MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
UK will not support World Bank loans to Argentina; British public opinion against such aid
The United Kingdom contributions mostly through World Bank loans and aid to Argentina have again been questioned in Britain with demands on Prime Minister David Cameron to block British taxpayers cash going to the country which has 'precarious finances' and a long standing demand over the Falkland Islands sovereignty. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesif they use that money to buy the Griffin fighter aircraft (30% British components) wont the money come back to Britain then
Nov 17th, 2014 - 06:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Just Joking)
“International Development Secretary Justine Greening said: “I toughened up our policy in precisely that way several months ago. We do, therefore, take that stance and have been lobbying others. Unlike the Opposition, we do not want to see aid going to countries that do not need it or will misspend it.” ”
Nov 17th, 2014 - 07:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good for you, Justine Greening, good for you, David Cameron!!!
Argentina is ungrateful and contemptible.
Watch Argentina's government whinge and whine about this.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, first this is in the Sunday Express and about Cameron, two well known reliable sources of inaccurate facts.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can expect the continuation of foreign Aid money from Great Britain.
Not one red cent to the ungrateful creatures.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0No loans until they:-
1) drop their ridiculous “claims” to our territories.
2) stop indoctrinating their schoolchildren & others with the “malvinas”myth.
3) apologise at the UN for any trouble they have caused us.
4) start to re-educate their population with our version( the truth)of Falkland history.
5) give all these trolls a proper job, like repairing the roads or something else constructive.
Will think of other conditions later. lol!
Im happy about this, but my understanding is that WB loans to the Ks were already blocked. International financial organisms like IMF, WB, IDB others should no longer exist, they just finance corrupt and incompetent governments around the world that burden their peoples with debt and waste taxpayers money of the lending countries. I dont support either the use of foreign aid that has made Sub Saharan Africa into a continent of half starving beggars breeding like rabbits.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hector will be on the next flight to New York to complain at The UN.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just hang on while I go outside and listen: YES, I can hear sceeeewming from The Pink Whore House! (or Olivos)
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0;o)
@5. We don't use the 'cent' but I get the idea. One problem is the EU. 'Think' of the countries that probably support argieland. Italy (virtually broke), spain (virtually broke), portugal (broke) and Germany (headed downhill). Then there's the lack of transparency, honesty or accountability. Where are the audits? Britain should be able to say “No more of our money to our enemy”. But who would be able to tell? And there should be no EU-mercosur trade agreement. People should be telling their democratic representatives. I've told mine.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0We should not be giving money to “freeloaders” better to use the money for our own population. I see in earlier posts on other threads that the Argies think we have lots of poor people so why not look after no 1 “US ”
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't that this has a lot to do with UK public opinion, most of the UK are oblivious of what Argentina has been up to in recent years.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0The foreign aid budget in its entirety is an issue to the British public and a pledge from Nigel Farage to cut it to the bare minimum, which I fully support.
Anyone would think there was an important election about to happen - oh wait!
Sounds reasonable to me. The UK has granted loans for millions during the lat 20 years (I wonder what our local anti-uk folks will say about that), and all they´ve gotten in return is BS and insults.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get ready for another diatribe of BS from our government ...
What a strange situation that Argentina, a member of the G20 group, should require any foreign financial assistance in the first place - wherever it comes from. It doesn't say a lot for how the country manages its financial affairs but that has been the case for a very long time now.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have been calling for this for years.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Done Dave, good to know you are finally listening!
Just hope Polly is listening too. I invited him on multiple occasions to offer his thanks for this Aid. He never did tho...
This will get him off the hook nicely. Everybody wins!
:-)
(don't they ?????)
Lol
@13. Argieland is only a 'member' of the G20 for one reason. The 'proper' countries thought it might be useful to have a poor country to get an idea of the likely effect of policies on useless countries. It's served its purpose. Kick it out.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the past 6 weeks , BBC Top Gear has been petitioning the UN for the return of 3 cars that were stolen by Argentina .
Nov 17th, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of the Westminster press lobby think Cameron's actions are in support of Clarkson's claim .
