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Argentina grants first refugee status to Russian gay, victim of President Putin's non tolerance policies

Tuesday, October 21st 2014 - 06:57 UTC
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A young 28 year old became the first Russian gay to be given refugee status by Argentina, because of discrimination and violence at his home country. The positive reply to the year-long request was sponsored by Argentina's Federation of lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans, FALGBT. Read full article

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  • golfcronie

    Well done Argentina, let's hope that all the gays,lesbians and transgenderites apply for refugee status there then we don't have to deal with them.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

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    Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Normal people. Conqs if you think you are “normal” then you are even stupider than your comments make you out to be. And honestly calling you stupid is a compliment when you consider your abilities.

    There's a reason no one mourns old drunkards like you, because everyone is relieved when you finally fall off the perch and make the world a better place.

    Honestly I doubt that you have added anything great to this world nor done anything worth mentioning. God if you has kids, let's hope they take after the milkman.

    But the awesome thing is, that people like me; just by existing, piss you off so much. Yes a queer, gay, faggot from down under not only towers over you intellectually, so much that you are a goldfish in comparison, but I'm also more a man that you will ever be.

    You can't even conquer your alcoholism long enough to pop that Viagra and use that flaccid piece of fish bait between your legs..... you know that sad piece of manhood that you catch a glimpse of in the mirror every now and again.

    So rage on old man. Coz us queers are here and there's nothing you can do. Nope, not a thing. You will just have to sit back and take it (proverbially) while people like me rub your face in it.

    Honestly, I can't wait for your comeback. You make Hepatia and Paulcedron look like Nobel Prize winners when you do.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    #2: You are a complete idiot.
    Did anyone notice that cfk did NOT bring up the policies he maintains in his country in her televised conversation with Putin? No, she was literally salivating about the fact that she was talking to a “great world leader”. What a damn hypocrite.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Well Done Argentina! Finally a noble act that sends a clear international message.
    As for all the haters, I am going to borrow a post from the recent 'Pope' thread as this sums up my thoughts on the subject;
    6 Britworker (#) Oct 20th, 2014 - 04:29 pm

    Hilary Clinton -

    Gay people are born into, and belong to, every society in the world. They are all ages, all races, all faiths. They are doctors and teachers, farmers and bankers, soldiers and athletes. And whether we know it or whether we acknowledge it, they are our family, our friends, and our neighbors. Being gay is not a Western invention. It is a human reality.

    @4, yup, it's the hypocrisy of Cristina that I can't stand. Still, it good to see some decent Argentines at work for the greater good. This is much bigger than saving one Russian chap, as it is also sending a clear message to Putin.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    1
    “Well done Argentina, let's hope that all the gays,lesbians and transgenderites apply for refugee status there then we don't have to deal with them.”

    deal with them?
    they are people exactly like you, you asshole.
    guess you have a bad concept of gays, lesbians and the others because of anglotine.
    well, not all of them are like him,

    surely you don´t want to “deal” with niggers and jews either, do you?

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @6
    Oh dear here speaketh the rascist paul.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Naw, he just hates 'anglos' (what ever 'they' are?)....

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    Well done Argentina! (Reminds me of Israel granting resident status to gay Arab refugees from Gaza, the West Bank and Jordan, so that their “friends & families” can't murder them to extinguish their shame).

    @3 Anglotino
    That was absolutely spectacular!

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @2

    Your attitudes to homosexuality make you a minority in your country which, according to you, makes you 'queer'. I think you might be happier in Russia, amongst your own kind.

    @6 Paul

    There are so many better ways you could have expressed yourself.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @10
    Nice post. Succinctly put.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

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    Oct 21st, 2014 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    I bet Cristina ticked the no publicity box on that one, for heavens sake next she will start letting Tibetans and then Argentina will be really shafted.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 13 RICO

    OK, I give up, what's the problem with Tibetans? This had better be good. :o)

    TDC is about to be shafted by Singer anyway, so I wouldn't worry.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @14
    China, pissing off China I reckon.
    The Free Tibet independence movement and the Chinese government have, how shall we say... 'relationship issues'.
    Cristina is pretty short on friends at the moment. She really doesn't need this!

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gremlin

    It's a shame some pretty enlightened social policies in specific areas are coupled with some of the crazy Argentina comes out with.

    A rare occasion when I have to say good job Argentina.

    Remember the golden rule of normality- You're unique, just like everybody else. I can pretty much guarantee you that if you look at yourself honestly you can think of one area where the rest of society would view you as strange. Just be glad they aren't trying to lynch you over it.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    interesting that past blogs have brought out the worse and bad argie bloggers against the brits,

    yet now CFK joins the real world, they all line up to praise her,

    well done Argentina,
    but still don't hide the two faced argie hate bloggers,

    then again, perhaps they to are waking up, ??

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    I guess a lot of Russians will be queuing up whether they are gay or not....
    I wonder how legitimacy is determined.....

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • 313toBioBio

    Come to Argentina, it's not like the economy is collapsing or anything.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    “I wonder how legitimacy is determined.....”

    Probably with the same amount of difficulty that political persecution is proven.

    What a stupid comment.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @20 Anglotino
    I concur.

    Don't let the backwards-looking knuckle-draggers goad you. Celebrating your own life and freedom is enough to send them into lather. Eventually all these types will wither and die as humankind continues on the road to enlightenment.
    I am proud to know you, even if it is just on these fora!!

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Narrow minds have narrow lives Ilsen.

    Thank you!

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    So very true Anglotino.

    De nada!

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    20
    WTF is stopping Russians pretending to be gay to get into other countries..?
    How will it be determined that they are not pretending...?
    What's stupid about it....?
    Yer forever playing the drama Queen....and making out you are something special...
    Wake up and smell the coffee...you're not...the article is about a Russian not you...get over it...

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @11

    Thanks.

    @13

    She'd never do it, she simply doesn't have the guts for it. I doubt if Putin cares how many gay people leave Russia - the people who are his core voters certainly don't, but there are few things more likely to trigger Chinese paranoia than any reference to Tibetan independence.

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Jeez Voice. Stop pretending your comment was anything other than goady.

    These unnecessary personal attacks say more about you than anyone else.

    I can't think of a single time Anglotino has been a 'drama queen'. Why don't you take your prejudices to the farside of fuck off?

    Oct 21st, 2014 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    26
    Stop creeping round people...you're beginning to sound like a sycophant...
    ...and stop making stupid comments that you think are PC....
    ...“Eventually all these types will wither and die as humankind continues on the road to enlightenment.”
    ...If everyone was like Skip..“on the road to enlightenment”...there wouldn't be a humankind...it would die out.....Doh!!
    Anyway I found the test to determine...so I don't need any input from you...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK1Le5VJOK4
    BTW...I'll say what WTF I want.....unlike you that tries so hard to say things you hope folk will agree with....get a personality....creep...

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Enlightenment, as in regards to tolerance and education. You obviously don't suffer from a surfeit of either.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    ..don't pretend you know me....
    You don't...

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Don't have the pretense to order me about or make assumptions about me then.
    pfffft!
    You always try and make every thread all about you. That much we all know. I just forgot that I should know better than to encourage you.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Calling me names doesn't make your comment any less stupid A_Voice.

    And I, for one, will never pretend to know you. Considering your acerbic personality, I am pretty sure that actually people that know you would pretend otherwise.

    But I stand by my comment.

    “I wonder how legitimacy is determined.....”
    Probably with the same amount of difficulty that political persecution is proven.

    How do you prove political persecution, the cornerstone of modern asylum programmes? It isn't how they walk or talk or who they sleep with.

    Giving asylum to homosexuals isn't because of who they sleep with, but how they are treated and persecuted for being homosexual.

    An intelligent person would therefore assume that they would have to prove such persecution and ill-treatment by their government exactly like a person fleeing political persecution would have to.

    “WTF is stopping Russians pretending to be gay to get into other countries..?”
    The same thing could be said for someone fleeing political persecution.

    “How will it be determined that they are not pretending...?”
    The same thing could be said for someone fleeing political persecution.

    “What's stupid about it....?”
    That as usual you didn't think out before sticking your oar in.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    What crap Skip....
    People fleeing political persecution is usually on an individual basis....
    The persecution of gays in Russia is general and does not apply to individuals..but all....
    “The decision was based on data provided by the UN, and different global organizations on sexual diversity and human rights.”

    “the determining factor was that “Russian security forces 'tolerate' such violence” and that the police does not register reports on violence or threats to LGBT or any form of protection.”
    There is no comparison to political persecution....

    ...as usual you didn't think out before sticking your oar in....
    BTW...I didn't call you any name..I said stop playing the drama queen...
    Which you always do as soon as someone mentions the word Gay....

