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Brazil's Socialist party announces support for Neves on 26 October runoff
The political party that launched environmentalist Marina Silva's unsuccessful presidential bid has thrown its support behind pro-business candidate Aecio Neves for Brazil's Oct. 26 runoff vote against populist President Dilma Rousseff. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDoes he really need the votes of 2M deadhead lazy poor?
Oct 09th, 2014 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course he does!
But will a capitalist be able to convince these cretins that he won't stop their hand-outs?
Don't miss next weeks exciting episode, NOT.
You need to see the stark picture of North (poor)-v- South (richer).
Oct 09th, 2014 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Neves is a creature of the South.
Marina Silva is of the North - Pernambuco - but she and her party are 'giving' their votes to Neves.
Marina sees, with 20-20 vision, the danger of the poor North controlling the productive South.
There is much in the North that needs protecting, and many in the North that need a real education, but she knows that if the North is allowed to dominate the South, the result is greater and greater decline in the fortunes of Brasil.
Please view this graphic of the election results. It is SO graphic!
https://www.facebook.com/TheEconomist/photos/a.10150279872209060.361054.6013004059/10152742630879060/?type=1&theater
@ 2 GeoffWard2
Oct 09th, 2014 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that useful insight to the N / S divide.
Interesting as that map is, it doesn’t actually help understand the strength of the candidates or assess the number of actual votes required to move to one candidate or another: it’s fatally flawed by being shown in percentage terms.
Unless the distribution of the people is entirely uniform and we both know that is not the case how can anyone assess who will get the >50% from this map?
This article also has its arithmetic wrong unless there are only 100M who voted this time: it claims the 8% margin is 8 million votes. There are 142 million people on the voting register so I suppose a 70% turnout would be acceptable?
Marina Silva took 22 M votes. If all these did migrate to Neves surely this would be more than enough for him to take the presidency?
@3 Chris
Oct 09th, 2014 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite the fact that the graphic only indicates where Dilma and Aécio received the majority vote, not detailing the number of votes, it clearly shows that Dilma has won in the north and northeast, in the States where the poor and the improductive are the majority of the voters. I heard on the news a couple of days ago, that 50% of the families, in Bahia, are currently recipients of the “Bolsa Família”....and with the PT having elected the governor of that State, in another 2 or 3 years, every single feckin' family there, will be on the dole...
IF Marina can get 90% of her supporters to vote for Aécio, Dilma fat arse is out.... but unfortunately the voters aren't amongst the brightest....because if they were, there would be no place for crooks like Lula and Dilma.
I absolutely abhor the ignorance of so many of you who post on here. Bolsa Familia is not a handout. It comes with important strings regarding education. The middle class has grown dramatically under Lula and Dilma and so does not ned other help. Unemployment is its lowest. Aecio has announced NOTHING new, just more of the same FHC policies that broke the country three times before 2003. The completely corrupt press of Brasil, owned and operated by the elite, the ONLY people who stand to benefit from a return to the disastrous policies of the past, makes up “news” as it goes along. VEJA prints its lies and they are picked up by the foreign press, and so few people outside have a clue what is going on here. PSDB has no interest in expanding schooling because like Goering in Nazi Germany, the elite see an educated class as their enemies. And since PSDB is their political front, so does that party. In fact, PSDB would ruin all the progress made for the WHOLE country for the lazy few who have convinced themselves that their money somehow makes them better than all the rest. Still, I hope they enjoy it because they have their reward. Poor Marina is out of her depth and so easily manipulated. . Why not just hand the country back over to the generals as enforcers?
Oct 10th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not Brazilian, but I live here permanently and see what has gone on and what continues to aid this country that deserves so much more. No, PT did NOT invent political corruption in Brasil, but there are a whole lot of dirty hands in PSDB and the socialist party. I think quite a few more than in PT from all I have been able to observe.
But if you who make the nasty comments on here prefer to get your news from the Brazilian versions of FOX, go ahead. I imagine you Brits simply adore what passes for ”news{ in the Murdoch media..
Fbear. I suggest you read more, I would suggest you are the ignorant one or live under a rock.
Oct 10th, 2014 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Bolsa Familia - this is supporting 1 in 4 Brazilians, does that seem sustainable?Apart from the doing the dodgy eg people collecting bolsa and then working under the table too, these people are not incentivised to find work, it's easy to sit at home and be unproductive. How's that helping a country long term???
Don't you see the bullshit you are spouting, you rant on about low unemployment at 5% (bullcrap it is) but can't you see that all these bolsa people are counted as not wanting employment. Beyond that 20% of people between 16 and 29 do not work or register for wanting work, this huge amount of people are unemployed but lifes circumstances lets them do what they want presently.
2. Most say that it was FHC policies were what righted Brazil. The PT that followed was able to reap a certain amount of benefit and then you've just seen the biggest commodity boom the world has ever seen. And where did all that money go, lies, corruption etc etc a lot went walkabout. Look I don't pretend that any party in Brazil are saints.
3. The Press - Go get your info off some blogger if you want but media all round the world tends to have a backer with dosh, just get used to it. Get more Brazilians educated so they can think. Just because you don't like what you see then go find a porno mag, I think that most Brazilians are more than happy to watch Globo every night. Everyone stands to win when you get away from PT and their constant propaganda placed everywhere. PT is simply not sustainable with their policies and are killing Brazil.