David Cameron and Jeremy Clarkson are near neighbours as well as friends .
A school in Rotherham has already been renamed H982FKL in honour of the stolen cars .
A marathon in Widnes in support of the return of the 3 cars will be run in the new year .
The route will pass at least three kebab shops and chippies and most of the pubs in the town . Free cigarettes will be available .
A spokesman for the BBC said “ The cars are right hand drive , are registered in Great Britain and owned by the BBC , of course they are our cars ” .
The Argentines claim Uti possidesis and the governor of Ushuaia has already given the Porsche to his son as a christmas present .
HMS Iron Duke is in the region to reinforce the BBC's claim and a whole RM Commando have landed in the Falklands , ready to invade the mainland to recover the three cars .
Watch this space .
17.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will urging the Minster for Education in the UK to get some new maps printed for all schools, pronto!
Those nice new ones, where area of a small town in Argentina is in Union Jack colours.
I call for the 3 Cars to be liberated from the Colonial Oppressors. Now!
They shouldn't be squatting in other people's cars.
Bastards!
england did not lend a shite.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it was the world bank, and clearly the opinion of england does not count.
so who cares if fatty camoron is being urged to blablabla?
nobody.
what england has to do instead of whining, is to pay its debt of + 1 trillion pounds.
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
and more important, pay your debt with argentina (3500 million dollars + interest from 1945).
“DURANTE LA SEGUNDA GUERRA MUNDIAL
Una deuda que Londres nunca honró”
http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
stop reading english shitty tabloids, you brainwashed isleters.
Still no Thank You Letter for all that lovely Aid every year.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such a rude little boy, that paulcedron.
He is off the Christmas List now, No Gripens for you, you little rascal.
Need to learn some manners!
@ 19 ilsen
Nov 17th, 2014 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No Gripens for you, you little rascal.”
You would think that POLLY would give TMBOA his 1950's plane, it being an emergency.
Oh, I spot a problem here: it's even older and just as fucked as all the planes they have now!
(If it exists)
Wow. Argentina is doomed. No more sterling pounds to save us. Sad.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0christine and ilsen
Nov 17th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is a wonderful 1965 beechcraft bonanza.
bet it is a lot better than any plane you can find in the islets, you rascals (liked that word, i will adopt it for you both)
#18
Nov 17th, 2014 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure that if you asked nicely, England would gift you as much shite as you want, however, as you are up to your ears in it, you have enough to be going on with.
18
Nov 17th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You took the meteors, fuck off and stop whinging!
@16
Nov 17th, 2014 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Autochorros! Has a nice ring to it...
@18
Nov 17th, 2014 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History tells us that indeed we did pay our debts, we gave you 100 Gloster Meteor jets and several Avro Lincolns. Apparently on a training mission an Argentine pilot got lost and landed on a RAF airfield and refused to leave the cockpit. After some time the RAF found a Spanish interpreter and all was fine. He was actually given tes and biscuits before he heade off to the correct airfield. You see that is British hospitality, not the stoning Jeremy Clarkson got. You lot are just savages we shoulkd have let the Gurkhas loose on you.
The USA/UK and a bunch of other lenders have been denying WB IDB IMF loan disbursements for a long time.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although this sounds like an announced public policy. Which is a good change.
Argentina won't be seeing any disbursements for a long time.
Last year was the first year they had to net pay into the Int'l banks.
They'll be lucky to hold onto membership after next year.
14 ilsen
Nov 17th, 2014 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have been calling for this for years.
Well Done Dave, good to know you are finally listening!”
Of course he is “finally listening”. There is a general electin next year you know......... I am sure that our “Dave” wants to be seen as a “man of the people”. Even though *( again ) it's too little too late.
Too little and too late, is better than nothing at all - it sends a message when publicly stated.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@21
Nov 17th, 2014 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow! Enrique! Did I detect a little humour there?
:-)
@28
An easy move for 'Dave'. He wants to make cuts, and he has finally found a popular one!
Poor Paulcondom he doesn't understand national debt.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK Government has indeed borrowed £1 trillion or thereabouts.