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I have a gay Russian friend who was is in the process of getting Asylum here in the USA.
    He had a horrible life in Russia, every time the Police saw him outside of his house they beat him, no records, no booking they just picked him up beat the heck out of him and left him on the road. Every time they saw him leave his house. He was terrorised!
    So Voice's idiotic statement on how they prove it, it was supposed to be funny but it is a life threatening problem for some people.
    He probably makes a lot of jokes that fall flat, that's why he is so lonely and miserable.
    I may not know you personally but I know your type. A Low born, badly educated, loudmouth prick. You prove it with every post.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    List your educational qualifications....dumb Yank..and I'll list mine and we'll see who is badly educated.
    All you are is a Fat, Retard Realtor called Fred Bates in DC...previously a sales Rep for Kodak....
    Don't make me laugh you wannabe....
    Yankee qualifications come free with tokens collected from a cornflakes packet...

    BTW...you are lying, you don't have any friends...how the fcuk could you, you are always on here...
    Do some work ya bum...

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Wow, how upset is A_Voice today.

    It's giving me the giggles.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Hahaha, I don't have to prove anything to you.
    I don't care where you are from or who you are.
    I know exactly WHAT you are.
    Low class wannabe
    I've been dealing with your type my whole life

    rolls eyes and walks away.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Russia is the dream society of most anti-argies here: a police state where a few are fantastically wealthy, and is the Paragon of modern capitalism: if you are rich and make money, you keep it. If you are rich and lose money, you take it from the poor.

    That's where Europe and the USA are heading. Moscow, there they go...

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Haha Russia.... capitalist...... you're funny!

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 03:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/healthy-wealthy-and-unfair-tide-goes-out-on-equality-in-australia-20141013-115fa9.html

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/healthy-wealthy-and-unfair-tide-goes-out-on-equality-in-australia-20141013-115fa9.html

    The United States, Canada, Australia, and Western Europe (United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Holland, Sweden, etc):

    Bolding making the leap back to the 19th century.

    What a surprise that ALL those countries had a trend of more equality from 1930 to 1980, but “magically” then, they all reversed course...

    I wonder what happened?

    What happened was Modern Capitalism (aka crony capitalism), was instaurated, and thus the results, with inequality soaring everywhere.

    Moscow, there they go!

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @39
    I only mention this because you referenced Canada (my country of residence) in your previous “inequality” post.

    “Inequality” is a relative term, by definition. As is monetary income.

    To give you a sense of relatively; in Canada if you are on UI (unemployment insurance; which you qualify if you have worked for nine consecutive weeks), you will receive 280 - 400 Cdn dollars per week for up to 38 consecutive weeks (or, in Argentine blue terms, a minimum of approximately 4000 pesos/week). If you have decided to not even try to work for whatever reason or decide to never even attempt to work (or work “under-the-table” for cash), and wish to go on “welfare”, you are entitled to receive $728.00/month (approximately 10,500.00 pesos/month); that is minimum for a single male/female.
    You of course don't even have to be a citizen to receive the welfare benefits; just be present ( or a refugee). This is above and beyond free health care, dental (for welfare recipients), and in certain instances, an additional housing allowance.
    How does that compare to the exploited classes in Argentina?
    It's all relative.

    Speaking of relativity (a self-serving segue); we are far from perfect, as I am painfully aware, but to give you an idea of our society concerning justice; we have recently sent our mayor (Joe Fontana); London, Ontario) to jail for 4 months for submitting a fraudulent expense claim for $1700.00 Cdn (the prick tried to charge part of his daughter's wedding to the tax-payer).
    It's all relative.

    BTW. My son absolutely loved his time in BA and Rosario last year. Spectacular, wonderful people. But he found their apathy very disheartening.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    So what you are saying is that if 50% of Argentines don't make 5.000 pesos a month (and they don't, but then the “blue rate” is irrelevant since no exchange is needed, thus the rate of $9 applies), all is well in Canada.

    I certainly would guess most people in Latin America don't make the average US$ 600 a month... forget about folk in India, China, SE Asia, most of the Arab world, and Africa.

    Thus, all is well in Argentina.

    “Relativity” is a very powerful astro-physical phenomenon.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Australia is still better managed, richer and safer than Argentina. Our level of inequality is better than Argentina by a mile.

    Indeed, thank you for the list. Here is the wealth share of the top decile:

    2014
    United States 74.6%
    ARGENTINA 71.8%
    Sweden 68.6%
    Germany 61.7%
    Canada 57%
    Spain 55.6%
    Holland 54.8%
    United Kingdom 54.1%
    France 53.1%
    Italy 51.5%
    Australia 51.1%

    2007
    United States 74.8%
    Sweden 68.6%
    Germany 61.7%
    ARGENTINA 59.9%
    Canada 58%
    Holland 53.6%
    Spain 52%
    United Kingdom 52%
    France 51.1%
    Australia 50.7%
    Italy 47.9%

    So in the past 7 years, your country Argentina has actually gone backwards in wealth distribution and had a major climb in concentration of wealth in the richest part of the population.

    Seems the only country that the label “SOARING” can be attached to.... is yours. For all the advances you talk about in your country and how much you repudiate the way other countries work.... well look what it has got you.

    https://publications.credit-suisse.com/tasks/render/file/?fileID=60931FDE-A2D2-F568-B041B58C5EA591A4

    Thanks for giving me this chance to say that Nostrils.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @42

    Wow.

    If I were a member of the Argentine kleptocracy, I'd be looking for some kind of distraction to keep the decamisados looking the other way.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Wow I wonder what that could be?

    Hmmmmm.....

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Wealth Inequality gap is a red herring from Socialists and nobody defended it better than Baroness Thatcher:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw

    Oh I do miss the days of Reagan and Thatcher.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @42

    Those facts are bogus. Do you ever post any facts?

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    46. I guess you scraped together some $ to vent your bile. No lunch today or tomorrow?
    I saw a lot of smaller wineries are having to close around Mendoza.
    What a shame.
    It's not even bad yet, wait until next year.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Bark and bay if you wish, I'm not the least bit concerned about Mendoza and certainly not when it is something coming from you, the least reputable source of Argentina news on the net, marginally better than AFTA.org.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Sorry, did I ever claim to be a new organization? I'm more of a Think Tank offering opinions based on all the news and research I read.
    :)
    Did you see the article about BA real estate at a 30 year low?
    Hmm
    Won Decade, 30 year low? I guess you're out of the won decade and into the Lost Generation... or two.
    Bahahahahaha

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    I really doubt what you say, but anyway. We won't adopt your perverse economic system of the USA, or Europe. Simple as that.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I would wish Argentines understood more about basic economics. Im ever more convinced that the State is VILE and OPPRESSING.

    Toby even if you are unemployed and living at your Mums and pay no tax; the intromission of the STATE in the free market and peoples lives you end up paying one way or another; by inflation and by the lack of opportunities that the private world could potentially offer you.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    50. After YEARS of me telling you EXACTLY what was going to happen and being PROVEN to be right you doubt what I say?

    Then you are truly doomed.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    The private world has offered Jackshit to Argentina. Ever.

    Private investment has NEVER been deployed in Argentina for job creation. Even in the 1990s when Menem bent over backwards for it, all they did is buy all the jewelry heirlooms (“joyas de la abuela”), and sack them DRY: AR, YPF, Aguas Argentinas, and I could go on and on. Many foreigners but our factories only to ship them to wage hellholes like Brazil, Mexico, and China.

    That's Argentina's experience with private sactor opportunities. Then you wonder why so few are interested in an encore.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    YPF, Aguas Argentinas, Aerolineas Argentinas, ferrocarriles Argentinos, Marina Mercante funds ware just deficitary crap, so Cavallo got rid of them they ware not crown jewls but a burden on the enconomy and now the Ks have burdened us with them again.

    Toby 1880-1914. Private investment made Argentina a power house. There was more British investment in Argentina than in places like Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

    This book should be obligatory in all of Argentina's highschools. You should read it
    http://bimg1.mlstatic.com/adam-smith-la-riqueza-de-las-naciones-libro-nuevo_MLA-F-127297625_4391.jpg

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    53. Why do you think its the obligation of private companies to offer anything but a reasonable tax on profits to a country or its citizens?
    They're not charities.
    WTF do they teach you in those Rg horrible schools?

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    55
    Sure, but he is still wrong when he claims that private investmetn didn't offer jobs and genuine growth for Argentina in the past

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I know but 1 step at at time. The problem the Peronista brainwashed idiots have is they don't seem to understand even the basics of what a business is supposed to do and how things are really supposed to work.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    You can see why Nostrils dropped out of uni so quickly!

    He's never had any ability to argue, but that inability seems to be getting even worse. He never lets a good fact get in the way of a delusion.

    Oct 22nd, 2014 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @55

    Countries aren't charity either. So they should not bend over backwards for some rich oligarchs.

    @54

    At the time there was REAL capitalism: i.e., investment in building things, allowance of failure of rich people, social mobility.

    None of those things are in place today anywhere in the world: there is not one country in the world today you can go to and go from being poor to being well-off. NONE. Capitalism, which claims to be meristocratic, cannot function if people cannot move up and down. There is also no investment for production: just market speculation on driving up price-assets be it gold, real estate, or stocks. Finally, large business are allowed to exist forever because they are saved by governments, which further stultifies the lack of social mobility, and investment in production, since new players are not allowed in (and thus there is neither investment or social mobility from those people moving up), and you have ossified mega-banks at the top.

