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Falklands' sovereignty bilateral talks requested by leaders' summit in Mexico
Argentina managed to include a special statement on the Falklands/Malvinas question, at the end of the Ibero American leaders summit held in Mexico, calling on both sides of the dispute, Argentina and the UK, to resume negotiations, in the shortest time possible, to reach a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime spaces. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe usual crowd of implanted Iberian populations pursuing a fundamentally racist agenda. Fortunately nobody takes it seriously outside Argentina.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0But… this so called 'resolution' isnt the story, the story is about splits, about a hopelessly divided group of Spanish speaking nations at odds with one another. http://www.rappler.com/world/regions/latin-america/77585-absences-glare-again-ibero-american-summit
Dec 10th, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is not the first time this has happened with heavyweights like Dilma shunning it. Even midgets like CFK couldnt be bothered.
Contrast it with a Commonwealth summit when practically everyone, including those countries that were never British colonies taking part. I hear that Columbia now has quite a decent cricket team!
FIG, ICJ.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's complete and utter failure to take its Malvinas myth to the ICJ over the past 92 years means that they have acquiesced to British possession through the rules of extinctive prescription (amongst other rules). The rights of the islanders described as 'interests of the inhabitants' under various resolutions now reads 'inalienable rights' as human rights aspects in treaties and resolutions are changeable with the development of international law. This means that Argentinean politicians have been reduced to using minor summits and forums and are slowly becoming detached from reality.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0You'd think this group might have more pressing concerns to discuss other than the attempted colonisation of some nearby islands.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Negotiations should be in the framework of the UN Charter...where all peoples have the right to self determination....should be tri-lateral...and should finish with an unequivocal apology from Argentina to the people of the islands and a commitment to undo the shameless indoctrination of the Argentine people.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0And no resolutions from the UN general assembly since 1988 and that resolution didn't even mention sovereignty. The Argentineans politicians are do desperate to keep the Malvinas myth alive but it is dying...
Dec 10th, 2014 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0And they all agree with TDC that TMBOA is the 'prettiest of all the women in the Malvinas’: they just don’t know where the mythical Malvinas are.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn, yawn.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentines again demonstrating they are incapable of learning, whether from experience or those smarter, better educated and experienced than they, as well as determinedly tilting at political windmills.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands' sovereignty bilateral talks over its sovereignty claim on Argentina,
Dec 10th, 2014 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0seems ok to me ,
Argentina should be Falklanders , the claim is right and solid, and we thinks Argentina should submit to this claim, we have the support of the world,
and Argentina's right to self determination is utter rubbish,
give us back Argentina....lolol
#11
Dec 10th, 2014 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't want that shithole pisspot of a country, let hope they start dying on the streets of BA very soon.
@12 ExPat1987
Dec 10th, 2014 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a disgraceful remark - the moderator should erase it immediately!
I am totally against the Argentine claim to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands but to “hope” as you do is totally stupid!
Perhaps WE could bring the Commonwealth nations and their friends together to pass resolutions that corrupt, criminal, depraved, dishonest, larcenous, mendacious states should be bombed and missiled until they no longer exist.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whenever one wants Argentina is totally irrelevant in the circumstances,
Dec 10th, 2014 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0technical if the Falkland's belong to Argentina,, thus Argentina must belong to the Falkland's, [ think abt it ]
but perhaps what the British government could do,
is prepare a statement backed by others stating that if Argentina takes this case to the ICJ within one year we would abide by their decision,
if Argentina refuses to take this case to the ICJ within one year, then the British and the UN would deem the matter solved forever in Britain's / Falkland's favour.
it may well help
just an idea....
@15
Dec 10th, 2014 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes - an ultimatum requiring Argentina to “put up or shut up” is an excellent idea. And, of course, the International Court of Justice is the forum that should decide.
Meanwhile, this is the statement made at Veracruz.
http://www.segib.org/sites/default/files/6.8COM-ESP-MALVINAS-E.docx_.pdf
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Dec 10th, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am excellent idea but can you honestly believe that the Argentine Government would accept the decision,. Every decision that has been made through the courts Argentina has renegaged on so why do you think this time it would be any different?
God , this is soooo boring .
Dec 10th, 2014 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5
Dec 10th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nearby???
I would not like to try and swim it, or even row.
15 Briton (#)
Dec 10th, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have suggested exactly the same idea.
But also does anyone know how is an area removed from the C24 decolonisation list?
All the British managed areas should immediately be removed from the listing subject to ICJ challenges.
Again if nothing with a year, then “game over man”.
why do you think this time it would be any different,
Dec 10th, 2014 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has had it all its own way since CFK started all this,
all its mates and pals who follow her do nothing but mouth of to show backing,
Cfk may well have backed herself into a corner, everyone seems to accept [ sovereignty ] is the problem,
so NOW is the time for the Falkland's and Britain to demand CFK put her money where her mouth is, and she can hardly back out, and her stupid supporters can hardly back her if she refuses,
she will lose all support,
so a year to go to the ICJ or all bets are off,
the Falkland's should now push this,
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But also does anyone know how is an area removed from the C24 decolonisation list?
