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Falklands' anti-Argentine flag petition collects 494 names and a lively debate
A lively debate, at times impassioned took place earlier this week in the Falkland Islands during a public meeting at the Chamber of Commerce to discuss bad behavior from Argentine visitors which was described as 'disturbing and distressing” for many Islanders. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesIt's up to the Falkland Islanders to decide. They shouldn't feel intimidated by these Argentine fools and if necessary the British Military can become involved. But wouldn't it be better to simply discontinue the flights? Relatives of the Argentine dead could be asked to come to London where they would be vetted before being charged a fee to fly on one of the regular RAF flights from Heathrow to Stanley.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of expression has its limits, both in law and in taste. Would it be acceptable to parade a swastika around Warsaw, Tel Aviv or Oradour?
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Entry into the Falklands by bearers of Argentine passports should be accompanied by rigorous body searches and close examination of the contents of their luggage.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0This type of vigilance is usual when one visits the US and is not a problem.
Perhaps you should do to their flag,
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0what they do to our flag,
and burn it,
just saying like.
Ban them all.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see anti Argie mood is on again. Good to know.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I see anti Argie mood is on again. Good to know
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brainwashed,
our leaders says we are friends,
your leaders says we are pirates,
who is anti who.
6 Alejo- I can assure you that “Anti Argie Mood” has been here very strong ever since The Kirscheners took power in your country and started the declarations of Economic and Communications WAR with the Islands in 2003
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0It has been caused 100% by Argentina - a spectacular own goal!
The younger generation were reasonably receptive towards Argentina under Menem etc - The 2 Kirscheners have made today,s younger generation of Islanders far more bitter to Argentina than the older one that actually experienced the military invasion and armed occupation in 1982.
You really are so good at foot shooting as a nation.
This has to be a finite problem.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The memorial on the Islands is now 33 years old. With the best will in the world it should celebrate its 50th anniversary and then be maintained only by the islanders.
As a worst case, lets say there was a 20 year old who lost her husband..after 50 years these people will in turn be elderly after 50 years and will have already been shown a great courtesy over half a century.
There is absolutely no need to allow continued access so that someone can visit a great grandad who died before they were born!
There's a self fulfilling element to the Argentine behaviour - they want to be seen as a 'threat', so many locals go out of their way to find examples of them being 'threatening'. I've walked around many of the battlefield memorials and even close to Stanley, you can go for an entire day without seeing another person, that's part of the beauty of the FI.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finding a group of ex-servicemen flying a flag (e.g. as in the picture) may be distressing, but I question how many people actually are harassed, alarmed and distressed (to use UK terms) at that immediate point and how many people hunt out examples to be upset by? Or are distressed after the fact?
It would be incredibly difficult to prove (in my opinion) that doing anything outside the boundaries of Stanley or the camp settlements is likely to be with hearing or sight of anyone who is likely to be caused HAD.
@10 They also fly the flag around Stanley in military uniform, we do not go out of our way to make up threats.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0@10 - common sense. You won't be thanked for it.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2. I think you'll find the swastika is banned. It was mentioned by the attorney-general at the meeting.
Flags have never been banned in Ulster, where they probably cause a lot more trouble.
A great many of these people come to the Islands wearing DPM jackets and go around as a group, you might say as a platoon of soldiers.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would feel intimidated if I came across a group of chanting football supporters, let alone some group of veterans who think they can reclaim past glories by gathering together in an intimidatory fashion.
Displaying the flag is as aggressive an act as burning one. If we are in favour of freedom of expression, then we must allow both - unless the intent of displaying (or burning) is to cause offence, to intimidate others, to act aggressively, to claim rights (of sovereignty) which are not theirs.
In Argentina these people regularly burn the Union flag as an insult to Great Britain and the Islanders. They are only doing it because they believe it conveys their hatred.
These people are intent on carrying on the War by aggressive means. They won't accept that they lost and they want to continue any act that insults the Islanders and asserts their sovereignty claim.
If any Islander feels intimidated by these acts, then the authorities should confiscate the flag. Not to burn, not to convey insult, but merely to keep the peace.
The right of freedom of expression comes with the responsibility not to offend others.
These visitors have crossed the line, they are offending others and by being allowed to continue to do so, are encouraged to commit further acts of offence such as vandalism of war memorials.
Could the answer be to set up a relatives list and only those persons listed are allowed a visa?
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any wrong moves could then result in them losing the visa.
Genuine graveside visitors will not risk their visa being withdrawn for stupid stunts like the one shown in the photograh.
NO other argies should be granted a visa. Argies arriving at the islands without a visa should be jailed until such times as transport is available (at that own cost) to remove them.
It is no good LMA's and the police spouting nonsense about free speech and obseving the law.
Law only applies to citizens of the island and lawful, visa holding visitors, not argie scum evading detection of their stupid, stupid, antics.
10- It is all part of it- That - we all get to see and hear about it- AND the Graffiti and national slogans they scrawl over the rocks on those battlefields close to British War dead memorials up there all add up to the sense of fear that a growing number of elderly pensioners here - some of whom live alone now have. These old folks LOCK themselves in their houses for that week each month as they are frightened to go out in case they meet the Argies. Some others carry a iron bar in their vehicle that week for defence as the fear attack.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least one shopkeeper who sells FI and GB Flags has had more than one old lady in tears in the shop buying flags to put up in her house to give her some form of security that week each month as she is so frightened every time she sees them walking by in numbers.
Islanders by nature are a peacefull unprotesting people - Argentines in general are well known by their neighbours in S America as an illmannered and arrogant lot.
