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Argentina downplays WTO adverse ruling and considers possible negotiations with litigants

Saturday, January 17th 2015 - 08:03 UTC
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The World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling against Argentina triggers “no immediate modification” of the country’s trade administration, Cabinet Chief Jorge Capitanich pointed out adding a “comprehensive and detailed analysis of the ruling’s terms” is needed. Read full article

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  • golfcronie

    PMSL Why is it that Argentina cannot sit down at the negociating table prior to a ruling by the WTO or change the way they do business. You know it makes sense. He says they will talk to the complainants and try and resove it. RULES ARE RULES NOT NEGOCIABLE.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    I'm puzzled by this. If the WTO has found that argieland's import licensing requirement and other import restrictions breach international trade rules aren't they offences under international law? Where's the problem? Change them NOW in line with international trade rules. THEN argieland can sit down with the 'litigants' and work out how much compensation it has to pay. It isn't really a case of 'negotiation', it's more a case of whether argieland is prepared to pay what it owes for the adverse effects on the economies of the US, EU, Japan and so forth. Otherwise it should find itself in front of the ICJ.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    It is always as if the argies cannot understand English.

    But in reality of course they are just liers and crooks.

    Argentina will always be infested with Peronista lice, nothing will change.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The USA will block wine/food imports from Arg soon enough. Its an easy target easily replaced by other producers and hurts Arg both financially and politically at home.

    Easy peasy.
    My guess it will happen sooner rather than later and I can't see why they'd wait for the new gov't to come into place.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    They have to “analyse” the ruling? What a bunch of idiots. And today they announced that inflation for 2014 was 23.9%. Right.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Why do these Kidiots think they can negotiate after they lose?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/16/us-argentina-economy-imports-idUSKBN0KP2A920150116

    When one media outlet set up a twitter hashtag for shoppers to list products they could not find, police officer Andres Maldonado responded that he couldn't find the medicine his grandfather needed to treat his Alzheimer's.

    “We couldn't get any during October, finally my grandmother managed to get some via my uncle traveling to southern Argentina for his work,” he told Reuters. “After that we managed to find it again, but for almost twice the price.”

    and its going to get worse
    much worse
    just wait

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    http://news.yahoo.com/outrage-south-florida-police-black-mugshots-targets-051633498.html

    Burn baby burn

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Pagina boi.....hows the electricity tobi? Did you ever answer Don Alberto's question about where that farm protest was in Mendoza?

    26 Don Alberto (#)
    Jan 16th, 2015 - 03:33 pm
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    Show us Tobias:

    1. Exactly where (street name and number) in Mendoza was this photo taken?
    sr1.wine-searcher.net/images/news/48/78/argentina-mendoza-demonstration-10004878.jpg

    Anyone who has lived in Mendoza knows this place, there is no way one can be mistaken about the wall on the right.

    2. Which important building is on the other side of the street?

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/15/argentine-government-bluntly-rejects-iran-cover-up-accusation-as-nonsense#comments

    In case you missed it. And....I am still waiting for an inside description of ANY retail store or restaurant in any place in Mendoza......looking immediately left or right so when I visit I will know if you are there. But you know what? I've been asking for 6 weeks now and nothing. You ignored Don.

    This is what you must do when you are NOT in Argentina. Now go eat papi's chorizo.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Tobias (under whichever name he uses, like the idiot Cruise ConTroll) cannot answer my question because he doesn't live in Mendoza. Any Menduco can answer it immediately using my lead about the wall.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    You just don't get it, I need to prove nothing to any of you. It's not my fault you all think you are so important. You are not!

    As said before, none of you even disclose your cities, let alone prove you live where you claim you do. Why do you all think you are exempt? I'll tell you why: you are racists with supremacy airs who think only non-Anglos need to “prove themselves”, and you don't. You are all pathetic, pitiful cranimals.

    The proof that you are cranimals who truly hate Argentina is that you want this country to just open itself up to imports, which you know will lead to a massive economic collapse and huge unemployment and unrest from the loss of jobs. And you have all shown not to give a f--- about all those people these rulings will destroy or severely hurt.

