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European leaders will march on Sunday in Paris against terrorism

Saturday, January 10th 2015 - 07:11 UTC
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Several European head of states will join a manifestation in Paris on Sunday, to express their solidarity following the recent attacks. France’s President Francois Hollande will be accompanied by an important number of leaders, including Spain’s Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, UK David Cameron and Italy’s Matteo Renzi among others. Read full article

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  • Leiard

    Meanwhile in Argentina - “Bonafini: The French colonialist has no moral authority to speak of criminal terrorism”

    http://www.cronista.com/economiapolitica/Bonafini-La-Francia-colonialista-no-tiene-autoridad-moral-para-hablar-de-terrorismo-criminal-20150109-0093.html

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    1 Leiard

    What do you call a gathering of leaders??

    A “Panic” of Politicians?

    A “Confusion” of Politicians?

    A “Worry” of Politicians?

    They could, I suppose, paint bulleyes on the back of their jackets and give the muslims a moving target to aim at........

    Anyway, it's nice to see that TDC are finally entering into the spirit of things and are throwing their support behind France in her hour of need.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    If they are going to have a march, stop dilly dallying around and march the foreign legion into the slums and drive them all the way back to the holes they came from.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @3 Klingdon,
    Capital idea, Klingdon, but you'd have to break through the do-gooders & pc crowd to get to them.!

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @3 I am curious. How do you decide which French citizens have to leave? Do they have to be first generation immigrants? Their children? What if someone is married to a muslim and their children are of mixed blood? The Nazis developed a calculation to determine if a person was Jewish enough or not to be sent to the death camps. Maybe you could use that.

    Or are they going to be expelled on idealogical grounds. Do they have to be radicalised or maybe just said something a non-muslim didn't like? Since the majority of muslims despise the extremists you probably wouldn't get many that way. So maybe you could use the Argentine method of rounding up undesirables. They often went to the wrong house but took the occupants anyway because, why not?

    How would you decide?

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Personally I think the leaders march is a bit over the top,

    David can respect and remember them by increasing OUR defences rather than more cuts, and more cuts,

    I don't like sugar coating,
    still,
    you can have a go at me now...

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    It would be helpfull if the Imams went on a peaceful march in solidarity with the right of free speach but I won't hold my breath.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    7@
    agreed, that would achieve more I think.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bubba

    Europeans marching for peace is like screwing for chastity

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @6 I agree it is a bit pointless. I suspect it is being done as a symbol of unity against terrorism.

    I wonder if all the people that lauded Assange and Snowden realise how much their blabbing damaged the intelligence channels working against these terrorists.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The idiotic French Progressives (Socialists) gave up police presence in teh Muslim suburbs about a year ago. They left the patrolling to the community.
    They get what they deserve.
    The French, like all lefty liberals are brutal when they are attacked. This will not end well for the Muslims.

    Elaine, are the immigrants citizens? I have no idea how it works in France I believe in Germany and the Nordic countries even the people born there aren't ever citizens merely residents that can be expelled when needed. Although I really have no idea.
    The Progressive, Everyone and everything is is equal and valid, nothing is bad, the effete politically correct oligarchy has caused these problems. I hope someday really quickly the population wakes up and fixes the problem.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @11 It is complicated by the former French colonies. Most of the Muslim immigration is from those countries.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    12. Well that should be an easy change of the law. What I've never understood is why these immigrants come to a new country and refuse to assimilate. They obviously left their sh*thole country for a reason. Why would they want to create the same type of gov't/country that they left?
    Seriously stupid people.
    One thing the USA has always done well is assimilation of the immigrants. By the 2nd generation they are Americans speaking English and obeying the laws.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @13 I agree with some of what you say. The U.S. handled immigration better than most places. Immigrants generally feel American first and whatever else second without losing touch with their culture of origin.

    Most European countries tended to ghettoise (in the true form of the word) immigrants. Integration for the most part was not successful, especially in recent years.