It is a difficult line to walk because any restrictions imposed on Argentines visiting the war graves would immediately be used in propaganda by CFK's government. Always the victim.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some people just do not know how to behave respectfully as visitors in another country. It says a lot about their character and I doubt you could change it. Use of existing laws that surely protect all Islanders from intimidating behaviour is appropriate. Maybe a reminder on arrival that they are guests and welcome if they behave respectfully. Remind them of the laws including taking ammunition and souvenirs. If they still misbehave they can take the consequences. Probably best not to address them as Losers, however tempting.
perhaps the islanders should put on the net , in newspapers and TV around the world to show how disrespectful these morons are,
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and or course the fear they install, let the world see why the islanders feel threatened and perhaps other countries may well see what there support to CFK is doing,
its your country and you have the right to refuse all whom you think is a danger to your people,
I agree with what ChrisR said. Seems a sensible way forward.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The answer is actually quite simple.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentine visitors cannot behave and respect of the people the Falkland Islands, then ban ALL Argentine visitors for 5 years as a punishment. Families of fallen Argentine soldiers can be granted a special visa under the condition that they follow Falklands law and respect the Islanders. This includes no cheap 'publicity' shots of themselves defacing sacred ground whist waving their fascist flag.
Any violation of these rules would see the family also banned for 5 years.
After 5 years visitors can then be allowed ONLY if they promise to behave and respect the laws and people of the Falklands. If they refuse then they don't get entry.
In my opinion the Falkland Islands Government should just do it and feck Argentina, because after all, what does Argentina contribute to the islands except grief?
And Argentina can whine and crawl and cry as much as they like around the world, because right now the world actually (thanks to CFK) just blocks them out, they're white noise in the background. No one cares enough about Argentina to bother with them anymore, and CFK has already sold them out to China, lock, stock and barrel.
And if Argentina bans the LAN flight, so what? Make a deal with Chile and fly around Argentine airspace, or make a deal with Uruguay and do the same.
It's about time Argentina's neighbours stopped pandering to the lunatics and show them exactly where they stand in the pecking order. In South America that is only just above Venezuela, but the way Argentina is going, not for long.
Argentina is a washed up 'wannabe'. They couldn't even make it to 'has been' status.
Comparing this event and the response of the Islanders to it and the events surrounding Clarkson's license plate highlight a gulf between our two neighbours regarding their maturity and security as nations.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly, it is about maturity and dignity. Once you start banning a whole nation of people for the actions of the few, where does it stop?
Jan 30th, 2015 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make the rules of all visitors clear and reinforce them if broken. Otherwise you can guarantee the Argentine government will leap on a ban to play the victim. “The nasty occupiers of our land won't even allow our war widows to visit the graves of their loved ones……….” You know how it will play out.
Dignity and maturity. And if any visitors break any of the laws they should suffer the consequences.
I'd very much like to suggest the Islanders do as much as possible to get footage of these people and how they act when they think nobody is filming.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get it uploaded, and let the world see what is going on.
These people will not stop, and any sign of 'tolerance' shown by the Island Authorities, - Will, to these kind of people, be seen as 'weakness'.
It's not easy to stoop to the level of these people, but it would be so satisfying, to put on a display just after immigration, of the union jack being burned recently all over argentina, and have an RG flag lying there next to a can of petrol, and a lighter!!
Elaine- Nobody is saying- ban Argentines form coming! After all their veterans suffer from the same PTSD as our British ones do! All we are saying is- behave with respect and dignity in a foreign country (regardless of your personal thoughts as to who it belongs- you accept reality during your visit).
Jan 30th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you cannot do that- then we want to ensure you are not carrying a national flag or uniform in your luggage.
One Islander well known for his strong anti Arg views guides Arg tourists off ships to the Darwin cemetery as he speaks Spanish - he actually allows them to lay a small flag over a known friend/family grave and take a photo and then put the flag back in their pocket as that is personal and respectful - but if they try to hold one up and wave it - they are told immediatley to put it away - or he will remove it from them by force if needed.
We are a fair and reasonable people - 100% of all the trouble is the fault of the Argentines who cannot behave as it is just not in their national psychy to do so.
lan flight.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 024 ??
Jan 30th, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0moron
Vestige- Yup - that would solve the problem - tell CFK to go for it! oops - The Arg veterans and families organisations have already told her do NOT cut the flight!
Jan 30th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23
Jan 30th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We walked along the roads to the Artillery positions from 82 without displaying flags nor wearing any type of uniforms and we had trucks going 200 mph passing at 2 inches from where we were walking and with the usual “ flipping the bird sign” . We did not provoke , we respected the rules and overall we had a great time . Learn how to differentiate ( by taking pics by the police , banning trouble makers, etc) the ones that respect you all as a country VS the ones that want to make trouble. That's all I have to say :-)
27- unfortunately due to the antics of your president and her late husband you cannot expect us here to all be exactly friendly towards you now! But doing that to you if you were innocent as you say was indeed a bit silly.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jan 30th, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is not my President nor I live in Argentina , allow me to clarify
Nice to see how a mature democracy tackles a problem.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Jan 30th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“But doing that to you if you were innocent as you say was indeed a bit silly”
silly or dangerous ?
Let me see if I understood? Show an argentine flag qualifies as “Bad Behaviour”?
Jan 30th, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a white official English rugby shirt and I wore it thousands of times in Buenos Aires when I went to the gym....
I have already wrote here my idea that Argentine people must be banned to visit the Islands for the benefit of both sides....
I don't see another solution than building a new “Berlin Wall”. It will be the best solution for FI people and for argentine people too...FI people have been isolated during decades and decades after all...they can keep on living this way....
@33 Have you been held under military occupation by a foreign country? Have you been dragged out of your bed and held at gunpoint? NO, these people are intimidating some of our community and it needs to stop. And we are not that isolated you fuckwit, I know for a fact i have a better understanding of the outside world than you
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 032-It is very very simple.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 01945 Germany gave up their territorial claims to the rest of Europe. Germany and Europe have now been friends and allies for many years.