    Then you wonder why I give a --- about you?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Faulconbridge

    The proof that you are cranimals who truly hate Argentina is that you want this country to just open itself up to imports, which you know will lead to a massive economic collapse and huge unemployment and unrest from the loss of jobs. ”

    And how will people pay for the imports then?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    10. Has restricting imports helped your country?

    You're one dumb cluck.

    I hope you bought laundry detergent like I told you to.

    You've not seen anything yet.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    They won't. That's the point. It's obvious the USA, EU, and Japan governments are evil and they proved it here. They know such a shock unrestricted imports would lead to a rapid soaring of joblessness, and in the end Argentina would not buy their products anyway.

    Capitalism will finish off Argentina. Which is good because it will prove how it and free trade destroy a nation once and for all.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Pagina boi it establishes credibility of which you have none because you are not in Argentina. How hard is it to answer Don's specific question regarding a location IN Mendoza? It divulges nothing about you and everything about where you do not reside.

    I never divulged eastern Massachusetts....Boston? Hell I gave you my email. Shit I even have a virtual telephone number in Argentina for my in laws to call me.

    What do you want for proof of when I live pagina boi? Because now.....WE ALL KNOW WHERE YOU DO NOT LIVE.

    Answer my question......or at least Don's. What is so hard saying.......“that is the corner of so and so and that building ....”?

    I think now we can safely assume you are most likely an Argentine immigrant living somewhere in Europe.

    #11 WRONG we want kirchnerism dead

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I hear a panch (hot dog) costs $20 pesos on the beach. OMG that's gone up 20X since in 6 years.

    Except salaries haven't gone up 20X in that period.

    I wonder if we'll see 3 digit inflation in 2015.
    I wonder...

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Tobi the self admitted trans sexual, aka Crusie ConTroll was responding fairly quickly but now she seemed to fade away.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Topic changing and insult hurling as in 15 and 16, and vanishing as in 11, are three tail tail signs of a won argument.

    Next topic.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I am happy to keep discussing how in your delusional reality imports are to blame for Argentina's collapse.
    Go....

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Than answer the question Don Alberto posed to you? Calling you something you claimed to be can't be an insult.....but this is......You are a fucking mindless idiot.....as is everyone else who uses your screen names. I suggest you and they read what the other posters posted when they take the helm or your screen names.

    BTW......I am not here to argue or debate.

    Where in Europe are you? Because now.....EVERYONE knows you are the farthest thing from South America let alone Argentina.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Liar and idiot child Tobias (p.t. Cruise ConTroll) cannot answer my question because he doesn't live in Mendoza. Any Menduco can and will answer it immediately using my lead about the wall.

    Idiot child Tobias may have been born in Mendoza, but his parents obviously fled Argentina while he was a toddler.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Just like the Supa Tupa Stevie. Funny how all things here seems to have a very common denominator. I am thinking Tobi's parent went to Canada.

    Does anyone remember that nutjob from Canada.......something about a pirate always wanting to get nukes for Argentina. All these puppets.....and guess how many hands doing the bidding?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    My friends Mom just got back from Peru and said she was amazed to see so many Rgs working as waiters, bartenders etc.
    Won decade indeed
    My my how times have changed...

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    The bottom line is Argentina is nowhere this hellhole you people claim it is. Your opinions of Argentina are as competent as a Hezbollah fighters opinions on Israel.

    It's pretty funny you guys actually believe yourselves objective. Its sad to witness such delusions but at times it is amusing.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Even the GPS systems in Argentina announce when you're entering a dangerous area.

    Psst...they don't do that in civilized countries.

    How the murder rate in Rosario going so far this year?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Say whatever BS you like, it is still not the Mogadishu or Bagdad you are obviously plodding full time on this website. Sorry.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Maybe not yet, give it a little time. Argentina/Buenos Aires is just a few steps behind Venezuela/Caracas.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    And what problem is that of yours anyhow?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Why can't you name that building or location in mendoza tobi? You lying sack of human shit. Every word you type from Europe is lie. You waste precious oxygen.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    So Europe did not commit colonialism and screwed over the Arabs for 100s of years? It's all just a misunderstanding.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    “It's all just a misunderstanding.”

