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Argentine convicts want to form their own political party for 2015 presidential elections
Leader of the presumed innocent hopes to lure 200,000 of his fellow prison inmates to vote for “one candidate.” (most likely FPV) Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHow correct Videla was and how much did he fall short. The nightmare never ends.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would rather vote Conqueror as the next president/dictator of Argentina than this guy.
@2 videla was hardly any better than these thugs though.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Videla was a good man, his fault was that he was not able to get the 3 forces together, he was not Dictator fabric like Pinochet was.
This interview is pure gold, highly recomendable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNpxExPJXyI
Holy shit is all I can muster to comment. Hang in there CD
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Democratic process at work. Prisoners can vote as well, you never lose that right. Is given from above.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 Good men don't murder and torture people.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0For those who are there and trying to survive, buy a gun. If you have one buy a backup, and don't forget ammo. Vatayon Militante is coming.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Before I get shouted down: yes, I know some soldiers are good people, but I'm talking about a dictator involved with crimes against humanity here.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the more reason to make a personal decision to buy a gun. ;)
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 06.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Men have responsability specially when they have power. Its easy to bark from the floor. All the Argentine society and political class called on him to intervine and stop the Cuban and communist take over
I am not barking. Just addressing the now. ;)
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine PC mentality is the now.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 04:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Mad Max in BA. ;)
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It could possibly be the largest political party of Argentina.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0May anyone involved in the bombing burn in Hell.
Killing innocents is beyond forgiving despite my lax belief in Christiantity.
Saying that, criminals seem to be the majority in Argentina...
Only in Argentina, mad as a box of frogs. Will it never end. Limited human rights for Urangatangs and political party for the most dangerous in our society LMFAO
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Magnus Master : All you have ever heard about the military dictatorship comes from the people currently in power , the very same people who were attempting through extreme violence to overthrow a legitimately elected government .
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The very same people that tell you Britain started the Falklands War by sinking the Belgrano , or “allowing ” Davidoff to invade S Georgia .
The very same people who tell the Falklands are part of Argentina because birds from the mainland fly there or the other multitude of fabrications they concoct day by day .
If they are capable of monumental porkies over the Falklands , do you not THINK they are capable of the same monumental porkies over the so called Dirty War ?
They were a well funded , Cuban trained, terrorist army 15,000 strong , with about twice that number of supporters , planting bombs all over the country , holding mock trials and executing people , kidnapping and intimidating foreign businessmen , forcing them to leave the country and carrying out a lot of torture themselves , including that of an ex president who they then executed.
The dictatorship was a necessary evil , and most of the stories of torture are simply not true or extremely exaggerated . Most guerrillas that were arrested and captured spilt their guts and sold their own mothers before they even arrived at the detention centres .
Doorless flights and killings did occur , but nowhere near the numbers the current government claim , yet they have used as an excuse to purge the military and replace the vacuum with a “ People's Army ” ( called Vatayon Militante . Prisoners in jail are part of this army ( a sort of left wing South American Dirlewanger Brigade ) .
Argentina : Forget what is past , and start worrying about what's coming .
The only thing that concerns me is whether all the argie criminals in MVD will become part of the 'political movement'.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0TDC are going to hell in a handcart (if there was a hell) and we don't want to be a part of it.
I suppose it is the most logical progression considering who is in office.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I hope the criminals are elected and their first law is to release all prisoners into society, then banish all laws. Let's see what happens.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I fully agree
There you have, guys, Argentina is officially done and lost.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 16
well put, yet I´d like to point that they simply lost its path, and, frankly, they screwed it world-class in 1982.
@3
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are all your heroes losers, or just sick bastards?
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Dec 23rd, 2014 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I was brainwashed at school that the military where bad and evil. All the lies and half thruths they told me.
I've actually listened to Videla in a press conference in 1979 and what he says makes perfect sense to me, he wanted to reform the entire political structure of the country destroying the vices of peronism and statism
@5. We have a bunch of looney tunes called the European Court of Human Rights who want British prisoners to be able to vote. I see that the British news today has a report of a bunch of convicts setting off a bomb in a cell in a top security prison. Fortunately, no-one yet seems to have thought of starting political party. One wonders about the level of ineptitude and stupidity around. What will we get next? Prisoners blowing their way out of prison in order to walk around and canvass? I wonder about such a 'right'. are they not in prison because they ignored other people's rights? Where do they get the idea that they should have any 'rights' beyond being allowed to breathe? Democracy started around 508-507 BC. It was a human construct led by Cleisthenes. Nothing from “above”. Similar to the “human rights” that don't exist. There are NO human rights. There are some civic rights. Rights that a civic society bestows and can withdraw. I'm most often tempted to ask what “right to life” you have if you jump off a skyscraper? Does the pavement suddenly turn into a trampoline? Will these prisoners suddenly demand the 'right' to be shipped around all the prisons so that theyy can talk to their members? Prison should mean the suspension of most 'rights', otherwise where does it end? So, NO votes, NO political parties. Here's your bread, water and air. See you at the end of your sentence!