The majority is borrowed from UK citizens through pension funds. The last thing these pension fund holders would want is paulcondoms idea, they want the guaranteed return over the next decade as agreed when their pension funds bought the bonds. Which is exactly what they will get.
The next biggest slice is money borrowed from International funds who want a very safe return over the next 5-10 years. The UK government also invests internationally, usually in riskier returns to counterbalance this debt. Neither parties wish for early settlement, or indeed different terms to what was agreed.
So there are zero creditors who want “Britain to pay its debts” as Paulcondom suggests.
However, the British government itself may wish to reduce the amount of new bonds it issues. It is their issue, how they manage the new bond issues...there is a queue of creditors willing to lend.
This sounds so different to Argentina.
Perhaps this is why Paulcondom is confused.
Many Rgs don't understand debt. They often don't get simple math. For sure they don't understand inflation.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They think every place in the world is managed as bad as their country.
They'd probably be surprised that there are USA companies that are bigger, richer and have more savings than their country!!
@22 paulcedron,
Nov 17th, 2014 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scoundrel may suit you better, or even Poltroon.
Although l think that “Jealous little teenager”suits you best of all. lol!
@22
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“it is a wonderful 1965 beechcraft bonanza”
“bet it is a lot better than any plane you can find in the islets”
Better than more recent Cessna 172s ?
I think they retired the Beavers a long time ago.
Time you got a Pucara.
@31 & @32 Agreed
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0problem is that, most, not all but the majority have a very parochial outlook. They think everywhere is run at the same level as Argentina, in the same manner. You only had to witness Cristina's shock when it dawned on her about the seperation of powers in the USA. Remember her and her cronies demanding that Obama reign-in 'his' judiciary?
oops! Her general attitude to laws and contracts?
Their general attitude to debt? We ain't got it, so we ain't paying, we'll just get some more elsewhere... then oh, umm... the few left will only lend at sky-high rates and no-one wants to talk to us anymore....???
just look at the article.
”... British and European voters want their governments to withhold the loans. Some 85% of taxpayers (UK & Europe) said they did not want their money invested in Argentina because of its precarious finances.“
and
”They also want Argentina to be booted out of the G20 for defaulting on its debts. Last year, under pressure from the UK, the World Bank effectively froze lending to Argentina ... ”
nope, they really 'don't get it'.
imbeciles various, but especially monkey's brain:
Nov 17th, 2014 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK Government has indeed borrowed £1 trillion or thereabouts.
The majority is borrowed from UK citizens through pension funds.”
so the majority is borrowed from uk citizens....LOL
“The UK Has Foreign Debt Equal To 436% OF GDP
Comment Now Follow Comments
The UK has $4.36 for each $1.00 of GDP. It owes hundreds of billions to Germany and Spain– while its banks are on the hook to Ireland, Italy and Portugal.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2011/11/27/help-europe-cannot-service-its-foreign-debt/
this data is from 2011. things are a LOT WORSE now, of course.
maybe this graphic help you, band of ignorants, to understand that england is in deep shite since decades.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2011/11/27/help-europe-cannot-service-its-foreign-debt/
Paulcondom
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read your own link, you clearly didn't understand it!!! LOL
Britain is exposed to Italian, Portuguese and Spanish debt you cretin...I.e. they owe us.
Britains international debt is not a problem because of its huge assets
Britains international debt is to be expected because of its large and expansive financial sector.
Poor condom, his own links destroy his own arguments....poor Paulcondom...thick as shit, and twice as smelly.
“this data is from 2011. things are a LOT WORSE now, of course.”
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No modern data to support a 3 year-old OPINION piece then? (forbes)
The BBC link (2011) is also based on data from 2010.
And of course paulcedron has no concept of how to interpret it.
Well Done on actually providing links Polly, but they are not really relevant to your argument. Which is, as far as I can tell, 'UK is a bit shit'.
hmm... even if true, you haven't really understood the MercoPress article above.
Whatever you think about the UK, it still has the power to VETO Aid/loans/Arms deals to Argentina, no?
If the UK is a 'shit' country your need to remember 'shit runs downhill'...
So, you lose.