    Precisely.

    The Ottoman Empire screwed the Arans for centuries

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/OttomanEmpireIn1683.png

    the Europeans didn't take over until less than a century ago.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The Mid East had the same problem as Argentina when the British left, corruption and dictators stealing and ruining the country.
    They're too dumb to manage a country and their resources.

    No different in my book.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    #29 tobi where does lying pieces of shit like you live in Europe? Ignoring the truth is the Argentine way but that still does not get you living in Argentina. You know nothing geographically speaking of anything in Argentina let alone Mendoza to which you cannot even ID a major edifice there.

    lol

    Lying sack of shit. The only thing worse than a lying RG and a lying RG piece of shit......human feces boi.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    @31

    THe British destroyed the Middle east. Before them, it was far more advanced and enlighthened than anything in Europe.

    Most European “inventions” were stolen from the Chinese or Russians, and most abstract concepts from the Arabs.

    And FYI, Argentina was never ruled by the British. Your American education is shining fulgurous, you dumb---ck.

    @31

    Ottoman Empire, blah blah blah... so that's the strategy? Others did it so we EUians could do it to and have no blame in it?

    Sounds very Argentine on their part... and they then dare criticize us?

    @32

    I won't answer any of your questions, no matter which ones are they. You are cranimals, not people. I only vouchsafe replies to homo sapienses.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    That's right tobi......you are proving my point of not living in Argentina.

    PMSL

    However I do commend papi and your mammi for migrating and getting you out of Argentina

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • BOTINHO

    Ola -

    Some clarifications.

    1. I live in Fortaleza, Ceara, Brasil. I've mentioned that fact here before.

    2. The term “Anglo: ” Is that used as I suspect for “ Whites,” or only to describe “ Europeans ? ” If it is to describe Europeans, than many of my friends in Argentina would most likely qualify. ( We say Gringo, but that applies to anyone, or any race, not native to Brasil ).

    3. What does any of his have to do with Argentina and a WTO dispute, other than to deflect the discussion away from the actual subject ?

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    Poor idiot child Tobias,

    it is not a strategy but facts.

    The arab world was more advanced than Europe until about 1250, when a new and more strict interpretation of Al-Quar'an was forced on the muslim societies. Since then it has been moving downhill excepting a few, short interludes of enlightenment, which were quickly strangled.

    Your above blabber is a demonstration of why I call you an idiot child. You grab at anything you have read on the walls of public toilets, carefully avoid performing the necessary research and blurp it out to be ridiculed.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Well one thing is for certain. Argentina will do nothing to change the situation, and when the aggrieved parties take action, things will get worse. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/choppers_hot_time_on_the_old_town_zpsea5e5668.jpg

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    If the Arabs were so advanced how did they get conquered so easily and so often?

    Advanced civilizations always conquer less advanced ones. Have you never played any online games? Or know anything about history.

    Psst USA and UK ruled Argentina up until Peron and since then its been all down hill.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    You are correct Don. The Arabs were quite powerful then and achieved a lot of conquests in Europe. And they did create math as we know it today. But they stopped advancing and now are racing back to the dark ages.

    Jan 17th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    If the Arabs were so advanced how did they conquer so many christian countries?

    In the period from year 632 until 1683 the Arabs conquered:

    The christian countries Armenia,Jordan, Israel, Etiopia, Eritrea, Libya, Algiers, Tunesia, Marokko, the partly christian Irak and Iran.

    The hindu countries Pakistan and most of India.

    The buddhist countries Afghanistan, Indonesia and Malaysia.

    The muslims/arabs conquered neighbouring countries until 9/11. Not 9/11 2001, but 11 september 1683.

    On 9/11 the Polish king Jan Sobiesky arrived with an army of about 50,000 soldiers and broke the Turkish siege of Wien (Vienna) in Österreich (Austria) - guess why the attack on World Trade Center in NY took place on 9/11 and not e.g. a day before or after.

