MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Parlasur dialogue with Kelpers: a great opportunity lost
By Jaime Trobo (*) - Parlasur, acronym for Mercosur Parliament, decided to approve a declaration relative to the Malvinas Islands situation, and more specifically on the sovereignty conflict between the Argentine Republic and Great Britain, which has been ongoing for over 180 years with no reasonable accord. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesInteresting and thoughtful article. And Trobo is right that no one will ever be able to ignore the Islanders when it comes to dealing with the Falkland Islands.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0One point though, Parlasur is not an acronym but a portmanteau - like my name - however considering nearly every single Spanish speaker on here gets it wrong, it is hardly surprising that this mistake was made.
As we have always known, any committee in south america that meets to discuss this matter has one preconceived, preordained outcome.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once again south america shows the world that democracy means nothing to them.
Argentina has had 92 years to bring their so-called dispute to the ICJ/PCIJ and as a result of not doing anything have acquiesced to British possession. Add 'Conquest and Subjugation' 'immemorial Possession' 'Convention of Settlement peace treaty' 'Extinctive Prescription' and 'Self-Determination' into the mix and anyone with half an once of common sense will realise that the legal status of. The Falklands is NOT in despite. UN 2065 is dead, killed off by the 1982 invasion (the resolution stated 'peaceful' and the 'interests of the inhabitants' is no longer applicable because this has been replaced by 'inalienable rights of the inhabitants' brought about by changes in international law. Hence Ban Ki-Moon's comments, 'I don't think Security Council members Re. Breaching ANY ''relevant'' UN resolutions.'
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmmm.....
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The above MercoPress article states...:
“Parlasur didn't pay the slightest attention to this letter dated 25 September 2014, moreover in the hours previous to the 10 November session its existence was not made official. And versions indicate that the Argentine delegation, the only one consulted, rejected point blank that it should be made known and released, rather than admitting its existence...”
A previous MercoPress article stated...:
“Apparently the letter was read before Parlasur during the Sunday preparatory discussions of Monday's special session, and was booed and strongly rejected by the Argentine representatives who later received the support of their Mercosur peers.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/11/11/falklands-british-colonial-occupation-condemned-by-parlasur
I wonder...
Which of those two MercoPress's articles do you Think is telling porkies?
The first one?
The second?
Both?
As a matter of fact....., photocopies of the letter were distributed to all the participants..., said letter was read aloud to all members present at the Sunday's meeting AND unanimously rejected...
Saludos
El Think...
Nice article Jaime. The Parlasur response was precisely as predicted and hoped for. It was nice to speak with you when you were here 6 or so months ago and its nice to see that you're helping to keep them bastards honest.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think. You're right. The use of the word 'ignore' was the correct one to use but Parlasur didn't ignore the letter, they ignored their responsibility to consider it in the spirit of the UN resolution they bleat about given every inappropriate opportunity.
ICJ deadbeats.
Every single member of Parlasur should hang thier head in shame .
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The “above Mercosur article” might more correctly be described as “the above Jaime Trubo article”. There is nothing in it that is in direct contradiction to the previous article, it simply notes what went on behind the scenes before the histrionic display of emotional incontinence which is apparently supposed to be advancing the Argentine cause, such as it is.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4. Hey ho, Twinky can't tell the difference between a document being read out at a preparatory session and not being recognised officially, and a document being officially presented at an official session. But then latam has never understood honesty.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder what Parlasur would have lost by listening to a representative from the Falkland Islands government?
I think we all know. The Falkland Islands would have told the truth. It would have revealed the lies told by argieland. There are at least 12.
1. That Spain made an express reservation of its
sovereignty in the treaty of 22 January 1771 which ended
the crisis caused by Spain’s peacetime attack on the
British establishment at Port Egmont in 1770; (6)
2. That Argentina put a governor in the Falklands in 1823;
(1)
3. That Britain expelled the Argentine population from the
Falklands in 1833; (5)
4. That the Argentine inhabitants resisted the British
“invaders”; (2)
5. That Britain replaced the Argentine inhabitants with
British subjects; (2)
6. That there has been no international agreement to
confirm Britain’s possession of the Falklands; (1)
7. That Argentina has never accepted Britain’s possession
of the Falklands; (3)
8. That Argentina has never ceased to protest at Britain’s
possession of the Falklands; (6)
9. That Argentina’s claim is imprescriptible, i.e. eternal
unless freely given up; (2)
10. That the present Falkland Islanders are a temporary
population; (2)
11. That Britain’s possession of the Falklands violates the
territorial integrity of Argentina; (4)
12. That Britain seized South Georgia and the South
Sandwich Islands by force from Argentina. (2)
The numbers in brackets represents the number of times José María Ruda repeated these lies in his 1964 presentation to the UN.
