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Obama and Cameron condemn brutal murder of British captive Alan Henning
President Barack Obama condemned on Friday the “brutal” murder of British captive Alan Henning on Friday, saying the United States would bring those responsible to justice. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Standing together with a broad coalition of allies and partners, we will continue taking decisive action to degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL,”
Oct 04th, 2014 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is this coalition ?? I mean common more than nominal vocal support...
It's your fault Cameron. US-UK relations is like a “friends with benefits” arrangement. And you know who the female is in the equation..
“”“Who is this coalition ?? I mean common more than nominal vocal support...
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0”“”
Argentina and “the rest of the world” when discussing the Falklands....
Well CD the 1st British hostage was murdered before the British decided to get involved. In fact it was as a direct result of the 1st murder that the British Parliament voted to bomb IS.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and your reference to “friends with benefits” is completely incorrect. Remember when the US wanted to bomb Syria last year? They were all up for it. The British Parliament voted against it, and so the US didn't bomb Syria because they British wouldn't back them.
It seems that the US requires British help from time to time, just as the British requires the help of the US from time to time. That's what it means by being allies.
As for this second murder, it isn't going to change the British publics determination to have them hunted down like the animals they are. In fact it will make them British more determined to do it, and may even open the avenue to having British troops on the ground.
I doubt IS is brave enough to fight someone who is more than willing to fight back. Like all cowards they'll run away and turn to terrorist tactics because they aren't man enough to stand toe to toe with their enemies.
2. But Argentina is not at war with the Falklands. Its completely different when you say “coalition” and Arab backing when in fact its only a US-UK coalition putting the money.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 03.
But you forget that Britain already had chosen to provide the Kurdish forces fighting IS. The fact that UK pull out of it last year was due to the fact that Cameron didn't have his votes in Parliament well counted and he made a miss calculation. Thats all there is to it.
You dont have the capacity to hunt them down, nor it will happen. In time people will just get fed up whith the campaign as always and nothing will improve in Iraq
@4 What would you do? Ignore it? Or go in now with the support of the people of the UK.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is effectively waging a cold war against the Falklands. You know it.
IS ?? yes, I have said so many times like it or not they are a legitamate Sunni expression. Their interests are regional, they care far more about what happens in Damascus or Baghdad than what happens in New York.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've seing this play out before and I know how it ends.
We do not have the capacity. Is that why they hide their faces? because we do not have the capacity, because they can murder without fear of consequences?
Oct 04th, 2014 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember the Iraqi beheadings? Where are the killers now?
This murderer is a dead man walking, if we don't get him the yanks will and he knows it.
I dont see Abu Bakr al Baghdadi hide his face. In fact I watched the famous 60 min lenght video of the IS for educational purposes and very few actually have their faces and heads covered.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The US is only going to contain IS. They know and understand that IS is a result of Iranian and Malki sectarian promoted policies.
You cant afford to go to Iraq now. The US can because they dont have Muslim problems at home that you do.
I like the “friends with benefits” analogy- Your government is just behaving like a low self esteem girl giving herself away to the US and getting nothing in return and nor any real counter commitment.
What Muslim problem do we have here?
Oct 04th, 2014 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Muslim extremism isn't solely a UK problem it's a world problem. Young disaffected Muslims are joining ISIS and other jihadist ranks from Australia, Canada, New Zealand, US, France, UK, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Russia and elsewhere.
Their-numbers in the main, are in proportion to the number of Muslim minorities that have settled in those respective countries.
Alan HENNING was delivering Ambulances and medical aid to Syria, with British Muslim friends from his area of the UK, he had done it before. He did not seem to have problems with them, nor they with him.
I like your sexualised cliche about the US/UK relations, I have only heard it a couple of thousand times.
British input in ISIS fighters is even bigger than the French one which is an even higher islamification process than the UK is.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think, Its still a good analogy no matter how many times its being used.
The UK government has announced further action both at home and abroad.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to see more involvement from Saudi Arabia and less input from Argentines.
