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Argentine Jewish community wants a 'Day of national mourning', for the burial of Nisman
The head of Argentina's DAIA Jewish community organization Julio Schlosser has urged for the day of Alberto Nisman's burial to be an official “day of national mourning”, in tribute to the late prosecutor who was found dead this week. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesTMBOA pisses on everybody outside of her little cabal.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0She will take no notice of these people, neither will Gollum.
There are a quarter of a million Argentine Jews and they are both politically as well as economicly powerful.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not a group you want to have against you...
Timerman is a disgrace to his family and his religion.
Mr. Chicureo
Jan 24th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please inform yourself...
1) The two Jewish organizations mentioned above (DAIA & AMIA) have changed radically during the past 30 years and today they only represent about 5% of the Argentinean Jews...
2) What does a retired right wing Chilean naval officer know about what an who constitutes a disgrace for the Jewish religion?
With respect THINK, Jacobo Timerman's son is most likely up to his neck in complicity of this scandal.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(A minor correction by the way, I remain as a reserve officer. I have not retired officially and although fairly inactive, retain my rank.)
I've long said the Ks were murderous thugs.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It just takes others longer to see what's so plain for me.
The sistahs remain uneducated apologists for the rotting corrupted regime.
Nothing changes.
Its makes me sick.
Tell you what, Chicureo...
Jan 24th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Jacobo's boy (or Mme. Kirchner) are, in any way, found responsible for the death of Mr. Nisman, I will change my nick to...: “Think, an old useless Turnip that can't Think”... and slowly glide in oblivion...
But..., If somehow it is proven, within reason, that Hector & Cristina are innocent, You will “Think” twice before allowing yourself to be so blatantly manipulated...
Deal?
Has anyone posting here said Hector or Christina ordered the murder of Nisman?
Jan 24th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do Think some were supporting the suicide theory until CFK changed her mind.
“If somehow it is proven, within reason, that Hector & Cristina are innocent, ” LOL! 'within reason”, not completely. An important distinction because I doubt anyone would refer to CFK as completely innocent in the grand scheme of things.
@ 6 Lunatic
Jan 24th, 2015 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Jacobo Timerman's son is most likely up to his neck in complicity of this scandal.”
Complicity has may shades, Lunatic: it does not mean they murdered him because clearly neither of them have the balls to do anything themselves, never mind murder.
The scenario where his murder was discussed in front of these two arseholes IS believable and by saying nothing they would be complicit in his death. But we all know the truth of this matter will also die with Nisman.
I should change your nick without delay to “The Lying Lunatic NOT of Chubut”. It fits you perfectly.
Bahahahaha, Think! It obvious to even the lowliest knuckle dragger that TMBOA and her cohort ARE directly or indirectly the only persons responsible for Nisman's death. He was just about to finger her and Gollum and whether they arranged it, or whether with or without their knowledge someone else did, that reason was undoubtably the motive for the killing or his suicide.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So… oblivion open up for one prize turnip right now… . (by the way oblivion, don't get excited!)
Has anyone else considered what was going on in the 8 hours between the security detail being unable to get an answer from Nisman and them finally accessing the apartment? 8 long hours.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And what was Sergio Berni doing there ahead of the investigating team?
Amazing that we have people who are so stupid in Argentina they will continue to follow the government propaganda even when they are murdering their own citizens. What people will do for a choripan!
Jan 24th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, you are a Merkin and a disgrace to our country!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7zpt6aIAAAbPdb.jpg
Jan 24th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. Hey ho, Twinky Poo, dragged yourself up from the depths of senile dementia, have you? Not far enough. Still senile, still demented.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your proof that DAIA & AMIA only represent about 5% of the Argentinean Jews? What's that word 'about'? Is 95% 'about' 5%?
Do you 'Think' that an argie peronist supporter of murder should be criticising anyone?
How do you get to be so presumptuous as to use the word 'think' for your monicker when you so obviously don't?
@6. Sorry, we need you to do something better. Never mind gliding slowly into oblivion. I'm sure you have a suitable camera purchased with the money paid to you by the criminal conspiracy called the 'government'. Arrange for a video, to be posted on youtube, showing you re-enacting Nisman's murder. Live ammunition, mind! If you successfully shoot yourself through the head, the pool of blood, the position of the dropped weapon are close to the Nisman scene AND you're dead, we might admit you could have been right.
