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C24 slammed for failing to visit Falklands
Britain ’s ambassador to the United Nations has hit out at the UN’s Special Committee on Decolonisation (C24) for its “outdated” approach to dealing with overseas territories. Read full article
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Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Falkland Islands Government has invited the C24 to visit the Falklands on no less than eight occasions to date with the most notable being in 2011 when the chairman was asked to travel to the Islands to balance a recent trip to Argentina.”
Time to call time on this C24 farce.
If they cannot be bothered to actually visit the Islands to see the true situation then they have no authority.
We should immediately remove ALL British Overseas Territories from the C24 listings.
Seems that the C24 are quite willing to take Argentine bribes to visit Buenos Aires, but won't come to the honest Falkland Islands, because it would upset the C24's paymasters!
Dec 21st, 2014 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now the C24 have been enlightened to Great Britains position on the past behaviour of the C24.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No further needs to be done or said with respect to the C24, until they pay a courteous visit to the Falkland Islands.
As zathras says GB can comfortable remove ALL British Overseas Territories from the C24 listings.
What, the Ambassador “regrets”? The Committee's approach is “outdated”? And “inconsistent”? He hasn't demanded a single thing! I bet he didn't even puff his chest out! What kind of diplomacy is this?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, wait ....
We'll know that the implanted Italo-Iberian populations of Latin America have attained a certain level of political maturity when they're prepared to recognise Falklanders Islanders have the the same rights as those they claim for themselves.
Agree with all,
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK should write to Ban Ki Moon requesting the removal of the Falklands from the C24 unless the C24 visit the Falklands.
Didn't Ban Ki Moon say that the C24 should visit the territories they were seeking to 'make independent?'
Can the British not ask for clarification of the terms of the C24 -i.e.'The granting of independence to NSGTs.' and ask if the C24 remit has changed?
Other than Argentina, which countries actually afford the C24 any importance?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great, then it's countries like Argentina who NOW control the UN, C24 included? That's breaking news. UK , as a Permanent Member, used to have this control and power. Second, another NOW. It's NOW that the UK resorts to C24's methods at the same time it ignores, criticizes and undermines its mandate, not only regarding Malvinas (UK “administers” 10 out of 16 NSGT). Wow, the world is changing! UK cannot simply “choose” when to recognise the C24. And by the way the “Falkands” and the “UK” are the same guys, at least that's what Britons in the islands have just confirmed! Then, make up your mind
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Countries like Argentina don't control the UN. Argentina has only managed to have a redundant committee stuffed with stooges voting on an ethnic basis rather than in support of the Committee's formal mandate. As we've already seen in 2008, seizing the Committee doesn't mean controlling the UN. Since the catastrophic failure of the attempt to limit the right of self-determination in 2008, the C24 has not dared to propose to the GA anything more than “dialogue” and “peaceful settlement”, which nobody could possibly object to, except of course the Republic of Argentina, which opposes both while loudly proclaiming otherwise.
And obviously enough, if the Falklands and the UK are the same thing, then the Falklands have no business being on the NSGT list then, have they?
It must be quite annoying to them that a colony wants to be a a colony still when the name of their committee includes “Decolinisation”.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a situation they would rather was not there, so hence why they don't want to visit there.
Andy
Alejomartinez: Another product of the Argentinean education system.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're so easy to pick. Bahahahaha
@8 HansNiesund
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May I congratulate you for your very accurate response to the arrogant troll @7 Alejomartinez. But then “arrogance” is what they are known for throughout the world!
@7 Alejomartinez
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 of the 29 member countries that make up the UN C24 are either 'not free' or 'partially free' (Freedom in the World survey 2014).
UN GA Resolution 2625 XXV of 24 Oct 1970 affirms that 'free association' constitutes a mode of implementing the right to self-determination.' It is the wish of the Falkland Islanders to remain 'freely associated' with the UK.
Any resolutions made by the UN C24 are non-binding and come from a minor committee that has to report up the Fourth Committee. The last General Assembly resolution that was Falkland Islands specific was made in 1988 and that didn't even mention sovereignty.
