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Argentina suggests Judge Griesa to remove Pollack, since he favors 'holdouts'
Argentina's Economy minister Axel Kicillof suggested on Friday that no negotiation is possible with the holdout funds as long as 'special master' appointed by US Judge Thomas Griesa continues in his post, since ”he clearly favors 'vulture funds' (holdouts)”. Read full article
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Feb 21st, 2015 - 05:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0If only Argentina was important enough to listen to!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's been 15 years already - pay up!!
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What's the holdup?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0RUFO has expired.
Ahh the logic of the Argentinian Government, they judge every one against their own standards. Just because you like to leak everything to the press that you do not like and that is not going your way, don't judge others the same. If you had agreed to a meeting, even secret, then Pollock wouldn't be saying you have refused a meeting, or for that matter that you had agreed a meeting. Simple logic, but obviously far too difficult for Knockitoff to grasp. When he grows up he may understand how the rest of the world works.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have a government that likes to parade letters that they write to people in front of the press, you release a steady stream of info/misinformation and commentary regarding Nisman case, which is considered fair game. Your government seems so used to lying and getting away with it internally, that it thinks it can do the same with other countries.
Most in SA treat you like the village idiot and pat you on the back and nod their head, then carry on doing their own thing, but everyone sees right through the charade.
The problem is, your government has an inferiority complex they cannot take fair criticism when you scream and shout and act like a petulant child when things are not going the way you think they should.
When you mature as a nation and elect responsible and accountable governments, then you will understand how the rest of the 1st world works.
Kickitoff and the rest of the liars and crooks laughingly entitled “the government” have no money to pay, even if they ever intended to pay, which is of course not the case.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Singer needs to get on with ripping the guts out of this country by sequestering every argie asset his team can find, everywhere.
Interesting points. Have we considered a cultural difference here? If we lived in a society where lying and stealing was acceptable, even expected, would we be criticising Kicillof?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is an irritating little shit, that is for sure.
He needs to start wearing grease paint for these announcements. ;)
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Minister Kicillof,
Feb 21st, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not always seeking excuses, but finally after 13 years (!!!), begin to negotiate, and repay the debt to the holdouts!
My comment @4 Killitov should be called ” THRUSH because he is an irritating #### ( word for female genitalia ) beginning with the letter C and ending in T
Feb 21st, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6. Could not agree more. The BA Herald has some interesting 'stories'. For instance, apparently, prosecutor Viviana Fein has been forced to devote the 'last few weeks' refuting information that has appeared in various media outlets. The Herald then goes on to have a separate article to list the 'main examples. All three of them. Capitanich is at it again.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Boudou's indictment is part of media, judicial attack against the Government'
Nothing about him being a bent, corrupt bitch-boy then. 'Boudou is also being investigated for several other offenses and/or crimes, and is a defendant in a total of ten cases in the Federal Courts.' Wow, years of trials ahead. And this is a vice-president? In any proper country he would have been required to resign long before now. Just shows the state of the argie 'government'.
According to another Herald article 'Shortly after the Rights Upon Future Offers (RUFO) expired at the end of 2014, the “vulture” funds sent a proposal to the federal government to resume negotiations “without pre-conditions and any present payment of cash” through Pollack, who broke the news yesterday and said the government neither accepted nor responded to the invitation.' So it wasn't 'two weeks', it was closer to two months.
If the article is accurate, “Pollack called us and said NML and other holdouts wanted to negotiate in secret and without a cash payment. He wanted me to come to New York and hold a meeting with the ‘vulture’ funds with him acting as mediator. We told our lawyers and were thinking about the proposal,” Kicillof said. “But then out of the blue he called us to tell us he was going to issue a press release, in which he forgot to mention the plan was supposed to be confidential.”
Kicillof might find it helpful if he remembered what the story is supposed to be. If Mr Pollack called to say he was going to issue a press release, wasn't that an opportunity for argieland to object?
