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Nisman “was not the maker of his death” underlines former wife at the burial
Argentine special prosecutor Alberto Nisman was buried on Thursday in the same section of the main Jewish cemetery in Buenos Aires as the victims in the 1994 AMIA bombing that he was investigating, but the circumstances surrounding his death have become even more confusing and mysterious. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesnothing confusing and mysterious about it, it was a direct order from the pink casa.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1 We finally agree on something.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whist Nisman and the murdered jews in the bombing are buried in the Martyrs Section of the B.A. Cemetery, it stretches definitions a bit too far to define them as martyrs.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 03. Is this a better dialogue because of your contribution? I think we all know the answer. Lol. Just stop. Consider. And be silent.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. 'A martyr is somebody who suffers persecution and/or death for advocating, renouncing, refusing to renounce, and/or refusing to advocate a belief or cause of either a religious or secular nature.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the case of the AMIA bombing, who would select just Jewish people to kill, maim or wound? Iranians? Arabs? Muslims? Argies, who don't care who they kill, wound or maim as they have no conscience.
And how would YOU define a martyr?
Nisman investigated for ten years, despite intimidation and threats. Finally, he died for what he believed.
There is nothing 'stretched'. There may be a couple of dozen honest, intelligent, responsible argentines. Then there's the rest. Two thousand years ago, the Roman emperors kept the plebs happy with 'games'. Not 'sport' as we know it, but wholesale death. Aren't the origins of argies in Italy and Spain? Spain still likes to enjoy death. Bullfights. Ever seen the bull win? Notice that bullfights take place in arenas? Exactly the same as those for the gladiators of Rome.
Spain, italy and argieland are just throwbacks most of the world spent 2,000 years eliminating. And guess what, all three are economically and politically hopeless.
Perhaps we could redefine the Martyrs as Heroes, it makes no more sense.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 05. Give it up. He has a agenda.
Jan 30th, 2015 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3 GeoffWard2
Jan 31st, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are two definitions concerning the term 'Martyr'.
One is the old definition involving 'religion and death therefrom.
The other is;
“a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle”
Mirriam Webster.
Clearly Nisman died as a result of his principles, if that makes him a martyr, so be it.
THANK YOU?, WHY?.
Jan 31st, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know it's not politicly correct to say this, but i really don't care whether some people like it or not. I don't know how was nisman in other causes, but i know about his work in the amia case, and i can only say that he did so little to find the truth. The fact that we claim for justice, in order to know whether what happened with him was a murder or a suicide, doen'st mean that we must omit that he was a disaster as a prosecutor for the amia case. He just answered to the interests of the embassy from u. s. a. in buenos aires, that's why he never analized the sirian trace, and focus on the iranian one. There are some wikiliks that refer to those issues.
On the other hand, one of the most important arguments of the weak denounce that he presented against the president and chancellour temerman was rejected even by interpol. He said that one of the main purposes of the memorandum was the elimination of the red alerts, however the ex general secretary from interpol said that the government has never asked the elimination of the red alerts. Taking into account all these objetive facts, i don't know why we should thank nisman, as it was expressed in many of the signs.
On the other hand, in the same way i criticised the cretins from the corporate press, who since the first moment started blaming the government for nisman's death, without any proof, even after the words of prosecutor fein, who said that ´´there are no signs of a third party involved´´, i also criticised the president when she expressed that nisman was killed, i think it was a very irresponsable comment, because we still don't know what really happened.
Some people will have to understand some day that ONLY JUSTICE can determine whether someone is guilty or inocent, instead of making a cheap circus of nisman's death, blaming the government without any solid proof. I know some people don't like when i say this, but as i said before, i really don't care.
Axel ....truly it is a shame you could not have been in that room with Nisman. But.....being the kirchner shit ball you are........perhaps you were.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0If kirchner announced a plan to build a bridge to China you would be posting the benefits of the bridge for social inclusion.
“..., i really don't care.”