@1. I agree. What was the chairman of the C24 doing going to argieland? Picking up his pay-off? Is argieland a non-self governing territory? Well, that's a moot point. Does it have a credible 'government'? Maybe it should be re-classified? What is the UN doing interfering in the affairs of a non-member? Why are the last THREE chairpersons of the C24 from Ecuador? In fact, why is anybody from south america on the C24? It's not as though they're civilised.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where do we go? We remove all BOTs from this crazy immoral 'list'. With all the BOTs removed, it only leaves SIX. Let's see how the C24 gets on with France(2), New Zealand(1) and the United States(3).
We tell the UN to get its nose out. It's not a 'world government'. I didn't get to vote for it. If I could vote, there are any number of states that wouldn't get a seat. Most south american states for a start. Also most african states. Which of these have progressed to the equivalent of the 19th century?
Which can easily be described as 'Bongo Bongo Land'?
@7. Do we have another refugee from 'Bongo Bongo Land'? Do enumerate your 'successes'. How often does Britain attend the C24? How often does Britain care what it says? It's a fun pointless exercise for south americans. Spend days rabbiting. And, at the end, submit a draft resolution to the General Assembly. That Britain ignore because, even if passed, NO GA resolution is BINDING. What a great idea. Sending dozens of brainless drones to New York to achieve what.............?
The UN can't force the UK to do anything!
On the other hand, the UK can bomb and missile argieland any time it likes. First, there's the Trident missiles. About 6,400 warheads. Yep, 4 subs, 16 missiles per sub, 10, or more, warheads per missile. And each warhead could be 100 kilotons. UK submarines arrive offshore. Cruise missiles. Typhoon aircraft take off from the Falklands to obliterate any survivors. Doesn't that sound good?
Even Diego Morejón Pazmiño, previous Chairman of the c24 admitted that the C24 was the wrong place for the Falklands question :
Dec 21st, 2014 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Yo diría que hasta está mal ubicado el tema de Malvinas dentro del Comité de Descolonización.”
In further remarks, Señor Morejón Pazmiño completely demolished any credibility his own Committee might have retained:
http://tiempo.infonews.com/nota/36455/los-ingleses-no-tienen-argumentos-para-evitar-el-dialogo-por-malvinas
What's all the more amusing was that this particular exercise in self-immolation was printed as a piece of desparate back-pedalling on the part of Tiempo Argentino, following its interview with Ban Ki Moon, in which it learned that no member of the Security Council was in breach of any relevant resolution.
un sees through the “overseas territory” fraudulent malarkey.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0trilateral nonsense.
15
Dec 21st, 2014 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed the UN sees only the rights of the islanders to determine their own future.
Which they chose to be as an Overseas territory.
The C24 is NOT “the UN” and every time the C24 has tried to reduce the rights of anyone in the NSGTs to self-determination they have been told to fuck off.
@15
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What do you call a Decolonization Committee that believes in the principle of colonial inheritance?
”Britain ’s ambassador to the United Nations has hit out at the UN’s Special Committee on Decolonisation (C24) for its “outdated” approach to dealing with overseas territories.“
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so...for this brainless old fart it is an outdated approach.
lol
what it is outdated, you smelly old fart, is to have 16 colonies in the 21st century.
”blablabla...continues to ignore the Falkland Islands Government’s invitation to visit the Falkland Islands...blablabla“
and who the fuck in his right mind would accept an invitation to go to the islets?
”At the 2013 referendum 99.8 per cent of Falkland Islanders voted in favour of remaining an overseas territory of the UK.”
and what did you expect?
that the squatters would recognize they are illegally occupying argentine territory?
it seems this old fart is not too bright.
@15 Vestige
Dec 21st, 2014 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The C24 is supposed to free the NSGTs from 'colonial' occupation NOT hand them lock, stock and barrel over to another colonial power.
EVERY single UNGA resolution states that the population/people have the right to self-determination. There are NO exceptions to that rule, no matter how much Argentina tries to convince everyone that there is. The Falklands is NOT a special case, it has the same rights as the other NSGT's on the UN decolonisation list.
In March 2013 the people of the Falkland Islands told the world what they self-determined. Basically is was feck off Argentina.
