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Anti-austerity Podemos party becomes Spain's second party and political option
Spain’s anti-austerity left-wingers Podemos would come in second, ahead of the Socialist party (PSOE), if general elections were held today, a polling firm declared this week, as the party, barely one year old, continues its surge in popularity. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSo the Spaniards don't want to earn their way in the world, they want to continue with handouts from the EU to which the UK gives GBP 50 M a day.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The sooner we are out of the losers paradise the better.
@ChrisR
Feb 07th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0The loser’s paradise will be quite happy to see your departure....
Do you have any confirmed day?????
Because you have been for years saying the same but that never materialises...
Slowly, slowly....
Feb 07th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chris, soon you can move back to Europe and enjoy a socialist country ;)
The Krauts will pay… .and pay… ..and pay… . Bahahaha
Feb 07th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First is was the Ossies, now its the Grecians, retire at 60, never pay taxes, then the Spaniards, long Siestas, manana, manana, then no doubt the Ities, … tbe Krauts will pay… and pay..and pay…
Just like Argieland basket cases!
3. You mean like the Socialist Paradise of Venezuela?
Feb 07th, 2015 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean the socialists in Venezuela didn't create a paradise?
Feb 07th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow who would have thunk it? You know, what with all of us being Chavez.
Bahahahahahahahahahahahah
@ 2 & @ 3
Feb 07th, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your dreams, I am now on the list for a Uruguayo passport, but that also takes three years, just like the cedula.
Eat your hearts out dimwits.
It's ok Chris, you are not the first one to say one thing and do something else.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay is a marvel of a country, why on earth would you go back to Europe???
We are all Chavez.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Socialism always end up like what's going on in Venezuela.
It is glorious to watch it collapse.
I am so happy.
Can’t see there being any support in Germany for the idea of them paying any more, or anywhere else in northern/central Europe for that matter.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Podemos will see what Syriza are now learning, just because Greeks vote to write off their debt, does not make it binding on the creditors.
End of the yellow brick bailout road is in sight, Greece, Spain are going to have to balance their books (which is the fundamental problem that they have) as Ireland has done, or Venezuela will start to look like a socialist paradise, for them.
Debt relief will no doubt have to form a part of that, however real reforms will be the price.
Or it will all just happen again.
yanqui
Feb 07th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch all you want, and turn the blind eye to what you don't want to see.
It matters little...
;)
@ 8 Stevie
Feb 07th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh, and still the lies come from your mouth as they do for all the Tupas and The Broad Fraud.
How long did it take to get over your mental breakdown this time? You do realise that if you keep lying as you do you will have another breakdown, more severe than the last, don't you? Or have your handlers not mentioned that?
The glorious collapse of Socialism/Marxism is enough amusement.
Feb 07th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You mean like in Spain? Or Greece?
Feb 07th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It this a new tactic? Like reversed psychology?
The day we leave the Euro gravy train,
Feb 07th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0many british politicians will go broke , or emigrate or just commit hari kari,
seems fine to me,
the Euro loonies on the other hand will survive without us, [ they have no choice ]
good luck to them,
but we will be out , Free , and at least 50 billion richer..
@2
Feb 08th, 2015 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The loser’s paradise will be quite happy to see your departure....”
And lose our contribution? Ahh I see, perhaps Spain will contribute the equivalent of £50 million a day.
@15 “but we will be out , Free , and at least 50 billion richer..”
Yes. that money will be more usefully spent on our own people and we won't lose trade as we buy more from Europe that they buy from us-so Europe is still stuck with us, without their interference in our laws.
Over Merkels dead body!
Feb 08th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0:)))
@17. Can be arranged!
Feb 08th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I long said the Euro will end up being a failed experiment. We started seeing the air being let out of it a few years ago.
Feb 08th, 2015 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think as countries start pulling out the whole dream will collapse.
The UK better get out as soon as possible.
They never should have been part of it anyway.
It was the “lovely” Edward Heath wot did it (and the vote on really bad lies).