@7. Yes, Elaine, I did. It doesn't matter what the route of the 'instruction' was. Consider. Normal investigative approach. Who benefits? The Iranians? But Kirchner & co were already protecting them. Who could give an order for a murder? Timerman? With his incompetence, he would probably have arranged for himself to be killed. Kirchner is the only suspect. Means, motive and opportunity. Who's the head of government? There's means. Motive? About to be revealed as a corrupt criminal that would completely lose power, stolen money and any chance of getting out of prison. Opportunity? A bit foolish of Mr Nisman. He should have spent that night with friends in a secure house. Or perhaps an unidentifiable hotel with major security. Perhaps he should have flown out and spent the weekend in the U.S?
I haven't heard all the evidence (most of which is disappearing rapidly anyway) but there are two scenarios that seem quite possible.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) CFK and Timerman implied they wanted this whole thing to go away and one of their rabid supporters did it but very badly. So badly that the original plan of claiming it was suicide had to be revised quickly. Hence CFK being absolutely sure of suicide and then not.
They have been very quick to rubbish the evidence against them, rather than showing any respect for a dead man. Who knows what evidence was tampered with in the missing 8 hours.
2) This:
”Nisman legally owned two guns, but the one found right next to his body wasn’t his. In fact, it belonged to “an assistant and friend” named Diego Lagormarsino, who immediately came forward to say he owned the firearm.
According to Lagomarsino, Nisman himself asked to borrow the gun “for safety reasons”. Lagomarsino says the prosecutor told him he had been contacted by the former head of the Secretariat of Intelligence (SI) Antonio Stiusso, who warned him “not to trust his security detail” and “make sure his daughters were safe”.
Stiusso, you may recall, was relieved of his post by Cristina a month ago after a shake up that was largely interpreted as a power struggle within the SI. The President replaced him with former presidential secretary Oscar Parrilli, a man she trusted”
SIDE or SI is fragmented and powerful. It has a load of money and is unaccountable to anyone. They claim the 'agents' feeding Nisman information were not on the government books. Well, there are no books. Spies don't appear on any books.
It could just be that this was arranged to implicate the government in revenge.
Either way, CFK looks bad and is probably very scared.
Just goes to show, that nothing has changed much in Argentina since the days of the dirty war.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 06. STINK is just towing the governments line. He is a bought and paid for half a whore that knows who signs his checks..
Jan 24th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6
Jan 24th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Drink, while clearly K sock puppet, you would at least seem to have an alibi. Living the gaucho dream to the hilt. ;)
http://www.bubblear.com/violent-anti-semitic-attack-chabut-hostel/
they will either find a patsy or a scapegoat to be arrested,
Jan 24th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then mysteriously shot so he cant give evidence just like Oswald,
it may never be solved , just sherlocking mmm
Nisman's famous “denonciation” of Cristina was in fact 385 pages filled with innuendo, falsehoods and wiretaps done by the intelligence services.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. It talks about two intelligence agents who were NOT members of the services.
2. It talks about Argentina seeking the end of Interpol's red alerts against Iranian suspects. Interpol has denied that Argentina had EVER done such request.
3. It says the motive to let Iran out of the loop was to improve trade by exchanging grains by Iran oil. Not a drop of Iranian oil ever made it to Argentina.
It follows that the Argentina government was the first interested in having Nisman go answer questions from opposition and pro-government legislators, scheduled one day after his untimely death.
If most of those posting above want to speak against the Argentina government, please do so but learn some facts at least instead of just keeping your old, tired ranting.
@19
Jan 24th, 2015 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you have read all 385 pages of the evidence and all 380 CDs or tapes? No-one will know the truth as Argentina doesn't do truth.
19 Enriques
Jan 24th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are we to believe that you have already read the 385 pages of his report and understood all the references to all the parties involved and who they are?
Are we to believe that you are qualified to competently analyse what was written, and have cross-referenced each entry to verify or positively dismiss what is written?