    As for the law, I have no idea.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    @11
    The French intelligence had the Mosques, the terrorist cells, the fighters in Syria all profiled. They know who they are, but they are basically sitting all day long having to predict if they are going to attack or not. And that costs money, time and anti terror expertise and the freedoms of others as you have to keep on spying on everyone.
    The problem is there is to many PC idiots controlling the French State, lawyers, politicians, academics, NGOs, media tycoons, you name it. that will be on the jump if you dare go a bit harder on these turds.

    In the 70s we solved this riding with a Ford Falcon and feeding the fishes with a C -130 feeding the fishes in the River Plate... paradoxically the Argies had learned how to do things from the French conection in Algeria

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @15 Are you now condoning the Dirt War?

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    You know nothing of Argentina and its history.
    You are paid God knows any amount of British tax payers money to sleep around with rich business men in Latam and to fart around in cocktail parties... Please spare me Elaine.

    You are so but so basic it is astonishing

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Thickheaded advocating Nazi practices once again. Civilised countries abandoned that last century. Another good reason to contain Argentina.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    18. I'm not sure sure that those practices have been abandoned but merely put in the closet to be taken out when necessary.
    The far right wing parties in Germany, France and the Nordic countries have been becoming increasingly more popular.
    One big terrorist even and all the goody goody progressives that have been running the block into the ground will be gone.
    Watch and see

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Yankee. The last time reason was abandoned on a big scale was after 9/11 I recall. W and B liar went for “rednecks revenge” by going into Afghanistan and Iraq. Looking back on that stupid venture its got the West nowhere and in fact its made things at least 10 times worse. I remember meeting a US senator in Ecuador at the time and was told “Iraqs next!” , that guy is probably now weeping in his boots. At the time I told him to heed the advice of what remained of the British Camel Corps in our Foreign Office - “dont mess with the fuzzy wuzzies”. In retrospect they were 100% correct. There are better, more subtle ways of dealing with terrorism. If you attack a hornets nest with a baseball bat expect to get stung thousands of times. If you creep up on it at night, insert a probe and press the trigger it gets wiped out and no-one gets hurt.
    There is a lot of bluster and willy waving on this site, Nazism too. Thank goodness for reasoned argument.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    @20
    America was at war with Islam before 9/11, dumb arse! We had bombings of the AMIA and the Israeli embassy and the bombing of the WTC in the early 1990s. The Muslim brotherhood is the founding father of ALL Sunni terrorist organizations and they go centuries back. Iran was already at war with the US since the revolution

    Liberals invent all kind of stupid conspiracy theories to deny that Islam is the problem; like 9/11 was an inside job, the backing of Israel, the invasion of Iraq, the Saudi families conection to the white house. It’s all false

    France had not even joined Bush/Blair/Aznar coalition to remove Saddam Hussein and already suffered from Paris riots and looting in 2005 2 years later.

    Israel had being in existence for half a century and had reached a understanding with the Sunni middle east after giving back the Sinai. They where fighting mosthy the Shia terrorist Hezbollah and Hamas backed by Iran.

    The reason why it’s come to pass now is basically demographic, Massive Muslim population growth over the last decades and massive Muslim immigration to the west.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    20. Well that's one opinion. For the most part I don't agree with you. I don't think either Afghanistan or Iraq was a misadventure in the long run. I don't think we should have let either continue on the path they were on and as the arbitor of morals and the most powerful country it is out right and obligation to do something about it.
    If fact when we try to stay out of a mess people start wailing and whining about it.

    The USA needs a war about every 10 years, there's been an incredible amount of new technology that's been developed over the last decade and a half. To an outsider it looks like we've wasted a lot of money and talent but to someone who's grown up here its a necessary evil that we will put up with.

    As I am sure you've figured out I love our military, I love out might but I also think Odumbo has totally screwed up the power structure in the world. I think it will take a decade to fix the mess he's caused by not loving or understanding my country.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @17 I'll take that as a yes, you do condone the Dirty War and the atrocities perpetrated against other Argentines because they didn't agree with your ideology. Wow!

