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Pope Francis shakes Vatican policy with new attitude towards gays

Tuesday, October 14th 2014 - 05:53 UTC
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The Vatican has taken strides in announcing a new change in views towards homosexuals, which according to a Vatican document drafted after a week-long discussion of 200 bishops on family issues, states that homosexuals have “gifts and qualities to offer.” Read full article

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  • C. Lee

    On the Pope's comment on gays, please allow Pope Francis know about the public's beliefs on his certain stance as follow:
    I disagree on the Pope's expression on the above-said matter. Using words such as 'gifts' and 'qualities' are improper and sound ridiculous to me. The Pope is condoning to them by lowering the qualities of our Catholic faith.
    Of course we do not punish, judge or refuse any persons who wants to come to church but like the liturgies of these few days: we don't just come to church (out of the closets) to claim our spotlights without changing our lives according to what Jesus teaches in the Holy Gospels and to make worthy ourselves of God's Graces.
    Jesus invites all to the Holy Banquet but He casts out those who are not properly prepared nor have knowledge of what going to God mean! That's this week's homilies about.
    To me the Pope just give the gays a laud afraid they run away without giving him contributions - that's a very bad example of a speech from the Holy See!
    Please Pope Francis: read this week's Holy Gospels outlined in the Liturgies and watch the reflection video everyday even you yourself are teaching them also.
    One could never be too careful in checking oneself whether one has taken one's knowledge for granted since one has reached a high position of one's career.

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    1 C. Lee

    Your post is offensive and the ideas expressed in it are as outdated as the Catholic faith itself.

    By all means go and speak with your imaginary friend ( or “god” as you call him ) It is your right to believe in what ever it is that you wish to believe in but please know that you are wrong.

    I find the catholic faith to be just as homophobic and woman hating as Islam. The “Holy Gospels” are just a means by which the leaders of the church control and subjugate women. This only serves to prove that the pope is just as out of touch with the real world as any politician.

    It is my sincerest wish that this bunch child molesters is thrown in jail for the rest of their worthless lives.

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 1 C - NOT (do you get it?)

    There is no god, it's a failing within the brain of some humans that they are afraid to be alone in the universe: there must be something or somebody to 'save us'.

    Well grow up and grasp life for as long as you live, because when you die that's it. NADA, nothing other than your dust waiting for the Red Giant phase of our Sun to envelope the Earth and convert everything back to stardust which is where we all came from. The wait will be about 4 billion years and you will never feel a thing, so don’t worry.

    Anyway the RCC knows ALL about paedophiles who some stupid people think are homosexuals: NO, they are god-damned sexual perverts (if god did exist he / she would surely damn them). These ‘kiddie fiddlers’ still live within the RCC and are still protected, but the new Pope is slowly catching up with them and out they will go, together with the Bishop who has protected them for so long.

    The thing you are basing this diatribe on is nothing but a collection of folk tales, written by people who never experienced any of what they are writing about and given ‘credence’ by naming it the Bible.

    Try reading The Dandy (it’s a funny comoc) and get yourself a few laughs, it will do you more good than worrying about a load of rubbish written in a medieval ‘book’.

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • bushpilot

    Your Comment

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    I'm gay, well-adjusted and happy, no matter what a foreign church says.

    Based on the trends in our census, I am now part of the largest religious group in Australia - No Religion.

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    5 Anglotino

    “I'm gay, well-adjusted and happy, no matter what a foreign church says. ”

    More power to you. To quote a song from one of my favorite bands from my student days:-

    “Love matters most, where ever it comes from.........”

    Respect

    Oct 14th, 2014 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    The only large group left in the RCC is in SA.

    C. Lee is typical of the blind adherence to a critically damaged organization which still thinks what it says is what the world should do.

    It is in terminal decline and the sooner it goes and takes the homophobes with it the better for the rest of us.

    Only the bat-shit mad Islamists left then.

    Oct 15th, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    ChrisR,

    I find it pays never to interrupt an atheist when they're busy explaining how short and pointless their own existence is.

    So by all means enjoy the anti-religious ranting your finite period of biological activity allows. It will indeed be over soon enough.

    Oct 15th, 2014 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 8 Bongo
    “I find it pays never to interrupt an atheist when they're busy explaining how short and pointless their own existence is.”

    Of course you do because you have no argument that makes sense to anybody with an open mind.

    So I take it you are looking forward to “the life hereafter” IF you can get out of purgatory that is?

    Henry VIII was many things but he had it spot on when he got rid of the popsicle. It won’t be long (in the scale of things) before the nonsense has gone and everybody will be free.

    Oct 15th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    Chris R,

    Oh I'm sorry, so you don't think an atheist has a short and pointless existence then? Well what is the point of you? And what do you have after your short life is over?

    Hard to comment on the rest of your post as I'm not a practicing Catholic, don't believe in purgatory and have issues with the church myself.