Just clear something up on here. Part of what the US wanted to do in Syria last year was to arm rebels of the Assad government and the British Parliament said catagorically NO.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank god we didn't go along with that idea at the time because we would have given these lunatics our own weapons, more than they managed to take from the fleeing and cowardly Iraqi army.
We will force ISIL out of Iraq and back into Syria. There they will have civil war between themselves and the Assad government. When those two have destroyed each other, we can then clean up the remaining mess.
@12
Oct 04th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most sensible comment on this topic in a long time.
12. If you are adressing me the answer is earlier.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The fact that UK pull out of it last year was due to the fact that Cameron didn't have his votes in Parliament well counted and he made a miss calculation. Thats all there is to it. ”
Then the Boss of Russia gave a lesson on geopolitics to amateur Obama. The US didnt stop because of the UK Parliament said no. The US failed its red line because of the Boss of Russia.... Amazing how folk here forgett it and run along too bite the same bate time after time.
IS is a legitamete sunni expression both in Syria and Iraq. Its folk support ISIS. You would need to give t much power to the Kurds in order to expell them from Iraq and it will get messy and bloody and most likely they would not achieve this goal. Turkey is much more comfortable with Sunni extremism than with a progressive and moderate independent Kurdistan right next to its border.
You dont have the capacity to destroy the IS, just contain it. But more radicals will spring up at home, more excusses clerics will have to promote their agenda , more filmed beheadings, money will be gone down the drain and nothing will change for the better on the ground.
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Oct 04th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cd2 Beheading innocent aid workers is a legitimate expression of the Sunni faith?
Oct 04th, 2014 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wow!
I knew the meds are in short supply in Argentina, but I didn't know the scarcity levels had reached Venezuelan proportions. ...
You are justifying these people's murderous barbaric actions?
Wow!
I am so glad to be in my luxury London flat and not in your neighbourhood... I heard they stone people in Argentina.
What ever next?
Urghh! How horrid.
I don't think that removing ISIL from Iraq will be too difficult in the short term. I don't think that the UK and the U.S. should in anyway put significant troops on the ground, special forces maybe. I think that this should be done in the main by regional forces.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think air assaults are quite effective over time and that should be our main role in this as part of a wider effort with regional forces who are putting their troops on the front line.
I don't see problem with the U.S. and UK taking control of the Iraqi army and making them more effective.
17. If you recall IS started as a Iraqi branch of Al Qaeda in the Syrian civil war. The recruits coming into Syria and fighting for influence, territorry and land were from Sunni Iraq who were alienated during the al Maliki iranian and american sponsored governments.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its not that IS simply conquered its Iraqi territories to Mosul in a day. Its a case of most of the region falling in line with al Baghdadi.
The US and the UK were the ones who made up from scratch the Iraqi army after Saddam's armed forces were disbanded in 2003. Thats too bad.
Regional powers and forces have different goals and interests. And you will get no benefit for involving yourselves and you will get all the blame for it.
@19
Oct 04th, 2014 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I completely agree with you, our troops in numbers back on the ground in Iraq or Syria would be a huge mistake, but i don't have an issue with air assaults and special forces and we should be absolutely ruthless in our bombing of this scum.
Its a case of most of the region falling in line with Al Baghdadi, really. Like who?
Oct 04th, 2014 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait.
Or do you mean the Iraqi Sunni tribes?
Yep, The Iraqi Sunnies. Thats why ISIL is a legitamate Sunni expression.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just have to overlap the Sunni dominated areas in both Iraq and Syria, meld them togeether and you have your Islamic State.
The best policy will be containment until a new stand still is reached.
Agreed, but tribal loyalties are fickle things, ISIL only have to offend the wrong tribal leader and they will change their allegiance at the drop of a hat, just has they have done many, many times before.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see Argentina is fully committed to this process of 'containment'.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arf! Arf!
As usual, relying on the very people they are so quick to criticise and talk down to.
Jeez, this is not a 'local' problem. If not eliminated now it will become a global problem. That is the stated aim of ISIL/IS/ISIS.
CD2 and tobi say “not our problem, the ocean will protect us”.
I have never heard such a ridiculous and stupidly naive statement in my life.