It sounds like you are now reading from the second, revised, version of government diversion propaganda.
How are you privileged to have all this documentation available to you, when the case still supposedly being actively investigated??
I don't think the media or the public are fully privy to that, or it would have been printed.
CFK's gov. went from insistently condemning Nisman as a mentally-ill traitor, with a vendetta against CFK, to now saying he was a noble man of integrity who was misled by the mysterious “conspirators” against CFK, who ultimately murdered Nisman!
On the other hand,
There was a direct threat to CFK and her Presidency, and Timerman looked like he would be exposed publicly as well, as traitor to his religion, and the 85 Argentine citizens murdered by terrorists.
We know that Nisman had 10 “bodyguards” from the Security Force that had conflicted loyalties to the State Judiciary vs CFK's Government.
Nisman had 2 of his own guns, but was killed by another gun belonging to someone else.Why would he “borrow” another gun?
The Security Force did not investigate his 'failure to answer' for 8 hours.
He had stated clearly and loudly that over 10 years he and his 30 man team, had collected clear evidence, enough to implicate Timerman and CFK directly in a coverup.
The day before PUBLIC testimony, he was murdered.
The people in the street are demonstrating in the thousands because they have drawn the intelligent conclusion that Nisman was murdered on CFK's behalf.
Justice for Nisman!!
THINK,
Jan 24th, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm nearly certain that Timerman has nothing to do with Nisman's murder. I still think he's a disgrace, but he's not stupid.
It makes no logical sense for the Argentinian government to have caused this worldwide outrage.
After a lot of thought, I cannot imagine CFK would allow herself to be involved, but she's hard to understand. Was she really expecting to get away with eliminating him testifying?
Outlaw SI agents? Ex-SI Agents? Syrian or Iranian agents?
We ARE being manipulated, but by whom?
So many unanswered questions, but probably Señor THINK you will not have to change your name.
Dinner on this warm evening is erizos, machas and cochayuyo salad. Desert is another dram of that 12 year Islay. No roasted turnips however...
Think and the rest of the sistahs haven't been right about one thing in the many years he's been posting the drivel he oozes.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus he already has changed his nick many times depend on who he wants to pretend being at the moment.
He's not fooling anyone but himself.
Disgusting filthy apologist.
(19) Enrique Massot
Jan 24th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if you have read the 290 pages of Alberto Nisman's AMIA denunciation...
I certainly have... and, as the BA Herald rightly informed us, there was no beef on it...
None whatsoever...
Hereby a link to the complete text that has been freely available for about four days...:
http://www.telam.com.ar/movil/notas/201501/92562-denuncia-alberto-nisman-encubrimiento-causa-amia.html
(22) Chicureo
Well..... that's a drastic change from your harsh position some four days ago...:
---“20 Chicureo Jan 19th, 2015 - 11:15 am
The murder of Alberto Nisman is an outrage.
CFK and Timerman should be hanged.”---
...Happy we didn't follow your “Milico Solution”...;-)
Erizos, machas and cochayuyo huhhhh... ?Envyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!
We right wing navy types typically fire our cannons and then inquire later if they were pirates or not. Sort of like the original Sea Wolf who was Chile's greatest sea hero.
Jan 24th, 2015 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile's greatest sea hero?
Jan 25th, 2015 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0You mean.......... Toribio Merino?
:-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Think = The Merkin who will sell his soul for a Choripan.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, the great Lord Cochrane, the greatest Chilean naval hero.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I had no admiration for Merino. No one in the academy liked that arogant SOB.
Now to pay you back for that insult:
Erizos were sweet and the machas a la parmesana were to die for. I'm on my second dram of Islay right now...
You should be feeling pain right now, pain of envy.
;)
I thought your most revered was that spying Prat lawyer...
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyhow, you merciless Shilean Sadist...
Machas a la Parmigiana, you say...
I'm suffering now...
Happy?
No, the great Lord Cochrane, the greatest Chilean naval hero.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I had no admiration for Merino. No one in the academy liked that arogant SOB.
Now to pay you back for that insult:
Erizos were sweet and the machas a la parmesana were to die for. I'm on my second dram of Islay right now...