If Argentina was a decent country then them may voluntarily want to join you, but your country isn't decent. It isn't honest. It isn't prosperous. And it DOESN'T respect human rights.
So why should the Falkland Islanders give up freedom for oppression?
But if Argentina has a CASE for sovereignty then the PROPER place is the International Courts of Justice NOT the UN and NOT the decolonisation committee.
The only reason Argentina should be attending the C24 is to decolonise Patagonia and NOTHING else.
@18 Paulie
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not squatters nor illegal inhabitants.
If you had squatters you'd go to the Courts and evict them. Fact is, nooooo case. Just an illegitimate and worthless sovereignty claim. Lol
We Demand The withdrawal of all B.O.T.s from the C24,
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and we further demand All ex-Spanish colonist be put on the C24 instead..
seems fair, does it not.
PC. Of those 16 “colonies” how many do NOT want to be with the UK? 16? 8? 4? None? How many?
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's precisely the presence of the BOTs on the list of NSGTs that guarantees their right of self-determination.
Dec 21st, 2014 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina actually believed it had a case, it would be Argentina itself petitioning to have them removed from the list, as the Chinese did with Hong Kong in the 1970s, prior to taking the case to the ICJ. The fact that they don't do this shows that they know they have no legal case.
Having also failed militarily, and being such assholes they have destroyed any possibility of gaining the consent of the islanders, their only remaining course of action is to hope that political pressure will induce the UK to impose upon the islanders the kind of Argentine colonial regime the UK fought a war to reject in 1982. The C24 is an important element in this strategy, but it's so unbelievably fuck-witted to begin with they could have the United Federation of Planets involved and it would make no difference.
In any event, the C24's mandate (I believe) expires in 2020, so it's no big deal leaving them to continue discrediting themselves until then.
political pressure will induce the UK to impose upon the islanders the kind of Argentine colonial regime
Dec 21st, 2014 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cant see this ever happening, as long as we control our own destiny ,
and military,
having said that, if the unmighty EU gets any more power, and junkier gets his own united states of Europe,
then thing may well change,
just saying like.
but lets hope not..
@24
Dec 21st, 2014 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think few people realise just how close we are to the fork in the road with the EU. We either accept as a nation that our future is part of an EU superstate, or we gracefully bow out and rekindle our Commonwealth roots, overseas territories and anglo-sphere. We will not be able to do both in the future as these decisions will be made for us at Strasbourg.
@15&18
At any time, any BOT can choose to end it's links with the UK and either go it alone or forge ties with another nation.....ANY TIME THEY WISH. That is not the definition of a colony and that is the one thing you find so hard to Stomach.
The Falkland Islanders could choose tomorrow to be part of Argentina if they wished, but they would frankly shoot themselves in the head than be part of the stinking mess you call a country. Nobody likes rejection, it must be so hard for you to understand.
An interesting hypothetical - what if the elected governments of the NSGTs had their own meeting, culminating with a vote of no-confidence in the C24 and a request to the General Assembly that it either be reconstituted by countries that aren't quite so “not free” or “partially free” or just bin the committee entirely (possibly a result of reaching the halfway mark of the “Third International Decade for the Eradication of Colonization” with a longer list than they started the second decade with), how close to a unanimous no-confidence vote would it be?
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Paul
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“what it is outdated, you smelly old fart, is to have 16 colonies in the 21st century.”
Are you even aware of the irony in that statement? The territories you call colonies we put on the decolonisation list decades ago but are now being held in limbo by you and your friends, pawns in your neocolonial game. What would be useful is a C24 interested in completing the process of decolonisation according to the wishes of the people affected, as opposed to the wishes of the C24's neocolonial national governments. Ironic, yes?
Paul
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The 16 territories could be removed from the list TOMORROW if that is all the UK wanted to do. It's a pity you are too stupid to know this.
All the UK government would have to do is give them a vote in the next UK general election.
Done, finished complete...it's what France did to remove its territories from the list.
However, Britain and the territories prefer the status quo where they manage their own affairs except for defence and foreign affairs.