1982 Argentina by military force invaded and occupied the Islands against the will of the people who live there.
33 yrs on 2015 - Argentina still maintains 100% its claim over our homeland and refuses to acknowledge that we exist as a people with our own local Govt and works hard to make as many difficulties as it can for our economy and communications and life in general.
Result - 2015 - many Islanders do indeed hate Argentina and what she stands for.
Naturally some will transfer this hate of a nation against all its people- wrong I agree(I only hate your lying politicians and uniformed flag wavers when they come here) - but such is life and reality!
I most certainly do not hate you(we would respectfully disagree I am sure on some issues!) - but inevitably because of what your nation does - some do hate all of you!
33 - big difference you flag is that of a nation who has vowed to take over our land irrespective of our wishes! Chilean-Ur-German-French USA etc flags welcome!
@35
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do understand what you say and I respect your point of view. All I wanted was to share my experience at the Islands without creating any political statement or controversy . I don't hate you and hate the weather !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
@33
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that you should view the waving of an Argentine flag in the Falklands, the same as a swastika being waved when you get off a plane in Israel. Maybe you could understand the sentiment if you had been occupied by an invading army against your will.
That said, I am a little disappointed in the Islands. Self-determination means that you deal with issues yourselves when they arise, stop dithering and complaining and deal with them.
The police superintendent is being a little disingenuous, he may be a bit far from home but he knows full well that this matter can be dealt with under Section 4a of the Public Order Act if the flag waving is 'intended' to cause harassment alarm and distress, which it clearly is.
Sounds like Superintendent McGill has a training need, perhaps he should be replaced.
There are far more serious and pressing matters that need to be dealt with in the Falkland Islands than being hysterical over disrespectable tourists who make fools of themselves.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope new legislation to criminalise these incidents never come into place as it would backward and would be hugely exploited by Argentina and its propaganda machine.
@38
Jan 30th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The law is the law, a practitioner doesn't get to choose which bits they enforce and which bits they don't. There is no requirement for new legislation, as I said, your Superintendent is being disingenuous, he knows full well that the public order act applies here, Any writing, sign or VISIBLE REPRESENTATION intended to cause harassment alarm or distress.
#29
Jan 30th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't ban all Argentinians. Some legally live in the Falklands and thousands arrive by cruise ship every year. Say just one wants to carry a flag of their country (or carry a bag with a flag on it, or an umbrella)? Are they to be arrested and detained until the wheels of justice turn?
What if a resident likes flying flags on a country's national day? Is it ok to fly the Chilean flag on Chilean National Day, the Brazilian and the Peruvian, etc, but not the Argentine on one day a year?
You cant sensibly ban people and flags of one country. That's discrimination, and that is illegal under the constitution. You can arrest people for illegal behaviour. Why the police haven't done so is a question for them. As someone else has pointed out, they probably have higher priorities. I certainly hope so.
@34, 35, 36 and 37
Jan 30th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For most of the argentine people the UK flag is the flag of a country that occupies part of our land. So, the “waving the swastica in Israel” would be closer to waving a UK flag in Buenos Aires. I personally don't have any issue with the UK flag.
In addition, the current international status of the FI is a “territory under dispute”...don't blame on me....it's the UN status...
Argentine people cannot have properties in the Islands, cannot inherited properties, cannot run their own business, cannot fly over the FI air space, cannot live in the Islands without a special treatment, etc....who are the fascists?
@34 In addition, no HHRR violation by the Argentina troops have ever been proved during the war....I don't want to be rude but the sad death of three islanders was the result of British actions. Only POW were killed under this conditions...
Banning the Argentine flag won't bring any advantage or quietness...just another arguments in favor of the argentine fascists. The best way would be to ban argentine citizens visit. I really would like this as the best way to prevent potential violent incidents.
Oh dear, the argie scum in the mercopress office managed to delete my comment.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's try another one. Nuke argieland. Every day. For a hundred years. Like that one, scum?
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Jan 30th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0absolutely no point in dialog,
some argies are so indoctrinated , that one would be hard pushed to tell them and the daleks; apart.
@41 Argentines can, have and currently do own property in the falklands.Argentines can also fly over our airspace, we quite often have a friendly visitor who flies over from Patagonia, in fact I saw his plane here the other day. Everthything you said was a lie, prove me wrong. Also the behaviour of the argentine soldiers was disgusting during the war, shitting in the corner of the post office and in peoples homes like animals, and some of them were rightly slaughtered like animals. Ohhh and don't forget the imprisonment of the Goose Green settlement, disgusting behaviour. Its these reasons people feel intimidated.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah. How unreasonable can anybody get. What's a little invasion by a fascist military dictatorship notorious for the torture and murder of its opponents? Only 1,000 dead. Its not as if somebody politely invited your rapists, murderers and mutineers to sling their hook 200 years ago. That's a serious matter.
41 pgerman
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of tosh. There are Argentines living in the islands now, working and owning property. We get hundreds of visitors from Argentina every year.
And the official status of the Falklands is an Overseas Territory of the UK. The dispute is entirely a matter for Argentina.
And you aren't being rude; you are being grossly offensive. Every single death in the conflict was a result of Argentina's military aggression. If you'd stayed at home as you should have ( and the UN told you to), none of them would have happened.
I have heard eye witness accounts from people who remember Argentine soldiers holding loaded guns to their heads when they were 7 years old. I know people whose toys were booby-trapped. You are either a liar or you just don't know anything.