You should be feeling pain right now, pain of envy.
;)
10 ElaineB
Jan 25th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Has anyone else considered what was going on in the 8 hours between the security detail being unable to get an answer from Nisman and them finally accessing the apartment? 8 long hours.”
I don't think that there is ever going to be a “complete and impartial” investigation into his death.........do you?
I also don't hold much hope for the investigation into the argentine governments “cover up” into the BA bombing either. I am afraid that whatever hope of shining a light on the truth of that matter, died with Nsman.
Argentina needs international help in this crisis. France had help. Other countries have. The Miami Herald has a great article today regarding this.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article8036553.html
So, the journalist from the Buenos Aires Herald that broke the story in a tweet has had to flee the country.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““My phones have been wiretapped,” he tells me, while explaining that he had to leave the Herald’s newsroom in a hurry without even telling his superiors that he had to go dark. His car is now abandoned at the Herald’s parking lot. He didn’t want to take the time to retrieve it.
“Ever since this whole thing started, a close source that I’ve trusted for years and knows their way around the intelligence world started hinting that things were bad. I don’t know when they started following me. I’m not going to say anything yet, but I can say that I received a message from the Government that I understood was targeting me. I later found out I was right”.”
http://www.bubblear.com/damian-pachter-left-the-country-after-fearing-for-his-life-this-is-what-he-told-me/
““I had confirmation today,” he adds. “They told me to leave because they were after me”. And so he did.
As for why he was being followed, or why his phones were being tapped, Damian prefers to be cryptic and offer little to no information. “I fucked up their plans with that tweet. I feel like I screwed things up for them,” he says.
“I’ll come back to the country when my sources tell me the situation has changed. Probably not while this government is still in office,” he says.”
They needed more time to fix the crime scene and destroy the evidence against the CFK.
Read the full article.
Some comments to Turnipette's (33) post...:
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well.... I did read the full article and...:
1) The final paragraph our Turnipette writes at(33)..: “They needed more time to fix the crime scene and destroy the evidence against the CFK”...
does NOT appear anyWhere on that article...
2) The article doesn't mention that young Damián Pachter is a full Israeli Citizen & a convinced Zionist that has served his full three years of military service in the Holy Land...
3) The article doesn't mention that young Damián Pachter is right now, as I type, in Israel, summoned by???
Geeeeeee.....
I smell Mossad all over the place...
Gads you're a nutty old racist.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the mossad wanted the old hag gone shed be gone.
I still have hope of her rotting in a USA jail for being a narco.
Filthy apologist.
You have no shame.
@34. Let me help you. I put quotation marks where I QUOTED from the article. It is not that hard to understand. You are being a bit of a Potato Head. Panicking are you?
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you explain why La Campora Airlines published his personal details and flight out of the country, in full, despite it being confidential?
Are you suggesting the journalist did it? Hmmm.
Turnipette at (36)
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, YOU DIDN'T put quotation marks where YOU QUOTED from the article...:
Paragraph 6) of your comment Nr. (33)...:
As for why he was being followed, or why his phones were being tapped, Damian prefers to be cryptic and offer little to no information. “I fucked up their plans with that tweet. I feel like I screwed things up for them,” he says
Turnip......ette!
@37 Maybe some new glasses? I can see the quotation marks.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem very panicky about this story. Relax. You can't control the story.
http://www.bubblear.com/aerolineas-argentinas-casa-rosada-try-to-rat-out-fleeing-journalist/
La Campora Airlines.
Today's satirical caricature on Pagina 12 more than adequately summarizes the quality of Turnipette's Elaine &Co. “incriminating material”
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.pagina12.com.ar/fotos/20150125/rudypaz/na01di01.gif
@38
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess it's not breaking the law if the Kleptocrat orders it. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
Elaine,
Jan 25th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for posting this eye opening information.
Incredible!
Think
Does not look good for the CFK government. No matter whether the President had any connection with the murder or not. Who knows? Maybe the government didn't actually kill Nisman. Maybe our dear Iranian friends did it...
In any case, it's certain the Mossad has been monitoring the situation, and you can damn well be assured that their agents are in BA doing their own investigation.
