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Full support for Argentina's Malvinas claim pledges new Uruguay government
Uruguay's next ambassador to Argentina Hector Lescano said that bilateral relations have always been 'cordial', even in difficult times, and there is no doubt that when president-elect Tabare Vazquez takes office, Uruguay's full support to Argentina's claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands will be maintained. Read full article
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Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a coded message to Cristina......”A few of your bags full of dollars and you can stay here when the police arrive at la Casa Rosada (or the mob, whichever arrives first). Besos, Hector”
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Top Gear, Top Gear! Transmitted live in 50 countries yesterday with Chilean flags proudly on display… Just Think about that?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 03 CaptainSilver (#)
Jan 26th, 2015 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just wondering, not seen any articles but has the Argy Ambassador to the Court of St James, made any comment on the now aired Christmas special?
Presumably she has seen it?
Easy to complain about something when you haven't actually watched it.
Like the Religious film in Father Ted that the Church wanted banned, so more people watched it.
But now it is in the public domain, wondering what the response to Top Gear internationally has been?
Zathras, as far as I am aware she has made no comment whatsoever regarding Top Gear since the Argie thugs were shown attacking the team. It was quite clear what was going on when the minivan plastered with Malvinas slogans was shown that this was a highly organised attack sponsored by her government. I dont know if they showed the seperate short film showing the attack in broadcasts outside the UK?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Appeasement didn't work with Pepe, so why should it work now?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Lescano, a vet by profession,'.... he should be able to handle the mad bitch then....
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0They weren't going to send an ambassador that was going to say ' you lot are full of shit re the Falklands' were they....
Seemingly, yet another apologist to the scum of BsAs in the manner of the Argie Rent Boy Almagro who will soon be fucked off to pastures new, at last.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0If this character wants to impress Vasquez he should ensure the scum pay for the electricity they have been taking off me and everyone else who pays a UTE consumer bill, not brown arseing Gollum and TMBOA.
Perhaps he could set his dogs on them, that would be a great start.
Excellent news though not new. Good that you guys stop speculating and realize that you may bribe Uruguayan parliamentarians or businessmen but principles cannot be bribed. Period
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you 5 CaptainSilver (#)
Jan 26th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I thought it was surprisingly quiet after the film(s) aired.
Is Argentina just too embarrassed by the thugs and hoodlums?
I'd have thought the BBC could have replied to the per-screening complaint, by counter complaining about the Viscous attack and the lack of support by the local Police.
He forgot to add the word 'illegitimate'https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/falklands-at-the-icj2.pdf before Argentina's claims.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@9. There will indeed be a 'period' quite soon. Urineguay can 'say' what it likes. Hang on a little while. There's probably going to be a bit more 'militarisation' of the South Atlantic. In a purely defensive manner of course. Which will come first? The £200 million air defence missile system or HMS Queen Elizabeth. I like the idea of HMS Queen Elizabeth. Just imagine the surprise for argieland and urineguay when they wake up one morning to see a huge aircraft carrier offshore. Flying the Union Jack. Possibly as a battle ensign. Don't worry about the apparent lack of fast jets. HMS Queen Elizabeth is long enough for a Eurofighter Typhoon to take off. And such aircraft can land on the British Falkland Islands. You may get to find out what AgustaWestland Apache helicopters can do. Of course, no aircraft carrier sails alone. You could expect at least one Type 45 air defence destroyer. You can look up a Type 45's capabilities for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_45_destroyer
Jan 26th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's a 'bribe' for you. “Behave yourself and we won't decimate your 'country'”. Because an aircraft carrier would sail with a strike group. A Type 45, a couple of Type 26 frigates, an Astute class fleet submarine and one or two Royal Fleet Auxiliary supply vessels. It's a new ballgame. British forces are being configured for worldwide expeditionary actions. Wonder if we'll go as far as despatching extra Typhoons, in-flight refueling by RAF Voyagers, and 16 Air Assault Brigade. Just as an exercise! Would a Vanguard class ballistic missile submarine be placed on alert?
You see, we really don't have to 'bribe'. Everyone intelligent knows what we 'could' do. But, because we're civilised, it's nothing to worry about. as long as you stay away from our Islands. And give proper 'respect' to their 'interests'.
And who will pay for this. The NHS?
Jan 26th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13
Jan 26th, 2015 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am an old age pensioner and taxpayer, I see no problem with regards money. Needs must.