Feb 08th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wait,
Feb 08th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scottish and Welsh nationalists pledge to stop the English leaving EU
Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood: 'The votes in each of the countries should be added up separately and we should only pull out of the EU if all four countries want to do that'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11398744/Scottish-and-Welsh-nationalists-pledge-to-stop-the-English-leaving-EU.html
mmmmmmmm
I have always found it HILLARIOUS that the same morons that bitch Argentina is too isolationist and closed, are the same ones against the Euro, against immigration, against integration, against the EU, against the UN, etc.
Feb 09th, 2015 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
@15. It is the case that the UK MUST leave the EU. Too many people in the UK seem to have forgotten who WE are. The British government HAS made mistakes. Probably forced by the wimpy LibDems! WE can look back with pride. WW2. The war WE won with some assistance from the Americans. WE only asked them to give us the tools and WE would finish the job. WE'd already beaten Rommel in North Africa. And what about the Russians? Forever demanding supplies, that were sent to them, and whinging for a second front. Anyway, the Russians were already stealing. And the Americans only turned up when it was half over. Slightly better than WW1.
Feb 09th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let's go back a few more years. The English Empire really began in the 16th century. Look at that. 300 years before the cesspit of latam. On to the British Empires. There were two. Mostly about trade. You can't trade if people want to fight. So they have to be taught not to fight. They have to be taught about the benefits of civilisation. Bet the monkeys from latam that get on here would really hate to think of how much Britain gave to build them.
I am horrified by supposed Brits that say things like “Mustn't get involved”, “None of our business”, “We only need enough armed forces to protect Britain”. If it wasn't so serious, I'd be laughing at the tosspots that insisted that Syria was 'none of our business' but now insist that Britain should be 'interfering' with ISIL. And what do they want? They want British troops and tanks and other armoured vehicles out there. How long ago were they screaming for British forces to be withdrawn from Afghanistan. And, curiously, there are so few offering to lead the way to Iraq. That's because they're cowards.
Think back to WW2. The UK didn't really start to win until 1942. There WAS the Battle of Britain, but that was essentially defensive. The Royal Marines, the Paras, the SAS and SBS, the RAF and the Royal Navy. Who has anyone better? And the rest aspire to match them! If their hands weren't tied.
The UK may well indeed leave the EU but as the largest neighbouring economy and the the world's fourth largest non-EU economy, it will still be one of the EU's largest trading and strategic partners.
Feb 09th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a huge believer and supporter in the EU, however I will admit that it has evolved along radically different lines to what it had been envisaged in the 50s and 60s.
I believe in competitive federalism where you devolve down decisions and attempt to limit the concentration of power and control upwards. And the EU has become the opposite. This works well with many smaller countries. It also works well with countries such as France and Germany that have a specific history to remedy. However it doesn't work well with the UK that was more outward looking and can easily survive successfully on its own merits.
The EU bolsters the power and world presence of small countries and gives Germany the ability to do the same after it has been so restricted post WWII. It also gives France the trappings of an empire that it has never been able to reconcile losing. However it does the opposite to the UK. It restricts and hampers and attempts to draw inwards the UK.
I'm a huger believer in the EU. I'm also a higher supporter of the Euro. But at the same time I also believe the UK is better off outside the EU. And that both the EU and the UK will proposer better for this.
There seems to be some attempt at a meme that UK power, influence and standing will somehow be diminished by leaving the EU.However there is no basis in reality for these ideas. The opposite is true as the UK's diplomatic and soft power will be unrestrained and it will continue to have full access to the EU market while being able to chart an independent economic policy.
In 2013, the UK's net contribution to the EU was £8.6 billion. Spain as a net EU beneficiary will feel budgetary pain if the UK leaves.
EYE SAY==
Feb 09th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0their is nothing, but nothing the Eu can do for Britain,
that the British government cannot do,
and when the British government cannot and will not do nothing for us,
then their is something very seriously wrong with the British government.
PODEMOS ideological bed-fellows of the the Chavistas in Vene-Cuba.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0They have recieved financial support from the incumbent, ruling party of Vnzla, the PDVSA grouping.
Will Spain join the race to the bottom? Will this cancer spread?
We should remain alert.
@Skip &Briton
Feb 10th, 2015 - 05:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, we have listened for so long how bad would be the departure of UK for the EU, also that you don’t need Us, and that without Us you would be better off, etc.
My easy question is...
When you will materialise your departure dream?