Pgerman 41- Argentines = about 12-15 or so of them do indeed live peaceably live and work and play and drink in the pubs in Stanley and are married to Islanders in some cases - and several will have voted in the referendum in 2013.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine wishing to take employment and come and live in the islands goes through 100% the same rules and regulations as a Chilean - and Australian or an Englishman from UK.
Like any other nationality- after a period they can apply for status and thus move into buying property etc. Prior to that those in this category on a work permit can apply for a special permit to purchase property for their business etc perhaps - each application looked at on its merits.
Do check your facts first - otherwise you will be as daft as paulcedron.
@41
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your first sentence says it all...“in the minds of most Argentines the Uk flag is the flag of a country that occupies part of our land”
This is true...but only true “in the minds of most Argentines”
The question you should ask is “who put that idea in the minds of most Argentines....and why”?
It has been proven time and again on this site to be untrue, historically inaccurate, morally inaccurate and ridiculous in the present day...yet..still it is true “in the minds of most Argentines”
Ask yourself who benefits from the presence of such a thought...
If so, please, tell me why a farm whose owner was argentine was expropiated after the war? while nobody bother british people, or British interests, in the entire Argentine territory.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To live in the FI any argentine person must have a especial authorization.
In addition, not a single HHRR violation was reported after the war either on civilians or in POW on the British side. But four Argentine POW where killed while theyr were under British responsibility. These are not my inventions..THESE ARE HISTORICAL FACTS.
Sadly there were three islanders killed by British actions but none due to Argentine actions.
In addition, the FI is considered by the UN as “territory under dispute”....this is also a fact.
Anyway, I can understand that you don't want to see any argentine flag. I also can understand that you don't want to see any argentine veteran in the Islands. I'm also fed up of them...they are stuck in the past and they are quite arrogant. No to mention that most of those who pretend to be “war veteran” are not true war veterans. they are violent peronists/fascists who just want to impose their thoughts.
That's why I wrote, honestly I belive that, that to protect both sides, argentine people won't be allowed to visit the islands.
Pgerman says:
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In addition, the current international status of the FI is a “territory under dispute”...don't blame on me....it's the UN status...”
No it isn't.
According to the United Nations, the Falkland Islands are non-self-governing territory as prescribed by Article 73 of the UN Charter.
The administering power is recognised by the UN as SOLELY The United Kingdom.
Argentina is not recognised as an administering power.
The UN only recognises that, and I quote, ”A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).”
Recognition of a dispute means nothing.
Its status by the UN is simply non-self-governing territory.
In Argentina, the flag of the united kingdom is carried by many Argentines in their shirts, as fashion or style of dress, AND ARE RESPECTED.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course the UK administering power is recognised by the UN simply because someone must take responsibility over this territory but the dispute is officially recognized by the UN and it was also recognized by the UK when british governments accepted to hold negotiations over the islands in the past. I must clarify that I also conside that, for the time being, it's the best options for the islanders.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In addition, every and each argentine airplane that have to fly in what UK considers “FI air space” must get the “green light” in advance otherwise it will be harrased by RAF warplanes. No matter whether they are commercial or unarmed planes but British planes, even highly armed planes, can fly over argentine territory without any issue. Have you been thinking the danger that this means for the safety of argentine people? Would you like to see russian warplanes flying over London?
Do you remember when Margaret Thatcher was allowed to fly over argentine territory (by the argentine government) when she was going to visit Chile (and to meet the nice and “democratic” General Pinochet)? Do you remember? She even had not the pride to take a little bit longer trip to avoid argentine territory.
British Airways regularly flies to Buenos Aires but Aerolineas Argentinas was not allowed to fly to Port Stanley...
@52
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Recognising the existence of a dispute isn't the same as recognising the validity of a dispute. It's rather hard not to recognise the existence of a dispute which led to a war that cost 1000 lives. The UN has never once recognised the validity of Argentina's claim. Not once.
You might also recall that even before the invasion, there was an Argentine habit of causing nuisance with airplanes, including a terrorist hijack which has been actively celebrated by your President and is enshrined in your Malvinas Museum?
Now kindly explain why exactly the UK should be trusting Argentina?
52 pgerman
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're an odd one aren't you? Have you been living under a rock?
The Argentine government has specifically forbidden any commercial charter plane from flying over its territory en route to the Falklands. That's why there are no more chartered planes carrying veterans and relatives visiting the Falklands.
Your idea that any plane can fly over any territory without asking is absurd. British planes can't just fly over Argentine territory without asking. What a mad idea. Medical flights sometimes overfly Argentina; even your government isn't low enough to stop that. Not sure what the danger to you is though.
And any of your planes that approach FI airspace can expect to get challenged (this happens regularly). It's not being 'harassed'; it's protecting our security. People in Argentine planes that ask nicely and go through the proper channels are allowed to visit. Only private planes though; your own rule prevents charters.
The decision not to allow Aerolineas Argentinas to fly to MPA (not Stanley) is a commercial decision taken by the Falkland Islands Government. We don't need a link to BA, and it isn't in our best interests to have one. We need a midweek flight to Chile.
I'm not sure where you are going with this. You seem to think that we should want more contact with Argentina. We really don't. You aren't in a position to know what's best for us.
Pgerman- AA has never actually even ASKED Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Civil Aviation about the possibility of opening a route to Falklands!
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also I think you will find all airlines and aircraft seek prior notification before flying over another country,s airspace - common politeness AND a matter of Air Safety etc.
Any plane coming into another,s airspace without notification in advance these days of terrorism will quite rightly be met by that country,s airforce!
55 Islander1
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, yes that's right. Aerolineas Argentinas were not refused permission to fly to the Falklands; it never got that far. That's because they would have to approach FIG for permission. The UK Government is not responsible for civil aviation in the FI.
Monty- Hit the nail 100% on the head! That is why its unlikely AA will ever fly here as they will never be allowed to ask!