@41 Definitely worth following Bubblear.com Adrian Bono also write in Spanish on Infobae. They are about as impartial as any reporting from Argentina. The journalists live there, love it, often defend it (though never specifically the government - they regard them as a joke, albeit a dangerous one), and take the piss out of the things we do. Something most Argentines can't do.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It confirms that even if CFK was not behind the murder, her goons were on the scene before the police knew of it. They had eight long hours to tamper with the evidence and probably calculated for longer. No wonder they are pissed at Pachter. Watch the government destroy his reputation.
Think is terribly keen to discredit me. I didn't know my comments held such power to be a threat to the K's. Well, well.
Elaine,
Jan 25th, 2015 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations!
Perhaps, he's just a bit worried about having to change his name...
Although your thought that the SI just felt it was their responsibility to silence Nisman makes more sense than her personally ordering the hit.
#43 the buck still stops at the top.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(41) Chicureo...
Jan 25th, 2015 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If anybody..., ever..., was..., in any way..., dubious about Mossad “Monitoring” the situation in Buenos Aires and doing their own “Investigation”..., they were awaken last year by the candid “Gaffe” of former Israeli ambassador to Argentina, Mr. Izhak Aviran, who declared...:
”Israel has killed most of the perpetrators responsible for the deadly attacks on its embassy and on the Argentine Jewish Charities Federation (AMIA) building in Buenos Aires, former Israeli ambassador to Argentina...”
http://www.prensajudia.com/shop/detallenot.asp?notid=36200
Of course..., all that was later officially denied by the Israeli government...
They need any existing and nonexisting reason to keep the focus on Iran as a great threat..., especially now, when the USA and the EU have become bed-mates with Iran in their fight against their common new enemy...: The Islamic State.
@43 I don't think CFK ordered Nisman's murder. I do think some of the people around her are out of control and may have taken the initiative while she was wheelchair bound after yet another fall. Her use of Facebook to air her thoughts on this crisis is testament to her lack of lucidity and intelligence.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would be very interesting to find out why CFK fired Stiuso and 30 other intelligence officers. A bold move since he knows where all the bodies are buried.
I have no doubt there are a number of intelligence agencies operating in Argentina. It is what they do.
Going back for a moment to one of my favourite topics here at Mercopress... The Malvinas.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have found some untwistable evidence.. (of near ElaineB / A. Nisman quality!) that proves, without the shadow of a doubt, that the Falklands Oil and Gas story is a SCAM of Nigerian proportions!
http://www.thescamstop.com/engr-james-brown-falkland-oil-and-gas-scam/
Enjoy :-)))
@47 True to the K's strategy of deflect when beaten. Well done pet Think.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't click links but are you seriously asking people to read something on a website called 'thescamstop'. Haha. Why not 'looneybonkersconspiracy.com'?
This turnip believes think is desperate.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Drink needs to stay focused on the topic at hand. ;)
Jan 25th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperqueen_zps9decebe2.jpg
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperqueen_zps9decebe2.jpg
Nice to see Mr Think has surfaced here.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting times ahead for Mrs Kirchner and her most ardent admirer, unless of course he ditches her as her utterings and explanations become even more ridiculous.
Hoped you saved a few of those nails for yourself......old chap.
Geeeeeeee.......
Jan 25th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think is “panicking”, says Engrish Turnipette at (38)...
Think is “a bit worried” says my Shilean hermanito at (43)...
Think is “desperate” says self-proclaimed Yankee Turnip at (49)...
Think “needs to stay focused” says a third Anglo Turnip at (50)...
... I Think a nice cup of tea* will help me stop panicking, worrying a bit, being desperate & staying focused...
(*Margaret's Hope First Flush Darjeeling, two sugars & a cloud of milk..., as usual ;-)))))))))
Top Gear is on now and Clarkson, Hammond and May have ALL got Chilean flag lapel pins!
Jan 25th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bahahahaha… .
The good part about this is the whole world sees Argentina as a basket case ruled by delusional violent thugs.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally
I wonder shat took so long?
I've been saying it for many years.
Captain Silver
Jan 25th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love it!