    So that won't work.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    JK Rowling!

    QED

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    59. Most of the Billionaires in the USA are from middle class backgrounds. I know lots and lots of people who have over u$10Mm and started from nothing. Absolutely nothing.
    So again you know nothing of what you speak.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Steve Jobs!

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @59 Nostrum

    “there is not one country in the world today you can go to and go from being poor to being well-off. NONE”

    It truly pains me to see a young man (I assume you're young) write something like that; although maybe it's because you have a much higher concept of “well-off”.
    In my home country (Canada), I would humbly suggest that if you are ambitious, honest, (very) hard-working and with just average intelligence, you are almost guaranteed to eventually become “well-off” by most, if not all, world standards (I know I was able to do it even without the intelligence part).
    I do realize that your statement is largely true in much/most of the thrid world, where equality of opportunities sometimes is non-existent (I remember hearing Bill Gates once say that there are probably a thousand guys in Mumbai pushing handcarts that are much smarter than him, but did not have his opportunities); but that is certainly not even the norm here.
    It might take a while, but even the average auto-worker, teacher, nurse, etc almost always retires with equity closer to 2 million Cdn, than 1 million Cdn, and sometimes much, much more (just the average teacher's pension here is valued at 1.2 million @ 55 years/retirement age). But then, maybe that's not “well-off” in your books.
    Cheers!

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    63 You are absolutely right. Hard work is the operative word. That concept is lost on the people of this country.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    “That concept is lost on the people of this country.”

    what country?
    the islets?
    they are not a country.
    they are a colony, got it?

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Paul, I saw that real estate sales in BA are at a 30 year low and contruction materials are up 52% yoy.

    Have you started washing cars yet?

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    yankeeboy
    haha
    no.
    nobody expects that you can understand it, but even in the middle of the crisis, you have some opportunities.
    now you can build 1 square meter for half you paid a year ago, in dollars.
    so there are some areas of the city, mostly the u20 (a tax free area for the audiovisual industry, part of palermo and part of colegiales) where building offices is still a good deal.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @63

    Most statistics contradict your patriotic beliefs. Canada no longer has any social mobility.

    But obviously, all is well in the NorthAmian paradise:

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/23/world/canada-shoot-tic-toc/index.html

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    Nostrils : I know university education in Argentina is free , but if they are filling your head with the crap you spout on here , you should be charging THEM for your attendance .

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ POLLY

    But how much does it cost if you put mortar between the bricks / blocks or whatever to stop it falling down as so may 'buildings' do in TDC?

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @68 TTT

    You are a sick little man, you take such pleasure in posting links to murders and deaths that never have any thing to do with topic under discussion.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @68 Nostrum
    The first part of your post is simply juvenile, silly and factually incorrect (not just anecdotally). Your last sentence ensures me that there's really no reason to bother to try to converse with you. I''m quite disappointed as I am forever respectful in exchanges and always try to give the benefit of the doubt.

    As for your last sentence, why would you really want to get in a pissing match with a Canadian over such things as people being shot. Our murder rate is now 1/5th (1.2/100,000 vs 6.3/100,000) than your home country.

    No worries, I now have no illusions as to you taking the honourable approach. I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology as I'm sure there is none forthcoming.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Richard Pratt!

    I can think of so many examples of people going “from being poor to being well-off”.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    67. If it costs 50% less to build one would think it would be even cheaper to buy a vacant property when the market is at a 30 year low.

    Silly guy I know way more than you about this topic.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    yankeeboy
    you seem to be a good chap but your knowledge of the argentine market is zero (0.00).
    what is one of the main problems right now in argentina?
    to have dollars.
    and in what currency they sell their properties?
    in dollars.
    hence the real state market is paralyzed.

    now, when you build a new building, you sell it in PESOS, understand?
    in cuotas en pesos through a fideicomiso.
    many times those apartments, offices, whatever, are not for sale, but just as a reserva de valor.
    in the case of the tax free area, they are also for rent.

    so, listen more and opine less, yankeesillyboy.

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Leiard

    @75

    More than 10,000 jobs lost in construction industry during the second quarter of this year.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Se-perdieron-mas-de-10.000-empleos-en-la-construccion-durante-el-segundo-trimestre-20140829-0097.html

    In the last twelve months the coat of building increased of 34.2%.

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Se-perdieron-mas-de-10.000-empleos-en-la-construccion-durante-el-segundo-trimestre-20140829-0097.html

    Oct 23rd, 2014 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @72 DerkeBlake

    I've just been watching news footage of the reception afforded Kevin Vickers by your parliament, who seems to be a man of tremendous dignity. It was very moving and my estimation of your country has gone up even further.

    p.s. Don't take anything Toby says personally, he's just ( very ) young and angry - not an uncommon condition in young men. Plus his country is falling apart. That can't be much fun...

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @72

    Apologies??? Do you read what everyone here writes about my country? The mendacious humiliations? The vitriolic rodomontades? The opprobrious traducing? The gasconading vilipend? The abusive canards?

    You can be as respectful as you claim to be, but collusion is still collusion, and if YOU are respectful because others are performing the dirty work for you, you are as complicit a collaborator as the vitriolic foreigners that post here.

    Everyone here is a Conqueror, because they silently stand-by while he tosses his bombs at my country. The only time the “other side” stands-up to him is when he insults gays, Scotland, or other “first worlders”, but when he insults Argentina all is fine and they celebrate it.

    Notice how Anglotino, an openly-gay member, started insulting Argentina with ALACRITY at the first opportunity I gave him (and he thinks he is smarter than me, I'm 10 steps ahead of him), but he couldn't bring himself to even praise Argentina in this article. Not once.

    I'm not here to make friends. And I am too cortically advanced to make friends here anyway.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @77 Heisenbergcontext

    Thanks, It was a very sad and disturbing day for us. We lost one of our finest.

    And yes, as a new poster on here, I naively attempt to give absolutely everyone the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. I initially thought many of you were being much too hard on him, but alas, after searching back and reading his almost exclusive history of childish, misinformed, xenophobic rants it's quite apparent that I misjudged his character. It appears that the only joy he finds in life is via these perverse, almost sociopathic diatribes.
    I won't waste my time with him; he'll probably never realize until it's too late what a waste his chosen route in life is; so whom am I to point it out.
    I'm not into hatred; life is beautiful. Even yesterday.
    Cheers! ;)

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @77

    Funny, I don't notice things falling apart much in Mendoza. Pray tell, how do you notice things falling apart in Argentina -- from AUSTRALIA?

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @79

    “I'm not into hatred; life is beautiful. Even yesterday.”

    Great attitude.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    What a shock: a Canadian and an Australian making out cybernetically. What else is new.

    The problem is you two think the rest of the world hasn't caught on that ANGLOS only praise other Anglos, and do everything in their power to destroy all non-Anglo nations, to keep some weak-conceived notion of supremacy.

    Anglos are never friendly to non-Anglos, and their history, and current events, show it. Why should Argentina be friendly to you, when Anglo nations attack us on a daily basis?

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @80 & 82

    Pointing out all the various ways it's possible for an Australian to detect whether a country thousands of miles away is falling apart would be an insult to someone as intelligent as you, so I'll just point out one example that you might accept: there are a number of your countrymen, who consistently write even-handed, flawlessly composed posts, who have given specific examples of exactly how things are falling apart, as well as concrete explanations for why this is occuring. I trust them, ergo I trust their observations.

    If things are truly fine in Mendoza then great, but since you clearly have an agenda I hope you'll forgive my scepticism.

    I've sometimes said things to you that were rather mean and/or patronising. I regret that and apologise if your feelings were hurt. I also won't be baited into confirming your beliefs about the 'Anglosphere' by returning fire. For my part I can say, with a clear conscience, that that is a baseless accusation.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    The Anglosphere is a cabal, to keep others down. I get it, I don't think it is inherently evil to want to lend support to those of your own race, but it still remains the fact that it is what has been going on. Australians, Canadians, Americans, and British only see each other as worthy citizens of the world, everyone else are trash to be stepped on and not worthy of any respect as nations, societies, or individuals.

    I think it is interesting that you see my agenda “clearly”, but you think those that trash Argentina do not have one. The fact you fail to see any agenda on their part suggest that you may have one, or no? Simple rationtination.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @ 84

    There are many subtleties and nuances present in Argentine culture, as well as Latam generally that I'm not familiar with or are only dimly aware of, and I'm always willing to make concessions for that. The same is true for 'Anglo' dominated nations.

    I don't agree that the “Anglosphere is a cabal, to keep others down.” If that were true my country wouldn't have given Indonesia A$2 billion dollars after the 2004 Tsunami, but I do believe there is a subliminal feeling amongst many of us that we are superior to other cultures that are seen as less successful, and threatened when that situation changes. But I think that is just human nature and is, and has been present, in your own country's attitudes towards Chile, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay .

    For the record I believe many of things that been directed at you are repulsive, inaccurate and dishonest and sometimes inspired purely by the opportunity to garner praise from others, but if you continue to write things that are so easily disproved and just as gross in their generalisations about the Anglo world as their's are about your country...what do you expect?