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Would you like a photo of a Gripen on your Christmas Card this year?
37 Monkey Magic
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just bought Flight Simulator II for my gaming console.
There's a Beechcraft Bonanza on there!!
Get online - watch me land it at Mount Pleasant - oops, ' low on fuel'...
37 monkeys brain
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess your brain cannot understand graphics, no?.
too complex for a monkey.
anyway, click in each country of the graphic and you will have its debt to the other european countries + the us.
for instance
UKs debt with Spain: 316.6 bn
UKs debt with Germany: 379.3 bn
Spain´s debt with UK: 74 bn
Germany´s debt with UK: 141 bn
you know substract? I guess NOT.
now who owes who. you cerebro de mono?
39 toy
ha.
good one
If anyone wish to know the real paulcedron go here;
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/11/17/falklands-giant-mural-paying-tribute-to-the-royal-navy-painted-by-school-in-hampshire#comment365168
to see him blatantly attacking schoolchildren. I think he is true scum and should be banned.
Please leave your own comments and opinions.
boludo ilsen
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol, that is a bit rich, coming from the guy who wants to nuke 1/2 of the world, or justifies the killings of civilians, women and kids like your hero harry did in afghanistan.
and it seems you don't know the difference between school children and a mural, you nabo.
so, who is attacking them?
the blame is yours for making they work in something they dont have the slightest idea.
hire a real painter, boludo
#43
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have a fixation for “shite” Is that because you live in Argentina or do you just have an anal fixation ?
Paul, Why are you bothering trying to prove an invalid point? The UK is and has been one of the richest, most productive, most innovative countries on the planet for a very long time.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just give up
you look like a fool
Aid - nae
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rental of Malvinas - yay.
oh and #20, there was never any real intention for any pricey gripens. silly.
just intentions for a veto here, a veto there, a veto everywhere.
keep vetoing.
I always enjoy a good Veto, especially after dinner, with some fine cheese.
Nov 17th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 YB, yep, we know. Everybody knows this, except PC. but thanks anyway!
Actually, I expect he does know, but why he keeps trying to prove otherwise is just ridiculous.
Anyway, here is a nice photo for Polly to put on his damp bedroom wall;
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Calendar-2014/Gripen-Calendar-2011/
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Please note, it is from 2011, where he normally gets his links!
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I know, I know! I am just thoughtful like that, shucks!
;-)
Mamarracho No.1 (PAULCEDRON)
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is your purpose in quoting meaningless and out of date statistics to us? These “debts” of the UK to Spain and to Germany are, I suspect, just trading amounts - Britain, for example, buys millions of Euros worth of citric fruit, salad greens. tomatoes and wines annually and will, on a snapshot, owe Spain large amounts. It is the same with Germany, Britain buys large numbers of motor vehicles from that country.
So the indebtedness you claim to have discovered is not amounts owing at all.
¡El boludo sos vos!
gordo1
Nov 18th, 2014 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0piss-pot-cedron is so intellectually bereft I no longer think it is worth responding to him, except for the odd aside.
You are right, he is wrong, and somewhere deep-down he knows it. He has some masochistic fetish for all things English. Best not to get too involved!
Don't blind him with facts.
He will only wee on the carpet again, and his mother will be awfully cross with us...
lol
gordo bola de grasa
Nov 18th, 2014 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are not too bright, are you?
external debts are composed by bank and corporate liabilities, you pelotudo.
what tomatoes and cars are you talking about?
LOL
I love the way when someone has an opposing point of view here, everyone piles on to belitlle them.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Paul was here for you islanders to bash you would just go back to playing your usual game of soggy biscuit.
Well this all only cements the status quo between the PEOPLE of the UK and Argentina: as ENEMIES forever.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that is a good thing. The truth and realism is always a good thing.
The UK should cut all loans, Argentina should double down on banning any British ship, plane, or craft from Argentine territory.
51. How would you get gas and oil?
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0The USA, Spain, Netherlands, Germany are also voting not to disburse funds from IDB WB IMF.
Are they enemies too?
Silly boy
Are you sure you didn't grow up in North Korea?