I just can’t get enough...
Come on don’t talk anymore none is keeping you by force into the EU, in fact you were the ones that were crying like babies to become part of the EU project.
Why we didn’t listened to France when she said that you will be a pain in the ass for Europe.
26. Spain Portugal and Greece were always the maids of the northern Europeans, have been for centuries and will be again.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Euro Union will break up
The Euro will go back to be a “reference” currency and we'll see every country managing their own economies again.
Wait and see.
the funny thing is that little england owes 320 billion pounds to spain, while spain owes just 70 billion pounds to britain.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15748696
now, you bennys may ask what the fuck england is doing with all that money.
and the answer is they are investing it in: illegal drugs, prostitution and hairdressers.
the base of their economy...lol
“Prostitution and illegal drugs are contributing around £10 billion a year to the British economy, according to official data released last May.”
“More than half of that – £5.3 billion – is attributable to prostitution, according to estimated figures from the Office for National Statistics. Illegal drugs are worth £4.4bn.”
“Other illegal activities, such a the smuggling of alcohol and tobacco, are already included in GDP and make up some £300m.
Illegal drugs and prostitution are worth 0.7 per cent of British national wealth, which is roughly the same proportion as agriculture, gambling and accommodation services which includes hotels, bed and breakfasts and caravan parks.
They are worth more than advertising, which is 0.5pc of gdp, and double the contribution of real estate activities, at 0.35pc.”
Dany
Feb 10th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will leave the EU when the people decide they will.
I know democracy is an inconvenience to people like you and the UK in the EU is an annoyance to you as well.
So suck it up!
Your cognitive abilities are severely constrained by either your upbringing, education or wilful blindness, however the only winner out of the UK leaving the EU is the UK. And I say that even though I'm a firm supporter of the EU. Logical supporter not emotional like you.
The UK will continue to enjoy free trade with the EU (because it suits and benefits the EU) but will gain economic and fiscal flexibility. You can't deny these facts.
The EU will suffer a huge loss of prestige after losing its second largest economy (yes second, do try to keep up) and the subsequent loss of influence in fora such as the G20, UN Security Council, G7 and Commonwealth. It will also tilt the influence within the EU towards countries such as France, Italy and Spain and away from Germany and northern European countries such as Poland, Netherlands and Scandinavia.
The UK bottom line will increase by £8.6 billion per year while the EU budget will take a (current) 8% drop in revenue. To someone with an Argentinean education and used to the government manipulating economic figures this wouldn't seem a problem. However in the real world any government budget that takes an 8% hit is in serious trouble.
Anti-British sentiment is a common feature of people from less successful countries, however no one has ever once shown a downside for the UK in leaving the EU. There is just emotional triumphalism that on an ill-thought out assumption that this is a good thing for the EU.
Once outside the EU, the UK would be the EU's largest trading partner ahead of China and the US and the largest export destination. That's a relationship the EU will want to foster.
Facts beat your emotional brain farts every single time.
Danny
Feb 10th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what SKIP says is correct,
the political parties here don't want to leave for many reasons, all of them political and none of them in the countries interest,
we cant just walk out the door,?
Britain was a power and wealthy before we went in, and will be when we come out,
we joined a common market , not a bunch of bananas who dictate to us abt the colour of fruit , the length and straightness of cucumbers , definitely not the power of hoovers and irons and hair dryers ,
Eu edits and commands come down every day without our consent,
we will go one day, but not as enemies but as friends , we have been trading with Europe for more than two thousand years, through thick an thin,
and we will trade after our departure,
politicians talk crap and are only self serving,
grumble over lol
Your politicians are so corrupt, they managed a legal way to canalise money from Joe commons pockets.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They call it the EU.
If that's the success that defines the anti-British sentiments, imagine your failures...
Yeah that made no sense whatsoever.
Feb 10th, 2015 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true..
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0it must be a danny reply..
@Briton & Skip
Feb 11th, 2015 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a bunch of contradictory persons you know.
Fist you say that you want to go away from EU, ok go on, none will miss you, good luck no much to say.
Then you come with the excuse of the people and democracy and say that the problem is your politicians, etc.
So I just wonder how a so democratic society, as you said, want to leave from the EU to be better off and then vote for politicians that only serve they own peculiar interests?