THINK
Perhaps mate de coca would be a more appropriate tea selection for you. It helps calm the mind a bit.
Then again, knocking back three or four drams of Speyside works for me.
The Falklands oil deal sounds really profitable. It probably will be just about as successful as the Islands becoming a part of Argentina.
My favorite Chilean Mossad agent is Ziva David aka Cote de Pablo. In reality, there are resident Mossad cells throughout South America and they are scary. The disbanded DINA went against them a couple of times in the past and really got their asses kicked. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, you really don't want the Jews pissed off at you. They have a long memory...
However, if I was a Jewish journalist, that just recently pissed off the SI, I'd probably book a flight for Israel as well...
Mind you,
Jan 25th, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you lot will be either laughing or choking,
if it turns out to be the Butler.
just saying , Sir,
lol
(55) Chicureo
Jan 25th, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please correct me if I'm wrong...:
1) The argument of this Jewish “journalist”... seems to be that he somehow pissed off the SIDE plans by tweeting that “something was going on” at Nisman's apartment at about 00:00 AM last Monday...
2) That was nearly ONE HOUR AFTER Nisman's own MOTHER had entered the apartment (at circa 23:00 last Sunday) with a bunch of other people an more than a HALF HOUR AFTER the medics and an ambulance were required...
Could you please explain to this old simple minded man why the SIDE should be “pissed” over our young Israeli “journalist” tweet?
than
Señor THINK
Jan 25th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, I really don't know. I'm fairly ignorant of the facts. Who knows?
We learned in the signals office to never take any assumptions about Argentineans, especially when it came from upper levels of the government.
My question is why a Jewish journalist would suddenly flee to Israel. Was he just being paranoid?
I've been reading some recent articles in the Israeli press which are scandalous. (I know, you think they are mouth pieces for the Mossad, but you are so wrong...
...Shin Bet controls them instead...
Just finished a modest simple dinner of cold chicken as my wife is headed for Lago Ranco and the nana is off today. Tomorrow however I dine in Providencia at the Bar Liguria and plan to ask for an opinion of my ex-jefe. Should be interesting as his wife is a porteña, who's father served under Jorge Rafael Videla... Have a good evening.
That “Bar Liguria” seems to be a nice place...
Jan 25th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like them pictures on the wall...
http://liguria.cl/images/galeria/mirar/IMG_0293.jpg
;-)
Walked to many nice bars and restaurants in that area from my hotel. You always seem safe unlike in BA.
Jan 25th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is the story:
Jan 25th, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ali Akbar Velayati:
When you understand his influence on Cretina and Obamie you can understand the range of possibility.
THINK
Jan 25th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The three separate Bar Liguria restaurants in Providencia have their walls covered with posters and pictures all kinds of stuff, including of the Chilean Left: the Socialist Party, the Communist Party, the Radical Party, the Social Democratic Party, the Independent Popular Action and MAPU (Movimiento de Acción Popular Unitario)
So why would two right wing old naval officers go there for lunch?
Because the food is incredible. The service is excellent. The ambiance is superb. They even have an older gentleman play tango music while dining.
Allende and Che are on the walls as well.
The prices are a bit steep, but still in the range of most places in Santiago.
And yes, the city is safe by Argentine standards, although crime is rising.
Its the the first journalist the Ks killed. Good thing he got away in time.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Filthy thugs
2015 certainly is starting off with a bang.
And its all downhill from here...
YB
Jan 26th, 2015 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0They will probably never encounter the true murderers, but CFK will probably alwas be implicated. What a sad legacy...
TROLL CHALLENGE:
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ten (10) good things about Argentina that can't be challenged. This is a TEAM TROLL event so you can put it all in one entry or Tink/Vice/Sistahs/Choopy/Smaegol or anyone pretending to be from Mendoza can log in his/her(its) account. One hour only - GO TROLLIES!
1./ Good looking girls 2./ Good wine 3./ Blue rate on pesos 4./ Cheap meat / asados 5./ Not much else
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 052 Think
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0... I Think a nice cup of tea* will help me stop panicking, worrying a bit, being desperate & staying focused...