@52
Nov 18th, 2014 - 02:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess so. Certainly the USA and Germany. Probably Spain too.
There is nothing wrong with that, just choices being made.
Lol
Nov 18th, 2014 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0EUians and NorthAmoans are our enemies. I have ALWAYS said that. They have always hated us. Difference Argentina used to worship Europe through much of its history.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0But my generation is changing that. We will be the most anti-European nation on Earth in short notice.
Wonder if Mercopress is going to report about the G-20 summit where a recommendation to work to prevent vultures from jeopardizing debt restructuring processes around the world as suggested by Argentina was included in the final declaration.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 056 Enrique Massot
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any changes to international law or debts owed, will not and cannot, be retroactive- ARGENTINA is still on the hook, whether you like it or not.
Sorry, “Enrique”
On the hook? Hahaha, we ain't paying. Sulk it.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 056 Enrique.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the Declaration:
http://www.g20civil.com/newsg20/4071/
Make of it what you will.
I laugh when people bring up the UK debt arguement. I would like to put it in to very simple terms. I have £235,000 worth of debt and I earn around £50,000. Now that means i owe almost 4.5 times the amount I earn. The difference is I can make the payments and afford that debt.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0#55
Nov 18th, 2014 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do we care.....not really.
Applause for the Brits! No reason to feed the rotting roadkillians.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 49 Mamarrach0 No.1 (PAULCEDRON)
Nov 18th, 2014 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My better judgement tells me to ignore you and your not too bright reasoning. But, when one sees ineptness and boludeces in a serious argument one is tempted to correct them. That is why I respond to your idioteces.
By the way, “bola de grasa” applies to obese people - you should look elsewhere - it falls like water off a “duck's back” with me! Choose a more appropriate epithet for you ad hominem remarks, nene!
I may have another glass of 'Veto' after dinner. So smooth, so satisfying, so powerful.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.... mmmmm.....
*yummy*
#55 Troll in the dark.
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please dont hate the whole EU just because of Britains colonial exploits.
If you ask around Europe you'll see that most countries in Europe have also had to defend against Britains ... 'ambitions' ... at some point.
Indeed some, like Gibraltar, or the north of Ireland still have to tolerate their own version of the pesky kelper (kelpus occupus).
gordo bola de grasa
Nov 18th, 2014 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you dont know what the f*ck external debt means, and you dont know what gordo means either.
not a surprise, big ball of fat.
@ 64 ilsen
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I may have another glass of 'Veto' after dinner.”
Don't you mean Vimto! :o)
#65
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you ask around Europe you'll see that most countries in Europe have also had to defend against Britains ... 'ambitions' ... at some point.”
What the hell are you talking about? When was the last UK's last territorial acquisition (or attempted acquisition) in Europe? The best I can tell it was Gibraltar.
Certainly, it was long before France's (1918), Germany's (1945), and Russia's (2014) so spare us your anglophobic crap.
#66
As we've demonstrated many times you have no idea what external debt is. Then again your entire country has no idea what debt is given the number of defaults its racking up.
@67 ChrisR
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hehe! haven't drunk Vimto in more years than I care to remember (showing my age, do they still make it?).
These days I like a good 'Veto', nice knowing that it is 'Fair Trade' too.
Argentina spouts rubbish, tries to buy arms/get loans & Aid, the UK can Veto it.
Sounds a fair trade to me.
Robust, and enormously satisfying!
;-)
Bottoms up!
For a bunch of bloggers who want nothing to do with the outside world,
Nov 18th, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems your government is not listening,
the begging bowl is still in hand..lol
Paul condom
Nov 18th, 2014 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've again been made to look like the fool you are.
Firstly, as has been shown:
There are many countries which own British government bonds, and who Britain owns their bonds. This is spreading risk. If the Italian government wants a safe investment it buys Uk bonds at say 4% and if the Uk wants a riskier investment it may buy Spanish bonds with a 6-7% return.
EVERY SINGLE OWNER OF A UK GOVERNMENT BOND IS PAID EXACTLY THE VALUE OF THE BOND ON EXACTLY THE DAY THE BOND MATURES.