What kind of shitty democracy is that?
On the other hand idiot Skip says that Ukistan will keep enjoying the benefits of trading with EU like nothing happened.
Are you so naive or someone else is actually is lying to you?
He, he, hey oh oh oh...
Forget about me sniff, sniff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IITFzGlR1g8
Dany
Feb 11th, 2015 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Fist you say that you want to go away from EU, ok go on, none will miss you, good luck no much to say.”
No I didn't.
“Then you come with the excuse of the people and democracy and say that the problem is your politicians, etc.”
No I didn't.
“So I just wonder how a so democratic society, as you said, want to leave from the EU to be better off and then vote for politicians that only serve they own peculiar interests?”
There is no basis for your claim. There is no proof that a majority of the UK wants to leave the EU. It is an assumption until they vote otherwise.
“What kind of shitty democracy is that?”
The one that hasn't had regular military dictatorships like Argentina. Indeed the UK is one of the world's oldest democracy. If you believe otherwise, then present your facts.
“On the other hand idiot Skip says that Ukistan will keep enjoying the benefits of trading with EU like nothing happened.”
And why wouldn't it? The EU has free trade agreements with over 30 countries. If it wants one with tiny San Marino, Andorra and Liechtenstein as well as poor countries such as those in Mercosur then only someone with an Argentinean education would believe they would not pursue one with their largest export destination.
“Are you so naive or someone else is actually is lying to you?”
No I'm educated and can actually critically examine an idea and facts. The fact you use UKISTAN shows you argue with emotion because you atreunable to actually argue with fact.
Oh and a YouTube clip. Wow you must still be a teenager.
So you need to lie, present no facts and back up your argument with what is surely a juvenile YouTube clip to argue a point.
Yes, definitely a product of the Argentine education system.
So many Argentine posters here like to throw in a random youtube clip in some crap attempt to validate their point.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do they really get taught to do this at school?
How sad if true.
They will never make it in the real world if so.
It's a teenage thing. Their juvenile minds don't realise how it shows their age.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Skip
Feb 11th, 2015 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0“24 Skip
The UK may well indeed leave the EU but as the largest neighbouring economy and the the world's fourth largest non-EU economy, it will still be one of the EU's largest trading and strategic partners.”
“30 Skip
The UK will leave the EU when the people decide they will.”
“however the only winner out of the UK leaving the EU is the UK.”
“The UK will continue to enjoy free trade with the EU (because it suits and benefits the EU) but will gain economic and fiscal flexibility. You can't deny these facts.”
“The EU will suffer a huge loss of prestige after losing its second largest economy”
“The one that hasn't had regular military dictatorships like Argentina. Indeed the UK is one of the world's oldest democracy”
Yes for retarded that have still a monarch as a head of state like in Africa. Ha ha ha
“And why wouldn't it? The EU has free trade agreements with over 30 countries.”
We will not give that to you idiot, you will become a pariah state in the middle of nowhere you will come useless for Us.
“No I'm educated and can actually critically examine an idea and facts. The fact you use UKISTAN shows you argue with emotion because you atreunable to actually argue with fact.”
Now is my fault that you like to use turbants, pijamas, eat Kebabs, call your children Mohamed and have Sharia law?
Well after all you can keep selling some British pop musik and organise Barbecue for Us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1EBIq2IPE4
Then you come with the excuse of the people and democracy and say that the problem is your politicians, etc.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes Danny, what a lousy excuse,
tell me, I take it you can do as you please without your politician consent then,
we lobby our politicians, to get what we want, sometimes it does not work,
labour and the lib/dems say no,
david says in 2017
ukip says straight away if they get in,
what will you give us...lol
@Briton
Feb 11th, 2015 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Excuses, excuses and more excuses...
May be this is another typical case of whingeing Poms striking again????
Excuses, excuses and more excuses...
Feb 11th, 2015 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May be this is another typical case of whingeing Argies striking again????
Just inept emasculated incompetent impoverished and impotent Argies pissing in the wind.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ignore
@Briton
Feb 11th, 2015 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0may be who knows...
But I still believe that you Britons will be better off being part of Argentina.