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    23.
    Elaine. Leiard posted @1 what kind of people they are...

    [Yo estaba con mi hija en Cuba y me alegré mucho cuando escuché la noticia. No voy a ser hipócrita con este tema: no me dolió para nada el atentado”, declaró.]

    She should have being fed to the fishes 40 years ago along with all their ilk.

    Had the communist won my lands and property confiscated, my family shot and I where have never existed. If they had won they would have killed and dissapeared far more than 8900 people. Like happaned in Cuba.

    Go on and do what you do best and live off the fools whom pay you. And you still know f. all of what you are talking about. Just piss off and leave me alone

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24

    You are welcome to leave any time. I won't. You have the mind of a radical but luckily lack the balls to do anything but rant online.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    I really do take it as a compliment from you calling me a radical knowing where it comes from. You are just a public relations tailor made, VIP government whore.

    You may travel the world like a swallow at the expenses of the same people you will betray at the blink of an eye back home, but you don’t actually know what winter is. Until its to late and you cant fly any longer...

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @26 Wow, I am a whore now am I? Because I am not a fascist like you? Because I won't agree with you?

    That is an interesting fantasy you are weaving there about my life. Ha!

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Sock it to the Nazi Elaine, bullies dont like it when folk stand up to them, they like to be in control. He has a most apt screename - Thickheaded!

    As for ways of tackling opponents its so simple, just show them that you have a better way than them and they will come around. Thats what happened in much of Eastern Europe which is reforming itself step by step. Be vigilent, let the rule of law be scrupulously observed, be clever. Thats exactly why rednecks revenge has failed so miserably in the Arab world and set off a terrible sequence of misery for ordinary people who live there. America must have learned so much about its mistakes and limitations in the last 20 years. Its certainly not keen to go on stumbling about making even more enemies these days, the price is too high. The Arab terrorists want to provoke the same response again, by satisfying them with more bombs we shall fall straight into the trap again that snared W and B Liar.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Elaine, Socialism/Communism/Statism, or whatever ism you want to call it has killed far more than any other ism out there.
    People often forget Nazi's were socialists.

    28. I think the lesson that was learned was that if we're going to invade go full force and let the world whine until we are done with the mission. Odumbo doesn't have the smarts or the balls to do that and thats why Moscow has Crimea.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Simple mathematics and numbers to confirm what I said about the Orwellian state months ago and the impossible and unsustainable equation Europe faces is. [There is no point in talking numbers and statistics to liberal fuck witts. So stay out of it retards.]

    France needs on average 20 agents to keep on the surveillance for each suspected terrorists. If the intelligence is suspecting there is about 5000 potential terrorist in all of France they need to deploy full task 30.000 agents to spy 24/7 on them.

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1759000-francia-se-pregunta-por-que-no-lo-evito-el-servicio-de-inteligencia

    You need exorbitant amounts of human resources full time on the task and money in a already highly indebted and bankrupted country like France or as the rest of Europe.

    With more and more radicals with more and more Muslims immigrating, converting and giving birth and a ever more high % of Muslim youth in Europe the outbreak of wide spread terrorism is inevitable . It’s just a matter of time before it gets really nasty.

    I just dont see how the system can upkeep itself

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @17. What a disgusting little arsehole you are. You know nothing about Elaine except what takes place in your degenerate wet dreams. Need a new 'thrill', do you? Want a change from the boys?