I think you need a Berano en la costa con papa :-)
(62) Chicureo
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 01) “The three separate Bar Liguria restaurants in Providencia have their walls covered with posters and pictures...”
............. Yeah.... but I bet they don't have one of Marmaduke Grove...
2) “Why would two right wing old naval officers go there for lunch?”
.............¿Because they serve patitas de chancho?
http://m.forward.com/blogs/forward-thinking/213451/why-i-fled-argentina-after-alberto-nisman-scoop/
Jan 26th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The agency quoted a supposed tweet of mine that I never wrote.”
Paranoid or smart?
I read Pachter's story on another media site last night and I sincerely hope he doesn't decide to write a book. It would be in the kindling pile along with every Dan Brown books; so badly written it makes my teeth itch.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He probably would have been compelled (under the new anti terrorism laws) to reveal his source and that would be a catastrophe. That alone was a good reason to leave the country. The rest of his account sounds like a bit of hysteria whipped up by lack of sleep, adrenalin and a natural bent towards the dramatics.
Was his life at risk? Based on his story, not outside of a bad movie. He has never blamed CFK for the death of Nisman. The Argentine Intelligence Agent sounds like a lot of badly dressed men I have seen in Argentina and amateurish at best. His fear of Retiro Station and taxi drivers is valid for everyone. I would never go to the bus station especially after dark and I have had a few scary moments in taxis in that city and heard some real horror stories.
That said, he seems to have been encouraged in his belief that he was in danger by people he trusted and he is an Argentine Jew who left his mama before the age of 50, so he must have been frightened.
Though, one has to wonder why the government was so keen to misquote him and why the K supporters were at pains to discredit him. Anyone they try to destroy is immediately validated in my view.
@14. Wow, two legally owned guns and he had to 'borrow' one. Curious.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19. Shut up, stupid. You don't have enough brain to comment, troll boy.
@24. TWINKY Poo. I can only go on the basis of what I read. What about the, apparent, missing 95 pages, dumbo?
@32. Do you think a nuclear missile would be appropriate? There's no way that argieland would permit a proper international investigation. The result would be CFK being dragged through the streets on a hook through her throat.
@34. TWINKY Poo. But you're an argie government slug!
@37. TWINKY Poo. Also argie arse. Shove your fingers where you enjoy them. Then up your nose. Back where you enjoy them. Then down your throat. Further. Further. Further. Reached your elbow yet?
@39. Wouldn't sully my browser.
@46. She's the top 'thing'. She's responsible. Bang her up. Never to be banged again.
@47. Wanker.
@52. TWINKY Poo. On the other hand, a spike through your dick should give you something else to think about. Or perhaps I should pop down with a kukri.
@57. TWINKY Poo. Would have thought it was easy. You're old, senile and BLIND.
@67, 68. Shit from the cesspit.
Elaine
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...an Argentine Jew who left his mama before the age of 50, so he must have been frightened...”
Terribly true and hilarious. You really should consider writing humor.
THINK
There were four of us right wing reserve and retired navy desk sailors for lunch at the Bar Liguria. All of us at one time worked in the signals office. One of our group complained that they had Italian extra virgin olive oil on the table, (Chilean is FAR better) but otherwise, the meal was Michelin 3 stars.
We talked about the British defense journalist who supposedly “hung himself” years ago in Santiago and the Bourne Legacy movie where they attempt to make a doctor's murder look like a suicide.
Our non-scientific guesses after two good bottles of Carménère is the following:
SI or former ex-SI. 80%
Syrians or Iranians. 10%
Hit man ordered directly by CFK. 5%
Clarin to discredit CFK. 2%
Mossad. 1%
Brazil's ABIN 1% (Dilma really dislikes CFK)
Some other intelligence organization. 0.5%
Nisman actually committed suicide. 0.5%
The Chinese neighbor. 0.25
THINK. 0.25% (one of my thoughts that I kept silent about)
My former commander who's birthday is today, keeps a pied-à-terre in Recoleta, but hasn't been there since New Years. Still he's completely certain it's the SI.
So there you have it. All you have to do now is to do a bit of water boarding, raid the Clarin newspaper and break into the Mossad database to refine our carefully evaluated results.