    The camel's back wasn't completely broken until 1699, when the Treaty of Karlowitz was concluded, and the Turks had to cede a lot of territory to the European christians. The treaty was an important step in the abolishment of the Ottoman Empire in Europe.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    @38

    Really?

    I must have missed the part where the UK, rulers of Argentina, forced her to enter WWI.

    I must have missed the part where the USA, rulers of Argentina, got Argentina to give up its US denominated gold coins in 1933.

    I must have missed the part where the USA and UK, rulers of Argentina, arm-wrestled Argentina into entering World War II, even after the USA was attacked and had forced all other nations in the Americas to declare war for them.

    I must have missed the part where the USA and UK successfully blocked Argentina joining as a founder of the UN, even after dissing them in WWII.

    Mwahahahaha.... some rulers.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @1 The government will drop all trade restrictions in the WTO ruling in paper but keeping the dollar clamp and rationing of foreign currency, the “negotiations” are basically asking the USA, the EU and Japan if this is OK.
    No matter what they think we will do this anyway as leaving imports fully unrestricted will destroy what is left of the economy and obviously CFK will want to leave that to the next administration to deal with. Lifting the restrictions will only be viable after cutting government spending and keeping inflation under control, and that could take years.
    In the short term this ruling won't benefit anyone but will put in more danger any investment of foreign companies in Argentina, and their ability to take profits.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    “No matter what they think we will do this anyway as leaving imports fully unrestricted”

    The massive irony is that the USA, EU, and Japan do not engage in free trade: they block a great deal of Arentine exports. Hypocrisy of the greatest order.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The lying sack of shit pretending to be in Argentina keeps coming back. Why don't you leave this site and post where you live. Mendoza.......fucking liar......can't even I'd the main drag there. Why do you lie?

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Captain, the troll lives with his hispanic immigrant single mother, probably in a basement, spends most of his time playing video games and pleasuring himself with porn sites. He's a high school dropout with a sub-100 IQ and lives in an English speaking country.
    He's obese, a virgin, a pathetic lier and does not speak Spanish.
    I wouldn't waste too much time on the worthless bag of shite.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Thanks #45. Claims all sorts of things and doesnt take his medication… Obvious he knows nothing about Mendoza and fools no-one.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @10. Only if you want yourself seen as credible. So you aren't credible and can be ignored. Just like any other irritating little bug(ger). Or is that bug(ger)(er)?

    I could disclose my location. But I won't because it has no relevance. The subject is corrupt, criminal, failing argieland.

    I'm not racist. But I am so much better than you. Years of working, paying taxes, saving, going without for the sake of my future. Now I can sit back and enjoy the fruits of my labours. Nice house, very nice car, an employee and loads of money in the bank! What have you done or got, slobchops?

    All being well, argieland will be FORCED to act like a legal 21st century state. Not saying that it will become. Just that it will be FORCED to act like one.

    I'm looking forward to massive economic collapse and huge unemployment and unrest from the loss of jobs. I'm looking forward to watching argieland suffer. Especially YOU. Even though you'll never admit it. At least as long as the electricity supply holds out.

    Have you thought about this? YOU invaded OUR Islands and made OUR people suffer. Do you think we give a f--- what happens to you? Future news story. “Argieland suffers national famine. People dying in the streets”. Who would care?
    @13. More FREE TRADE. Destroy argieland.
    @17. Where's the topic changing? The topic is the argie joke economy. Where's the insult? Are you denying that you're a transsexual? Borrow, or steal, a video camera, strip off and post it on youtube. Prove it's YOU.
    @23. Indeed? Difficult to see a hellhole when viewing it from below. Or perhaps you 'reside' in some privileged area?
    @27. It's not a 'problem'. Just looking for a bit of advance warning of when to laugh loud and long. Very, very loud and very, very, very long. Teach you not to step outside your borders.
    @29. You can't 'commit' colonialism, twat. One way or another, you are a product of colonialism. Have you considered topping yourself? All those indigenous people murdered by YOU!