Your asinine “pay your debts” shit....is like telling a mortgage holder to settle his entire mortgage today, even though he, and his lender are perfectly happy with current arrangement, and all repayments are met on the day they are required. The “house” is worth many many many times the value of the mortgage.
However, in comparison to Argentina, there are key differences.
Firstly Argentina has a massive mortgage, but no house. The money wasn't invested in infrastructure, industry or improvements..but squandered by incompetent and corrupt politicians...who have been clapped all the while by you!!
A massive massive mortgage, where no repayments have been made in a decade, nobody would lend a red cent more money, and Argentine is both financially and morally bankrupt.
It is quite a difference, but I happy for you to continue your ignorant ranting, proving you fail to understand it.
It's amazing that people are willing to lend a trillion to UK at what interest rate? 3%?
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And when they get it repaid they rush out and by more UK bonds at the same rate of return.
How many people lend to Argentina and at what rate.
Is it at all possible that the reason no one wants to lend to Argetnina - it has to appropriate assets and try and avoid paying for them to survive. Is that they have no confidence in Argentina to make valuable goods and services which can create a tax revenue that would allow the debts to be paid.
71 & 72
Nov 18th, 2014 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0very astute and well-informed comments. thank you.
I fear though that your efforts are wasted when it comes to those you wish to address.
However, please note, that there are thousands of people across the world that read Mercopress, and I am sure that they read your posts with interest.
#57
Nov 19th, 2014 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Narrow views indeed. The fight is not get deletion of our debts; this will be negotiated when the time come, respecting our laws and economy as Minister Axel Kicilloff has said time and again. The goal with the G-20 as it was with the U.N. is to win the long-term political battle for the permanent eradication of the vultures and their damaging practices.
74 Enrique M.
Nov 19th, 2014 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a ridiculous holier-than-thou attitude.
Argentina is hardly concerned with a moral stand, or the plight of others.
Arg wants to slip their heads out of the noose, and get outbid paying back what they owe... !
@74
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is another one of those glorious Argentine triumphs whereby acceptance of a principle nobody could possibly object to is presented as vindication of a specific Argentine position. Recognition of the need for an orderly mechanism of sovereign default does not get Argentina off a court judgement any more than a call for “dialogue” and “peaceful settlement” supports Argentina's claim for the Falklands.
The only people fooled are the more gullible elements of the Peronist electorate.
@76
Nov 19th, 2014 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Succinctly put. absolutely spot on.
@50
Nov 19th, 2014 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I love the way when someone has an opposing point of view here, everyone piles on to belitlle them.”
There's nothing stopping the 'opposing point of view' justifying what they have said to counter act the belittling.
When the Argentines, belittled/ piled on the Islanders in 1982, the British did not whither under this, they fought back, a quality few of your belittled seem to possess.
When a colonialist nation like Argentina (40 million) belittles the 3,000 plus Falkland Islanders,what part of their British/other nationalities, allies challenging the Malvanista's views do you not understand?
The main problem with the people you feel are belittled is that they have not much of a case. If their arguments were more coherent and backed up with strong arguments/referencing/ UN records rather than fairy tale Nazi indoctrination taught in Argentine schools, those posters would gain a lot of respect.
There is nothing wrong with an opposing view, but most of your 'belittled' seem to object that their views are challenged at all, as if what Argentina says is gospel-and they cannot maintain a coherent argument.
Exactly related to the 1982 war-Argentina said they were in the Falklands forever, they were challenged by the British and the forever became 3 months, not forever.
Your 'belittled' are from the same mould. I would welcome a different opinion that comes with well thought out evidence for an argument not, 'Because Argentina says it is right, therefore it is.'
Whenever the 'different opinion' says that the UK is breaking resolution 2065, it is pointed out what the wording of res 2065 ACTUALLY SAYS, usually followed by silence from your 'belittled.'
Another example-Malvanistas often post that the UN does not respect self determination for the Falkland Islanders.
When riposted by sourcing, the 2008 UN vote that rejected the invalidity of self determination where there is a territorial dispute, your belittled never find a source to counter this.
