Brazil is ready to preserve the advances achieved by Mercosur but as long as the block does not turn into 'a burden' when it comes to negotiate trade agreements with third parties, according to Agriculture minister Katia Abreu. Read full article
Only two comments :
1) ”Brazil supportive of Mercosur “as long as it does not turn into a burden”...
What the hell is Brazil waiting for ?? Mercosur has long-proven that it IS a burden, and has been for years....time to stop the talking and get down to action.
2) .....so that we can make sure that South America becomes “a zone free of foot and mouth disease”.....
The problem is the disease called foot in mouth”, which most latam governments suffer from.
It's such a ridiculous state of affairs when Brazil is so insular anyway. They import and export bugger all as a percentage of their GDP. They've got to trade more to grow, Mercosul setting the rules will suffocate them long term.
@9 Hippy
When the Mercosur was created, some 20 years ago, it was indeed a good idea. The only problem is that now, besides having been turned into more of a political tool than a trading one, it denies Brazil the right to negotiate unilateral trade agreements with other partners, that have something to offer, without dragging the whole Mercosur, and it's problems, namely Argentina and Venezuela, behind it. The fact that it today, relatively speaking, is dominated by Brazil, is proof of what I say above : it's partners have fallen behind, making the whole thing, as it is now, a burden to Brazil.
There's nothing like harder times, recession and more unemployment to put a bit of pressure on the Brazilian establishment and hopefully change for the better. Talk is cheap though and I suspect Brazil will still be ranting about this next year too. What has also been a great kick in the backside for these Mercosul idiots is the success of the Pacific Alliance and the sensible and integrated policies they have to trade with the world.
@11Tik Tok
Hope the idiots in the PT can overcome their populist tendencies, in trying to suck up to all the crappy dictators and failed economies currently in the Mercosur, and do what has to be done. But as you implied, necessity is the mother of invention.
@13 yb
Can't disagree with your rationale.....but there is still one thing that can save Brazil...it has in the past, and might well do again...the Military...I know that to you, a US citizen, this sounds ludicrous, I mean who in hell would want to live under a military regime ??....maybe someone who has done so before, and had nothing to fear from it. It's a matter of comparing the military, to where this damned PT government is taking us.....and I prefer the former.
During the military administrations Brazil went backwards by 30 years. It is only now that the problems causes by those administrations are being addressed. And, as a result, the military became so unpopular that they will not be installing a junta any time soon. They have learned their lesson.
And so has the US. It is in the interests of the US that all of America is governed by constitutional and democratic government. This is true even in those instance where the people elect those with whom we may disagree in policy terms.
@15 Hippy
I don't know from where you get the absurd, if not infantile, idea that I rule anything....and that you, stupidly infer that I reveal my inner thug....just listen to yourself, making judgement on an issue you have never lived through, have no idea what it was like - with its good AND bad points - but I reckon it's no use trying to reason with you. But I will say, and you can deny it until you are blue in the face, the military regime, besides keeping Brazil from communism, was only UNdemocratic against the idiots who raised up in arms against it , having tried to topple the previous (democratically elected government ) without success, and then trying their damndest against the military, and failing. Why don't you try to imagine the kind of democracy Brazil would have had if the Cuban-trained urban guerrillas , or freedopm fighters'' as they liked to call themselves, had been successful in their intent ? another Cuban-style democracy”, dominated by the then USSR. What surprises me - well, not really - , is that you, not being a Brazilian citizen, or having lived here for any length of time, and almost certainly NOT during the Military regime (1964-1985), try to sound knowledgeable on a subject you obviously know far less about than you pretend to. And of course , you never back youyr claims with facts, just a load of vague ideological crap.
AND, you still haven't replied to my question to you, on another post, when you claimed that Guantanamo was not strategically important to the US....why do you spout so much crap ? it's just a rhetorical question, don't burn your neurons trying to find an answer.
And before I forget, Brazil has gone backwards only since the day that the 9-fingered toad was elected....all you need to do is take a look at the economic stats of the 5 last years, not to mention the successive corruption scandals promoted by the PT. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo Mercosur is not a burden at the moment?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
I think DumbAss Dilma needs to watch this woman, she certainly has bigger balls.
Australia's 23 million people export more than Brazil's 200 million.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God we don't have their idiot politicians tying us to a deadweight like Mercosur to hold our country back.
Only two comments :
Jan 26th, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) ”Brazil supportive of Mercosur “as long as it does not turn into a burden”...
What the hell is Brazil waiting for ?? Mercosur has long-proven that it IS a burden, and has been for years....time to stop the talking and get down to action.
2) .....so that we can make sure that South America becomes “a zone free of foot and mouth disease”.....
The problem is the disease called foot in mouth”, which most latam governments suffer from.
Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Naming just three, perhaps..
It's such a ridiculous state of affairs when Brazil is so insular anyway. They import and export bugger all as a percentage of their GDP. They've got to trade more to grow, Mercosul setting the rules will suffocate them long term.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The beginning of the END of Mercosur.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil should have been up there with India and China but has been held back by a backward and envious Argentina.
Jan 27th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The blind leading the blind .
Jan 27th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/26/brazil-supportive-of-mercosur-as-long-as-it-does-not-turn-into-a-burden#comment377443: Brazil supports Mercosul because it has certain strategic aims which require it to do so. And, if Mecosul did not exist, Brazil would need to invent it. Indeed Mecosul as it currently exists is very much a Brazilian creation and it is dominated by Brazil.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9 Hippy
Jan 28th, 2015 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Mercosur was created, some 20 years ago, it was indeed a good idea. The only problem is that now, besides having been turned into more of a political tool than a trading one, it denies Brazil the right to negotiate unilateral trade agreements with other partners, that have something to offer, without dragging the whole Mercosur, and it's problems, namely Argentina and Venezuela, behind it. The fact that it today, relatively speaking, is dominated by Brazil, is proof of what I say above : it's partners have fallen behind, making the whole thing, as it is now, a burden to Brazil.
There's nothing like harder times, recession and more unemployment to put a bit of pressure on the Brazilian establishment and hopefully change for the better. Talk is cheap though and I suspect Brazil will still be ranting about this next year too. What has also been a great kick in the backside for these Mercosul idiots is the success of the Pacific Alliance and the sensible and integrated policies they have to trade with the world.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11Tik Tok
Jan 28th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope the idiots in the PT can overcome their populist tendencies, in trying to suck up to all the crappy dictators and failed economies currently in the Mercosur, and do what has to be done. But as you implied, necessity is the mother of invention.
11/12 They won't history is not on their side. They've created a population dependant upon free money. Now the money is gone, or will be shortly.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They're on the same path as Argentina, not much to offer the world and lots of very poor uneducated people to support.
They're just bigger than Argentina so it will take time.
My guess is they'll start spending down their reserves like crazy this year.
@13 yb
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't disagree with your rationale.....but there is still one thing that can save Brazil...it has in the past, and might well do again...the Military...I know that to you, a US citizen, this sounds ludicrous, I mean who in hell would want to live under a military regime ??....maybe someone who has done so before, and had nothing to fear from it. It's a matter of comparing the military, to where this damned PT government is taking us.....and I prefer the former.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/26/brazil-supportive-of-mercosur-as-long-as-it-does-not-turn-into-a-burden#comment378210: Well, that didn't take long for you, a member of the real middle class, to reveal your true inner thug. So, you want your military regime back because its the only way you believe its the only way you can preserve your 'natural right to rule'. What's the matter - can't hack it in the democratic world? Can't convince others of how right you are. Not surprising.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0During the military administrations Brazil went backwards by 30 years. It is only now that the problems causes by those administrations are being addressed. And, as a result, the military became so unpopular that they will not be installing a junta any time soon. They have learned their lesson.
And so has the US. It is in the interests of the US that all of America is governed by constitutional and democratic government. This is true even in those instance where the people elect those with whom we may disagree in policy terms.
@15 Hippy
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know from where you get the absurd, if not infantile, idea that I rule anything....and that you, stupidly infer that I reveal my inner thug....just listen to yourself, making judgement on an issue you have never lived through, have no idea what it was like - with its good AND bad points - but I reckon it's no use trying to reason with you. But I will say, and you can deny it until you are blue in the face, the military regime, besides keeping Brazil from communism, was only UNdemocratic against the idiots who raised up in arms against it , having tried to topple the previous (democratically elected government ) without success, and then trying their damndest against the military, and failing. Why don't you try to imagine the kind of democracy Brazil would have had if the Cuban-trained urban guerrillas , or freedopm fighters'' as they liked to call themselves, had been successful in their intent ? another Cuban-style democracy”, dominated by the then USSR. What surprises me - well, not really - , is that you, not being a Brazilian citizen, or having lived here for any length of time, and almost certainly NOT during the Military regime (1964-1985), try to sound knowledgeable on a subject you obviously know far less about than you pretend to. And of course , you never back youyr claims with facts, just a load of vague ideological crap.
AND, you still haven't replied to my question to you, on another post, when you claimed that Guantanamo was not strategically important to the US....why do you spout so much crap ? it's just a rhetorical question, don't burn your neurons trying to find an answer.
And before I forget, Brazil has gone backwards only since the day that the 9-fingered toad was elected....all you need to do is take a look at the economic stats of the 5 last years, not to mention the successive corruption scandals promoted by the PT. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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