The C24 only recognise full incorporation or full independence no 3rd way (despite hints from Ban ki Moon that they need to).
Anyway, trying to teach you, I may as well talk to a pile of shit....but don't think the C24 is in any way relevant to how Britain will act. The ICJ is the UN body for sovereignty disputes...yet Argentina shit themselves at the mention of it,
The problem is that the majority of the C24 cannot get their heads round the idea that the NSGT's would want and be happy to stay affiliated with their former 'colonial masters'. For many of the members, the struggle, sacrifice and bitterness endured to gain their independence has ingrained itself in their psyche.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0All they think in 'Why? would you want to remain part of your colonial past', they do not realise that times have changed, laws have changed and people have changed. To disregard the wishes of the Islanders and others in the present day, shows the majority of the C24 members are still stuck in a post colonial time warp, where the shouts of 'Freedom' still ring in their ears.
Before and after 2008 C24 has been urging both countries to negotiate the solution. That's a fact. Can you believe that the UK could not get their own “stooges” in the C24 if it so wished! Come on, the UN in all has set out a clear position, and the C24 is part of it. Self determination does NOT apply to this case as there is not a colonized people. As simple as that. And self determination is a sacred right devoted to people suffering colonialism. Hence the DEcolonization Committee's task. You guys on the islands are NOT a people in that sense, but a group of British people who deserve all respect for your human rights. But self determination is not your case. Assume it. Not only my words but the facts. Even if you now try to present yourselves as “distinct”, you even voted to “remain” British. The day you stop this farse you will be able to see the potentialities you have in coming to terms with reality.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@18 paulcedron,
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0-“and who in his right mind would accept an invitation to go to the islets”.
You would.
Your jealousy is oozing green all over these pages.
You would love an invitation, but going on your prior posts, l don't think that anyone would ever invite you.
Loser.
”Britain ’s ambassador to the United Nations has hit out at the UN’s Special Committee on Decolonisation (C24) for its “outdated” approach to dealing with overseas territories.”
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good, its high time that this 'committee' was called out! They are just a bunch of partisan, unrepresantative swill and they are most certainly unfit to perfrom the important work that they are charged with.
To think that our tax money goes towards keeping these deadbeats in business!
Syria, China, Cuba, Russia, Iraq, Bolivia, Nicaragua, Guatemala.........I wonder how high up the “freedom” list these are ? Oh yes, and there is Argentina. Free press anyone ?
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the Bots are two small to warrant an MP and if they clubbed together one would still be pretty meaningless. they are the leftovers of empire too small to be fully independant but not needing to be ruled from london.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people who live on them seem to be happy with the status quo and argentina seems happy to have something to complain about.
The rest of south america likes having something they can agree on without actually having to do anything.
31 isolda
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no.
if you want me to go there, say it directly, isolda.
you know, i can make an exception only for you, bebé.
If they cant be arsed to visit the place they should be fecked off.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do we get The Faulklands a seat on the C24 council then even Argentina will have to listen?
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unbiased visits by the UN? Don't be daft; it's an exclusive Club; outs it's UN jacket on only when its “Masonic” interests are safe.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0COme on Paulie we are all waiting for you to tell us which of those 16 BOT's are revolting for independence?
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Self determination does NOT apply to this case as there is not a colonized people. As simple as that.”
If it's as simple as that, how come the UN voted precisely the opposite in 2008?
“And self determination is a sacred right devoted to people suffering colonialism. Hence the DEcolonization Committee's task. ”
If there is no people suffering colonialism, what has it got to do with the Decolonization Committee's task? As even the previous Chairman of the Committee admitted, it's not the Committee's task to adjudicate on sovereignity, that's the job of the ICJ. We're still waiting.
“Even if you now try to present yourselves as “distinct”, you even voted to “remain” British.”
Now this is really stupid argument.
What UNGA 1514 states, inter alia, is :
“1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.”
Argentina maintains the Falklanders are fair game for alien subjugation by Argentina, because they are not a people. Leaving aside just for an instant the unfortunate fact that the UN has never said any such thing or anything remotely approaching it, this is an argument that Argentina has already torpedoed all by itself.