@12 there you go again, making a tool of yourself.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SHAME!!
Jan 26th, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From an Uruguayan.
the alleged support for Argentina's illegitimate sovereignty claims is merely lip-service and obligatory. Sad but true. Most Uruguayans want better links with the Falkland Islands:
Jan 26th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2014/02/21/uruguayans-want-closer-links-and-trade-with-the-falklands-malvinas-shows-survey
@9 Alejomartinez - for your information.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklandshistory.com
@9 Alejomartinez
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ but principles cannot be bribed”
Correct-if it weren't for the principle of self determination, the UK would have sold the Falklands down the river to Argentina before 1982.
Even the prospects of good trade with Argentina could not bribe against self determination, but obviously the Brit governments were extremely stupid to think that any trade with Argentina would involve the UK being paid anything-hence the defence kit that was not paid for.
So LADE cancelled the primary order for the BAe 146-didn't stop it selling worldwide.
Self determination probably saved the UK losing a lot of money.
Boy, things these keyboard argies will do, to get attention,
Jan 26th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0still,
as long as they remain keyboard warriors, they will never have to put there words into action...
Well let that be the end of speculation that Uruguay is on GBs side on this issue.
Jan 26th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully Chile will say something similar. Then perhaps finally an end to tinfoil hat plotlines from the conqueeror types on here that go along the lines of 'we'll threaten Chile/Uruguay/Japan with tea sanctions if they don't invade Argentina for us their bestest buddies'.
@ 21 Vestige aka Brainless
Jan 26th, 2015 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU are nobody's best buddy, including yourself.
But you cannot see that, can you?
@22 vestige. The real issue is why should anyone on the planet support Argentina's illegitimate sovereignty claims? A sovereignty claim without a case is worthless.
Jan 27th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 ... of course he's going to say things the Argentine government likes. He's just become ambassador to a totalitarian nation, wherein the majority of media is state controlled and you end up with a bullet in the head if you go against said government. Its called prudent diplomatic behaviour, or “survival” as local Argentine dissenters would say.
Jan 27th, 2015 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 021@
Jan 27th, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if south America was going to anything, other than talk talk,
they would have contributed their military decades ago,
why not ?
they could between them provide a formidable force today, why not ?
Vestige , your the man with all the answers,
WHY NOT,
are is the true more believable, its lip service.lol.
My gawd !!
Jan 28th, 2015 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ass dumbess on here can't even a cogent argument make.
School back to they need go to learn and some fcking English.
WHY NOT,
includes you That too ChrisRetard.
23 - Oh the British claim is seemingly always legitimate , no matter where in the world it might be, the other guy is in the wrong.
Its all them other people who are the troublemakers, honest.
@26 Vestige. Argentina's claim is based on UPJ which has never been used in any court or tribunal without the consent of both parties. Britain and Brazil have never recognised the concept. -v- established settlement (has to be of years), conquest, Convention of Peace, prescription (protests were irrelevant in the mid-19th century), acquiescence (extinctive prescription) failure to bring a case to the world courts post 1922 and self-determination. A sovereignty claim without a case is irrelevant and worthless.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 026@
Jan 28th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0his reply says it all,
he has no clue.
Your contrived version of self determination holds no water, with anyone. Its recognized for what it is. Some paid private organization giving the nod to some people who live half their lives in England. This evasive tri-lateral trickery rightly gains nothing but international derision.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 - correct Brition I had no clue what you were trying to say as you seemingly couldn't form a legible sentence.
are WHY NOT, is the true beli evAble ..... or some such scrawled crack ramblings.
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@29 Vestige
Jan 28th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. The ICJ has made 4 Advisory Opinions and 1 Judgment that confirm or states, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.' There are no exceptions. They did not state ' all except.' Furthermore, the UN Fourth Committee (senior decolonisation committee) voted against applying ANY restrictions on the right to SD 'even where there was a (perceived) sovereignty dispute on 20th October 2008.
The ICJ Kosovo Advisory Opinion - para 80 also confirmed 'that the scope for the principle of territorial integrity was limited to the relationship between individual states.' Therefore it does not impinge on the international law of self-determination, now classified as erga omnes - placing an obligation on all states to uphold (even Argentina).
Has anyone seen this? “Art” PROJECT. Artist sent a sculpture of Cristina made out of dulce de leche to the malvinas where it was placed on top of the Margaret Thatcher bust. ?????????