Why wouldn't Parlasur want to hear about these lies? Who would want to hide them?
It is just more of the same old, same old.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least this guy TGW a few others in the Parliament of Uruguay recognize the ridiculous stance of the commie bastards in power. It’s just a diversionary tactic as far as they are concerned.
But WHY should the Falklanders even consider dialogue with a bunch of lying crooked bastards in TDC, the epitome of which is clear for us all to see in the lying arsehole @4, Lunatic himself?
on a more positive note...
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would appear that the more fuss Argentina makes, the louder it shouts, the more people are willing to examine the case in detail...
... as we see here, any resolution “ ... ”must be achieved ”taking into account the interests of the Islands population”, many of whose ancestors have been living there since the 1850s.”
We could always ask them? The population? perhaps in a referendum...?
oh... um...
seems memories are short. Or in short supply.
10 ilsen #
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Short memories?” or a blatant refusal to consider anything that doesn't support their case?
Trobo, you can't claim to be “impartial” if you propose that a “government” not recognized by anyone is invited to the dialogue which, because of that very UN resolution you quote, is and needs to be BILATERAL. Maybe your anti Argentine activism prevents you from grasping the basics of this issue, not to mention the many, say, “favorus” you have been offered by your tutor, i.e. , the UK.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0UNGA resolution 2065, which I believe is 'dead' due to Argentina's 1982 invasion, also stated that UNGA resolution 1514 applied and made no mention of conditions or exceptions to that resolution thereby confirming that the only possible solution acceptable to the UNGA was/is independence or some alternative as detailed by the subsequent resolutions from the GA 1541 and 2625.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before some malvinsta tells us that the Islanders are not subjugated or exploited as per Item 1 of UNGA resolution 1514 I would point out that item 5 of 1514 states: “. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.” I would submit that the “ all other territories which have not yet attained independence,” covered the case of the Falklands in 1965.
Argentina does agree that they (the Islands) are not fully self-governing, they spend enough time each year at the C24 proving it!
@12
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be interested to learn more about any 'favours' that the UK has been offering, or has given to Trobo.
Can you provide some links to supporting documents please?
Reviewing my above post (13) I am moved to speculate that perhaps Rosalyn Higgins in her Article in 'The Observer' on 2nd May 1982 where she states “No tribunal could tell her that she has to accept British title because she has acquiesced to it. But what the protests do not do is to defeat the British title, which was built up in other ways than through Argentina's acquiescence.” was she, obliquely, referring to the 2 ICJ Advisory Opinions that ALL NSGT's had the right to self-determination (there were only 2 at that time) as part of the 'other ways'?
Nov 15th, 2014 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Additionally in her book 'PROBLEMS & PROCESS International Law and How We Use it', first published in 1994, before her appointment to the ICJ, where she ultimately became its president, she makes mention of the Falklands situation, collectively with that of Gibraltar, and concludes with “If the territory concerned belongs to Argentina, or to Spain, then the inhabitants have no right to self-determination - anymore than would Spanish or Argentine nationals happening to live in the United Kingdom.”
Should that be the case 1514 could not apply could it?
With reference the above I believe it is 'of interest' that Rosalyn Higgins used the word 'inhabitants', the same as is used in Article 73 of the UN Charter, not 'population' or 'people' as the RG's like to bandy about!
Interesting piece in papers today that 69% of European taxpayers want Rgenweener removed from G20 due to it's economic woes and “behaviour” on the global stage
Nov 15th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chau, putos.:
Nov 15th, 2014 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The eighth article of the Charter of the Organization of American States (OAS), endorsed in 1967, reads:
“The Permanent Council shall not make any recommendation or the General Assembly take any decision on the application for admission of a political entity whose territory is subject, in whole or in part, prior to the date of December 18, 1964 set by the first Inter-American Conference, to litigation or claim between an extra-continental country and one or more Member States of the Organization, while it has not ended the dispute by peaceful means.”