Either the Falklanders are a people, or they're not. If they are, then 1514 applies, and that's the end of it. But if they're not a people, then what they are? Well, Argentina has always been at pains to tell us: the Falklanders are Brits.
The Brits are a people (several even). So therefore UNGA 1514 also applies.
Thanks, Argentina. However you turn the argument, you lose.
But you're right about one thing : the UN's position is clear.
@30 Alejomartinez. 'Self-determination does not apply...' Silly remarks. The UN ICJ has made 1 Judgment and 4 Advisory Opinions that all confirm or state, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.' Further more, on 20th October 2008, the UN Fourth Committee (senior decolonisation committee) rejected a motion from Spain and Argentina to place conditions on the right to self-determination, thereby affirming it to be an inalienable human right.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Alejomartinez
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I quote the UN Secretary General Ban-Ki-Moon on Wednesday May 19th 2010 when speaking at a forum on de-colonization in Noumea, New Caledonia:-
“The world's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status'
He didn't say ”with the exception of the people of the Falkland Islands or “with the exception of those people that Argentina has decided are not people at all”
http://www.sperforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says
If that is not a confirmation that the Falkland Islanders have the right to self-determination then I don't know what is!!!!!
Alejomartinez is a product of the Argentinean education system.
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He theredire finest know how to actually think.
@18. Britain doesn't have any 'colonies'. You should look up some definitions 'smelly blow off'. Hey look, blow off argieland wants to differentiate between 'people' and 'population'. S@8. Small problem. You're a prick. You don't get to say where their duty lies. You are an irrelevance. I remind you that Britain has friends in the area. It also has territory in the area. If you have a problem, we may not be able to change whatever you think of is a mind, but we can stop you opening your mouths again. EVER. Not too bothered about what you 'appreciate'. Your performance over the last 68 years has been CRAP. Significant features - corruption, criminality, degeneracy, deviant, genocide, incontinence, larceny, mendacity, xenophobia. Excellent reasons to remove you. Let's go back to 1945. The difference between you and 1945 Japan is what? Wannabes. Wannabe imperialist. Wannabe colonialist. Wannabe 'power'. And the reality? An 11-year old BRITISH nuclear-powered submarine DESTROYED argieland's lead ship in 1982.The rest did what argies do best. They RAN!o, clearly, argieland is a population. Let's look at its ethnicity, its language, whether it has any right to exist. I see no reason. Five years or it gets BOMBED. You slugshits have made a threat. Don't think we'll forget. Argie sovereignty in 20 years. So we'll have to destroy you. And you know we can!
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30. Sorry, dumbo. Nine generations. There isn't an argie anywhere that can claim that. Hey, there's NO colonisation. The unoccupied land was occupied. So anyone who tries to steal their land should be opposed. In other words, we can kill who we don't like. We don't like argies.
@35. Shove it up your arse and pogo.
AlejoMartinez is another of those Argentine trolls who open their mouths and spout rubbish without checking their facts first. This is clearly another example of the “brain washing” to which many Argentine citizens seem to be subjected and is part of their education curriculum. More of their lies, myths and fairy tales which convinces nobody! Pobrecitos!
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 20 years from now , these very same trolls will be bleating about the fact that Argentina will be nothing more than a colonial enclave of China .
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China already buys the entire soja harvest and determines the price through dubious quality control tests .
It is the only lender of last resort Argentina has . That debt WILL have to be paid .
In three years , China will totally control the railways and the ports .
90% of imports come from China .
Domestic industries are being closed so they cannot compete with imports .
The economy will be in hands of a foreign power once again , sold by the Peronistas .
The Fernandez Xi Jing Ping Treaty will make Roca -Runciman look positively benign .
But hey , keep fretting over the Malvinas .....
#18
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have an anal fixation.
brainless old fart
smelly old fart
who the fuck
this old fart is not too bright.
I presume you are being recommended for the Nobel Prize in literature for the continual prosaic quality of your writing. I can only presume you are a product of your vaunted education system.