At least the UK, Europe and the USA are doing SOMETHING.
Better than Argentina hoping it will all go away, like the debt issue.
No point debating with these people. Obviously inept.
22. TBF al Baghdadi seems to be a good tactician and determined leader. He clearly knows what he wants and how to play is cards and has gone far in short time. Do you think he will have problems in crushing any internal menace and cement his power base ??
Oct 04th, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British Muslims unite in fury at Isis murder of Alan Henning
Oct 04th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/05/isis-murder-alan-henning-british-muslim-community
@ 25 Leiard
Oct 04th, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Gruniard always uses the Muslim Council of Britain though in reality it never has, nor does now, represent the disparate factions of Islam present in the UK today.
Anything claimed by this body of self-serving duplicitous toadies can safely be disregarded.
“They are not really Islamic: nobody recognises them, and they are hijacking the religion.”
Sounds of desperation regarding the secret being let out of the magic lantern that the religion is one of death to everybody not being a Muslim.
I would rather read the words of Julie Siddiqui, former head of the Islamic Society of Britain, a moderate Muslim who genuinely seeks integration (as far as it is possible to integrate a murderous medieval ‘religion’ into a modern western society) into the UK.
Speaking from her mosque in Slough, Berkshire, which was packed on Saturday morning with 900 people all of whom were “appalled” at the murder, “why did they decided to announce it when they did? Some of us, naively, thought Alan might even have been released on Friday. They chose a day of reflection, when many were thinking of peace forgiveness, thinking about others. There is a genuine feeling that they did it deliberately, it seems too much of a coincidence.”
Kasim Jameel, from Bolton, who was with Henning on the convoys ...said “He is the best of the best, a pure soul, he is in the best paradise. It's time for him to rest, he's done a lot of work, God's called an angel back.”
If only that were possible.
I would love to see what Argentina is actively doing about this global issue.
Oct 04th, 2014 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On a different note I found out something today and I was wondering if any british person or historian with knowledge about it could help me illuminate on it What I discovered was that great Britain has a territory in hawaii that In essence is british sovereign territory in what is in essence the United states of AmericaThe synopsis said that this territory was given to the British by the monarchy that ruled Hawaii before it's annexation by the americans and that the British sovereign territory till date still exists-So could anyone with more knowledge about this please shine some more light on this-thankyou
Oct 04th, 2014 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 Willow
Oct 04th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds a mite off-topic !!
@28 Willow,
Oct 04th, 2014 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suggest you look up the state flag of Hawaii. Yep it has the Unión Jack (sorry flag) in the top left hand quadrant. Why? Suggest you google Wikipedia for more info
Might have something to do with Cook, he was killed there on his third visit to the Islands.
Oct 05th, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 031 I think he was Cooked and eaten.
Oct 05th, 2014 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are but cowards and murderers full stop
Oct 05th, 2014 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0they will certainly die,
but not with a sword in the hand, rather a body full of lead..
@27
Oct 05th, 2014 - 04:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's not a global issue, and it certainly doesn't harm us.
We didn't go and treat those people like dirt since the 1800s. YOU DID.
That's what happens when you get in other's peoples' business a bit too much. They may start not to like it.
28 willow
Oct 05th, 2014 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I recall correctly ( IIRC), didn't “Mendocinovino”
interrupt another thread in a similar thread, asking benign innocuous questions about the relevance of Monarchies, before devolving into a Troll hate fest ??
So you did learn something from 1982 after all.
Oct 05th, 2014 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now there's a pleasant surprise.
36
Oct 05th, 2014 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL !!'
#34
Oct 05th, 2014 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell that to indigenous inhabitants of modern day Argentina and the people of the Falklands whose homes you brutally invaded, have never apologised to, and continue to bully to this day.
@34
Oct 05th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you are going to make such sweeping statements you first need to consider your despicable action in 1982.
Cameron has been asked to stop the cut backs to the military,
Oct 05th, 2014 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but he wont, so we wont be doing much more then..
@40
Oct 06th, 2014 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have the 4th largest military spend on the planet ?