Jan 31st, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same with the Darwin cemetery DNA testing - Buenos Aires will never actually directly ask the relevant authority here - FIG! Asking the Int Red Cross is a smokescreen as not their concern nor control.
@27 - Artilary man.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why the F would people be 'flipping the bird' at you unless you had done something bad mannered towards the Islanders?
Why?
Arty twat IMO, set your guns up in the F school yard, - Cowardly cnuts.
Wow pgerman sounds so sad.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain does this. Britain does that.
Argentina can't do this. Argentina can't stop that.
Perhaps if your country wasn't a pathetic shadow of what it could have been, it would be different.
Your economy could have been bigger than the UK. If it had followed the route of Australia instead of the populism that you find so alluring. The one that rewrites history regarding Patagonia. Rewrites the history of the Falklands. Lies constantly about who inflicts the problems against your country.
Australia with 36% of the UK's population has an economy 62% of its size. Extrapolate that out and Argentina with its current population could have an economy 25% larger than the UK's.
And instead of leaching talent to other countries it could have been attracting them like Australia so that you population could have matched the UK's.
That would have possibly given it an economy 80% larger than the UK's. Which would have placed it behind Japan. Or as the fourth largest economy in the world.
That's the present and the future that you let your government squander because you can't get the lies out of your head.
The Falklands would have clamoured to be part of such a successful country. The world would have defers to such a powerful country.
But instead you have become the poster child for what not to do. The pathetic beseeching country that embarrasses itself at almost every international forum it attends. Where critics conveniently commit suicide. The country that no one other than poor economic refugees want to become part of.
Whinge and whine all you want about what the UK can and does; because that is all you and your country can do now that it has made itself almost irrelevant to the rest of the world.
What Skip said!
Jan 31st, 2015 - 05:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
If Argentine visitors to the Falkland Islands are discovered behaving in an offensive, politically motivated manner the FIG authorities should retaliate (in the first instance) by raising the Argentine flag at a suitable location in Stanley, underneath the white flag of surrender.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 06:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0This should bring the ‘visitors’ down to earth and remind them of their true status while they are in the Islands!
@59
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0But Skip. Surely all that must be somebody else's fault? Isn't everything?
Just planning my road trip up the Stuart highway, as it happens. What an amazing country you have.
Pgerman
Jan 31st, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN recognises the islanders right to self determination. It has done this time and time and time again. Every single resolution passed by the UNGA REPEATS that ALL NSGTS have that right.
In 2008 Argentina attempted to pass a resolution where a territorial dispute would limit that right....IT FAILED...60 votes to 40 (the majority of the 40 being Latin countries).
Britain has NEVER recognised Argentinas “rights”. NEVER. The discussions in the 1970s were to see if it was possible for Argentina to take over administration as Britian has voluntarily and positively sought to find alternate solutions to all its overseas territories (1/4 of the Planet).
However when it was established that Argentina was (and is) a corrupt, fascist, bulling cesspit...it was decided that it wasn't for the best.
As for the 1982 war...you are living in fantasy...Argentina invaded (a war crime), the UNSC demanded they leave, they ignored (another breach of international law), the Uk had to remove them....therefore every single death, every injury, every pschological scar is 100% the responsibility of Argentina...PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
So in summary, every post of yours in this thread is bullshit..
1) argentines can live and own property on the islands
2) Argentina is 100% responsible for every death in the 1982 war
3) the UN doesn't recognise Argentinas “rights” in fact completely the opposite.
So, keep lying, keep fantasising...but everyone can see you are a dishonest moron.
There is an easy fix to RG flag waving and generaly arseholean behaviour...
Jan 31st, 2015 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0'scuse me sir, I have reason to believe you may have a prohibited animal in your kit... in fact I think you may have a gerbil up your bottom ...please bend over and drop your pants...'
Full cavity search follows...
'OK Sir, no gerbils found... feel free to wipe your bum on that bit of blue and white bunting you have in your kit...'
There is more than one way to skin a cat.....
41 pgerman
Jan 31st, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In addition, no HHRR violation by the Argentina troops have ever been proved during the war”
Loved the way you put that.
So ( in effect ) what you are saying, is that there WERE HHRR violations by the Argentina troops, but, because they can not be proved, the land grabbing little b*stards got away with it.
...but the dispute is officially recognized by the UN and it was also recognized by the UK....”
Jan 31st, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't deny this.
Indeed every single Falkland Islander recognises there is a dispute.
That does not equate to the acceptance, recognition or support for any claim.
The UK does not recognise any Argentine rights and sovereignty.
The Falkland Islanders do not recognise any Argentine rights and sovereignty.
The UN does not recognise any Argentine rights and sovereignty.
They all accept that there is a dispute. But it does not change who has sovereignty now. And it does not infer any future rights.
The UN and UK have taken sides already. Th side of the inhabitants and not Argentina. The UN has never called for the withdrawal of the British. The UN has never supported Argentina's sovereignty claim. The UN does not consult Argentina on the Falkland's future.
It just recognises a dispute. And that is all. An extremely weak argument from another example of the Argentine education system.
PS: HansNiesund censor your trip. My one piece of advice, is to enjoy the nothing..... just soak up the space and emptiness of the Never Never. Especially at night. The Sky will blow your mind.