    When you adopt the attitude of a victim people will trample all over you - that's just the way it is. The one thing no-one can take away from you is your self-respect.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @84 Heisenbergcontext

    You are a gentleman for attempting to reason with him, but obviously also a sucker for punishment. Me thinks you're going to have to wait until he outgrows his primitive tribalism before you witness any progress, but good for you regardless. It might require some travelling and actual anthropomorphic conversation with “foreigners” to realize that a person's nationality (or race) has almost zero to do with who they are as a person; and citizens aren't just a collection of homogenous, monolithic zombies defined by our passports .
    Why some people think politic boundaries “make-the-man” is beyond me. Generalizations are for the lazy mind.
    What he doesn't realize is that he is much, much more similar to “Conqueror” than he is different (he'll understand that one day, possibly).Why do people most detest in others the very traits that they themselves processes most strongly?
    As for being a dreaded “anglo”, if he could see me and knew my background, he'd laugh himself silly (which would probably do him a world of good).
    Hockey game's over. Night-night. Hope all is well down-under.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @86 Derke

    I suspect Toby already knows all of the ( accurate ) things you point out, he simply isn't going to admit it here.

    “As for being a dreaded ”anglo“, if he could see me and knew my background...” Had to laugh - I'm in the same boat. Far away from his image of me I'd guess.

    Best wishes from 'straya.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I don't notice things falling apart much in Mendoza.

    Is the key word “much”?

    The stats coming out of Argentina are now worse than the Great Recession in the USA.
    Just wait until next year.

    I will laugh and laugh if this rolls out as I think it will.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @6 Paul
    For probably the first time on here I am in complete agreement with Paul. A decent gesture Argentina.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @85

    Your honesty is praiseworthy.

    @86

    I certainly can tell an Anglo regardless of their biological race. Every race / nationality has that 'something', that if you observe long enough, you can guess with 2 /3 accuracy a direct nationality, or at least partially an ethnic background.

    Look at Michael Jordan, or the US attorney general. No one would say they are French-Africans, or Italian-Africans, they are Anglos.

    For example, if pictures of races where allowed in the dictionary, this would be the picture next to he entry: “North American female from a southern state”:

    http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02596/murdershewrote_2596753k.jpg

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    @90

    Thank you Toby, I appreciate that.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @90 Nostrum

    The most embarrassing thread that I've read on here was one concerning what is the correct definition of an Anglo; as if it mattered. If you have to pigeon-hole people into ridiculous categories, you've lost your point before you've even started. I now see you've called Canadians “the scum of North America” previously. In my home city, Toronto, our largest (5.5 million), 52% of adults (18+) were born elsewhere in the world. Yet I guess we're all Anglos, right? (not that there's ANYTHING wrong with being an “Anglo”, whatever it is).

    Personally, I consider myself a humanist, a citizen of the world, and a Canadian (one-quarter Six Nations Mohawk by heritage if you must get into tribes). That said, I also sincerely concur with Samuel Johnson's, “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel”.

    You seem so sure of yourself with your tribalization of others. Is your judgement so obscured by hate as to believe that the pool of posters on here is in any way indicative of their societies or the world at large (or even that they are projecting their real personas)? The anonymity of the keyboard brings with it artificial bravado and hyperbole; including yours, I'm sure.

    The isolationism that you extol is not healthy for a family, for a community, for a country, or for a continent. As for your bizarre anti-Argentina conspiracy-theories, you simply flatter yourself (and your country).

    You obviously have some respect for those people that you are “debating”(?) on these boards; otherwise you just wouldn't care, as you so obviously do. Believe it or not, if you sat down with any of them for a chat over a cup of coffee (in person!), I expect you'd probably find them all pretty decent people, as they you (okay, not conqueror; I'll give you that one). I do realize that it may just be a way for you to cope with your current station in life, but don't let your views on this world be exclusively dictated by your computer screen.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    I think it is very important to determine what an Anglo is, just like in Canada it is paramount to sift out a Hispanic from a true white Canadian. I get it, I understand it. Contamination is undesirable if avoidable.

    But I have never claimed to be a decent person, that is for sure, and no one can find a quote with such a claim. I am argie, so I can't be decent anyway.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • brianF.I

    These are some of the best comments ever LOL, so b!tchy, so funny.

    Anyway good on Argentina for being so forward thinking about homosexuality.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    93. I see the stores are very worried about looting again this year.

    Yeah, all is well.
    Bahahahahaha

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @93 Nostrum

    “true white Canadian” “contamination”
    What the hell is that?

    You really need to purchase a ticket here and take a walk, and you'll stop making such silly, incendiary remarks. We are one of, if not the most ethnically diverse countries in the world. We are a multicultural country of immigrants.

    - A third of our population doesn't speak English as a first language.

    - We take 250,000 new immigrants per year (0.8 as a % of pop); the overwhelming majority from Asia (BTW, net immigration in Argentina is less than zero). And that total doesn't include refugees nor illegal immigrants. Like Australia, we are one of the most immigrant-friendly nations in the world.

    - Almost 25% of Canadians were born outside the country.

    - (On a side note) Outside of Israel and the USA, we have the highest proportion of Jewish population in the world (I have a sneaking suspicion that that might hit close to home for you; just a hunch; tell me I'm off base).

    - Despite all that immigration, the youngest, fastest growing segment of the Canadian population is aboriginal (First Nations); Canadians might have been racist-bigots way back in the 1800's, but we were never any good at genocide.

    And as for your “I have never claimed to be decent person”, that's just a lazy caveat for when a person wants to have a built-in, convenient, easy-out excuse for talking like an ass when they get frustrated and feel like being a thoughtless dick. It's been used by many. I'm not buying it.

    Cheers!

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @93
    “But I have never claimed to be a decent person, that is for sure, and no one can find a quote with such a claim. I am argie, so I can't be decent anyway.”

    That's why your comments are irrelevant to anyone who actually cares about your country's problems. You are one of them. ;)

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @84 Most Anglos aren't like Yankeeboy buddy... only the ones with influence.

    Oct 24th, 2014 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @97

    So what you are saying is that all comments by argentines are irrelevant.

    @96

    Immigration to Argentina is less than zero? Really? How does that compute with the facts on the ground? How did the millions of Bolivians, Chileans, Peruvians, Colombians, Dominicans, Paraguayans, Brazilians, Uruguayans, Chinese, Koreans, Jamaicans, Senegalese get here then? And those are just the ones in the last 30 years... forget about the invasion of EUians before that.

    Do you fact check yourself before stating such ridiculous garbage? Argentina a net expeller of people?? Wow, you really must know crapshoot, but it does teach me about the wonderful Canadian education system.... it sucks.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    99 snotty Nostrils

    ...people come, people leave... It's pretty simple.

    Dumbass

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 03:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @99
    Obviously, your comprehension skills are lacking. There are a number of Argentine posters here. My statement was pretty clear, reading you is a waste of time because of your own statement which accurately depicts you.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @99 Nostrum

    Yes, Argentina has more emigrants thant immigrants. It will take you 30 seconds of research to confirm this; and I'll await your apology with baited breath (or you can pretend you're done with this thread).
    BTW, you didn't comment on my “tell me I'm off base” assumption. Tell me I'm wrong?

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    Argentina exports people more than it imports.

    I'm starting to meet so many Argentineans in Melbourne. Even one of the guys in the pizza place on campus is Argentinean. Might also be a student, I'll ask next time.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @103

    No need to ask.
    http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ar&v=27

    Isn't it typical that of everything pointed out @96 that I wrote, he picks that little snippet (which is true), but doesn't address anything else. I have a 10th grade education (left school at 15 years old), but he somehow still can't keep up.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Livingthedream

    Well.. that's why they call Buenos Aires the Gay capitol of Latin America!!
    Let's all put on our tiaras and go to Marti Gras!

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    104. You'll find facts won't interfere with the firm beliefs of the Rgs on this board.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (104) DerkeBlake

    Just for you kind info...:

    http://www.iom.int/cms/en/sites/iom/home/news-and-views/press-briefing-notes/pbn-2013/pbn-listing/argentinean-immigration-from-nei.html

    Google is a good instrument.... you just have to learn how to use it...

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anglotino

    DerkeBlake

    Well as you can see from the above comment, nitpicking is pretty much all they are left with..... don't misspell anything, because that can use up a whole thread in a bid to avoid the article.

    However I did find the IOM website very interesting.

    They state an immigration rate of -0.5 per 1,000 for the period 2010-15 for Argentina.

    Thereby supporting your claim.

    Interesting comparison is:
    Canada with 6.3
    Australia with 6.5

    Argentineans are a good instrument.... you just have to learn how to use them...

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @108 Anglotino

    Yes, I've noticed that they aren't exactly prone to staying on topic. Although I must confess that their English is very impressive (far superior to my Spanish), if not their digestion and analytical skills.