Let's say a AOT (Argie Overseas Territory) and Great Britain becomes a provinces of the Argies with a nice blue and white flag over Winsor Castle.
Think about all the advantages:
Free air TV so you will not have to pay for shitty BBC license anymore.
You will get rid of your Queen an idiots like Kamoron.
Your will not have to be so concern about this old shitty Island thinking if sank what I gona do?
A lot space an free visa to enter to main land.
No more water surrendered you.
Free education
And the best of would be that you will gain some respect worldwide and will stop to be the laughing stock in Europe.
Think about it...
Behold what passes for an educated Argentinean.
Feb 11th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0While Argentina wants Britain. No one wants Argentina.
However what would Argentina gain if it become a nation within the United Kingdom (yuck I shudder but as a mental exercise)?
A free media
A head of state that people don't laugh at
No more military dictatorships
But actually get a military that works and is effective
Visa free travel to more countries than any other
Access to universities that have global prestige and single digit rankings
You will live longer
And will be less likely to get murdered
You will have the same currency for your entire life
You savings won't be eroded by inflation
Your flag will be the most recognised and distinctive in the world
People will listen to your country at the UN because you'll be a permanent member
You'll get an electricity grid and sewer system that works consistently
You'll be the 5th largest economy in the world and not sliding out of the top 50 any longer
Oh and you'll get an education that is actually useful instead of one that believes it is possible to physically stop the UK being an island if it joins a continental country (“No more water surrendered you”..... should be surrounded but I forgive you because of your sub-standard education).
44@
Feb 11th, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I still believe that you Britons will be better off being part of Argentina==
cant be done, imaging the embarrassment to Argentina just to get a tiny little island,
nah,
Argentina would be better of under British rule, a giant country,
ten times our size, but sadly not a very good prize, just an expensive in debt hindrance...lol
@Skip
Feb 11th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure mate not even Cameron believe what you have posted. Ha ha
You forgot to mention that Argentina gains free of external debt. Ha ha ha
By the way have you already sorted out how you gonna pay?
@Briton
ha ha,
Seriously do really think that someone like Cameron can rule the argies?
Just imagine a Cameron being under attack and under pressure from local media groups, newspapers locally, internationally, Paul Singer, Thomas Griesa, etc, etc every single day and night.
Should be a good experiment to switch Cristina for Cameron and to see who will survive longer ruling each country.
My 2 cent for Cristina you will love her. haha
I wonder what would happen if,
Feb 12th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if the British government was allowed to partake in the argentine referendum,
giving argies 3 choices,
1, CFK
2, the opposition, what ever his name is,
3, the British,
//////////////////
What would or who would the argentine people vote for,
just out of interest,
to remain argentine or to become British.
interesting outcome...
Dany
Feb 12th, 2015 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm an Aussie you idiot. I mean I've only been saying that since I arrived on this forum more than 2 years ago.
But what more can I expect from an Argentinean educated poster. Cognitive dissonance seems to be the norm.
So what happens when Argentina has no external debt at all? Is that the rapture? Nirvana? Or will the country still be broke and dysfunctional?
You argue like a teenager with little life experience. You fall for government propaganda without question.
It is now 2015 and all people like you can do is say that it is currently better than 2002. It might be. But it doesn't mean much when everyone is leap frogging you.
Argentina keeps falling further behind. It once fell behind Brazil. It is now falling behind Colombia and Chile. Who is next? Peru? Bolivia?
None of your debt collapsing, Muslim overtaking predictions of the UK have come true. Yet out predictions of Argentina keep coming true.
That's why we love toying with you. Because you are so deluded that you don't notice the heat being turned up on the water bit by bit.
Haha! DanyBerger. The Frog that Boiled!
Feb 12th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very good analogy Skip, but I doubt he will get the reference.
@Skip
Feb 12th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh! Really? wow
Well apart to say that you are an aussie you forgot to mention Idiot as well.
Still eating this shit you call Vegemite. Ahgg!
“falling behind Colombia and Chile”
can you explain how did you arrive to the conclusion that Argentina is behind Colombia and Chile?
Stop reading shitty media would you please?
Thank you
Yep love Vegemite!
Feb 13th, 2015 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I even bought some to Mexico. Helps my reading skills as its good for eyesight.
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