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @43
    PMSL Pray tell us what you have if anything to export, anyway everything you export is shit. get a fucking grip man.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    48. They really only have food products to export but the problem is they don't meet the USA health standards nor can they prove it. They also use a lot of chemicals we won't allow in the food chain.
    Plus they're unreliable suppliers.
    That is probably the biggest hurdle they have in exporting. I think most people would prefer to pay a bit more and know they're actually going to receive the goods on time and in good condition.

    When I moved to Argentina I asked some people what the country is known for, what do they mfg that goes worldwide and has a brand. There isn't one.
    They don't make anything that someone can't do cheaper and better somewhere else.
    Nestor believed 3 things would save Argentina's economy and people, Tourism, Soy, Cars. All three are gone.
    Nobody wants to visit an expensive country 13 hrs away from civilization by plane to look at a crumbling dirty dangerous place. It used to be cheap to go there now its not. I predicted this many years ago and the likes of Think said I was crazy.
    Soy is done, not only have they destroyed a lot of arable land through over use of pesticides and under fertilization the gov't has destroyed the industry through inflation and taxes.
    Car Mfg is the same as Soy.

    I've long thought once they move into hyperinflation, and they will soon enough, every Int'l mfg will pack up and leave. Just like they have in Venezuela. The cost of factories is nothing to the bottom line. They'll just abandon the country and forget about it.

    Watch and see.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Responses 44 to 49 have reminded how terrorism are mother nature's antibodies. Unfortunately it seems some more antibodies are overdue.

    Burn baby burn, EUia, North Amoland, Ozzer, and Chile.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Well, well, well...
    Our little sack of shite troll at #50 is lashing out after being shown for what he actually is...
    Go ahead and show your teeth, it only makes the rest of us laugh at your pathedic attempts to bother the group.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Chicureo .....notice how he can't offer a distinct, detailed location for me to visit on my next trip to Argentina as I wanted to take a trip to Mendoza......but nothing.

    Nor could he answer a simple question from Don Alberto as the the streets and what that main building is.

    I have more respect for some of the other trolls who are an outright dichotomy of me....but at least they are not liars like him. Everyone should avoid this piece of shit. If he was every in Argentina he would know how the country is in decay and the hard working Argentine's are the ones suffering and paying the prices for the lack of imports.

    One thing he is...a child....a foolishly, aimless child filled with more hate or people he does not know and places he has never been. The next 6 months are going to be the finishing nails on Argentina's cover. NA d now......after spewing his SA unity.....his vitriol hatred has extended to Chile.

    I really hate saying this because it is the people who pay the price, but as a country, it needs a slap down to learn her lesson. She is working it's way up to one thanks to asslips kirchner.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Working Argentines would lose their jobs from availability of imports. You are the lying stick of brown.

    Chichureo is an afterthought. And even more of a liar than you. Not worth my time.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Cap, on the beach in MDP a pancho costs $20 pesos, that's like us paying U$18!! Can you imagine!?
    This is exactly the way the prices rolled out last time they went into hyperinflation.

    I can't wait.

    I find it fascinating that the apathy and stupidity keeps them in this destructive cycle decade after decade, generation after generation, getting poorer and dumber with every year.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    @54

    Traits you share with all of us, since you nor anyone else here has provided solutions for whatever you all claim is wrong. Not once.

    you are just a dumb as the rest of us, make yourself no illusions.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    yb Prices are getting crazy there. Stop in any Havana for a coffee and media luna and you'd shit at the peso prices. I get blue dollar rates from a private banker when I go, but they are still artificially low because U$ in Argentina are more outlawed than narcotics.

    The shortages are what most find the craziest. My wives cousin returned to Argentina after 6 years in the USA. They are very angry and fell they have been sentenced to prison. They will be back though....happy to say. He's a Sr Mgr in a major multi-national and hope so see their return in this year.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    55. I've provided many guidelines ( solutions) to fix the fate of the Rgs. I guess you're just not paying attention.