    @107 Think

    Once again; my post was 100% accurate. Oh hum.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Based on the trend lines it will be de rigueur in Paraguay to have an Argentinian maid.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (109) DerkeBlake

    At (107) I posted a link to a concise document from the IOM (International Organization on Migration) that clearly and unequivocally states that in 2012/13 there were about 2,000,000 foreign born immigrants living in Argentina and some 1,000,000 Argentinean born emigrants living abroad...

    Yet, you tell us that...: “Your post was 100% accurate”...
    What post was that?
    Certainly not Nr. (102) where you tell us that...: “ Argentina has more emigrants than immigrants. It will take you 30 seconds of research to confirm this”

    Right?

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    “1,000,000 Argentinean BORN emigrants living abroad ”??

    - how do you keep track of that?

    - how many Argentine BORN have left and died?

    - how many (foreigners) arrived in Argentina, and then pushed off to somewhere else, where the social and economic climate was more welcoming??

    - how can we trust INDEC figures ??

    Not really the whole story, is it Argie Turnip??

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 112

    Lunatic doesn't know about the 100,000 or so argies that have come to Uruguay in the last two years.

    Whilst I was waiting for my full residency a big nosed argie came into the office and tried pushing his way to the front, but before I could say anything another Argentine just stood in front of him and pointed at the back of the queue but never said a word.

    The argie meakly went to the back and stayed there. Bluff called and failed: I bet he puts in for a Malvinas Loser's Medal.

    Oct 25th, 2014 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    This has been a most interesting thread with many topics discussed. That gay Russian chap, and those that saved him from persecution, would be very proud if they knew.
    Now I just need to wait for CD2 to shout “political correctness gone mad” and call me a Marxist again.
    Ho hum. ...

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    boring toy
    ”- how many (foreigners) arrived in Argentina, and then pushed off to somewhere else, where the social and economic climate was more welcoming??”

    most of the immigrants from neighbouring countries
    come here to have access to free education and free health care.
    something they cannot get in their own countries.
    and they stay here permanently.

    got it now, boludou?

    113 christine
    they will not give you a full residency because of your police records.
    and it is totally different for an argentine to have full residency in uruguay.

    you know because of the mercosur and stuff, you 1/4wit

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    114.
    Damn, you are a coward and a bit of a cheat aren't you?? You know damn well I will always give you a well based argument. No need to take your stuff elsewhere... Or is it that the feminist needs a couple of men in shining armor to come and save her?? Or is it attention you are after??
    Oooops

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    115 simple nino

    How many immigrants do you think are disillusioned with Argentina - not what it was... and getting worse.

    Argentine women who want out, are latching onto wealthy or even not so wealthy North Americans, to get to the U.S.

    Others like “Sussie”, are setting up businesses in Vegas and Miami.

    Just ask CFK

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @117

    Funny, all I have ever read from Asians, Euros, and Mexicans is how North America as a land of opportunity is the biggest lie ever told. Of course many still choose to stay, but not because it is better, but because it is the the least worst option.

    Wouldn't be too cocky if I were you.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 03:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @111 El Think

    This thread is getting rather tedious, monotonous and banal; but I just got in so I'll play along for a minute (plus I'm pissed after salsa).

    You really want to split hairs on this? Argentina has historically (now let me say that again, “historically”) been a country with an inflow of immigrants, obviously. However, recently (2010+) Argentina has had a negative (or neutral) net outflow of legal immigrants (or emigrants, if you wish); as shown on the data (we're NOT talking accumulative, so please note that).

    Why? I haven't a clue. Not my concern. I could guess (good people, wonderful country, crappy government?), but it would be just a guess. I do know that we (Canada) receive 250,000 new immigrants every year (plus refugees), despite being stuck under a metre of f**k'in snow and freezing our asses off for five months every year, and our growing season is four months long (yet we are the 6th largest exporter of agricultural exports in the world ........ just thought I'd stick that irrelevant fact in there because I'm an ass).
    Why would anyone come to the frozen north over paradise in South America?

    Something is wrong there. You should be the wealthiest country in the world, and everyone should be lined up to get into Argentina before us (seriously, it's f**k'in cold here!). You should be able to absorb a multitude of immigrants more than us.
    Please tell me why, when my son was there this past June and July, every one of his BA friends was searching for help in emigrating? I hate to see young people so disillusioned and void of hope concerning their future.
    At least you should be able to admit that, “hey, something is out of whack here”.
    Have a good evening.
    Sincerely,
    Derke

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    boring toy
    lol
    argentine women are too much gorgeous to latch onto wealthy or not so wealthy north americans, you ass.
    clearly, that was your case to get out from the tiny islets.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    120 nino

    Heard it first hand from 3 Argie girls, already in Canada,

    ”They ( Argentine girls) will tell you anything, just to get you to take them to Canada”

    They know better than you do.

    Mind you, nobody would take YOU with them, nino.
    You're stuck there, never to leave, as your future and your children's future,is robbed by the

    And yet you support your system and their lies.

    Who is really the biggest loser,
    Nino?

    Imagine, betrayed by your very own countrymen, whilst we live in freedom and relative affluence.

    Yep, laughing at you.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @116

    Quite a bizarre post! Are you feeling unwell CD2? Have you got a high temperature?

    You sound feverish. I recommend full bed rest and utter silence for a few days.
    :)

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (119) Derke Blake

    From my point of view, it's you “splitting hairs”
    Take a good look at your own link...:
    http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ar&v=27
    It says that since 2008 to 2012 the net migration in Argentina has been a perfect “0”.....
    Not +5, +2, +1; -5, -2, -1 or whatever....
    Just a perfect plain “0” during 5 years of economic boom in Argentina..... Don't you Think it's odd?
    Now take a good look at my link...:
    http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ar&v=27
    CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

    About people cueing to enter cold Canada....
    Let me tell you that they are also Cueing to enter the cold land of my ancestors in Scandinavia...
    Why?
    As the phrase coined by one of Clinton's aides says...:
    “It's the ECONOMY..........., dearest.”

    Now, to your son perception of Argentineans lust to emigrate....
    Am I correct in Thinking that your sons contacts in Argentina were middle/high class, well educated Argies frustrated by a seemingly endless economical crisis?
    Well... that class has,sadly, emigrated at a constant rate since the seventies...
    But at the same time we have a much more massive immigration of underprivileged workers from Ecuador, Perú, Bolivia and Paraguay...
    Something is seriously “out of whack” in Argentina, indeed.... has been since the 1950's....
    And the present administration is the only one since then trying to put things “in whack” again...

    Saludos
    El Think

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  • yankeeboy

    Hmm, Is Think saying that the reason Argentina is devolving is because hard working “white” middle/high class Rgs are leaving and being replaced by lazy darkies?

    I think so.

    Not surprised tho

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  • CabezaDura2

    122.
    You want to play “the nurse” on me ilsen??

    :)
    :

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @125
    Well you sure need one. Unfortunately I don't posses the necessary psychiatric qualifications, so must politely demure.
    :)

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Im pretty sure you posses all other necessary qualifications and skills for the task. Denise Milani is one so why cant you ?

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    119 DerkeBlake
    ..“ despite being stuck under a metre of f**k'in snow and freezing our asses off for five months every year”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6zzbxq7ezI

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  • Think

    (128) Marcos Alejandro
    Thanks...
    Best laughter of the day!
    That Toronto Argie sound soooooo familiar :-)))

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    124 YB

    He is also saying only the Kircheners have been doing anything about it.

    What, like taxing businesses to death (literally), nationalising companies like Aerolineas and saturating the ranks with unproductive La Campora 'workers', creating a Socialist utopia ?

    Why would educated or middle class Argentinians risk investing in their own country when there is no future for them there?

    No wonder they left, and the economy is stagnating.

    Only a Kirchnerist like Turnipboy would see this as positive.

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    129 Think
    :-)

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @125 CD2

    Keep dreaming...
    ... it's all you have left. Even I am not so cruel as to trample on a broken man's dreams...
    :)

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  • DerkeBlake

    @123 El Think

    Yes, you're right; it says Zero. Let's (conveniently for me)call that a rounding error, and go to the World Bank, which shows that Argentina has a negative net immigration of minus 99,998 from 2009-2013 (Canada during that time was at + 1,099,999; and we're smaller than you!).

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.NETM

    Can we put that horse to bed now please? My original statement (@96) is correct: ”We take 250,000 new immigrants per year (0.8 as a % of pop); the overwhelming majority from Asia (BTW, net immigration in Argentina is less than zero)“. It's obvious by my preceding statement that I was talking ”current“ immigration; ”accumulative and historically” would be ridiculous.

    Yes, you are correct. My son was studying Spanish and staying with a friend's relative in the Belgrano (is that correct?) area of BA, which he said was a good area of the city. He absolutely loved it, and didn't have a single bad word to say about this stay, period. Wonderful people, wonderful time. The only issue he had was that he apparently fell short as far as maintaining the socially acceptable rate of partying into the wee hours of the morning before classes. He'll be going back next summer. The only thing he found strange was the constant (I'll steal your term)lust that all the kids his age had to emigrate. I sincerely find that disheartening, for both the kids and their parents.

    Anyway, I'm out for the day. Cheers,
    D

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  • Troy Tempest

    Derke,

    It IS sad to think that emigrating and leaving their families behind, are correctly perceived as the best ways to fulfill their future potentials.