I hope TTT also shows this to his sycophantic acolytes as an example of
hatred from an Argentinian
25 Britworker
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks have a look at this,
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31 lsolde
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eeeeewwwww!!! what is much, much worse than bottyboypaulie's ignorance?
His attempted flirting.
When I read his comment @35 I did throw up a little bit in my mouth..... It made me want to pop my eyes out and clean them, having read it. It made me feel all unsullied and dirty somehow......
How do you put up with it?
And he wants nothing to do with the brits,
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yet he seems to have a little typo for our very own lsolde
something tells me, that after lsolde has had a few words with paulie,
he may well melt,,,,,into the floor,
poor paulie, he don't know who he is messing with...
@49 toooldtodieyoung,
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l mainly just ignore the idiot.
l imagine that hes a silly little teenager who can't get a girlfriend, so he fantasizes while playing on his dad's computer.
Sometimes l have to reply just to let him know what a losing plonker he is.
He is not very subtle.
@50Briton,
Thanks mate.
@35 paulcedron,
ln your dreams, pauli-bobo.
@30 Alejomartinez
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Self determination does NOT apply to this case as there is not a colonized people. As simple as that.”
As the purpose of the C24 is apparently to decolonise NSGTs then, if the Falkland Islanders are not a colonised people, the Islands should therefore be removed from the C24 list and Argentina should be taking their case to the ICJ.
The C24's remit is not to assess territorial disputes- that is the job of the ICJ.
The C24's job, (if you read its purpose), is to seek independence for NSGTs.
However, quoting @12 Brit Bob:
“UN GA Resolution 2625 XXV of 24 Oct 1970 affirms that 'free association' constitutes a mode of implementing the right to self-determination.' It is the wish of the Falkland Islanders to remain 'freely associated' with the UK.”
When have the UN denied the right of the Falklands specifically to 'free association'???
Note the use of the word, 'free' rather than ''coerced' association.
“And self determination is a sacred right devoted to people suffering colonialism.”
You will find that according to the UN, that self determination is a UNIVERSAL right ( i.e. for everyone) , not only, as you suggest, for people suffering colonialism.
“ You guys on the islands are NOT a people in that sense,”
Therefore the first inhabitants of Argentina are not a people, but their Spanish conquerors are? This is what you are suggesting?
“ Even if you now try to present yourselves as “distinct”, you even voted to “remain” British.”
The Scottish people are as distinct to Scotland as the Falkland Islanders are to the Falkland Islands, and they voted in the recent referendum to stay, yes you guessed it, British.
What's the difference?
“ The day you stop this farse you will be able to see the potentialities you have in coming to terms with reality.”
I suggest from the little reading you have done concerning what the UN has actually published, you are the person in need of accessing reality.
@30 Alejomartinez
Dec 22nd, 2014 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You guys on the islands are NOT a people in that sense,………”
There we have it, Argentina’s case in a nutshell. The ‘guys’ and their ancestors have inhabited the Islands for nearly 200 years and over that time, despite the harsh climatic conditions and intermittent bullying and intimidation from Argentina they have thrived and prospered and have developed their own distinct identity.
How much time does it take to become a ‘people’? If you follow this logic, Argentines are not a people either.
As has been explained in great detail by other posters on this blog, Argentina’s stance regarding the legitimacy of the Islanders defies logic and is illegal. It also challenges common decency and morality, history will not treat Argentine kindly over its behaviour towards the Falklanders.
50
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0briton
“poor paulie, he don't know who he is messing with...”
why?
what's wrong with her?
let me guess...
she is fat?
she is ugly?
she is old?
she is all three?
in brief, it seems isolda is the typical woman of the islets.
not a surprise,
and you are right, better not mess with her. yuck
I think we know what troll drew the short straw.....lol
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love the trolls here.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They completely ignore the topic just to “get their rocks off” by upsetting others.
Keep up the good work trolls.
LOL
Dec 24th, 2014 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Outdated are you, colonialist of shit. They usurped the Islas Malvinas Argentinas when there were still only ships to sail and did not even exist steamships in a wild act of colonialism, and the idiot talk, that who want to end the remnants of colonialism in those years, are outdated !
Dec 24th, 2014 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I spend your referendum by the balls as everyone does.