Jan 28th, 2015 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Check it out: https://twitter.com/?lang=en
so why no formal UN recognition of the sham referendum.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur certainly doesn't recognize it, thats been made clear.
Same with China. (and UNASUR) and Organization of 54 African countries.
US says negotiate and recognized only defacto control.
Russia say negotiate too.
Its serving GB no good anyway in the long run. 2000 selfish people in about 10 sq km's on thousands of unused sq km's fvcking up GB's foreign relations and costing the defense budget.
but dig your heels in.
@ 31 WTF_Artists
Jan 28th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not had a twit account for years since the bastards lied about their lack of security.
Don't believe it anyway.
The argies are so poor they can't afford to let any food out of the country, never mind this nonsense.
So, we have another argie troll.
@ 32 Vestige
YOU have lost, get used to it, we don't GAF about Russia or 54 African countries and as for Clinton and Obuma they will be gone soon and relations with the UK will improve immensely.
It seems we are not the ones digging our heels in?
The Islanders ARE the legal owners, argies scum cannot get over having their arses kicked in front of the world.
Now run off and leave the adults in peace.
32@
Jan 28th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you can argue until doomsday,
the fact is, the Falkland's are British and not argentine and never will be.
@32 Vestige. There is no requirement for the UN to monitor any referendum held in a NSGT. The head of the international observer mission issued a statement regarding the election stating, 'that they were free and fair and represented the democratic will of the vote of the Falkland Islands.'
Jan 28th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN C24 has NO decision making powers and ANY resolutions are worthless unless endorsed by the UN Fourth Committee. The last General Assembly Resolution that mentioned the Islands in 1988 didn't even mention 'dispute.' There are no 'relevant' UN resolutions that say 'negotiate.' There is nothing to negotiate. The Islanders have the right to SD - that's the law. You must also remember that the majority of nations that make up the UN C24 are classified as 'not free' or 'partially free' their opinions are irrelevant.
Still unsure, just ask the man:
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
34 - well not that I hadn't been expecting that same old same old but fair enough if you want to go down that road then, yep so was Kenya, India, South Africa and lots of various little islands. See how the tide slowly carried them off, despite best efforts. Despite your type, maybe even because of your type.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 035 - the individuals on the malvinas/falkland islands are not 'a people'.
Mr Ki Moon hinting this and that, yet stopping short of giving any discernible preference or support, wonder why.
33 - speaking of arse kickings I was just having a look back at Yorktown there the other day. Maybe thats why theres still such animosity from the English towards the French.
@36 Vestige
Jan 28th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Individuals on the Malvinas/Falkland Islands are not 'a people'.
Wrong again. Ha ha and desperate.
UNESCO International Meeting of Experts Paris 27-30 Nov 1989, para 22, referred to the Webster's definition of 'People' as
(i) 'the entire body of persons who constitute a community or other group by virtue of common culture or the like.'
and
(ii) The Kirby definition of 'a people' ''a group of individual human beings who enjoy some or all of the following:
e) territorial connection.'
(iii) Professor Gudelviciute in the Baltic Journal of International Law, vol 2, no 2, stated, 'under current international law 'a people' means, b) entire population of a non-self-governing territory.'
(iv) The use of the words 'People and Populations' by the UN have the same intrinsic meaning. This supported by numerous UN resolutions on decolonisation where the words 'people' and 'populations' are used interchangeably - 1514 xv uses 'people' and UN 2065 'populations'
nope.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0falklands/malvinas dwellers are not a people.
You're good at citations, your sources are top quality, brilliant work, so just repeat your performance and show me where the UN says they are.
patiently waiting.
@38
Jan 28th, 2015 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where does the UN state that the Falkland Islanders are not a “people” ?
As an outsider looking in. Regardless of what anyone says.....possession is everything and crying it is mine is nothing.
Jan 28th, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 036@
Jan 28th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See how the tide slowly carried them off etc etc,
the difference is, they wanted independence,
the Falkland's want to remain British,
on the other hand, Argentina wants an empire, that's why she want the Falkland's to become an argy colony against the wishes of the islanders,
39 - where does the UN state that they don't state that the malvinas colonists are not a “people” ?
Jan 28th, 2015 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
@42 Vestige. The fact is, as far as UN resolutions are required, there is NO difference from 'a people' and 'population.' Now produce something that differs from the 4 UN Advisory Opinions and Judgmenttnat say, 'the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL of them.' You need to show that the Islanders are excluded from 'ALL of them.' You also need to produce something that says they are excluded from the 2 UN covenants on self-determination. Where are the Falkland islanders excluded? Waiting.