I think that its up to the British government to tell the UN that the time has come to remove all BOTs from the list,, as self government as far as practical has now been met,
after all, the UN can either accept it, or refuse it,
theirs only one way to find out,
David--get of ya back side and do something.
just an opinion.
@21. Not a bad idea. Are any of these territories members of the UN? Does the UN have any authority? Just tell the UN to get stuffed!
Dec 10th, 2014 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I disagree entirely.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain should go nowhere near the ICJ. It can only lose. If the ruling went against Argentina they would ignore it, if it went with them they'd demand full sovereignty.
There is NO sovereignty dispute......the islands belong to the islanders.
Britain and Argentina in sovereignty discussions, is like “think” and “voice” arguing over who owns the only brain cell....the truth is neither of them do.
Britain protects the islanders from Argentina, in the reverse of what is described above, the British military presence KEEPS peace in the region.
'A State which has ceased to exercise any authority over a territory cannot, by purely verbal protestations, indefinitely maintain its title against another which for a sufficiently long time has effectively exercised sovereignty in it.' (Charles de Visscher, former jurist and head of the ICJ).
Dec 10th, 2014 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The leaders also underline Argentina's standing willingness to dialogue with Britain over the question.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever.........................................
Do “The leaders” ( who ever they are ) also underline argentina's willingness to run squweaming from the room like a 4 year old whenever the Islanders themselves turn up?
HMS Dragon says bog off.
Dec 10th, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We must have bilateral talks...to free our indigenous Welsh population from Patagonian oppression.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Dec 11th, 2014 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0”
Do “The leaders” ( who ever they are ) also underline argentina's willingness to run squweaming from the room like a 4 year old whenever the Islanders themselves turn up?”
LOL !!!
PMSL !!
“......in the shortest time possible, to reach a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime spaces.”
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“in the shortest time possible” - before the next Argentine election!
29 downunder (#)
Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent idea.
Argentina has failed to take their “claim” to the ICJ.
All UN decelerations on bipartite talks became null and void with the illegal invasion of 1982.
The free, fair and internationally recognized referendum of 2013 shows the will of the people of the Falklands.
Note given the large turnout, and with only 3 anti votes means somewhere in the region of 20 Argentinian citizens who live safely on the islands voted in favour of remaining a BoT.
This barely gets a mention, but is really significant.
So in short the Falkland and South Sandwich Islands are British.
Argentina should remove from their constitution claims on these foreign islands.
Why not quadrilateral talks, incorporating the provincial government of Patagonia? Even if the two national governments can only make rhetorical points which don't affect the situation, the F.I. and Patagonian governments may well find practical matters to talk about and immediate problems to solve.
Dec 11th, 2014 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Dec 11th, 2014 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You may recall Nestor Kirchner pulled the plug on a similar arrangement some years back.
“Negotiations should be in the framework of resolutions from the United Nations, ”
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like 2065-'with implementation of the independence of colonial peoples, with regard to the UN charter and with regard to the interest of the population?
No Malvanista has ever ventured an opinion on what the interests of the population are.
And negotiations cannot exclude the Islanders, as they were present during the talks in the 1960s and 1970s according to the Frank's report.
If the Islanders were present when talks were being carried out then, therefore they have to be present now if talks have to be 'resumed'.
And so do the conditions of 2065, which clearly do not put the interests of the UK and Argentina first.
As long as Islanders are present as they were before, bring it on-but make Argentina foot the bill for the talks if they want them so badly.......
Seems fair to me..
Dec 11th, 2014 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You may recall Nestor Kirchner pulled the plug on a similar arrangement some years back.”
Dec 12th, 2014 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0True, HansNiesund, but it's still a reasonable and useful idea. If CFK rejects it she's going to have to make it plain that she doesn't actually want to negotiate about anything.
“...in the shortest time possible, to reach a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime spaces.”
Dec 12th, 2014 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Easy.
Argentina *immediately and irrevocably* drops all fake claims to the afrementioned British territories, including removing their claim from their constitution.
Argentina stops all objections to the removal of the Falklands from the C24 list, which is far overdue.
Optional - Argentina agrees to never again lie and claim any of the aforementioned territories, and apologises to the UN and associated governments for decieving them all along.
There. It can be done quickly, it's a peaceful outcome, and above all else it's a *fair* outcome. The only fair outcome in fact.
HMS Dragon.
Dec 12th, 2014 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'nuff said.
Have as many conferences as you like.
Blow smoke up each other's arses if you like.
HMS Dragon.
'nuff said.
No smoke, without fire ?
Dec 12th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no fire without a dragon,
this Dragon has a union jack on it.
enough said..
I have followed the Falkland Islands situation for a few years. The only fair and righteous thing to do is to let the people of the Falklands-Malvinas Islands vote as they recently did. All other solutions are malicious and self-serving by the countries putting their own self-interest forward. The recent votes in the Falklands should end all other contentious acts that are causing trouble. Voters voted overwhelmingly for the island to remain British overseas territory.
Dec 13th, 2014 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK walks the walk
Dec 14th, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but cannot talk the talk..
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