@58 Jose
Dec 24th, 2014 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina usurped Patagonia. This was a legal method of obtaining territory in the 19th century. In addition we have 'the Convention of Peace' 'Immemorial Possession' 'Extinctive Prescription' and 'Self-Determination.'
Argentina has noooo claim.
@58 José Malvinero Los colonialists de mierda son los malvinistas como Usted. Las Islas Malvinas nunca han pertenecido a Argentina y su campaña de mentiras, mitos y cuentos de hadas nunca va a prosperar. Los Malvinistas, como Usted, todos tienen sus cerebros lavados.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 060
Dec 24th, 2014 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gordo chileno puto muerto de hambre. Ya va a llegar el día que lleguemos y te saquemos de las Islas de una patada en tu sucio culo y dejar de vivir de los sucios ingleses.
That is quite a threat jose........only are you going to rent a military to invade the islands again? There is nothing in the Falkland for you RGS other than a diversion of the mess your leaders created. You have no chance against my British brothers. Wait until January.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Feliz Navidad y Feliz Nuevo Anos a ti tambien
@58
Dec 25th, 2014 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Outdated are you”
No-it is Argentina that has it's head buried in the 1800s as you wish to copy the colonialism that Britain ditched in the 20th century.
“ They usurped the Islas ...in a wild act of colonialism, ”
Wrong-Britain already had a claim on the Falklands Islands-they did not as you say, turn up out of nowhere to seize the Falklands after never being there.
“that who want to end the remnants of colonialism in those years, are outdated !”
But you wish to replace the UK as a colonial power with Argentina as a colonial power-the remit of the C24 IS TO PROMOTE INDEPENDENCE of colonised countries- NOT to continue colonialism, something you will be forever be incapable of understanding. If you Nazi bullies backed off and let the Islands alone, they would be able to achieve Independence, as the C24's remit requires.
“ spend your referendum by the balls as everyone does.”
'Everyone' here meaning Argentina and it's mates-however the British Commonwealth represents many countries in many continents that did recognise the referendum-if what you say wasn't a pile of crap, 'everyone' as understood by the rest of the planet would include the British Commonwealth.
And I quote @59 Brit Bob:
“Argentina usurped Patagonia”
When are you giving Patagonia back?
@61 José Malodorous,
Dec 25th, 2014 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also my José, when do you plan to return the land that Argentina stole from Paraguay in 1871?
Soon?
As Axel-arg would say, “in a fair solution for both sides”.
José, Paraguay want their land back, its part of their “territorial integrity”. lol!
Argentine Hypocrites.
these english wannabes talking about hypocrisy are like a bad joke.
Dec 25th, 2014 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not only because of malvinas, but also because of gibraltar, northern ireland, chagos, and the rest of the colonies these pirates still have.
as for paraguay and patagonia (lol x 1 million), it seems these ignorant bennys do not know that there is not any kind of conflict with paraguay, bolivia brazil, uruguay and even chile, and the patagonian indigenous consider themselves as argentinian as anyone else.
on the other hand you have england.
they have territorial dispute with 1/2 world.
the funniest thing is that all those disputes are far away from the limits of england.
freaking pirates.
@ 61 José Malvinas.
Dec 25th, 2014 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you believe I am from Chile! Ha! Ha! That is a compliment as I greatly admire the Chilean nation because it is everything that Argentina is NOT - if you understand my drift!
As far as “saqueando” anyone from the Islands - the only nation that has been removed from the British territory of the Falkland Islands has been Argentina after it illegally invaded the archipelago in 1982.
Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año Nuevo.
65@
Dec 26th, 2014 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0we don't have colonies,
Argentina-Patagonia , and a bit in the Antarctica.
Spain , two bits in north Africa.
hypocrite, yes, but not us..
@58 outdated are you with your Hispanic talks of colonist shit.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0The days are gone with your Iberian view of the Latam continent upon the world..
Your protagonist attitude is outdated and bygone purely because no one in the latam world backs you up. How many embargoes has happened upon the uk by the rest of latam?
@65 we have a dispute with half the world re territorial disputes?.....I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...your not a brainwashed malvanista surely?