4. PSDB - they aint been in power for 12 years, new leader, I believe a greater understanding of the need to provide a balance between all levels of society exists, and yet you're calling them Nazis, you're a moron saying that.
Fbear,
Oct 10th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have made some real mistakes in your posting at #5.
Virtually ALL your assertions are so very, very obviously wrong.
I think it would be best for you if you sat down with some histories of Brasil 'since the Military' and tried to get a balanced view of life and power/politics/corruption in Brasil. You will find that the Bolsa is now a warped reflection of its original intent - to give an incentive for poor families to gain education with the family (FHC).
It took me my first year in Brasil to achieve this balanced insight, and the rest of my time there to understand fully the play of politics across the continent. Luckily I had a lifetime of experience in (predominantly) Western societies and political systems to use as my benchmark.
There is some great South American literature - you know the key authors - and some great books covering FHC, Lula, the Mensalao, the Petrobras period, Rousseff, the mining and deforestry, the development of Brasil's agro-industry, the Landless Peasant Movement - there are balanced exposes on Wikileaks; and, once you read deeply and with an open mind, you might find more home truths in Veja.
Can I recommend the two opposed works - The Open Veins of Latin America (Galeano) and the - opposing - Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot (Mendosa et al). You will find all the Bolivarian argument neatly argued and counter-argued.
Galeano has recently recanted his Marxist tract, but it still makes good reading.
No, Fbear, I fear your comment are WAY off the mark,
and I look forward to you re-joining the debate once you have a better picture of the main characters and the events that have shaped today's Brasil.
FHC CRITICIZES THE NORTHEAST BY THIS HAVE VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY IN DLMA!!!
Oct 10th, 2014 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prejudice against the Northeast, expressed by former President Fernando Henrique Cardoso, in interviews this week, is nothing more than the revelation of the true character of his Government, of what would be a Government of Aecio Neves, and the character of those who consider themselves Brazilian elites. A selfish, cruel character, only delivered injustice and dishonesty. The poor Northeast has always been a consequence of what the Brazilian economic elites have always done while they were in power. There is no surprise in the facts. There is no surprise in the fact the elector from the Northeast have voted overwhelmingly forr Rousseff. Could not be otherwise. That Government, before 2003, did something for the Northeast? There is no surprise in the fact FHC, Aecio and Brazilian economic elites, mostly right-wing and reactionary, having bias against the Northeast. They did the Northeast the poorest region of Brazil. And, finally, people who can think with their own brains, do you know a class of people worse than the rich Brazilians?
FHC, after his election, had the temerity to those without a silver spoon “Brazilian Hillbillies.” He also called people who retired before age 50 “vagabondos.” Shows real respect for ordinary
Brazilians. just as has Aecio FHC Juniot.
Sounds familiar like right wing former US senator Alan Simpson calling retired people America's biggest freeloaders.. Not that he has a six figure retirement from our pockets and those “freeloaders” paid into the system all their working lives.
Because I fail to agree with the reactionaries on this site, I do not live under a rock, and I do not get all my “propaganda” from the utterly biased and dishonest media anywhere. I recommend trying Carta Capital. Veja is just right wing propaganda all dressed up. But I know you won't agree. More's the pity.
The northeast is full of fiefdoms, who align with the PT and perpetuate a cycle of poverty for the poor people there. Please tell me about Sarney and Maranhão for example. Once again I say to you a government must set up systems that are sustainable otherwise sooner or later the system will grind to a halt. The PT is running the country into the ground, they've had plenty of years, how can anyone be pleased with recession and 6.75% inflation. The situation will only worsen, PT won't change much if they get back in power, Brazil will continue to suffer a death by a thousand cuts. I hold out hope that the other party will make some necessary changes and if there is some pain then so be it because they will be avoiding a real train wreck if the current state of play continues..
Oct 10th, 2014 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Fbear
Oct 10th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, you think the “Bolsa Família” is not a handout and “comes with stings attached regarding education”. For someone who claims they live in Brazil - which I don't doubt - you are really quite clueless....sorry to burst your bubble, but the BF is a handout, pure and simple, no strings attached. The several “bolsas” which were created by FHC's government, did have some strings attached, but Lula thought it was 'unfair' to insist that someone's child had to actually go to school in order to collect the “bolsa escola'....and so on..
Your statement that ”the middle class has grown dramatically under Lula and Dilma“ is a good sign of your cluelessness.....according to the PT, 50% of Brazil's population is now middle class...well, if you lower the bar considerably, and re-define 'middle-class', then yes , millions 'suddenly' jump into the next social class ; and just for your info, according to the official stats, 65% of this 'new' middle class lives in ”favelas“...doesn't that ring slightly demagogical to you ? probably not..
”Unemployment is its lowest“....wow, fantastic. ...but a load of bull...the current 5% unemployment rate does NOT count the 30 million people on 'Bolsa Familia' - because they aren't actively looking for a job...and it's very unlikely they ever will be. True unemployment is at 20%.
” PSDB has no interest in expanding schooling “....another lie...it is notorious that Lula, who is semi-illiterate, believes education is unnecessary...I mean, after all, look where he got to, without studying...and he's proud of it.
”The completely corrupt press of Brasil”...here, you are partially right....the mainstream press is paid by the PT to not divulge anything, that they really don't have to, which might denigrate the wonderful image of the PT ...sad, but true. Last of all, the PMDB - the PT's largest ally - is made up of the oligarchies which have kept the NE backward...not the PSDB. Wake up, numbnuts.
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