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is getting truly bizarre in Argentina. These “criminals” are probably no worse than what is currently running the country.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't wait to see what this place looks like in 2 years.
It has undergone a mighty and drastic change for the worse since I lived there.
Caracas del Sur.
@23
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Videla's the guy who maintained it was perfectly OK to steal babies since their mothers deliberately got pregnant in the hope of avoiding torture and execution.
I'm sure he also wanted to reform the political structure of the country, god knows it needs it, but as moderate conservatives like myself like to remind ourselves, reforming zeal is in fact quite common among history's sick bastards, they're rarely in favour of the status quo.
@26 : It's a hard call . Should pregnant women throw bombs in the first place ? The military's reasoning ( right or wrong ) was that handing the babies back to their families simply created another generation of marxist terrorists ...ones with a grudge , too .
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it is , the military were proved absolutely right .The grandmothers of the plaza are nothing but a marxist front , and Hebe Bonafini's house was full of guns .At his trial , Astiz claimed his only regret was that he let her off because she denounced her two sons and begged for her life .
Yes , the military were evil , but so were the people they were up against , who are now in power . The military were jailed , the terrorists now rule and steal with impunity .
The Zimbabwe of S America ....
@27
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pirate, that's not a hard call. Not in the slightest. It's the same logic Himmler put forward for gassing children along with their parents.
The other thing about Videla and co, and indeed their homologues elsewhere in Latin America, was how completely inept they were, at running a country, at running an economy, but also at their alleged profession. It's hardly a successful counter insurgency that sees you later in the jails of the insurgents, even if they do treat you a lot better than you would have treated them. And it's hardy a triumph making the Kirchners look good.
Even for RG standards this is totally ludicrous. To allow the incarcerated the right to vote is insane. They already proved that that live outside of standards of society.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CD I hear many older folks in Argentina feel the military days was better in many respects than it is today.
I said long ago people would start pinning for the “good ol' days” when the military was running the country.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Democracy has clearly failed in Argentina.
They really need a new system.
Hamas
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not conservative, you are a liberal lefty Brit, and you know nothing about Argentina and its history. You will never understand the Cold war in Argentina.
Even for a terrorist in his teens or in his college years why would you father or mother a child if you are not able to provide him with security, least to say for themselves??
The responsibility hence is on the parents side who knew damn well what they where doing... Why would have Videla given the babies back to lunatics like Hebe de Bonafini and Estela de Carlotto?? Old hags whom time and circumstances have proven what they truly are, terrorist loving & corrupt parasites of the State.
Videla (just as Pinochet was) was asked upon the bussines class, the political class and in fact large sections of the society to depose the useless wife of Peron and counter the terrorist advance.
The difference between the Argentine military dictatorship with the ones in Chile ruled by Pinochet or Paraguay by Stroessner, was that the Argentine armed forces where a three power triumvirate between the navy, army and air force. And Videla had no absolute power to get things done, while the others would just conspire against the president. But they all coincided in stopping the communist advance
@30. I'm not sure what other system they could have. It isn't democracy that's failed. When has argieland had democracy? What would you call a system where every 'voter' has to be psychoanalysed and certified first? But not by argies! They'd need to be psychoanalysed by trustworthy practitioners. Not that it would take long. What's the size of the electorate? What's the size of the rational electorate? It isn't democracy that's failed!
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What form did this request take? “Dear Videla, please institute an unheard level of depravity to get us out of this mess?”
How come you couldn't manage more decent officers like Martin Balza?
http://archivohistorico.educ.ar/sites/default/files/IX_23.pdf
33. Because Balza was Mr nobody in 1976, and now he is a Kirchnerist lapdog
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is just words and easy statements, he doesn't say anything of substance. As I said shut the f__k up if you know nothing about Argentina and its history
@33 : CD2 Is right . There are quite a lot of written records , acres of newsprint and newsfootage of the political class , business leaders , union leaders , the Church and the media literally pleading for a coup .
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congress actually dissolved itself in anticipation of the coup .
Ironically, the newspaper La Opinion was one of the leading voices calling for a coup .
The editor and proprietor ? None other than Jacobo Timmerman , father of the current foreign secretary !
A year later he changed his tune and was arrested and thrown out of the country after a lot of international pressure for his release .