    I'd suggest that you apologise but I doubt you are sufficiently human to manage basic courtesy. Whose the fart-arse who demands respect for argieland? Go somewhere quiet where you won't be disturbed and hammer a 6-inch nail through your skull. It might be enough to let in some light and intelligence. And if that fails, at least you'll be dead.
    @18. Not 'contain', 'destroy'. Think about it this way. When you find a new disease, you don't 'contain' it except as a temporary measure. You 'destroy' it so that it can never come back and bother you again.
    @21. Then we'll just have to do the sensible thing, won't we? Exclusion of muslims from the west. We can sit back and watch them try to annihilate each other. At the right moment, we could step in and help.We can watch ISIL wipe out Syria. Perhaps, for the time being, we could protect Iraq so that ISIL goes for Iran. How nice to see ISIL try to take on Afghanistan. Maybe Pakistan as well. Then, justifiably, we could nuke them.
    @24. Anybody asking you to comment? So shut the f. up.
    @26. There you go again. Whose bumboy are you? I don't see why a faggot should feel entitled to make comments about someone that they know nothing about. Go back to wandering around the streets begging for a spit roast.
    @28. I sort of agree BUT there must be a mechanism to avoid innocents in the west being murdered. There are only a few useful options. First, we are going to take you into custody and then literally crucify you. Second, we know where all your relatives are. We're going to kill them. Third, we know where you come from. We're going to bomb and missile your village, town, city, country.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @29 Fair point. Extremism occurs at both ends of the political spectrum. Then there is religious extremism. Extremism is the problem.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    MARCH MARCH MARCH
    What a waste of time......

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    31. What are you going to do ?? Send me a parking ticket Mr Officer??

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    The vast majority in Crimea want to be a part of Russia, so do people in Eastern Ukraine. Difficult situation. The West did right to keep it all at arms length. Its all about being clever and avoiding conflict. The Ukrainians expelled a democratically elected head of state remember. Within their remaining territory perhaps they can actually vote for and get the leader tey really want. Win hearts and minds, bombs and bullets should be reserved for crazed dictators and used as sparingly as possible. Then you can build more schools, afford better healthcare, look after the old and sick better and all that good stuff that most of South America hasnt got.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 28 CaptainSilver
    ”As for ways of tackling opponents its (SIC) so simple, just show them that you have a better way than them and they will come around.”

    We are talking Muslim suicide killers here and you REALLY believe that?

    Have you EVER had contact with really, really, bad people, never mind these bat shit mad Muslims, because I don't think you have?

    They have nothing to lose, they are going to Paradise FFS! Or so they believe.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    35. Did you get that stat from RT? Silly guy you have no idea how the world really works.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron

    this useless cara de nabo of cameron should do something about all the scum they have in the uk instead of marching in paris.
    it seems the imbecile did not realize that most of the members of i.s. are british.
    not a surprise they cant do anything about it in their own soil with that idiot parker in charge.

    the only thing these tw@ts can do is to scare romani immigrants.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    31.
    Actually no, Im starting to feel a need for you to come over so I can blow your f.king brains out. White knighting Elaine and she is screwing you all over... Stupid old fuck, why dont you go back to looking gay porn and beating you as they did at bording school. Old git.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @30

    Did you catch the speech made by Malek Merabet, EekAMuslim! brother of EekAMuslim! police officer Ahmed Merabet, shot down by Al-Qaeda jihadis while defending the right of Charlie Hebdo take the piss out of his own religion?

    Decent, dignified, heartfelt.

    “My brother was Muslim and he was killed by people who pretend to be Muslims. They are terrorists, that’s it.”

    It's really quite encouraging, don't you think, to see so many people of EekAMuslim! background turning out be responding just like normal people.

    Who'd have thought it?

    @39 Ah ha! CabezaDura2 has become paulcedron.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @40

    “Decent, dignified, heartfelt.

    “My brother was Muslim and he was killed by people who pretend to be Muslims. They are terrorists, that’s it.””