    First and foremost is rooting out corruption in the Arg Society by any means necessary.
    Second is to teach kids the value of hard work and honesty and to stop being Xenophobic.

    When that done you can move onto the rest of the problems. Its mainly the way Rgs are taught to think. It is backward, they embrace failed ideology. That's why its the only country devolving in the world. The only one.

    You're the perfect example of why it will continue to fail, getting poorer and dumber with every generation.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Look at the positive side of things, Argentina is not anywhere close to as bad as Venezula. The Argentine economy is a serious mass, but all it will take to turn around the situation will be to publicly mass execute all the Peronist politicians...
    ...We did the same with the communists in 1973 and we had the economy booming within a decade...

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    57 and 59 are Exhibits A1a and A1b, of policy platitudes with absolutely 0 chance of ever being feasible, let alone practicable, let alone successful, in the mid 21st century (i.e., mass execute people). The others “root out corruption” remind me of “peace on Earth”: a pathetic answer to a question seeking solutions that is no solution at all since there is no example in human history where corruption, or peace, have ever been achieved and long lasting.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    59. Yep. As everyone here knows I've long said that the only solution is to have a Dictator like Pinochet to fix it and it will take a generation or two of misery but they'll get on the right track.

    56. I read an article last week that most Int'l companies have pulled out their Senior managers (expats) in Arg and left the next level (mostly Rgs) running things. Looks like they're getting ready to bolt and they want the expats far away so they don't end up in jail.

    The key is hyperinflation and the elections, if a K gets in again the Int'l companies will leave.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Most multi nationals there have taken the most aggressive actions that they can legally take to minimize potential losses. I do think that in these elections there will be a major shake up. The youth there, ones who have actually had a formal and objective education and have been abroad will be the key to Argentina's future. Some of these countries education systems are beyond laughable. Cuba......there are college students who have been studying modern American(USA) history and they knew NOTHING of the civil rights movement, MLK and the Civil Rights ACT. How can one study modern American History at a collegiate level and be ignorant to those actions? But as I said.......objective education abroad is the key to Argentina's future. And.....after China implodes.....Russia is already dead we are just waiting for the body to decompose and Brazil is eating Argentina for survival.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    62. There's not enough right thinking people to vote and turn the country around. I think they reached the tipping point long ago and are doomed to have the poor/uneducated continually elect people who will promise them free stuff.

    It won't be long now to see if what I've been saying comes to fruition.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    @62

    I have never head of American History as a course let alone major at a university in Argentina. Talk about an utterly useless curriculum!

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    64. I wouldn't hold up any University in Argentina as an example of higher learning.

    UBA is a disgrace, simply a disgrace.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    Well, but at least there they got it right.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    I do believe Chopper is becoming increasingly frustrated. Economy down the tubes, WTO telling them to stop cheating, and of course the personal failures.
    Telling people he wishes them destruction and death? Bet there's a carbecue somewhere tonight. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/choppers_hot_time_on_the_old_town_zpsea5e5668.jpg

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    You wish that upon me. Why do you think I can't wish the same?

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Not at all, if you were dead, we wouldn't be laughing as hard as we are now. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    66 is like a 33 1/3 with major scratches and he thinks he is the top of the world.

    Tobi......do your RG women a favor and send them some tampons. You will be a hero.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    @70

    Good point, even if the package disappeared in the mail, at least some woman, somewhere there, would have some. Unfortunately he's more likely to burn one alive in a pseudo philosophical exercise. I do hope the gasoline shortage worsens, it would be a lifesaver. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/choppers_hot_time_on_the_old_town_zpsea5e5668.jpg

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @59 They call that Terrorism nowadays, you know. There is no greater sin than that nowadays.

    @61 “ Yep. As everyone here knows I've long said that the only solution is to have a Dictator like Pinochet to fix it and it will take a generation or two of misery but they'll get on the right track.”

    Your solution makes you no better than Al Qaeda.

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  • Cruise ConTroll

    Pinochet succeeded in imposing his system only because he was in power for 2 decades, not the amount of killing. Chileans are not very democratic people so that's why it lasted so long.