UK Aims to Build Most Modern Navy in the World
Jan 31st, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Royal Navy is being modernised with new equipment, ships and submarines; it is building two of the second largest new aircraft carriers in the world and it will receive the world leading new Type 26 frigate. Two Astute Class submarines have already deployed on operations and the UK is working to deliver a further five of the class over the next decade. Combined with the Type 45 Destroyer and four tankers to support the fleet at sea, as well as the forthcoming renewal of Trident, this means the Royal Navy of today is being equipped for the challenges of the 21st century
http://navaltoday.com/2015/01/30/uk-aims-to-build-most-modern-navy-in-the-world/
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Meanwhile Argentina announces the building of its latest and most advanced rowing boat in the world.
www.Let’s have a joke.com
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@41 pgerman
Jan 31st, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In addition, no HHRR violation by the Argentina troops have ever been proved during the war”
I'm not sure how this ended up :
“Over 70 Argentine officers face trial for torturing conscripts in Malvinas
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/06/10/over-70-argentine-officers-face-trial-for-torturing-conscripts-in-malvinas”
Given the Argentine military's track record with its own citizens and its own men, what are the grounds for thinking they would have refrained from turning their core skills on the islanders if they'd been left to their own devices?
Considering they have been known to throw nuns from helicopters,
Jan 31st, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0would you believe what CFK,
Argies are sadly brainwashed by the argentine government, now and in the past.
@65 & 68
Feb 01st, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't mention this any longer. It won't help you at all.
When the Junta Militar took power and stared violating HHRR in Argentine territory the UK, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan considered that they were their allies and all of them had “hemispheric responsibilities” in the fighting of communism. You might forgot how many weapons the UK sold Argentina, how many loans and militar training courses British militars gave in the region.
So, nobody in USA and the UK cared about HHRR violations until the argentine militars decided to make a movement “on their own” without asking for permission and landed in the FI.
In addition, the UK, USA and FI people did not care much about Augusto Pinochet assistance before, during and after the war...you might consider Pinochet quite a democratic general !!!
Not a single HHRR violation by argentine troops were ever denounced but if you want to “play the role of the victim” in front of the UK public opinion....it's ok....go ahead you can do it...
In addition all the argentine troops were made POW so the british government should have judged them in case of HHRR violations...but nothing was denounced
My favorite was when the Rgs buried their miscreants in wet cold sand for a night or 3. Maybe that's what the FIG should do to them if they disobey the laws....
Feb 01st, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@70
Feb 01st, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see. So Human Rights violations by the Argentine were all somebody else's fault, or it was all OK because a big boy told them to do it?
For numerous examples of human rights violations by the Argentine military in the Falklands during the Argentine occupation, towards conscripts as well as islanders, I'd suggest you read “Land that lost its heroes: how Argentina lost the FalklandsWar” by Jimmy Burns. :http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007Z4SEYI/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's also quite instructive on how the Argentine officer class from top to bottom regarded brutal repression as “professionalism”, and also on some of the scams run by the officers against their own men. Apparently the iconic picture of the sinking Belgrano was taken by a conscript, and then surrendered to his officer who sold it on for a tidy sum and pocketed the proceeds.
In any event, the question I asked you, was what made you think the Argentine military wouldn't have resorted to their tried and true methods if the eyes of the world hadn't been upon them, and they hadn't been booted out in good time?
The junta was composed of Argentineans, supported by Argentineans and in Argentina.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Argentineans always want us to concentrate on what other countries did.
The simply fact is that the junta was the legally recognised government of Argentina. If Argentineans don't want foreign countries to deal with such a form of government THEN DON'T BLOODY HAVE ONE.
If Argentineans can be swayed to overthrow their government by foreign governments or interests then that is a reflection on Argentina. Highlighting everyone else's actions doesn't absolve that dictatorships in Argentina are domestic.
70 pgerman
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“
When the Junta Militar took power and stared violating HHRR in Argentine territory the UK, Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan considered that they were their allies and all of them had “hemispheric responsibilities” in the fighting of communism. You might forgot how many weapons the UK sold Argentina, how many loans and militar training courses British militars gave in the region.”
Once again, YOU need to take responsibility for your domestic affairs.
The cause was “fighting Communism”, yet the YS and UK were able to do that too, but without “disappearing”, torturing, or throwing their citizens out of airplanes.
“So, nobody in USA and the UK cared about HHRR violations until the argentine militars decided to make a movement “on their own” without asking for permission and landed in the FI.”
Again, that was YOUR government- it was up to you to say “they do not represent us”, but instead, you cheered them on, millions of you !!
I see you don't even mention the ethics of betraying those benefactors you just described as “allies”.
“Not a single HHRR violation by argentine troops were ever denounced but if you want to “play the role of the victim” in front of the UK public opinion....it's ok....go ahead you can do it.”
HHRR violations by Argentine invaders against the population and your own conscripts, have been repeatedly DENOUNCED in detail.
They were never formally prosecuted, though.
Imagine the scope of that job.
The British were more interested in getting the large numbers of surrendered, disgraced Argentines, the hell off their islands, and going home, themselves.
Even then, the Argentine people felt the invasion troops had betrayed ARGENTINA by LOSING, not by invading!
@52
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“but Aerolineas Argentinas was not allowed to fly to Port Stanley...”
As the Argentine government have not contacted the Director of Civil Aviation in the Falklands for permission to fly to the Falklands, it is hard to see AA getting permission.
It would be stupid for Argentina to contact London for permission for AA to fly to Stanley (as Stanley is located in the Falkland Islands, not the UK).
What AA aircraft could land at Stanley airport with its short runway?
Also, don't forget FIGAS have not asked permission to fly to Argentina either.
The British Government are not responsible for Civil Aviation in the Islands-that is what the Falkland Islands Government is for.
@72, 73 & 74
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let me see if I understood...are you worried for the fate of argentine solidiers?...you enjoy discussing how “easy targets” they were...you make fun of their “cowardy”...and now this...I thought you were complaining about HHRR violations against islanders.