His book and the film “ Prisoner without a name , cell without a number ” is , according to other political detainees , pure fiction .
He co-operated fully with the military and willingly denounced a lot of his own staff , who were arrested as a result .
All in all however , the level of terror that the left would have you believe occurred is in many cases fabricated or at least grossly exagerated .
Let's face it , they've got form ...Inflation in single figures ? Lies about the growth rate , lies about the Falklands , lies about Top Gear , lies about Cristina's and Nestor's past , pretending she is a qualified lawyer when she patently isn't , airbrushing their involvement with the military dictatorship and so on .
So why believe their version of events in the 70's ( ie unheard of levels of brutality ) ?
“Argentine convicts want to form their own political party for 2015 presidential elections”
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Form their own political party? they already have!!!
Their candidate is already in power!!
To be honest, if the convicts did get in, a bunch of murderers, cut throats, liars and thieves no one would probably be able to tell the difference between them and the present government.
@35
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's hardly any need to rely upon the word of the Kirchners to know what the NRP was all about, the perpetrators themselves had plenty to say.
Cabeza is right about another thing, though, the aim wasn't just to extinguish the ERP and the Montoneros, but to institute a particular social model, which would have involved the perpetuation of the oligarchy in the kind of stagnant, priest-ridden, authoritarian hegemony Franco had been strangling Spain with since the 1930s.
So when the dictatorship unleashed its perverts, the electrodes were out for anybody who might have objected to that, students, lawyers, journalists, trade unionists, guilty, innocent, ERP, Montonero or not. And according to Scilingo they did “worse things than the Nazis”.
It's a bit of stretch to believe that those who were prepared to support the coup at the outset for the purposes of restoring order expected or wanted what they actually got served up.
And look who won in the end.
37.
Dec 23rd, 2014 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HamasNiesund.
“...but to institute a particular social model, which would have involved the perpetuation of the oligarchy in the kind of stagnant, priest-ridden, authoritarian hegemony Franco had been strangling Spain with since the 1930s. ”
But ignorant libtard, that social model that Franco implemented in Spain existed in Argentina since 1945 and it was called Peronism/colectivization/marxism/Statism !!!!!!!!!! And it was an utter failure, and Videla as well as the military wanted to get rid of it
Hamas you know nothing about economics, you know nothing about the social landscape of Argentina in the 60s and 70s and you are yapping the same lefty propaganda the Ks have being spouting abroad.
@16 They might have exaggerated a bit, but I don't think they flat out lied. Dictatorships are always messy.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Trust me, it is not nearly as ludicrous as our current criminal code. Prisoners without a conviction (that is, sadly, most of them) can vote thanks to the legal principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. Those with a conviction cannot vote.
@37 : The processo came about for a number of reasons , Campora releasing all guerilla prisoners ( in their thousands ) who then simply went back to killing servicemen was the reason they chose to “dissappear” them post 1973 .
Dec 24th, 2014 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the window dressing the left claims is rather fanciful .
I don't know where you live , but imagine 7/7 every day for two years with a crumbling economy on top in which inflation is about 1000% to boot , oh and shortages of every day goods , it might be cooking oil , cigarrettes , petrol , beef ( perish the thought ! ) .
At schools and universities , the “ normal ” teachers have been frightened away to be replaced with unqualified men with guns . There are gun battles and bombs going off hourly , like Beirut at the time .
Then you wake up one morning and there are tanks on the street , soldiers on every corner , law and order is restored , the universities are repainted white again rather than be festooned with graffitti and banners , there are no strikes , no bombs , inflation is gradually under control and Argentina wins the World Cup watched by everyone on colour television .
The bastards who started all the trouble were either shot or driven away and 34 million conservative with a small “ C” Argentines got their country back .
What wasn't there to like till 1980 ?
This government is the same people from the early 70's doing the same thing all over again , only they don't help the poor , they buy them off with handouts and free football , while they rob the country blind and drive it into oblivion , whilst at the same time telling them everything is Britain's fault or the hold out's fault .
Don;t the convicts have a party already.....FPV?
Dec 24th, 2014 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Democratic process at work.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, you never lose that right. Is given from above 5@
shame you don't think of this, when you consider the islanders...
For FPV read Future Prison Votes.
Dec 24th, 2014 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merry Christmas to you all.
“said Telleldin, who managed to get a law degree during his incarceration.”
Dec 25th, 2014 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0When CFK gets sent to jail she will be able to get a real qualification in law as opposed to am imaginary one.
State Seal for the new republic.
Dec 26th, 2014 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/choppersrepublic_zps16705a1f.jpg
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