    At one time, the poor from Europe, and later the European war survivors, emigrated to ARGENTINA and NA, for a better life.
    My family included.

    Now - the Argentinians are leaving too, for the U.S. and Canada.

    I can see why Snotty, El Niño and other Argie Trolls are in denial - for those left behind, it's a tragedy.

    And we all know, El Niño and El Snotto are going nowhere - no money, no marketable skills, no proper educational qualifications.

    LOL !!!

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  • Think

    Disheathening indeed.....
    But as a consolation, I can tell you that about 60% of INVAP'S technical staff (The guys that make them satelites you are so fond of) is composed of returned Argentineans...

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  • CabezaDura2

    132.
    Yeahhh.... So in other words you do want me to have those thoughts and fantasies cross my mind. : 0

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  • ilsen

    What you do in the privacy of your own home, and who you do it with (or without!) should be your inalienable human right.

    Which brings us rather neatly back on topic. (thank heavens!)

    As I said previously, i think it rather wonderful to see such progressive, modern thinking in Argentina and those involved should be applauded and respected.

    Well done them!

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  • CabezaDura2

    Argentina is going to fall at the hands of the cultural marxists like yourself and use political correctness to promote their agenda.

    http://www.urgente24.com/232105-quieren-darle-poder-al-inadi-para-cerrar-paginas-webs

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    “Cultural Marxists”???

    What does that mean?

    BTW, your link is in Spanish or Portuguese, only.

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  • ilsen

    “cultural marxists”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! me? a marxist?
    wtf???????
    did you just invent that? Hysterical! omg!!!
    I'll answer you when I have picked myself up from the floor from laughing!

    Oct 26th, 2014 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Anglo Turnip at (140)

    For an Argie far-right fella' as CaraDura2..., you are indeed a Cultural Marxist...
    You with your sickening views about women, minorities, dog puppies and similar nastinesses....
    If it stood in his power, weaklings like you (and yours truly) would be pushing up daisies...

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  • MagnusMaster

    @138 That has nothing to do with cultural marxism and everything to do with CFK's attacks on media that critizices her. They are just using political correctness as an excuse to try to shut down websites they don't like. Fortunately, they lack the resources and knowledge to properly censor the Internet, but we shouldn't let the guards down.
    I personally would love to see racist scum and trolls like those on this website to get a very, very close eye from the police and a scare every once in a while... maybe then they learn to behave.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @135 El Think

    That is good and encouraging news. Let's hope that such opportunities continue to present themselves so that you can continue to retain (and retrieve) your best and your brightest.

    Believe it or not (if it is accurate), $250 million is not a bad price for such an animal. You may find yourselves with a commercially marketable unit on your hands once it has proven itself; which I have no doubt it will.

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  • CabezaDura2

    142.

    Its cultural marxism, the root of all curruption in western society and the genocide of western traditional values and culture. That is the first step, have you seing what is going on in Europe?? Its insane.
    Multiculturalism, feminism, non responsability and entitlement culture?? We already have single mothers who marry to the State and get AHU's and other kinds of subsidies, because single mums are “heroes”, sluts and whores are modern decent women, being a currupt gangster like Grondona is being a genius of argentine football now that he is dead, Cafiero who made a carrier out of politics and robbed a piano was an emblem and a transitional figure in difficult times, priests and the Pope is a Good charitable man telling the country that defending ourselves from criminals is wrong and that we should turn the other cheek to the overwhelming power of the State and the criminals.

    I feel like the entire world is going insane and more idiotic ever more

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  • MagnusMaster

    @144 I have heard about the insanity in Europe, fortunately here the disease hasn't spread so far and it is only used for political gain. The corruption we have has little to do with cultural marxism.
    The world has been insane and idiotic for a very long time. At least since the British took over the world and came up with Social Darwinism, and that system is still in place today though it is now the USA that controls it and they used cultural marxism as a way to make the White Man's Burden less obvious. And it worked because now everyone believes that we are all equally human which is BS, because we are still in a global apartheid regime.
    We are still in a world where there are superior “productive Anglos” humans who are allowed to develop industry and are granted rights and inferior “lazy and corrupt Latinos/Rgs” idiots (like yankeeboy says) who work in sweatshops and plantations as wage slaves. It is no coincidence every neoliberal, everyone advocating free market and “sane” economic policies as an evident truth believes Argentina should be an agrarian country where a lucky few survive as wage slaves working on soy and wheat plantations while the rest starves.
    These people are nostalgic for the Argentina of the 1880-1930 period where we were ruled by aristocrats who literally believed the English were the master race, wanted to wipe out not only the indigenous people but also latinos (which backfired as their immigration policies resulted in a latino invasion) and everyone was a wage slave working for peanuts. These people forget that our population increased by five, automation decreased the amount of work needed, and we are in the 21st century so a wage slavery regime is no longer acceptable.

    And before you say anything yankeeboy: everything you and your ideology says is that we are inferior latino peasants who must starve farming because you are superior. It's the exact same thing the Social Darwinists said 100 years ago. You are proof of everything I say.

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  • DerkeBlake

    @128 Marcos Alejandro
    Sorry, missed that post. Just watched it.
    Bien Hecho.
    I can laugh at it now. In another month, I won't see the humour in it.
    ;)

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  • yankeeboy

    145. Is that your “unibomber” manifesto? Sheesh that posts is chock full of persecution complexes, delusion and out right lies.

    Argentina has failed for 75 years since you went “a third way”. Until you adapt a free market economy, respect contracts and the rule of law you're doomed to get poorer and dumber every year.
    The only people dooming Argentina are Argentinians.
    Grow up and accept responsibility
    and for gosh sakes pick up an decent economics book its not voodoo.

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  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Behind all the veneers of sophistication, the Anglos are in fact, quite worthless. All they achieved was through conquest and robbery, and as pointed out they are the founders of Racialism, and modern racism / Darwinism. They are the ones that implanted this system in many regions of the worlds, they are the ones that sold millions into slavery, that exterminated millions more in America, Africa, Oceania, and Asia, they are the ones that divided the Middle East into unviable inexistent states without regard to tribal/ethnic/religious considerations, they are the ones that drove hundreds of species to extinction in the 17-18-19th centuries, they are the ones that hew all their forests, they are the ones that went on the last war of aggression.

    It is truly a revulsive record and they there accuse the Germans, French, Spanish, Argies, whoever their “racial /moral inferior du jour” is of transgressions against humanity.

    Heck they even killed the Neanderthals!

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  • MagnusMaster

    @147 I know the product of free market in Argentina every single time was making everyone a starving farmer. Today it would be even worse than 100 years ago given the automation of agriculture. When the free market feeds us like it should then I will reconsider.
    The free markets aren't a salvation for everyone and you are delusional if you think otherwise. They make a third very wealthy, a third wage slaves, and a third starve. And that is optimistic. Just because it is better than communism does not mean it works for everyone.
    I would like respect for contracts and the rule of law but we are already doing the best we can. Of course for you that will never be enough.

    And it is false that the only people dooming Argentina are Argentinians. There are plenty of traitors and mercenaries in our country, but every state has interests, and obviously there are some that are against us, and very powerful ones. So don't try to deny any responsability.

    I know that what you mean by accepting responsability you mean to starve to death. You hate us and want us to starve, that is everything you said. You are no different than the Arab terrorists.

    And I read many economics books. But none of those you call decent address the fact that
    you cannot feed 40 million mouths with soy or wheat or some other crop, yet that is precisely what the free market wants.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Bravo.

    Modern Capitalism is sh!t.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Magnus, I think you are deranged.
    Do you think 66% of the USA/UK/EU/Canada/Australia/Japan are either starving or wage slaves?

    WTF kind of Rg b/s propaganda to you listen to?

    You are a pathetic loser doomed to wallow in your own misery.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @151

    Uhm, hello... That's because you have rigged the system due to the “first dibs” clause!!

    And anyway most people in those countries are just scratching to get by, many are going BACKWARDS (middle-class is shrinking everywhere and please stop with your 'socialist propaganda crap'... both LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES agree on this one), and social mobility has all but collapsed: if you are born poor in the US, UK, Germany, Italy, Japan, etc, you are almost guaranteed to stay poor.

    Wallow in your fantasyland which is not the reality above.

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  • CabezaDura2

    152.

    Never has the State being bigger in Europe and the US. Why dont you talk about East Asia Tigers??

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  • yankeeboy

    you are almost guaranteed to stay poor.

    The difference between my country and your disgusting socialist has been country is the world ALMOST

    In your country you if you are born poor you will die poor.

    Take a look at the Forbes 500 and tell me how many people on that list inherited their fortune.
    You won't do it but no matter
    the answer is not many

    You Toby, will die poorer than your parents. Me and my siblings will not.
    Each and every generation for as far back as I have done research is more educated and wealthier than the last generation. That's typical here.
    It is a miracle in Argentina.