It is better this way, any negotiations would confuse Argentina as they are under the collective influence of the facist primary education as we saw this can be very dangerous, Argentinians attacked British Journalists recently because they “thought the saw something”. This spurious claim invented by Argentina in the 40s is better left as it is. Argentina put their flimsy claim to the barrel of the gun and in violence it lost, that should be the end of the matter. The UK would do well to ignore all this, and let Argentina sort out their real problem which is purely internal and which she tries to cover with this invented external dispute created by the fascist Peron who wrecked the Argentine economy beyond repair.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile..., on another little meeting on the other side of the globe..., my boy Kicillof forgot his tie..., again!
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here he is, flanked by some Anglo ties...:
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/upload/news/diarioregistrado/5467686dcfbb1_crop.jpg
When was it I last saw an Anglo without a tie on a formal occasion...?Ohhhh , yes, here...:
http://www.diarioregistrado.com/upload/news/diarioregistrado/5467686dcfbb1_crop.jpg
Chuckle chuckle from Chubut...
@17
Nov 15th, 2014 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You went to war over the FALKLANDS and you lost, just get over it and have a nice day.
@17 2065 is dead. As Ban Ki-Moon said last year, 'I don't think Security Council members are breaching ANY 'relevant' UN resolutions.'
Nov 15th, 2014 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 02065 contained interesting words such as 'peaceful' killed off by the events of 1982 and 'interests of the inhabitants' which is no longer relevant because of changes in international law brought about by the right to self-determination and now has to read as 'inalienable rights.'
UNGA 2734 XXV part 17 'Urges member states to reaffirm their will to fully respect their obligations under international law in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Charter and to continue to intensify the efforts towards the progressive development and codification of international law.'
'interests of the inhabitants' all well and good in the 1960s has been replaced by 'their inalienable rights.'
OAS recommendations from the 1960s are meaningless.
@19
Nov 15th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe it is always preferable to dress informally when begging. Best results are achieved if one is accompanied by a scraggy old dog. However, I understand that 'your boy' had to leave it at home, recovering from a bout of distemper ; )
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/535739/Argentina-paid-millions-from-Uk-foreign-aid-budget
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/535739/Argentina-paid-millions-from-Uk-foreign-aid-budget
You can take any group of alphabet soup that you want - UN, ICJ, PCIJ, OAS, NSGT, UNGA, etc - and it is all meaningless save for one and that is UK. The Falklands are in the UK sphere of influence. This remains and shall for the indefinte future. All else is meaningless.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Parlasur, acronym for Mercosur Parliament
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it matters not,
the islanders have freely voted to remain British, and no one can do sod all,
its their free choice no one else's, so they should be left alone to get on with their peaceful live,
Argentina is so weak and pathetic it resorts to lies to try and bolster its arguments, as Conqueror says at 8) they are many.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until the lies stop, until Argentina grows up, until there is absolutely no hint of Malvinas mythology left...the islands will never cede to Argentina.
When finally Argentina admits the whole myth was lies and propaganda, when the likes of Think admit their inherent dishonesty and beg forgiveness from the islanders....then and only then can “normal relations” be established.
Once there are normal relations anything is possible...but it is impossible with the feckless dishonest corrupt scum in charg of Argnetina, with morons like Stink happy clapping them.
Perhaps we should all get into the habit of telling these argie government know-all's,
Nov 15th, 2014 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PROVE IT=the ICJ awaits.
Argentina would never go to the ICJ, even if the current Pope was running it.... He appears to be a honest man, so they'd be FCUK'd from the get-go.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uninformed Anglo Turnip at (27)...
Nov 15th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0O'RLY...?...:
“In 2010 the then Buenos Aires Cardinal declared: ‘The Malvinas are ours’, and last year he accused Britain of ‘Usurping’ the islands.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293598/Fury-Falklands-heroes-new-Pope-He-believes-Malvinas-belong-Argentina-president-hopes-support-case.html#ixzz3JAd62aRo
I can't imagine anything as useless Parlasur's parlatorio.
Nov 15th, 2014 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
28 Think Turnip
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was an article from the time of the Referendum 2013.
Weren't those remarks made before he was Pope - he MUST be more diplomatic now?