    In Argentina the civil institutions were far more active and stronger, which is why no dictatorship lasted longer than 6 years.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    73. My gosh you have a great ability to change historical facts to suit your argument. Is that learned at birth there?

    72. I stand by what I said. Democracy has clearly failed in Argentina, not every country is smart enough or has a mature enough society to be able to have that form of gov't. I think Argentina is best suited under a Dictatorship like most of the Mid-East. I've never really figured out why you think you're up to the level of a civilized society? Its certainly not fact or history that can show it.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    “In Argentina the civil institutions were far more active and stronger”

    No, the Argentine system was far more dysfunctional. Just look at how many presidents are listed as being put in office by fraudulent elections or coups in the modern era. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cruise ConTroll

    @74

    How many US presidents have been assassinated or attempted to be assassinated? How many in Argentina (hint: zero). Yeah, what a civilized society.

    And lets not even get started with Paraguay, who once had a madman declare war on all its neighbors (and caused Paraguay to forever be atrophied), and then a more recent one that lasted for decades.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • imoyaro

    Paraguay? Jajajajajaja! This discussion is about Argentine attempts to break the trade rules they signed on to, and now they are going to pay the price. I just hope that fuel shortage kicks in before you kill again. ;)

    http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/choppers_hot_time_on_the_old_town_zpsea5e5668.jpg

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @74 “I stand by what I said. Democracy has clearly failed in Argentina, not every country is smart enough or has a mature enough society to be able to have that form of gov't. I think Argentina is best suited under a Dictatorship like most of the Mid-East. I've never really figured out why you think you're up to the level of a civilized society? Its certainly not fact or history that can show it.”

    Because by having a dictatorship we would prove we are inferior. It was acceptable back when Europe still dealt with dictatorships, but no longer. If we are to be respected as human beings, we must become civilized through civilized means, and civilized forms of government, as the Western world wants.
    Plus dictatorships are evil. You cannot seriously support dictatorship in the Western world in this day and age. It's like supporting the narcos or the radical Muslims. And of course, once you justify evil acts for good, you become a terrorist and enter the quagmire of moral relativism, which is basically no morality, so your goal becomes pointless, unless your goal is personal gain.
    Anyway the only people who do a dictatorship like the ones in the Middle East in Argentina are the narcos, and narco states are failed states, because narcos cannot get legitimacy. The Western world, and particularly the USA, must have a clean image after all.

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  • yankeeboy

    Paraguay? WTH is talking about Paraguay? I think one day soon Rgs will be begging to be maids in Paraguay tho.
    One day very soon.

    Assassination attempts have nothing to do with the institutes of Democracy. The USA goes on with peaceful transitions from one Administration to the next.

    Argentina has rarely had a peaceful transition, floated in and out of various Dictators and Military rule. You're not smart enough to have a Democracy. It has clearly failed.

    Maybe when you admit that you can look for the type of gov't that suits your society.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Well nice to know that judging by Nostrils' logic then my country is way better than Argentina:

    “In Argentina the civil institutions were far more active and stronger, which is why no dictatorship lasted longer than 6 years.”

    My country is yet to have a dictatorship. Even more active and stronger civil institutions.

    ”How many US presidents have been assassinated or attempted to be assassinated? How many in Argentina (hint: zero). Yeah, what a civilized society.“

    Thankfully we don't have presidents but no Prime Ministers, Premiers or Govenors-General have been assassinated nor ha e there been attempts.

    So more civilised.

    ”Responses 44 to 49 have reminded how terrorism are mother nature's antibodies. Unfortunately it seems some more antibodies are overdue. Burn baby burn, EUia, North Amoland, Ozzer, and Chile.”

    Terrorism has killed more Argentines on Argentinean soil than Australians on Australian soil.

    But most perplexingly. Australia seems to be able to run an economic system that creates prosperity but whenever Argentina attempts to run anything similar it fails and creates economic devastation?

    How is it that Australia with HALF Argentina's population can produce FIVE times the economic output of Argentina every year?

    With a land area 2.8 larger we can build better infrastructure?