You know when the uk finally goes islamic the falklands will najecan ideal starting point for jihad against argentina.:-) .
Dec 26th, 2014 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's cstill a million times more like than argentina gettingvthe falklkands
@65
Dec 26th, 2014 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“and the rest of the colonies ”
How's the Argentine colony in Antarctica going? You know, the one where it's military inhabitants are lucky to have heat and get something to eat?
Your pirates aren't doing too well there eh? Should have colonised somewhere as warm as BA shouldn't you.
Why do Argentina try to colonise places that Argentines don't even want to live in because they are way colder than BA?
Dumber and dumber.
I wish the USA would pull out of the UN. All of these ridiculous useless know nothing bureaucrats would have to go back to their miserable countries to bother their own people.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the USA starts defunding all of these worthless orgs in the next budget.
None of this could exist without our largesse.
let's hope the u.n. starts to penalize the u.s.a. in some way.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is inconceivable what that joke of a country does with its black population.
“Shooting Death of Black Man by White Officer Spurs Protests in St. Louis Suburb”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/missouri-police-officer-shoots-dead-man-who-pulled-gun-1419412121
horrible, horrible place.
The USA is infinitely safer than jsut driving down teh road in your terrible country.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or walking down the streets
Or going away for a few days while your apt is being robbed.
Or your house being commando assauted
Or drug gangs OWNING most of downtown Rosario
Or
Or
Remember I lived there and I know the real story
I agree Pablo.....they should. It will be the final nail to rid ourselves from one of the most useless and corrupt organizations, next to OAS...Mercosur and and Unasur of course. Seems when Latinos and 3 worlder's run things, corruption runs rampant like la cucarachas at night.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pablo, before II offer you some grease to wet back your hair, realize that of all the people who die from police fire, only 1/3 are black an and minorities. There remainder 2/3s are WHITE.
BTW....ever been to the USA? Think it's as bad as the villa's? You should have some actual experience that you think you know. You sound as bad as the tranny.....tobi.
74. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the USA that thinks these intergovernmental orgs are worthwhile. I hope the next Congress cuts their budgets down to nothing so they quietly die on the vine.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I believe 'we' need to get back to basics here.
Dec 27th, 2014 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not believe the UN Charter speaks at all of 'Colonies' but of 'None-Self-Governing Territories'.
Now please correct me should I be in error but doesn't Argentina spend some time at at each of it annual appearances before the C24 spend some time proving that the Falklands are not still fully self-governing?
As item 5 of UNGA resolution 1514 (which Argentina voted for) reads:
“Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.”
Argentina also voted for UNGA resolution 2065 which in essence states that 1514 applies to the Falklands.
Plus I do not believe that any rational person would claim that the Falklands are FULLY self-governing.
It would therefore appear that the Falkland Islanders have the backing of the UN and Argentina to the right of self-determination.
Then we have Argentina's accusation that the Falklands are Argentine territory occupied by a 'foreign power'. Should eve be sustained by lawful court or tribunal there is item 7 fron UNGA resolution 58/317 which gives the Islanders the right to self-determination as it reads:
“Reaffirms the right to self-determination of peoples that remain under
colonial or other forms of alien domination or foreign occupation, in conformity with the Charter and the relevant resolutions of the United Nations;”
It would seem that which ever way Argentina turns the UN is against them.
Argentina is collapsing faster than a pack of cards.
Dec 27th, 2014 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 077 Briton
Dec 27th, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is collapsing faster than a pack of cards.”
.........so then, who are the jokers??? ( and who are the queens?? )
#65
Dec 27th, 2014 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they have territorial dispute with 1/2 world.
Name them !
@72
Dec 28th, 2014 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0“let's hope the u.n. starts to penalize the u.s.a. in some way”
And then Argentina is going to contribute to the UN to replace the money the USA donates?
Good luck with that one.
The jokers have surely to be the military,
Dec 28th, 2014 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0they have given us a good laugh,
The queens ,mmmm well Cfk can play the plastic one.
still,
their must be a logical reason why the C24 wont visit the Falkland's.
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