If not, let's put the enlightened Pope's comments in context with his other beliefs.
From the Think Turnip article:
“When the conservative Cardinal Bergoglio called for ‘God’s War’ on her government’s gay marriage proposals, Kirchner accused him of putting forward ideas ‘from the Dark Ages and the Inquisition’.
He replied that women were ‘too inept’ to hold political positions.”
To be fair, I can understand his feelings, if CFK is the only female politician he has ever met.
He sounds a lot like the Think Turnip, though.
@28
Nov 15th, 2014 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well that clinches it.
Cardinal - now promoted to Mr Infallibility - P.A. to the Omnipotent Omni Presence - declares Falklands are Argentine.
Who could resist such a proposition : )
17 José Malvinero
Nov 15th, 2014 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES
Part One Chapter II PRINCIPLES Article 3
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
a) International law is the standard of conduct of States in their reciprocal relations;
b) International order consists essentially of respect for the personality, sovereignty, and independence of States, and the faithful fulfillment of obligations derived from treaties and other sources of international law;
e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES
Article 11
Every American State has the duty to respect the rights enjoyed by every other State in accordance with international law.
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Article 20
No State may use or encourage the use of coercive measures of an economic or political character in order to force the sovereign will of another State and obtain from it advantages of any kind.
and here is, verbatim, part of the Argentine Constitution;
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0TEMPORARY PROVISIONS
First.- The Argentine Nation ratifies its legitimate and non-prescribing sovereignty over the Malvinas, Georgias del Sur and Sandwich del Sur Islands and over the corresponding maritime and insular zones, as they are an integral part of the National territory.
The recovery of said territories and the full exercise of sovereignty, respectful of the way of life of their inhabitants and according to the principles of international law, are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.
hmm... “ are a permanent and unrelinquished goal of the Argentine people.”
A change in the Constitution is required before any 'talks' start, methinks.
Although I note that this 'permanent goal' is listed under 'TEMPORARY PROVISIONS'.
How odd!
“Meanwhile, the Islands' population, that small community of three thousand people that challenges adverse conditions, including the indifference from its neighbors and even the harassment to its living conditions and relations with the world, is left aside in the debate and its opinion is not taken into account.”
Nov 16th, 2014 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0That pretty well sums it up; Argentina should hang its head in shame.
Argentina is not a true democracy, holding the occasional election and having democratic sounding institutions like a 'parliament' does not a democracy make. As long as Argentina continues to intimidate and harass the Falkland Islanders and opposes their freedoms, it will never be a democracy.
@ 19
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another nice pic of the-boy-without-the-tie: http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/174795/kicillof-says-debt-restructuring-is-a-g20-issue-all-countries-agree
(35) Kike Ushuaia
Nov 16th, 2014 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chiquito per cumplidor ;-)
Saludos Patagónicos del Think...
35'kike U
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...the-boy- ..., ”
Who else calls him that?? Only
El Turnip @36
Left sock, “Thinko”,
is there ever a Right sock ??
Ignore 'Think' the self-agrandising fool. Not worth responding to.
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0The issue here is; Should the Islanders take this 'olive-branch' or not?
I think yes, just to see what they say, and to put the correct history across. I think it is important to maintain lines of communication open, in the vague hope that eventually a change of tune in Argentina can be encouraged.
It is the only decent thing to do.
(but keep a Type-45 Destroyer close to hand!)
Confused Anglo Turnip at (38)
Nov 16th, 2014 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What “Olive Branch?”
Wrong thread...
Turnip!
“Meanwhile, the Islands' population, that small community of three thousand people that challenges adverse conditions, including the indifference from its neighbors and even the harassment to its living conditions and relations with the world, is left aside in the debate and its opinion is not taken into account.”
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is that statement supposed to bring some form of remorse from LATAM. Mercopress just ran a story how wealthy the people from the Falklands are, what did it say, hmmm, ten times the wage of Argies. Indifference to what? The name calling of the people on the post board. They foam at the mouth at the mention of Latin American countries. Rabies, maybe.
(40) Sallus
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0It could as well have said...:
“Meanwhile, the Islands' population, that small community of two thousand five hundred people, sit on their increasingly lardy asses and live high from the revenue of hundreds of pirate fishing licenses sold to slave fishing vessels from the worst corners of Earth...