The alledged violation of HHRR of argentine soldiers is part of a business and media show
Having been there,I know Barbados does not allow the importation, or wearing of Camouflage clothing. Except by it's own or invited Military personnel.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It could surely be enacted as a local bylaw in the Falklands, that non-residents may similarly not wear or import such clothing.
Hardly discrimination. And should anyone turn up improperly dressed they can be held until the next return flight, or sent back to the Ship.
@76
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I've never made fun of Argentine conscripts, who were the principal victims of the whole stupid, infantile, sordid business of the invasion.
And their treatment by their own officers is simply a further illustration of the unscrupulous brutality and endemic corruption of the Argentine military at that time. And yet you're trying to tell us that what was deployed onto the islands by a messianic dictatorship that took pride in the torture and murder of its own citizens was some mixture of the Red Cross and the Boy Scouts. Right.
It's also curious that the “alleged violation” of argentine soldiers ended up in the Argentine courts. How did that come about?
Really, you should try admitting Argentine failings sometime. It's liberating and if enough of you do it, it might help you move forward as a country.
@58 There we go with the name calling . That F question as you stated should be answered by the people doing it FUCKING MORON not by me !!!!
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71 really ?
Yankee from where ? the North? for sure not the South .
To display a national flag on a foreign land or foreign territory is very disrespectful indeed. I remember in Los Angeles during the 80's...illegal aliens waving their flags in front of LA City Hall......it gets on one's nerves very quickly! Like we have in the USA...put them on a no-fly list next time around, take action on their passports, cancel their stay.....etc. The sad part is that a few jerks spoil the normalization of activities.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 079 Artilero
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do not live in the Falklands.
I would really hope there is no unprovoked nastiness to simple Argentine sightseers.
We have only your word, there was nothing leading up to it.
However, I can understand the lingering resentment from the Islanders towards Argentina for their actions during the war.
Unfortunately too, there have been Argentine visitors posing as tourists or families of veterans, who have grossly abused the hospitality of the Islanders.
Numerous vindictive political stunts against the Islsnders, were perpetrated by Argentina. Some were filmed surreptitiously, in Stanley, as an arrogant affront to the people that live there.
One hears of Argentine visitors demanding to pay for goods in Pesos, now the deliberate flag provocations.
All by 'innocent-looking' visitors like you.
The most outrageous, offences involved using the Argentine veterans and their families as pawns in your government's current propaganda campaign.
The Islanders were vilified for vandalising the Vigin Mary at the cemetary, combined with massive publicity and denouncements by your government.
Not only are CFK callously playing with the emotions of the veterans families, but they dishonour the Veterans and War Dead, themselves.
Argentine families are allowed to visit, only at the sufferance of the Islanders, but Argentina abuses the situation.
The War Dead are only on the Islands because Argentina refused to accept the bodies. They would rather use them as a tool, to 'turn the knife' when they feel like it.
CFK has had numerous opportunities to repatriate the fallen, but instead your government plays politics, and initiates “DNA Testing” and exploits the emotions of veterans and their families.
As to insulting Argentines, I personally reserve that only for your wicked and corrupt government politicians, or the Malvinista, Anti-British trolls on MP.
It doesn't have to be this way. Blame your government.
@81
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have a reason to lie nor I want to make this a propaganda campaign I can care less . As far as blaming the government which one ? I'm a US citizen.
Overall my experience was positive so I don't have a reason to either hate, dislike , discriminate or whatever . All I have to say is that we followed the law to the T and I didn't like the fact that I was placed in a situation with the rest. Why is this so difficult to understand ? The troublemakers should be penalized and the rest should be left alone .
81 - whats so bad about offering peso's. offer and acceptance/or not. I've been offered a currency different to the national currency in work in the past, did a bit of math and accepted it. Deposit was no big deal either.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can take anyone serious who claims they “had trucks going 200 mph passing at 2 inches from where we were walking and with the usual flipping the bird sign”
200mph..... 320kph?
2 inches from them?
But managed to see someone giving him the finger?
I didn't know the Falkland Islands had jet propelled trucks.
Also considering the suspension on any truck and the centre of gravity, 2 inches wouldn't have saved anyone from being killed from the swaying a truck would do at that speed.
The only part that rang true was someone giving him the finger. Civilised you consider that the equivalent in Argentina is to stone someone.
Skip
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find his original statement to be no more than indignant exaggeration, 200 mph! etc.
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We walked along the roads to the Artillery positions from 82 without displaying flags nor wearing any type of uniforms and we had trucks going 200 mph passing at 2 inches from where we were walking and with the usual “ flipping the bird sign” . We did not provoke , we respected the rules and overall we had a great time . Learn how to differentiate ( by taking pics by the police , banning trouble makers, etc) the ones that respect you all as a country VS the ones that want to make trouble. That's all I have to say :-)”
...but then, we'll never know the true circumstances.
However, an odd statement about being a U.S. citizen - not sure what his point was???
I suppose he was identified as being an Argentino, as he was walking with a group of obvious argentine foreigners, not of the Islands ( don't forget, with only 3,000 population, the inhabitants know who is a visitor) and probably was not wearing anything to indicate he was from the US.
Hard for the trucks passing at 200 mph to ask him.
Sounds more like 'indignant' Artilero is trying to muddy the waters and distract from the core point - CFK and the Peronists are aggravating the situation deliberately.
Vestige,
We're not talking about “offering” to pay with Pesos, but “demanding” that Pesos be accepted for payment - because “everyone knows” the Falklands are part of Argentina, right??
This too, is only anecdotal, but you can be sure the Falklsnders must experience this every now and then, as they mention it is an ongoing source of disagreements.
Artilero 601,
So we're back to, things would go better between the Islands and Argentina of the Argentine government were not attempting to economically blockade and cripple the Islands, and there was no ongoing “dispute” and propaganda campaign.