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  • MagnusMaster

    @151 All of those countries, except maybe Australia, are industralized. There are not many jobs that pay well in agriculture, and experience has shown that investors in Argentina during free market experiments prefer to speculate instead of investing to improve productivity.
    I don't listen to propaganda, just the history of my country.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    155.
    You need to learn economics.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woLq1qVFyMA

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @145

    This anglo racial conspiracy, is it directed just against Argentina, or against the whole of Latin America? If it's directed just against Argentina, why exactly was Argentina singled out? If it's directed against the whole of Latin America, why are so many of the other victims doing so much better than Argentina? And why are the BRICS apparently not at all keen for Argentina to join their group? Is that another racial conspiracy?

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gavin H

    @ANGLOTINO
    “then you are even stupider than your comments make you out to be”

    Kind of negated your whole post by using “Stupider”.

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  • yankeeboy

    Cd, Magnus is a lost cause and the reason your country is doomed. I feel sorry for you, its got to be like the only sane person living in a nut house.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    who the hell is 'Gavin H' ?

    After all the various, and varied, discussions on this 158 post thread, he picks one phrase, from 155 posts ago, to comment on in a goady manner and doesn't even refer to the article? So many important issues have been discussed here, plus a few 'jokey' posts, and he picks a point of grammar?

    I smell troll...
    :)

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    What I think is very funny but really odd with Rgs, and its not just the Rgs on this board mind you, you can show them something, see this works really well, here and here and here, but for gosh sakes they will moan and groan and tell you 1000 reasons why the same process won't work in Argentina.
    Why are they so stupid?

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    160 ilsen

    ...a someone with a love/hate fixation on poor Anglotino.

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  • CabezaDura2

    159.

    You get the idea with what Magnus wets his panties with.

    http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/suplementos/cash/17-8038-2014-10-27.html

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    163. I think I threw up a little when I read that. Gads these people are stupid, but so stupid its actually dangerous.

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gavin H

    @160 ILSEN
    If someone is going to make grand self proclamations of superior intelligence then.....they better have some.
    At the very least have good grammar. I not talking typos.
    I like this bit “ God if you has kids, let's hope they take after the milkman.” Sounds better in a Jafrican accent.

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  • MagnusMaster

    @157 I wouldn't call it a conspiracy but the results of the racial prejuidices of a global empire. But yes, all of Latin America and Africa, at the very least, are their target. The Americans have a particular hatred for Argentina, I think they hate us almost as much as their axis of evil.
    The reason some Latin American countries are doing better than Argentina is partly because CFK is an idiot, and partly because those countries that are doing well are bending over to their overlords, but don't think they will never be anything more than second-rate lapdogs as long as they do that.
    We aren't ready to join BRICS, there's no conspiracy there.

    @161 Either it is because it has been tried several times and didn't work, and/or because it is obvious that it cannot possibly work. It is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. You can fit a square peg in a thousand square holes, but you aren't even going to fit it in a round hole.

    @163 Not quite.

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  • yankeeboy

    166. The only reason any American knows anything about Argentina is from the movie/play Evita.
    We couldn't care less whether you all live or die.
    You're certainly not competition for us and have nothing we want.

    I think you are mentally ill.

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  • ilsen

    @165
    I see “President Putin's non tolerance policies” (ref: headline) are still alive and well... Not sure what accents have got to do with grammar though...
    One more thing.
    “I not talking typos.”
    Nope, you're not. Read it out loud.
    :-)
    Unless I can trust that this was an example of your supremely understated yet sophisticated wit?
    Not a massive howler from the self-appointed Captain of The Grammar Police?
    :)

    Oct 27th, 2014 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @166 I don't care about the average American, I was talking about the ones in the government and those with influence, who happen to be a lot like you

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  • yankeeboy

    As far as i can tell Argentina has been blacklisted since Timmerman boarded our Military jet. We totally fcked with you on paying the ICSID, PC, Repsol with a hint we may release funds at IDB/WB/IFC/IMF. So that was a good bit of payback but I don't think we are near done.

    Peron chose a side and it was the wrong one.
    Now you're paying the price
    and so will your great grand children
    :)

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  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Wait...

    @170

    You said @147 that:

    “The only people dooming Argentina are Argentinians.”

    @170, you clearly insinuate otherwise

    “Argentina has been blacklisted”
    “Peron chose a side...”

    Pretty funny that you think people won't notice you talking both from your orifices, especially when done in the same thread on the same day! What a doltish dunce.

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  • yankeeboy

    Do you think there are no consequences to your childish antics and destructive actions?
    Argentinians have brought all of their misery upon themselves.
    You've burned every bridge, spit on and tore up every contract and agreement. You're unreliable and untrustoworthy.

    You're doomed.

    I can't wait until next year.
    How are the blackouts going?

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    Consequences? What misery? Things look pretty normal in Mendoza. Two months away from my earned 10-day vacation.

    We have burned every bridge and spit and torn every agreement with YOU, and with the Brits, and the Euros, because we could give a rat's ass about you.

    As long as Ebola doesn't get here, it isn't our problem.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Enjoy the blackouts, massive layoffs and the annual holiday riots.
    Tick tock

    I'll be watching and smiling.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    And you enjoy the mass shootings, quarantines, and annual tax fleecing from your congress.

    I'll be watching too.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Everything is fine here. The biggest issue I have is trying to figure out if I'm going skiing or the beach for winter break. Its been an incredible year and next year looks even better.

    Did I just read 3 12 yo kids in BA stabbed a 10 yo boy in school?
    I also heard the schools to the south of BA are having trouble with all the kids getting robbed and beaten while their walking to and from school. Crazy numbers like 90 kids getting robbed so far this year at one school alone.

    I've told you before you live in fear and you'll never understand what its like to live in a civilized country.

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  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    So in the south side of BA they kids get robbed (90 of them!), in the south side of Chicago... something like 51 under 18 kids have been shot dead.

    What do I prefer, 90 kids being robbed, or 50 MURDERED??

    Hard choice.

    In civilized countries, we choose the former. In yours, the latter.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    177 SNOTTY

    Sure... a cherry-picked stat.

    Is it even real??

    51 murders? When, where?
    Over what period of time?
    Gangsta's or school kids??

    Any links?

    Really, you've said nothing.

    :-)

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @177 Nostrum
    @178 Troy

    Kindly let me jump in for a second.

    - Argentina has a HIGHER murder rate than the USA, and one that's now FIVE TIMES higher than Canada. This has been pointed out to you numerous times, and you know it's factual, yet you still post macabre crap like that, as if it's making a point. You're being ridiculous, and you can do better.

    I don't believe I have to post this again; but I will for Troy's sake.
    From a week ago, Troy.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    The number of homicides in Argentina is consistently under-reported by at least 1100/year, or about 20-25%; because of the large number of cases that the police record as “death by unknown intentionally external aggression”; which are not even recorded as homicides.
    In Canada, for instance, ALL murder, manslaughter and infanticide is included in their “homicide” total; which is now less than a third of that of Argentina, even with their skewed statistics (and the fact that every third household in Canada owns a gun).
    --------------------------------------
    (PS I was initially wrong when I said a third, and subsequently corrected it; it is actually less than a fifth).

    www.lanacion.com.ar/1629153-cada-dia-dos-personas-de-entre-15-y-29-anos-son-asesinadas-en-la-argentina

    You really do need to grow up. None of the statistics are anything to brag about (even Canada's). But to talk like you do about dead kids is just bent and shameful.

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  • yankeeboy

    I remember a while back I told Toby, and every Rgidiot on this board the next recession will be worse than any other they've ever seen.
    Most of the Rgidiots called me a liar, stupid, etc etc they said nobody was saying the downturn would be lengthy or deep and it would probably be like 2009.
    All of the Rgidiots may want to read Clarin Ieco this am:
    http://www.ieco.clarin.com/economia/economia-enfrenta-oscura-ultima-decada_0_1237076459.html

    I keep saying, this coming depression/hyperinflation will be like something nobody on this board has ever seen.

    It will be deep and ugly and there's nobody that will want to help Argentina.
    Nobody.

    It will be fascinating to watch.

    Psst...btw I also mentioned you may not want to count on the chinese $. I hear the Dams are already delayed...bahahahahahaa wait for the cross default announcement. You think things are bad now. Just wait.

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  • CabezaDura2

    164.
    Its the kind of thing that makes me sad, not because they can do it and I know it will backfire on them, but that people still think in that way, the odd part is if one asks them if they are communist, stalinists or marxists and they deny it.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    181. If you look just as the comments from Toby and Magnus it is easy to see there is a sickness in your society, a mass delusion. You can point out, and I have, what will happen, how it will happen, why it happens when these horrific Peronista policies are followed. For gosh sakes its right before their eyes. One would think a foreigner wouldn't have to point it out.
    And yet rather than agreeing with common sense, tried and true world standard practices, they refuse to believe that they'll work in Argentina. It is exhausting and fascinating and it is the very definition of insanity.

    One of the reason I watch Argentina so much is the fear that the USA could become it. Obama is the most like a South American Dictator for a Prez than we've ever had. He was trying to get more people addicted to welfare, subsidies, gov't handouts but thank goodness we've stopped him. Now that the Senate is changing we should be able to push back the agenda even more.
    Its too bad your population has reached the inflection point where poor people vote themselves gov't handouts. The only path forward is a complete and utter breaking of the economy and society and 2 generations of people starving to finally wake up and do the right thing.