@4. Don't be ridiculous, of course argieland is at war with the Falklands. Because it's an economic war doesn't make it less of a war. Another argie crime. Regarding non self governing territories, Article 74 says:
Oct 06th, 2014 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Members of the United Nations also agree that their policy in respect of the territories to which this Chapter applies, no less than in respect of their metropolitan areas, must be based on the general principle of good-neighbourliness, due account being taken of the interests and well-being of the rest of the world, in social, economic, and commercial matters.
Do explain how argieland's unfriendly actions match up to its obligations?
And you must tell us how supplying kurds with night vision goggles, radar and body armour is so bad?
@6. IS isn't a legitimate anything. If you think it is remind us that it's 'legitimate' to take people out in their hundreds and shoot them. Or behead people and video everything. We'll do it your way.
@8. So the 'front man' doesn't hide his face. Neither did bin Laden. Somewhere along the line you have a logic failure.
@12. Can you tell the difference between 'FSA' and 'ISIL'? The UK was planning to supply arms to the FSA. And before you get into ”the arms might fall into ISIL hands' excuse, remind me whether we refused to supply arms to the French resistance during WW2 in case they fell into the hands of the communist resistance or the Germans?
@17. Please list the wars that have been won by air strikes!
@18. Actually, ISIL started as 'Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn'. It wasn't a branch of al-Qaeda, it was an affiliate.
@19. Like who? Start by figuring out who has fought little Israel and LOST. And that's what you're going to put up against ISIL? They wouldn't stand a chance. Then it's murder on an industrial scale.
@21. Funneee! Have you not seen the map of ISIL's aspirations. It runs all the way to southern France.
@25. Nothing published in The Guardian is worth reading.
People should re read my comments again more carefully in what I mean as legitimate Sunni expression..
Oct 06th, 2014 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ISIL may claim this or that. IF they even succed in knocking down Assad and the FSA from Syria they will be blocked between Israel and Turkey, plus the Shia militias that Iran supports have already secured the lines along Baghdad.
ISIL as dreadfull as it seems is not going anywhere. And this is a crucial point you have to understand.
Point one,
Oct 06th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cannot negotiate with people who publicly cut the heads of innocent people,
Point two
Apparently Saudi Arabia and other were and probably are actively supporting this ISIS with money and equipment,
If this is so, then they should be made to clear up there mess, or we should punish them in some way, to prevent them supplying those who will use it against our personal and other coalition personal..
Just a honest thought.
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@43
Oct 06th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you believed Europe was under threat of total Islamic fundamentalist domination?
Make your mind up.
Others think Islamic fundamentalism and the islamification is the same as the claim of the Islamic State of Irak and al Sham....
Oct 06th, 2014 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I thought you were being unblocked by a latino plumber on Monday evening?? Or all the ones you found were Polish plumbers in the UK, because there is bearly any of them in the Dark country.
It certainly would help if we stopped those who are actively supporting isis with money and equipment like Saudi Arabia
Oct 08th, 2014 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0amongst others.
it would be a start.
47. ISIL has already the capacity to pay for itself out of the own economy of the regions they control. Most of the Saudi and Qatari money is of private donors.
Oct 08th, 2014 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be better if Islamic schools funded by the House of Saud in the West were banned and closed.
Plenty of equipment too, they copped 1500 Humvees and 50 odd howitzers when they ransacked Mosul. It's also alleged that ISIS stole $430 million from a Mosul bank, although this has been disputed.
Oct 08th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the news today suggests the real reason behind turkey not doing nothing over the Syrian town abt to be taken, was because turkey was itself aiding and abetting isis,
Oct 08th, 2014 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0corruption after corruption,
perhaps the middle east should solve its own problems.
@ Brit
Oct 08th, 2014 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think Turkey is confident that IS will not attack them. The jihadists are already fighting the peshmerga, the FSA, Assad's regime and the Iraqi national army. And Nato will be tacking down crucial assets every now and then. They cant afford to open another war front with Turkey.
I will give you that Turkey seems more comfortable with a Sunni extremist neighbour than with a moderate iindependent Kurdistan next to it.
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