    Quite so.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    40.
    Its not that I want to sound like coldhearted but... But the reality is she was paid to do that job. Charlie Hebdo & crew died because of an idea. Freedom of speech.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @42

    That's new. It's never bothered you before. But it's only an EekAMuslim! anyway. She was a he, by the way. You should get up to speed with events.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    There is nothing wrong or racist abt insisting that ALL new comers who want to be British, or any other nationality to expect to integrate,
    [ this goes for all countries ]

    We should expect a loyalty clause as a condition, that you will respect British values, British way of life and the way we do things,
    you are expected to integrate and join in , you are also expected or expect to be called upon to the armed forced to defend the British way of life, freedom and our customs, one would expect you to obey our laws, if in the future you break these things or commit acts of treason against us in any shape or form, you and your, family would be deported, without argument [after prison for the person committing the crime]

    I don't think this would harm or insult anyone,
    All schools should be taught OUR values, customs and way of life,

    Just my opinion.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    The Frenchies had loads of Police/Troops with plenty good equipment.
    Hope Dave and Ed were watching because it's only a matter of time before something similar happens here. Didn't mention Nick as the bloke is a complete fool and come May will need to find another job.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Netanyahu offering the victims of European multiculturalism and Eurabian antisemitism safety in Israel.

    http://www.lepoint.fr/monde/netanyahu-aux-juifs-de-france-israel-est-votre-foyer-10-01-2015-1895481_24.php

    As I predited it would happen.

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I usually can't stand Bill Maher's smugness but here a good chat about this topic:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvgdPAEu8vA#t=696

    Jan 10th, 2015 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    What the British people are probably unaware of or more likely unconcerned, is that for the past 5 years the coalition government have been deriding and denigrating the British police with the help of the government press.

    Once that job was done, they have set about with massive cuts to the police numbers, pay and conditions and what we now have left is a husk of what we once had. What we do have left are very very angry and demoralised.

    If what had happened in France had happened in the UK, we would have struggled to deal with it. In fact, the government was just about to massively cut even more firearms officers and that after what happened in France, they decided not to do it. I know quite a few British bobbies and they have told me that some of our forces over the next two years will be bust and unable to function as a police force.

    We are going to be in deep shit if these cuts don't stop.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Hans, have you only just realised Thickheaded is Pauly! My language analyser flagged that up a long time ago! It doesnt end there either.

    Chris, these people are not yet isolated within the Muslim community, they are sometimes just really stupid people, and sometimes bigots like Thickheaded and Pauly. Dont lecture me about criminals, plenty in my family :-)

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    This is the most unhinged, hysterical thread i think i've read on here. The total number of people who have died at the hands of Islamists in the UK in our entire history is less than 100, in fact ~60. That is fewer than the number of people who die accidentally falling out of a building every year in the UK. 2000 people accidentally poison themselves annually, while >500 die falling down the stairs, every year. So even adding the ~2000 soldiers and citizens who have ever died at the hands of Islamists outside of the UK, this still needs to be seen in perspective.

    This is not complacency, just rational perspective. We love imagining the worst - new variant CJD was going to kill 100,000, it killed 100. We were terrified of Aids in the 80s, but now see it as just another disease to deal with. We came through 2 world wars and then expected thermo-nuclear destruction at any moment, but have since made friends with the Germans and closed most of our cold war bases. There were anarchists assassinating world leaders 100 years ago, this happens and will always happen - the dumbest thing we could possibly do today is to turn on our Muslim neighbours and treat them like an enemy.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 50 Redrow

    So I take it you do not go to Stoke on Trent or were near the London bomb on the 5th July 2005 or in fact have been close to, or at risk yourself to these wanton killers?

    Some of my businesses were in the SoT area; do you remember the TWO terrorist cells from there. All 'good asians Muslims' according to the Imam of their mosque.

    I would have been on foot right near the London bus had it not exploded just a few minutes before.

    I am not suggesting that we attack ALL the Muslims BUT I do think we should interrogate ALL the under 25 YO males who have travelled to a Muslim state within the last 12 months.

    Also it would be good if the so called Muslim Council of Britain who claims they represent the Muslims (though MANY associations of Muslims deny this) came out SOLIDLY and unequivocally AGAINST these arseholes. That has yet to happen.