    I feel sorry for you. You live in a mad house.

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  • Troy Tempest

    179 Derke

    I remember what you wrote previously, and I agree that it's accurate and pertinent.

    I think you must have misinterpreted what I have said - I do not understand why you are taking exception to me.

    I fully agree that Snotty's comments on dead children is abhorrent.

    Please explain.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Half of BA is in blackout right now. Part of the reason is they don't have enough U$ to import parts to fix the grid.
    I can't wait until this totally collapses.
    Shouldn't be too long now.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Nostrum of NostrolL

    @179

    You sir, are LYING. You are a liar and an argentine HATER.

    There is NO underreporting of murders, that propaganda not surprisingly enough, is to be read in the commentary section in this website... from people like you, and Troy, and Yankeeboy, and Anglotino, et al... the argie haters. Not even Mercopress has ever reported such a claim.

    You, as expected, have joined the rank of the racists mentioned above. I can smell you from 12.000km away... then you wonder why I was never nice to you.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @182 “ You can point out, and I have, what will happen, how it will happen, why it happens when these horrific Peronista policies are followed. For gosh sakes its right before their eyes. One would think a foreigner wouldn't have to point it out.
    And yet rather than agreeing with common sense, tried and true world standard practices, they refuse to believe that they'll work in Argentina. It is exhausting and fascinating and it is the very definition of insanity.”

    Each and every time your “common sense, tried and true world standard practices” have been applied in Argentina the result is that all vast majority of the population ends up working on farms as wage slaves (like most agricultural workers today), or starves because all the industry shuts down and the service sector cannot employ everyone (and that definetely won't happen in the future).
    And stop saying that is because we are lazy or corrupt so we don't deserve any opportunities, we are just as human as an American, so stop with the racism, and yes, it is racism, because you always think we are born inferior to Americans and will never be as successful as you.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @183 Troy
    My apologies; your misinterpretation is my fault due to my directional ambiguity (now that I've read it). I took no exception to what you said. It was solely intended for Mr. Nostrum (why I even bothered, I don't know). I only put your name at the top to ensure that you read the linked article from Lanacion (hardly an “Anglo” publication).

    Basically (if you don't read Spanish)it says:

    “Two people between 15 and 29 are murdered in Argentina each day, and in 2011, according to the latest study, 794 young lives came to a violent end and such murders totaled nearly 5,000 which is the highest figure in 10 years”.

    Nostrum can rant all he wants; the truth is that the murder rate in Argentina is at least 0.5/100,000 higher than the US, and five times Canada's (@ 1.2 - 1.4/100,000), as the Argentina rate (sadly) is now over 7.0/100,000. But, how can I compete with such witty retort as “Lying. You are a liar, blah, blah, blah”.

    Mr. Nostrum has since ceased to be relevant to me, and as such I can't be bothered with him. His persona on here is that of a racist, xenophobic, tin-foil-hat conspiracy theorist who has no regard for accuracy or the truth (considering the bigotry he so proudly displays, I am certain his ancestors would be both ashamed and appalled (כן Nostrum, אני יודע)).
    Let's just hope he's able to mature a little and sometime in the future attains the ability to piece together a coherent presentation of his views.

    As for me being a hater, that is the most ridiculous comment of all.
    I defy anyone to find any personal attack or insult by myself to anyone, of any nationality. I find half of the stuff posted on these boards juvenile, offensive and unwarranted. No one can find a single malicious comment from me concerning Argentina (go ahead, do your searching). I even sent/send my son to school there (which he loved).
    This “Nostrum” has so embarrassingly demonstrated time and again that I care more for the Argentine people than he does. el fin.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gavin H

    168 ILSEN

    Nope and I'm not the one proclaiming myself as such either!

    I thought God did have a kid and in a fisherman's image not a milkman. I guess Anglotino missed that update.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 168 ilsen

    It seems you have picked up another admirer, one who thinks that there is a difference between a fisherman and a milkman.

    His critique of “stupider” would suggest he may be English. Stupider is becoming a common word in American English and he seems not to know this.

    You don’t think he is the new “Stevie”, do you? They both have similar traits.

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    189 Chris

    I am amused that any new poster appearing on MP who is argumentative and offensive, is now suspected of being another persona of “Stevie”.

    187 Derke,
    Thank you for your reply. I thought it must be something like that - you seem extremely even-tempered.

    It is unfortunate that the threads often devolve to racist insults and name-calling.

    I am quite sure that it is a deliberate attempt to derail actual debate or exchange of information.

    However, I think you will find that most of the posters on here are not 'haters' of the Argentine people.

    If they are like me, it is the anti-Falkland, and now, anti-US/ UK propaganda we object to, and those who use it for their corrupt and selfish ends.

    That being said, I can understand if some of the Falkland Islanders feel animosity to the Argentine people.
    Interestingly though, it is not them we see being hateful on here very often.

    Most of the Troll provocations are lazy racist jibes and lack any real conviction.
    I don't think they believe what they are saying.

    The ones I feel sorry for are the poor indoctrinated souls we see occasionally, the righteously indignant ones who reject all facts that refute their 'history'.

    Although they have been thoroughly debunked over and over again, the Peronists and Malvinistas simply repeat the same old lies.

    I feel I am very fortunate to be living in Vancouver, and not under CFK

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @190 Troy
    Cheers, agreed, and Seriously!
    Just finished the steak & prawn lunch special at the Troller (not Trolls!) in Horseshoe Bay. Heading home now. Hello to anther 604'er. The wind we missed last night is suppose to come tonight!

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    This whole thread has gone a bit bizarre.
    :-/
    I think this thread will eventually eat itself.
    :-l

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    191 Derke

    604'er, yes.
    Battening down the hatches at home right now - just walked the dog - rain is picking up, and wind just starting.

    If you are near Horseshoe Bay, you must have some big trees there - scary during a big blow!

    There are a number of us here.

    “pgerman”, moderate Malvinista, claims to work downtown as an engineer. I did see a Ford Escape with “AR” on the back, in that vicinity more than once, and another older “AR” badged Escape on my way in, a few times.

    There is a UVic Prof. who used to post.

    “El Kapitano” is a fake, pretends to be ex-Brit, ex-fishing Capt.

    “”Enrique Massot” is an Argentine Troll, claims to be from 604

    There were a couple more on the side of Goodness and Niceness, that were from here and posted only occasionally - the names slip my mind just now.

    It is helpful to have someone to assist in countering the Troll disinformation offensive. Or is that just 'offensive disinformation'?

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @193 Troy

    If you're ever on the north shore, email me for a pint (or dogs for walk!). I'll need some notice though, as I only check that email nightly.

    derkeblake@gmail.com

    Cheers,
    D

    Oct 28th, 2014 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    194 Derkeblake

    I hope that is a “throwaway” email address.

    I suggest you be very cautious who you respond to.

    I believe Captain Poppy said he has been receiving some very nasty (sick) emails, since posted his address.

    And there are posters like Stevie, Marcos Alejandro, Sussie, and Voice, who are always 'mining' for personal information - for some reason.

    Marcos might try the gambit, “ I am very familiar with Vancouver... ” etc etc...

    I shall write, though :-)

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DerkeBlake

    @195 Troy

    Cheers, Appreciate your concern and understand, but I have no worries. Anyone that screws with me is in for an extremely unpleasant surprise.

    D

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    196
    Voicey is already starting his 'sniffing for crotches, on another thread.

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gavin H

    189 ChrisR (#)

    “It seems you have picked up another admirer, one who thinks that there is a difference between a fisherman and a milkman.”

    Yes. We are in Love. In fact he is the Fisherman of the relationship and I the Milkman.

    “His critique of “stupider” would suggest he may be English. Stupider is becoming a common word in American English and he seems not to know this.”

    Says more about the bastard English you speak than anything else. I know...lets take out some random letters from words and pretend to the world that that is actually correct! Clever.

    You don’t think he is the new “Stevie”, do you? They both have similar traits.

    You have a trait...being a knob.....

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    “ You don’t think he is the new “Stevie”, do you? They both have similar traits.”

    Yes, yes I do.

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    199. Just give it a month or so, it will be clear enough when he has another break down.
    Its happened at least 3x that I can remember.

    Oct 29th, 2014 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    true

    Oct 30th, 2014 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British_Kirchnerist

    What a great principled socialist Cristina is, supporting Putin against fascist aggression in Ukraine while opposing, and helping the victims of, his regressive anti-gay policies. With such perfect balance no wonder she looks like a ballerina ;)

    Oct 30th, 2014 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Oh the gang is all back. They must have restored the internet connection at Hospital Borda.

    Oct 30th, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    “British Kirchnerist”
    has admitted he is a 'wind-up artist”, who posts ridiculous, complimentary comments about CFK, solely in order to get a reaction from us.

    Sad way for someone to get his kicks.

    Oct 30th, 2014 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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