    Being more remote geographically and without sharing a similar culture or language with our closest neighbours, we have never been at war with them?

    And Argentina had a 300 year head start on all this.

    To think Argentina was once richer and more prosperous than Australia. So either Australians are better at running a country and economy or Argentineans are worse at running a country and economy.

    Seems both.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    I think this is where tobi fades away for a while.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    The secret to Australia is their lack of corruption. They respect their laws, pay their taxes and encourage free commerce.
    Just about the opposite of Argentines...

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @79 If we are human beings we must achieve civilization through civilized means. Even if we are uncivilized or uneducated, if we are humans, we must do what civilized people do, even if it is unsuited to our society, otherwise we do not even deserve to live.

    @82 Yet there is no convincing explanation as to why some societies are more corrupt than others and seem to be innately so, and no civilized way of how to root out endemic corruption, which is the main reason there is still so much racism, and a resurgence of eugenics.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    The psychology behind criminal actions is simple, for a vast majority, because they can and do. People think before they proceed with criminal actions; that when one commits a crime, it is because the individual decided that it was advantageous to commit the crime. The individual commits the crime from his own free will being well aware of the punishment. And more so that they believe they can get away with it. That is human nature.

    We seem to hold this notion that because we are more intelligent than others animals, we are still afterall.....only animals. The instinct to survive is stronger than the instinct to be good....or good as a general, broad based accepted definitive of what good it.

    If we really what to talk about who deserves to life......do we base that on theology or Darwin?

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    83. And if you can't achieve civilization through peaceful means? What then? How long with the apathy of the Arg citizens put up with getting poorer and dumber every generation?
    When I first moved there I liked that I could do anything I wanted and throw a few bucks at the problem to get rid of it.
    Then I realized that's was the basis for your Societal collapse.

    Argentina can not and will not grow on the path its on. That is a given.

    So how do you fix it when the majority of the population cheers and survives with the corruption?

    It is endemic and a part of your very core.
    It boggles the mind.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Anyone else having issues with MP? I thought maybe it was the ice storm but I have no other issues with other sites.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @86 “And if you can't achieve civilization through peaceful means? What then? ”

    Then we are “inferior”, just like the blacks.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Did I ask “then what”you racist piece of waste. Only people without strength beg for peace.

    Actually one would be inferior more like an Argentine. I really hope you RGS fuck with the Falklands so the Brits can re-school your assessment on what it means to be human.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @88 Sorry my comment was meant for yankeeboy, my mistake. And I don't think blacks are inferior, what I meant was that the blacks the ones who are the most discriminated against, by any race, even blacks themselves, and particularly by the most “civilized” countries.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Ok...my apologies. Second time I tried posting this. MP keeps crashing. Blacks need to help themselves also. They do more harm idolI zing gangsta lifestyles and racustomer like Al Sharpton......the biggest reverse racist. HD would prefer another civil war. But overall....blacks are bether off but again have to want to be better. But that can be said also of whites.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 07:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    “Argentina downplays WTO adverse ruling and considers possible negotiations with litigants”

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! Looks like “The more things change, the more they stay the same” A New Year, same ol' argentina.

    Same ol' tobi/TTT/tittyboitobi trying to defend the indefensible. argentina caught ( again ) with it's hands in the cookie jar / not playing by the rules and trying to slime it's way out of trouble ( again )

    Let's add this to the list shall we? This will help them rush down the road to stagflation........... and they only have themselves to blame.

    Of course, if you listen, the same old excuses come rolling out:- “But it's everyone else's fault” and “But we didn't think it was wrong”

    same old, same old.

    Jan 18th, 2015 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Did everyone hear that the special prosecutor was murdered?

    Jan 19th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    “Argentina downplays WTO adverse ruling and considers possible negotiations with litigants”

    Jeez, what is wrong with these people? The judgement has been made. There is nothing to 'analyse' nor 'negotiate'. If you want to be a global player, you accept that you must play by the rules of the game.
    Something Argentina seems to have an ongoing problem with.....

    Jan 21st, 2015 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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