Another example of Argentine bad faith and posturing. The existence of negotiations has never been secret or confidential, while Pollack could hardly have leaked details of a confidential negotiation that never happened.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Killitov says “ We had doubts whether Pollock's offer was sensible and if a new round of negociations could be kept secret ”, and Economy Deputy Minister Agis says ” At the same time, Agis said the Federal Government is still willing to negociate but not secretly as Pollack has requested. Now the queston is , who to believe Killitov or Agis
Feb 21st, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pollack certainly get a run for his money. What he is about to learn is that according to the K government it is actually a good thing to kill the messenger - sometimes even literally.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only way to prepare for negotiation with the current Argentine gov't is to work in a kindergarten with very spoilt kids.
Gads this idiot child is stupid. AxelK still doesn't seem to realize Argentina lost.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Idiocracy.
The dove above is haplessly benighted.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His country can't even control an outbreak of “measles”, sarampion in Spanish (some scourge my grandmother used to tell me about)... what can one learn from such a backwards place, they still have diseases from the 19th century!
17. Most of the measles outbreaks are from immigrants idiot. Plus stupid liberals who are against vaccines. I am glad they got it. They deserve it just for being so stupid. Like you.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So so it's the immigrant's fault... I wonder where I heard that before??
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNHjBpsh0KQ
19. Probably from yourself.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you ever stay on the subject, always deflection, you must have learnt it at kindergarden methinks
@21
Feb 21st, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times do I have to repeat?? I'm not going to stay on ”topic: because the topic of these sections is to insult Argentina and Argentines at every solitary opportunity regardless of what the article actually is about (even when it is a natural disaster, or positive news on science or society).
The goal is to paint your countries as immaculate lavender-tea scented rooms coated with pure passion flower honey from type C honey bees. Won't work, your' full of shit too and will keep pointing it out.
Please please please post a link any link to an article about positive news on science or society of Argentina.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From this century
Bahahahahahaha
Hows the wine business going?
Shall I say told ya???
@22
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please be my guest and point out where I have personally painted my country lavender- tea-scented. As a matter of fact you have no idea where I reside. This site is for Latin American news that does not figure too highly in the papers in most countries. If you do not like the comments here go somewhere else, try the Fox news or Rt news.
@22 Toby
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...immaculate lavender-tea scented rooms coated with pure passion flower honey from type C honey bees.”
That's pretty clever and pretty funny besides, Well done.
@22
Feb 21st, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your goal is to paint yourself as some kind of super sentient human being, an “intellectual juggernaut” of the “NoEthic” vanguard. Of course everyone can see that you are a congenital head chopper, doomed to repeat over and over again the same dreadful attacks on women bold enough to drive and brave enough to face flames rather than expose themselves to your blade. Once again, Chopper, how many of your “test subjects” have you been able to coax from a burning car?
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperdilemma2_zpsd8c87421.jpg
As stated before, I think we both know the answer to that. ;)
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Ignore Nostrils.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His posts are irrelevant.
Therefore, HE is irrelevant.
Argentina had already request the removal of Pollack because of his partial attitude, incompatible with that of a mediator.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Minister Kicilloff has also said the Republic is willing to negotiate a comprehensive agreement with all the bondholders who did not entered the agreements of 2005 and 2010 involving creditors holding 92.4 per cent of the country's foreign debt.
Pollack's last offer to negotiate regarded only the vulture fund NML Capital, and of course it makes no sense for Argentina to go for such a partial discussion.
As a judge supposed to be seeking justice, Hon. Thomas Griesa should be taking steps for a real solution for ALL bondholders instead of trying to foster only Paul Singer's interests.
28. Gads how have you made it though life so far? Are you wrong about everything?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This case has nothing to do with bondholders that have already settled with Argentina.
28 Enrique
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As a judge supposed to be seeking justice, Hon. Thomas Griesa should be taking steps for a real solution for ALL bondholders instead of trying to foster only Paul Singer's interests.”
Argentina has had 6 weeks since the expiration of the RUFO clause.
The majority of bondholders have already taken the “Argentine Haircut” and 'settled' for 30% of the bond value.
Argentina has not responded to a request for negotiations to settle with the remaining 7% of bondholders, the “”Holdouts”
If Argentina does not accept an invitation to negotiate at all, how can ANYTHING be settled ?