“UK will not support World Bank loans to Argentina, British Public Opinion Against Such aid” ..... China, Russia help us please (our two life jackets of lead) !!!!!!!!
Nov 19th, 2014 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, anyone in this world thinks that any comments or word, normal or good can come from England to Argentina. That would be a miracle.
Us for them, are pariahs and marginal deserve to be punished for thinking differently.
This, unfortunately, was (eg English invasions and en1806 1807 and 1833, La vuelta de obligado and the Anglo-French fleet, Roca-Runciman Pact, The baring brothers, etc), is (eg:Falklands/Malvinas) and will be.
Troy Tempest: in some previous post mentioned that I was an “operator” and nationalist. Well, I tell you it is not. I read press Merco because it gives me a vision different from the reality of my country, and the vision that has of the others in the world, especially those countries with which we had and have differences, many of these irreconcilable.
So as I read Merco Press, also I read and see Clarin and TN (media anti K), and TV Publica (which we paid all Argentines and currently used mostly only for purposes Kirscheristas, which should not be so).
I'm as nationalistic as you. I defend my country out how you defend yours. This decade of Kirchner government, had a lot of mistakes, mostly by their own rustiness , especially the K stubbornness for not discuss or agree with other political forces. But I must admit that Nestor and Cristina woke up one national espítitu which was lost in the early 90s when the country was scrapped and sold for a few dollars. I saw my country, Argentina, explode in 2001 on the implementation of IMF policies (of which Britain is a member key) and worst of all, us trust in these siren song. If anything positive has to rescue from Nestor and Cristina, is that tried to bring it back to national values, again.
May be you never come to understand the meaning of this words.
Hernan
Nov 20th, 2014 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I quite clearly and specifically called you a “Nationalist” - someone who puts his country, and puts its interests first, right or wrong, selfish or not.
I did NOT call you a “Patriot” - somebody who loves his country.
As Nationalists, you deceived others, in order to steal from them.
Your financial and economic incompetence is your own fault.
Unless you take responsibility for your actions and your debts, you are doing your country and its people a disservice- ie. you are damaging the honour and reputation of Argentina and inviting hardship on her people.
Are you Argentine Nationalists children, that you cannot keep your promises, and pay back what you borrow?
ARGENTINA is NOT the VICTIM.
I remind you that you have $100b of other people's money - that you have told us you “will not” pay back.
CFK and Kiciloff have both said that publicly in court or to the media.
“I saw my country, Argentina, explode in 2001 on the implementation of IMF policies...”
Nov 20th, 2014 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinean incompetence cause Argentina to explode. If Argentina had done exactly what the IMF had said, then I would blame the IMF.
Wondering,
Nov 20th, 2014 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does the UK have any solid reason for maintaining
“diplomatic” relations with malvinazi Argentina??
Philippe
Philippe,
Nov 20th, 2014 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is better to maintain communication and be very aware of exactly what they are doing, rather than rely on others for information.
Also, many argentines love the UK.
Another thing, it better to be inside, using Soft Power, whilst keeping a Hard Power presence outside, rather than being completely cut-off.
It is working very nicely so far!
We have them where we want them, at home, broke, and pissing in the wind, shouting at ghosts, and certainly not in the Falklands!
#83 ilsen
Nov 21st, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes indeed, just like in April 1982!
Philippe
LOL LOL LOL Argentina does not need the world bank as there is a new kid in the neighbourhood who wants to have its own world bank .....China!!!...worth over 100 billion...The BRICS nations are moving away from the world bank.....
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.rt.com/business/168620-china-world-bank-own
#85
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How exactly does that benefit Argentina ? Who would be stupid enough to lend that country money ?
85 ASS
Nov 23rd, 2014 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina does not need the world bank as there is a new kid in the neighbourhood who wants to have its own world bank ”
LOL - suck up to them all you want!
You and Pablo ComfortBoy are all ready to bend over for your new masters!!!
I can't wait to see the terms you get!!!
ass darkness is too stupid realise the truth...
Nov 24th, 2014 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0he even believes RT, a propaganda channel set up to support the failure that was Russia!
oh, this is funny!
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