Feb 01st, 2015 - 06:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0In point of fact this is your view of his murder. Any means to reach the end. ;)
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@9
Feb 01st, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus Have to laugh Axel, you an Argentinian talking about “ JUSTICE ” you have got to be kidding right, when has Argentina ever served up justice, you just wait and “ investigate ” something until it is no longer in the minds of the electorate and then everything is dropped. “ JUSTICE IN ARGENTINA IS A JOKE ” ask anyone in the street. The trouble is that no Argentinian will get off their arse and make justice work as all the judiciary are politically elected. And you well know it.
CAPTAIN POPPY. GOLFCRONIE.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really lamentable the mediocre lectures that you both made of my comment. I'm sure that you are not idiots, actualy nobody is, but perhaps your problem is that you can't make serious critics.
I am just saying that for blaming someone for a crime, or for anything, are necesary solid prooves, thats' why i was very upset when i heard the forced and distorted interpretations of many cretins from hegemonical press who started blaming the government WITHOUT any solid proof, although you don't want to see it, all those bastards are just using nisman's death.
On the other hand, i don't ignore that an important sector of argentine justice is really shameful, in fact the ineptitude and burocracy of many judges are one of the manin causes of our problems. However i would be too unfair if i thought that all judges are corrupt and useless, in fact there are many other of them who make a good work, you don't have to forget that argentina is judging the criminals of the last dictatorship. Anyway, if you are happy believing the too partial view that you have about argentina, i accept it, but it would be better if you searched more serious sources to know about the problems of argentina.
According to Clarin (but not mentioned in BsAs Herald) Nisman was going to ask the Federal Judge to order the arrests of TMBOA, Gollum and another, minor character.
Feb 01st, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 'comments' make fascinating reading.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/nisman-cristina-denuncia_original-amia_0_1295870451.html
This is why you are deemed a bot. Your education is very poor if you deem that a lecture and cannot differentiate between a lecture and a statement. Professors lecture.........old warriors call a spade a spade and a minion a manipulated robot.
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I am just saying that for blaming someone for a crime, or for anything, are necesary solid prooves”
A prosecutor in the USA needs proof “beyond a reasonable doubt”. I am not a prosecutor or special counsel.
My threshold of proof is lower and need not benefit the defendant. There's an old saying.....where there's smoke....there's fire. And as I said in other posts. Kirchner would much rather live (because that is what she can do is live) with whispers and speculation she is behind Nisman's murder without concrete proof (unless foreign intelligence gets involved and supply the actual proof, which still may very well happen).
The alternative to not killing him was for Nisman to plow forward with the proof he possessed that now is seemingly missing, and ultimately have to be labelled a “terrorist state”, which covertly is well known over the past several years. Your fearless leader is way too stupid to even begin to comprehend what the capacities are of a real intelligence operation that goes beyond political intelligence.
She fucked up axel. She went from Pop Warner football, passed by high school and collegiate and right into the NFL. She's stepped into a world that is so far over her head she will be lucky to keep it.
Axel:
Feb 02nd, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The mere fact that DNA sampling, according to the Prosecutor, shows that the only Nisman's DNA was present means that an outsider was present in the apartment at the time of Nisman's death. Otherwise Lagomarsino's DNA would have been found on the gun!
CAPTAIN POPPY-SIMON68: Sorry guys, but i prefer being more responsable, that's why i won't blame anyone if i have no prooves. Accept it or not, justice hasn't manifested yet that there are indications which might signalize that the government had something to do with nisman's death, however a lot of people started protesting against it in plaza de mayo, and in other cities from the country, which was no more than a pathetic and despisable manipulation of a tragedy like this one. Beyond the empathy or the rejection that anybody can feel for c. f. k's government, i think that the best that we can do, is to wait untill justice determines what really happened with him, instead of buying so easily the mediatic operations which usually aim to blame the government without any solid proof, on the other hand, some functionaries from the government should be also more responsable, they sometimes blame some people without prooves too. In fact, i criticised the phrases of the president when she said that ´´nisman was used alive, and now they needed him dead´´, i think it's a very irresponsable comment, because there are no prooves that can support that.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simple and to the point: There is not justice in Argentina. My opinion.
Feb 03rd, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yours.....let's wait and say what they government finds.
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