Can I be more clear??
Perhaps you support those actions.
@85
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't !!
It's always interesting to see the latest rubbish coming out La Campora's brainwashing schools .
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pgerman , you are priceless , mate , please keep this up
@85
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, an odd statement about being a U.S. citizen - not sure what his point was??? My point is that you keep saying “ your government ” etc , as far as I remember I voted Obama in the last election
Hard for the trucks passing at 200 mph to ask him.... I didn't have the radar obviously , exaggerating a little ?
and last ” Sounds more like 'indignant' Artilero is trying to muddy the waters and distract from the core point - CFK and the Peronists are aggravating the situation deliberately.... Do I represent the Argentine government ? No , I don't
Is that clear enough sir ? :-)
88 Artillero 601
Feb 04th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite clearly,
in your first post, you were indignantly, identifying yourself with a group of ARGENTINIANS, an 'unfairly' persecuted group.
Therefore,
THEIR government IS your government.
funny how when the finger is pointed the other way, you disassociate yourself from your friends, and cut and run.
Exaggeration always makes for a better story, right?
This all says a lot about your integrity, doesn't it?!
:-)
@83
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ whats so bad about offering peso's. offer and acceptance/or not”
1/- What use is a Peso to a Falkland Islander ?
2/-Pesos are worth Jack Shit as a currency.
3/- The pound is the currency in the Falkland Islands.
Does that answer you question?
If I go to a European Country where the Euro is the currency, I take Euros-not pounds-it's called common sense-why risk not being served by offering the wrong currency?
Another example of some Argentine's sheer stupidity-no wonder you are in debt and forced to beg money off people.
Pesos, shmesos.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mickey mouse money.
On par with Biafran Pounds or Zim Dollars.
Just Argentines being arrogant & trying to get us to acknowledge their illegitimate, ridiculous, laughable “claims”.
Falkland Pounds, Vestige.
Although personally l would accept British Pounds & US Dollars.
Trolls : Kretina does not accept Pesos in her chain of hotels in El Calafate .
Feb 04th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's either dollars or euros ( and probably the yuan as well by now ) .
So if your head of state does not accept your own currency in her hotels in the mainland , why would the Falklanders accept an increasingly worthless foreign currency in their shops ?
This pointless harrassement will get you nowhere , apart from arrested .
The sooner you realise that Kretina and Timmerman don't want resolution , but simply conflict , the sooner you will be able to get with the rest of your rather pointless and shallow lives .
As long as you're all talking about Pesos, the largest denomination of bill is $100 and it is now estimated to be 2/3 of the circulation.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you imagine.
There's really something mentally wrong with most of the Arg population to let this criminal activity be tolerated day in and day out generation after generation.
Cue new currency shortly.
@89
Feb 04th, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You intentions are to mock me and not to listen to my story therefore I will ignore you due to the fact that you have nothing good to say. Roger out !
@91
Everybody asked for local pounds . Am I wrong ?
94 Arti 601
Feb 04th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what you expect.
You relay an exaggerated story about You as a member of a group of Argentines suffering unprovoked intimidation and discrimination.
When it is pointed out that there is justifiable resentment towards Argentina because of the Government of Argentina, assumed to be your government, because you are complaining as an offended Argentine - you DENY BEING AN ARGENTINE - “not MY government, I'm a U.S. citizen”
A childish, specious, argument - get off your high horse.
@95
Feb 04th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not at all . You are twisting my words for the purpose of discrediting my comments .
I've been in bars in Poland , Holland , Belgium and Slovakia when Germans have walked in with the same attitude as some Argentines adopt in the Falklands .
Feb 04th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On most occasions it's resulted in Germans flying out of doors and windows with a few teeth missing .
This is 70 years after WWII .
The Falklands war ended only 33 years ago .
Either adopt a respectful and polite attitude or be prepared to endure at least another 33 years of abuse .
The 72 day Argentine occupation of the Islands was not pleasant for the residents , in some cases it was terrifying .
If you think it's OK to swagger about the place waving flags in military clothing , you must understand the locals will be aggressive and rude towards you .
Dress normally , be polite , charming and respectful , and the Islanders will be hospitable and respectful to you .
96 Artillero 601
Feb 04th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't seem to be able to relate any of your stories accurately or without exaggeration and distortion.
Therefore, there is no point arguing with you or reviewing FACTS - we only have your anecdote, exaggerated for effect.
I am content to key others read back your original post and responses. They can draw their own conclusions :-)
@27
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@98
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Troy, should try a different language ? so far we are not freaking understanding each other !! :-)
I think we understand each other, perfectly.
Feb 04th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah !! specially when you are trying to get consensus from the forum on a very innocent, non controversial , non political , harmless comment of mine ! lol
Feb 04th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PS : the saga continues .... :-)
Don't worry Pomi...
Feb 04th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do believe you...
hahahahahaha !!!! what's up with this guy ??? :-)
Feb 04th, 2015 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0101, 102, 103,
Feb 04th, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, dear,
just another Think sock puppet...
Artless 601
Feb 04th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really need to get a grip. Do they sell them at your local store?
Obviously part of the scarcity levels you suffer. ...
105 ilsen
Feb 05th, 2015 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd say we've already reached a consensus about Artless 101
A few years ago, l did correspond, on this site with Artillero 601 & l thought that maybe he was one of the better Argentines here.
Feb 05th, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0He also seemed like a gentleman & didn't seem to agree with señor Think.
Maybe he has changed, or maybe everybody has just got off to a bad start?
Peace
107 Isolde
Feb 05th, 2015 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for chiming in, Isolde.
I will take that into account.
@107
Feb 05th, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm still the same Ms Isolde . I haven't changed and actually it was nice to hear from you again :-) Peace
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