    Oct 19th, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 10 Bongo
    So you are neither one thing nor another, not a practicing RC but you still expect to ‘go to heaven’ don’t you? Oh dear, so sad, never mind. You will be with the rest of us DEAD. Deep down you know, that don’t you?

    “Well what is the point of you?”
    That’s easy. I came from a very poor family, worked hard at school, became the Head Server at an ENGLISH High Church (not many of those), as you are a lapsed RC that’s the person who looks after the Vicar, especially during holy communion and organises the choir, etc.

    I studied at my Technical High School (having passed the 11 Plus) AND WOKE UP! No more fearing total damnation (there’s no hell either) and realising that it was me that mattered and me that could make my life what I wanted.

    I left school with good CGSE’s in the technical and ‘difficult’ ones plus Eng. Lang. and Eng. Lit. Passed to be accepted in one of the last Indentured Technical Apprenticeships with Pilkington Glass and graduated as the youngest ever Divisional Process Engineer having been, at the age of 19, the Apprentice of the Year at Pilkington Glass (2,600 trainees).

    Then I joined another company and eventually became the Technical Director of a GEC Ltd company. I started my own management business, then other businesses to spread the risk in downturns, etc.

    For 15 years I was a Trustee of a charity which encouraged children to experience a sport that they would probably never had had the opportunity to take part in. During that time we had Scouts, Guides, and children in care; the Pony Club, etc take part. For 5 years I was the Chairman of The Advanced Motorcycle Association of the UK, a charity which sought to train riders who had just passed their motorcycle test and wanted to learn more in order to be safe riders on the roads.

    Now I am retired in Uruguay I help local youngsters and young men and women advance in computer studies and business administration.

    So tell me, what have YOU done to help others?

    Oct 19th, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bongo

    Chris R,

    The amusing thing about atheists is that not only to they spout a great deal of ill-informed, bigoted nonsense about religion but they repeat that nonsense on an endless, easily-refutable basis as if it were some sort of mantra that will make religion disappear. The church, in all its incarnations, will persist if for no other reason than the great atheist revolution has simply failed to materialise. The Brights movement has all but disappeared up its own backside, New Atheism has fallen flat on its face and even Richard Dawkins is becoming something of a pariah within areas of his own atheist community. On a global scale, atheists remain a significantly small, if very vocal, minority and though belief has declined in places like the UK it is burgeoning in countries where it is or was normally repressed, for example China and the former Soviet Union. Even those in the west who thought it was cool and liberating to embrace non-belief are likely to abandon atheism when they realise what a vacuous philosophy it is.

    Perhaps you ought to educate yourself on the means by which Christianity, and to an extent Islam, has inspired advances in music, literature, art, philosophy, science, mathematics, ethics, literature, architecture and, especially, charitable institutions. You may also like to avail yourself of the fact that atheist regimes have been responsible for the torture and slaughter of more people than any inquisition or supposedly religious war combined.

    What do I do to help others? I preach a creed that teaches people they have meaning, purpose and a hope for the future in a planned universe that cares. Your creed teaches people that they are no more than accidental organic space junk with no meaning, purpose or future in a brittle and soulless cosmos that doesn't give a fig about who they are or what they do.

    I am a former journalist and editor, I'm a published novelist and am currently undertaking a PhD in English Studies. Hope that helps.

    Oct 19th, 2014 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 12 Bongo

    “I am a former journalist and editor, I'm a published novelist and am currently undertaking a PhD in English Studies. Hope that helps.”

    Oh yes it explains a lot of things.

    One of my uncles from my mother’s side was the youngest ever editor of the Shropshire Star many years ago. He was as adept at bending the truth to suit his opinion as you demonstrably are.

    Please provide the links which support you claim of “the fact that atheist regimes have been responsible for the torture and slaughter of more people than any inquisition or supposedly religious war combined.” Because the opposite is true as far as I can determine. And yes I do realise what communism has done.

    The real problem you seem to have is the inability to understand what we are. If you want to lie to people about the reality of life that is your problem but what is this creed that you claim I have?

    All I have ever said it the truth: I was a product of well meaning loving parents who thought they were helping me live a life after death but who knew nothing of the synapses of the brain and the chemicals, derived from earthly matter which provides the electrical force necessary for a healthy life. In short they were like you: lacking in the understanding of science (a PhD in English Studies does not have science in it) and unable to come to terms that we have to make the best of our life because this is all there is.

    I know why you detest me, I don’t bend the knee to any form of religion that denies the reality of a material existence for a supernatural one and this frightens you doesn’t it? Why have you not answered the first question in @ 11 above?

    BTW, carry on with the condescending manner; it really is impressive, being lectured to by an ex-journalist!

    I won’t tell you what I am studying by distance learning at MIT, it will only frighten you more, but at least it’s believable.

    Oct 19th, 2014 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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