    I really don’t care how many Muslims and their deranged British converts we have to kill as long as we get ALL the embryonic and formed terrorist cells. I DO NOT WANT any non-Muslim people killed by these nutters. Is that really too much to ask?

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @34. I'll just go back to reporting all your abusive comments.
    @35. Oh dear, do you really only see what you want to see? 'democratically elected head of state'. Oh yeah? Prove it. Doesn't the authority in a sovereign democratic state rest with the people? So your 'democratically elected head of state' got elected on the basis of one policy. Then he switched around and tried to sell out to Russia. The people didn't like it. They protested. My idea is that a honest individual would stand up and explain himself. Did he do that? No. He ran. To Russia. In my book that shows him to be a traitor to the people. ''democratically elected' bullshit. And how do you know that the vast majority in Crimea want to be part of Russia? Is that based on the referendum overseen by armed Spetsnaz? How about we put the US Marines in there and ask the people if they'd like to vote again? With a guarantee that the Marines will wipe out the Spetsnaz and local militias if they try to interfere. Here's a little quote ”The ensuing 16 March 2014 referendum on whether to join Russia, held while the peninsula was occupied by Russian soldiers, had an official turnout of 83% and officially resulted in a 96.77% (Crimea) and 95.6% (Sevastopol) affirmative vote, but the referendum was condemned by the EU, the US, Ukraine and the representatives of the Crimean Tatars for violating Ukraine's constitution and international law.” Similarities with the Falklands referendum? Well, there were no British troops standing inside and outside the polling stations. And the Falklands referendum was declared to be in accordance with the constitution and international law.
    @38. We're trying to get rid of argies and other latam scum.
    @39. Take your tongue out of your arse if you're trying to talk.
    @48. Could you try accuracy? ONE UK force was planning to cut 25 constables. Where did you get 'massively' from?

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    “The total number of people who have died at the hands of Islamists in the UK in our entire history is less than 100, in fact ~60.”

    That is because you have security services spying on everyone 24/7. It’s all based on espionage and containment. You already have bills making nursery teachers spy on under 5 year olds in kindergartens. If France needs at least 30.000 anti terror agents to keep an eye on just 5000 potential terrorist from committing a crime then at some point the equation will be unsustainable with more % of Muslims born and become radical extremist. It cant be that different in the UK. It’s costly, inefficient and unsustainable just by demographics and common sense

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redrow

    ChrisR
    In 1974 the IRA murdered 18 civilians in Birmingham. Afterwards, a local Irish woman was harassed in a shop because of her accent. Some reactionaries might have felt her harrassment was understandable given her origin and given the horror of the bomb, however what her abusers didn't realise was that she had lost 2 sons in the bombings. Today, the Irish and British get on well and have settled our differences. But had all Irishmen under the age of 25 who had been to Ireland in the previous year been interrogated in Britain, then do you honestly believe we would be where we are today? The kind of mass profiling you suggest would be utterly counterproductive and a huge waste of time in any case. Telling our Muslim fellow citizens that they are not to be trusted and then questioning their patriotism is incoherent. The western intelligence services are doing a pretty good job on balance, i doubt they would thank you for diverting them to interrogate 100,000s of innocent young British muslims who have no knowledge or interest in terrorism.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I think this problem is less of an issue in the USA/UK since we assimilate our immigrants better than EU/Scandinavian countries. The EU immigrants are living in a ghetto, don't speak the language, are uneducated, are unemployable and keep to thier own barbaric medieval tribal customs. The are treated as outsiders because they are outsiders. If there's an general uprising in Germany/France/Norway/Sweden its going to be really really ugly. It may even get the ultra right parties back into power.
    It will be interesting to watch this roll out.
    Its not near done yet.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    A couple of numbers and statistical FACTS

    The equation of 1 potential terrorist spyed by 20 agents.
    Euro native birth rates 1.1- 1.6.
    Muslim birth rates 3.0-3.5
    70% of Muslims worldwide support Sharia law