No news about the security tapes, which always get reviewed in the movies...
For a country that s supposed to be innocent,
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0its seems to be doing everything it can to stop the truth coming out.
Chicureo, the SI is under the secretariat of the President… .? What does that say?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps if you had been drinking Malbec you might have got a more accurate answer?
BTW Think has difficulty pissing in a pot these days.
@74 Well yes and no. Presidents come and go but the spies stay. They report to the President but are pretty unaccountable and have a huge budget - no questions asked.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It has suggested the scandal involves a power struggle at Argentina's intelligence agency.
Antonio Stiusso, a senior Argentine spy, was fired in a December shake-up of the agency, where one of his duties was to help Nisman with the investigation into the 1994 bombing.
The government says it was Stiusso who falsely told Nisman that the two men who helped him build his case of a cover-up were state intelligence agents.
The man who on Saturday lent Nisman the gun used to kill him the following day has reportedly said Nisman was warned by Stiusso to take steps to protect himself from his own state-assigned bodyguards.”
Stiusso worked for SIDE or SI for more than 20 years and was by all accounts 'feared'. CFK fired him just last month. Now Nisman is dead and Stiusso is reportedly out of the country. Hmmmm.
Captain Silver
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Elaine makes some very valid points and my lunch companions talked especially about Stiusso, but its very probable the current agents of the SI participated, not the ex.
As far as Malbec, the Argentines seem to have mastered the variety better than Chile. Our selection error was not to have ordered 4 bottles instead of 2.
You have to laugh at some of the updates. From Bubblear.com:
Jan 26th, 2015 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ramón Allan Héctor Bogado, the supposed SI agent and link between Cristina’s government and Iranian officials, is apparently just a slightly nutty dude with self-aggrandizement problems. Bogado was denounced last November for showing up at public offices claiming he was a member of the SI, which is presumably not someone in an intelligence agency would do. But this is all coming from the government, which is grasping at any information that would seem to vindicate CFK & co.”
When you have such an incompetent President and her hand-picked crack team (anyone who flatters her) in charge you can't rule out anything, however crackpot it sounds.
Elaine
Jan 27th, 2015 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0But look at it from a cold perspective.
Who would have gained from the suicide?
My first reaction was CFK and Timerman, but they actually have to most to lose from what we've seen so far.
The Clarin seems to have benifitted the most so far... Increased circulation and blood letting to their foes...
We are missing the security video showing Señor Think skulking outside the service elevator wearing gloves and dark glasses...
She just announced she is abolishing the intelligence service. But how can she if she doesn't even know who the spies are. This should get very interesting. ;)
Jan 27th, 2015 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@78
Jan 27th, 2015 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am fairly sure it is related to CFK deciding to sack 30 spies - the daft old woman - and one or a number of them showing their muscle. If the news is she has decided to abolish the entire I.S. she is more scared than I thought. She is, of course, quite mad. They won't disappear, they know where the bodies are buried and now they don't have to report to her. She has just unleashed them.
No one seems to have their story straight. Even the 'agents' guarding Nisman are giving wildly conflicting statements. It is almost as if they are being deliberately obstructive.
“We are missing the security video showing Señor Think skulking outside the service elevator wearing gloves and dark glasses…” Have we checked where he was? :)
@80
Jan 27th, 2015 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect he has an alibi. ;)
http://www.bubblear.com/violent-anti-semitic-attack-chabut-hostel/
Probably we will find out that he was involved in a heist of 18 year old single malts, but not in an assault against an ethnic group.
Jan 27th, 2015 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the El Mercurio, they devoted nearly the entire A6 page to the Nisman case.
CFK firing SI is about as smart as her earlier actions regarding the murder.
Sort of like Hitler opening another front with Russia during WWII.
Pissing off the SI while confronting the world, especially the Jews, is the end.
The El Mercurio is the most important newspaper in Chile and its announced that this is the end of the K regime.
@82
Jan 27th, 2015 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love the remark about opening a front with Russia for personal reasons. I'll be watching El Mercurio in future. Thanks for the tipoff. ;)
El Mercurio Monday page A6
Jan 27th, 2015 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you , Sir. ;)
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