A welcomed break in them Islands boredom are the veritable man hunts them Kelpers get to organize when one or more of those poor slaves jump ship...
When captured..., them poor yellow, brown or black bastards get to choose between going back to their slave ships or being deported and flown directly into the hands of their Slave Handlers...
Some choice...
41 Turnip
Nov 16th, 2014 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ it could as well have said... ”
It didn't.
And that's your opinion only.
I seem to recall a CFK wanting to deliberately destroy the ecological balance of the fishery and therefore the industry itself, by INVITING the Asian ( your “yellow men”) jiggers you speak of, to overfish the “Argentine Sea”
@40
Nov 16th, 2014 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Is that statement supposed to bring some form of remorse from LATAM”
I doubt it-but LATAM's ignorance of the islanders isn't actually helping Argentina's colonial aims is it?
Easy way for Argentina to get sovereignty over the Falklands=Persuade the Islanders that being Argentine is a good idea.
PS: You have more chance of colonising Mars.
It could well have said:
Nov 16th, 2014 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile the islands population of two thousand five hundred people exercise their inalienable right to self-determination and choose to be a British Overseas Territory rather than a 21st century colony of Arjuntina.
They chose to have control over all their day to day affairs except Foreign affairs and defence as opposed to being under the fascist jackboot of the corrupt regime of Cretina Fernandez de Kirchner.
It could have said that.....
Some more pictures of my boy Kicillof in Brisbane...:
Nov 16th, 2014 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Axel-Kicillof.jpg
http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Axel-Kicillof.jpg
But... Where's the picture with the Russian Chuck Norris?
;-)))
Well there goes both Argentina's claim to the Falklands AND to their own colony on the mainland turns out that Spain wasn't there first and all the Americas belong to Muslims...
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30067490
Offering no evidence and instead only relying on simple political statements by their leaders, it would be fair to say that their claim, should they make one, to the whole of south america, holds as much water as Argentinas own.
@46 Anbar
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great Article. But I think that Norway/Sweden/Denmark has even more right to the America's.
Perhaps they should put in a claim too! ;D
Not to “lose” such a “great opportunity”, are you British guys on the islands ready to meet the Governor of the Province of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctic and South Atlantic Islands in her capacity of Governor of the Malvinas too? Meeting should be in her official capacity, of course. Comments?
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Nov 16th, 2014 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perceived Official capacity more like, but I would think that she would not meet with us and put anything on the table ( apart from a good bottle of vino , red of course ) as you do not recognise us as a population. In the unlikely event of her wishing to visit I am sure we would have no problem with that. But I will not hold my breath.
49 Golfcronie
Nov 16th, 2014 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If she does come over, the Islanders could ask her where the bloody CT Scanner has got to, and when it can be expected.
@48
Nov 16th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed, she can come and explain the unmapped minefields, the human shields, the destruction of property and the wholesale loss of life in 1982.
She can be told that she represents absolutely NONE of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia or the South Sandwich islands.
She can also explain the usurption of Patagonia from the rightful inhabitants in 1880 and the Argentine genocide of Amerindians in her Province.
She can also attempt to explain why the Argentine government LIES continually at multiple international forums about the events of 1833. How the eviction of the 50 strong mutinous crew of the SS Sarandi was neither a usurption nor expulsion of an Argentine population or “authorities”
Should suffice for her first visit....when's she coming?
@48
Nov 16th, 2014 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When is she coming? The FALKLANDERS are extremely excited that the Governor of Tierra del Fuego is going to visit, come on bring it on, I will book my seat, Oh it will have to be in the open as the new Ghuerkin on the Island has not been built yet.
“””Uninformed Anglo Turnip at (27)...
Nov 17th, 2014 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0O'RLY...?...:
“In 2010 the then Buenos Aires Cardinal declared: ‘The Malvinas are ours’, and last year he accused Britain of ‘Usurping’ the islands.”“””
.. pretty amazing that somebody has to point out to you that he wasnt the Pope then.... for somebody so clever you are rather often incredibly stupid.
@Think, Argentinians should be ashamed of sending such a dirty looking tramp like Kicillof to such an important meeting.He looks unwashed in most photo's is this some kind of fashion statement THE FILTHY DIRTY LOOK???????
