explains why Argentina is still a century apart from the modern world.
Paulie. Stockpiling non perishable foodstuffs is important.
do it now!
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they always revert to picking on the defenceless , the innocent and the unarmed,
Sep 24th, 2014 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0they wouldn't know self determination if it bit em on the arse...lol
read and learn, brainwashed islets dwellers:
Sep 24th, 2014 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scottish referendum result undoubtedly rigged
http://www.sott.net/article/286057-Scottish-referendum-result-undoubtedly-rigged
@38 yes as an argentine you would say that. Just like Cristinas 54% victory in your last election. What's her popularity now or are those figures rigged by Indec also?
Sep 24th, 2014 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0@38 paulcedron
Sep 24th, 2014 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0read and learn
http://www.thepresleyassignment.com/
Who in their right mind would want to live in a society that refuses to accept a legitimate referendum, in favour of a controlled vote, or big brother ,
Sep 24th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0a system whereas the only result that will be accepted is the result we want and not what the people want,
reminds me of the EU verses rep of Ireland.
“Support for Welsh independence plummets”
Sep 24th, 2014 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopes the Welsh nationalists might enjoy a bounce in the wake of the Scottish referendum vote have been dashed with a poll showing support for Welsh independence at just 3 per cent, its lowest recorded level.
The survey by ICM for BBC Wales found 3 per cent wanted independence, down 2 points from 5 per cent in March.”
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8ed069b8-43be-11e4-8abd-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3EE8eVUdZ
They wish to remain with us,
Sep 24th, 2014 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0sounds good to me.
The United Kingdom still stands proud and intact.
Sep 25th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much to the disappointment of many trolls here.
Bwahahahahahah a!
Agreed.
Sep 26th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Commenting for this story is now closed.
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