Jan 29th, 2015 - 05:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Vestige
Jan 29th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yep so was Kenya, India, South Africa and lots of various little islands.
So which of these countries were denied Self determination when the inhabitants requested it?
@38
“You're good at citations, your sources are top quality, brilliant work, so just repeat your performance and show me where the UN says they are.”
Because they acknowledge the population in res 2065 which can only refer to the Falkland Island people unless it refers to the wildlife or plant populations living on the Islands.
Your problem is that you can't cite anything countering Brit Bob so it is his arguments that are more convincing.
@42
You have had Brit Bob run rings around you as no where have you been able to cite any UN or international legal representation that the Falkland Islanders are not a people.
Argentina must be quite desperate to claim that the population of a country is not a 'people'
You could argue that immigrants to the Islands aren't their people, but that can equally apply to foreigners moving to Argentina. I wouldn't fancy your chances in an international court claiming that Falkland Islanders born on the Islands are not a people of those islands-but if Argentina feels this gives it a cast iron solid case to over ride the Islander's rights to self determination, then why doesn't Argentina try this at the ICJ?
@42 Some say that being on the C24 Decolonization List as a NSGT makes the population of the Falklands a 'people' entitled to the option of decolonization through self determination. 'All' the remaining NSGT are able to 'self determine' their future, according the Mr Moon SG of the UN. Now where does the UN say that the Falklanders are not a people or cannot self determine?
Jan 29th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble with 42@Vestige,
Jan 29th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is that he knows not the truth, but what t he has been told by the argentine history books.
@37
Jan 29th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brilliant, you quote the law and and Vestige replies with “nope” and his opinion. How about some facts Vestigial, you saying that Ban ki Moon hinted something isn't a fact by the way.
no citation eh Briton.
Jan 29th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whys that. why oh why might that be.
show me the money.
wheres the beef.
payment up front please sir.
claim yes - evidence no.
1 UN acknowledgement of the malvinas campers as a people. please, pretty please, am beggin ya here.
supply citation below.
@ 48 Vestige
Jan 29th, 2015 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Claim yes - evidence no' - quite correct. And we know that a sovereignty claim without a case is an illegitimate claim and w o r t h l e s s.
It's just as the man says,
'the world's 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status,' Ban Ki-moon told a forum on decolonisation. (2010).
http://www.speroforum.com/a/33140/Remaining-nonselfgoverning-territories-must-have-full-freedom-of-choice-Ban-says#.VMqKUY02aUk
48@
Jan 29th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not the ones who are doing the claiming,
so you show the evidence,
you show us the UN resolutions that define the islands as yours,
or in fact show us anything the UN has said or even hinted that the islands belong to you.
you cant,
But you can, at any time go to the islands web site and see for your self that the islands are British,
feel free anytime.
32 Vestige
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no legal requirement for formal UN recognition of the referendum as
the effect of “silence on international organizations and nations is as following:
”Customary international law; Silence as consent;
Generally, sovereign nations must consent in order to be bound by a particular treaty or legal norm. However, international customary laws are norms that have become pervasive enough internationally that countries need not consent in order to be bound. In these cases, all that is needed is that the state has not objected to the law....”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_intern...
Wrong again what is legally binding is the views of nations of 1833 since there is a bar in applying such present-day views retroactively. So the deafening silence then counts as an endorsement of the UK, so legally not one country supported Argentina.
32 Vestige
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quick go to
Falklands “Time Capsule” to celebrate 250th anniversary of flying the Union Flag in the Islands
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/01/29/falklands-time-capsule-to-celebrate-250th-anniversary-of-flying-the-union-flag-in-the-islands
it will answer all your wildest questions….lol
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Call us what you like, Vestige.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0We care not a whit.
Meanwhile, WE have possession & you DONOT(& never ever likely to, l might add)!
Jealousy & insults will get you no-where.
Is there an academy in Buenos Aires that turns these fuckwits like Vestige out by the dozen ?
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay's new ambassador is only making his polite statement to establish his credentials .
The Banda Oriental is not at all in favour of Argentina's expansionist policy , after all , they would be next on the list in order to create another soy farm for Argentina's masters the Chinese .
I just love these polite exchanges of views. Shameful.
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