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0#48 No doubt if she requests a meeting with the Government of the Falkland Islands she will be treated with courtesy as all visitors are. Or perhaps she will do a Cobos and arrive like a deaf mute and leave as uninformed as when she arrived.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not holding my breath over this visit.
@55 If she did arrive she would be sent back, as she is on the same list as drug dealers ,peadophiles and tax evading money launderers....the unwanted list !
Nov 17th, 2014 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Governor of the Province of Tierra del Fuego, ”
The British founded Ushuaia-so it's British.
Falkland Islanders settled Patagonia before Argentina-get out squatters -Patagonia belongs to the Falkland Islands by first claim .
So that lady should be kicked out of British/Falkland Island territory back to BA.
Isollldddeeeeeeeeeee-you're the elected Islander responsible for claiming back Falkland Island territory in Argentina...........
I vote for Isolde! President of the United States of Patagonia & Ushuaia, the new FIOT!*
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vote Isolde for President!
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* Falklands Islands Overseas Territory
(I used have a Fiot 500.. no hang on was that a Fiat 500?)
:-) Go Isolde!!!!!!!!!
“Favours” are meant to appear as such. Period. It's not obvious this poorly supported guy makes his anti Argentinism a tool for campaigning. Malvinas is just a useful trick in his case.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0UNGA resolution 2065 is not only ALIVE but kicking! Don't forget UNGA reaffirmed all of its terms in 1982, exactly months after the war. See resolution 37/9 to confirm that the war did not put an end to the sovereignty dispute.
Islanders and simply not that. Most of them were not even born there. Besides, prove that an Argentine can go, freely reside and buy land. Of course, your HMG “governor” needs to be in agreement, right???
59 Al ..whatever...
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0...buy land... Governor... ?
er... yeah, I expect the FIG, the local Government, has something to say about that. It's their country, their community... probably they have their reasons, and will use their own discretion as to who they want buying land.
No reason for you to have any say in it - you must be incredibly stupid.
Land in Argentina is a different matter, however...
59 - Don Alejandro,
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland just does not get it. Those inhabitants are blinded by the windfall of oil money they are about to receive to relieve them of their pitiful existence. Problem is that based on the farce of the 'self determination' vote and the British Military stick that they can bypass the fact that they have to contend with Argentina. It is not their 'land'. Notice how you presented an official world document and the Brit completely disregards it. I will be lmfao when Falkland is forced to the diplomatic table. Troy proves his lack of credibility, again, period.
Muito Obrigao ao articulo.
@61
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that it? A 50 year-old non-binding resolution calling for peaceful resolution, which the UK respected, but Argentina violated by starting a war? That's your case?
@61
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no world document that states the Falkland Islands are belong to Argentina.
There is documentation that suggests there should be talks regarding sovereignty but Argentina demands sovereignty, so there is nothing to talk about.
48 Alejomartinez
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a few comments for you. Any politician from Argentina or anywhere else is welcome to visit the Falklands, provided they follow the usual immigration procedures and get their passport stamped and leave promptly.
If they want to stay longer, they are allowed to, subject to exactly the same rules that apply to anyone else. They either need to apply for a job, be appointed and get a work permit. Or they need to buy land or another business, live in the islands and make a go of their new lives there. There is no secret to this; I can't actually see what your problem is.
61 Sallus
You need to keep up a bit better. The Falkland Islands Government was ready and waiting to meet with representatives of Argentina at the Foreign Office. There was no question of being 'forced to the diplomatic table'; we were there and your people failed to turn up. We are more than happy to explain our position at any time.
61 Sallus
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“. I will be lmfao when Falkland is forced to the diplomatic table. Troy proves his lack of credibility, again, period.”
Silly girl, “Falkland” already came to the diplomatic table - representatives flew to London to meet Timerman when he DEMANDED a meeting with the UK Foreign Minister, Mr. Hague, to discuss “the Malvinas Sovereignty”.
...But Timerman did not show up - he hid in his hotel room !!
Perhaps he just got some spittle on his shirt the day before, as he was harangueing the British Press, the British public, and the British Government that he wanted to negotiate!!
@61
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It is not their 'land'
Yes it is-it isn't yours just because you want it-that is the attitude that Britain used to have in their colonial days-so sad to see that Argentina attempts to mimic the ex-British empire by displaying the same colonialist tendencies in the 21st century.
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