    You just have to be a common sense person and a realist to know where this is going.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Utter rubbish Thick Head. You know absolutely nothing. Like your countrymen you panick when challenged and then run away. We dont. Thats hard for you to understand due to where you were educated and grew up, in fact its the norm as we saw in the conflict. Quote all the stupid statistics you like. It doesnt make any sense especially when you look at population and natural resources. Britain has very little natural resources and is a world leader, you lot have oodles of resources and your country is a basket case - economic failure, social failure, moral failure and international failure approaching the standard of North Korea and Cuba without even the disadvantage of sanctions! Sorry, no-one takes you seriously and the trajectory you are on is firmly down. Why? Because of people like you who continually get it all wrong…

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @54 “The western intelligence services are doing a pretty good job on balance,”

    They are. An incredible job. It is never easy to balance the rights of individuals with the safety of the whole community and maintaining our freedom and democracy. Their job is not helped when blabber-mouthed traitors like Assange and Snowden hand our intelligence to the terrorists. But whatever the circumstances and obstacles the job goes on.

    There will be more terrorist attacks on our free and open democracy but the terrorists will never win.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    @57

    The equation of 1 potential terrorist spyed by 20 agents.
    Euro native birth rates 1.1- 1.6.
    Muslim birth rates 3.0-3.5
    70% of Muslims worldwide support Sharia law

    Deal with it

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @59 Time for you to run away in defeat. Again.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 54 Redrow

    My comment was:
    “I am not suggesting that we attack ALL the Muslims BUT I do think we should interrogate ALL the under 25 YO males who have travelled to a Muslim state within the last 12 months.”

    I cannot see any rational relationship with your comments to mine. And the reason is simple. ALL Irish parents knew what their offspring were doing during the conflict, some helped the murderers and others turned their own people in.

    The Muslim population (except for just two examples I know of) always claim they didn’t know their son had been doing the things they were guilty of. How so when the Quran promotes the family to the exclusion of everything else?

    No, it’s too thin, they KNEW, they just didn’t want to admit it to themselves that the radical Imam in Bedford had ‘confused’ them, etc, etc.

    “i (SIC) doubt they would thank you for diverting them to interrogate 100,000s of innocent young British muslims who have no knowledge or interest in terrorism.”

    Where the hell did that little nugget spring from? You claim that the “security services are doing a pretty good job” yet you think 100,000’s of thousands have gone to an Islamic state recently? Read what I wrote ONLY and without embellishment and emotion and think again.

    The same security forces claim 2,000 British have gone to fight with ISIL, why don’t we deal with them when they return, apart from a slap on the wrist that is?

    Or would that be counterproductive as well.

    BTW, the French security services stopped monitoring one of the murderers only weeks before he ended up killing people. The UK services did EXACTLY that with the SoT bombers. Difficult isn’t it?

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Anbar

    “”@29 Fair point. Extremism occurs at both ends of the political spectrum. Then there is religious extremism. Extremism is the problem.“””

    Yes, but most of it comes from religion...

    Many humans havent yet evolved beyond the need for a supernatural moral and psychological crutch to get through the day.

    Its very sad.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @62 I agree. Religious inculcation is very powerful.

    There is also the disenfranchised ripe for manipulation and exploitation, religious or not.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    53 CabezaDura2

    “You already have bills making nursery teachers spy on under 5 year olds in kindergartens.”

    Clearly you have NO IDEA about how nursery schools work here in the UK ( kindergartens are what they are called in the US, are you even a real person? )

    Are you even sure of what you are talking about?

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsparrow

    RADICAL MUSLIMS. Call it what it is. Nazi Germany, the Third Reich were all GERMANS. They were all GERMANS. Was every German a Nazi? NO!
    Obama and Biden don't have to be marching to show the world how deeply involved the US is in the war against terror. Peace.

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    At least their one US politicians with some nads!
    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/09/politics/rand-paul-paris/index.html?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion&iref=obnetwork

    Jan 11th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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