It is clearly Argentina that is preventing any resolution.
Uh, Argentina already considers the issue “resolved”.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no resolution needed to a closed cased.
31
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can it be “unresolved” AND a “closed case”?
You sound a bit confused.
31. So does NML and SCOTUS and NML won.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is terrible, Pollack clearly favours the victims. Obviously Argentina cannot understand how he can favour anyone other than the person La Cristina instructs him to. Clearly USA is not a civilised country.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P.S. How is the Nisman investigation going? Nowhere? what a suprise? CFK must be desperate to see one of her patsies succeed her.
31. Pagination boi.....show us where you adopted country considers this closed? Did you msrch? Maybe on that street you can't name in Mendoza where the farmers marched.........or were you blowing papa?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey maybe the Army could sell off its ammo to help pay the debt, since they are doing it privately. ;)
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bubblear.com/26000-bullets-stolen-government/
http://www.bubblear.com/26000-bullets-stolen-government/
Do you people think She will ever pay.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How the fuck does someone steal so much from an army ammo dump? Insiders.....the only way. But then we are talking about the Argentine army where extensive war games consist of speed training in dropping your weapons.....raisING your Hans in the air and repeating ......I surrender and have Geneva convention rights.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17, 19, 22. You're a 'vector'. All hispano-latinos are. Dirty, diseased, putrid.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28. Liar. Little boy Kicillof has never 'offered' anything. Kicillof doesn't understand the law. Because he's thick. And stupid. There's a judgement by a court with jurisdiction. So argieslumland does what the court says. So many argie thingy's are looking at jail for contempt of court. Bet Kicillof's a good bendover boy. Probably gets it every day.
By the way, thicko. The case Judge Griesa is dealing with is NML -v- Argentina. In a civilised nation, he must deal with the NML matter. Got it yet, dumbo? US law is similar to English law. It's a civil matter. Argieland is a crook. Pay your debts. All US$100 billion.
@22
Feb 21st, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tobi,
this should cheer you up. Have you seen the Good Country Index?
A very respectable 57th place for Argentina.
http://www.goodcountry.org/overall
PS: The land of immaculate lavender-tea scented rooms coated with pure passion flower honey from type C honey bees is 7th.
mmmmmm. Almost all NATO countries Up to the USA
Feb 21st, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@38
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cap, that story reminded me of a line from an old “Dopin' Dan” comic from the 70's (Dopin' Dan being a GI.) “Hey, you still got got that case of hand grenades?”
“Nope, sold 'em all!” ;)
#29 etc.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do me a favour. Before rushing to rebuke a posting, take at least a minute to read it and understand it. The bondholders representing 92.4 per cent of the Argentina debt have nothing to do.
It's the remaining 7.6 per cent--the holdouts who are at stake here. Now, Pollack called Argentina to discuss only NML Capital's bonds. Not even everything Paul Singer has--again, only NML's.
Argentina has responded it will meet--without Pollack, a mediator the country has rejected--to negotiate a comprehensive agreement will ALL the holdouts. Comprende now señor?
Oh, and to the others who so generously post insults of varied caliber. You only debase yourselves, especially when hiding behind a pen name, and erode your own credibility. Readers would love to see you use some arguments--if you have any of course.
NML won the case and deserves to be paid regardless of what the other holdouts do.
Feb 21st, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has no right to “reject” the mediator.
You'd think fleeing to and living so long in a civilized country you'd know how courts work.
“The bondholders representing 92.4 per cent of the Argentina debt have nothing to do.”
Feb 21st, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.
It is now time for them to invoke the accelleration clause in the defaulted haircut bonds that they accepted and demand the $14 billion U.S. that they are now due.
#23. The wine industry there is not going well at all. Did the government follow through with their promise?:
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://supercampo.perfil.com/2015/01/vinos-ante-un-mercado-interno-saturado-cristina-firmo-convenios-con-el-sector/
I read about another protest in Mendoza recently, the growers need help.
Seems help is not happening.
Argentine protests depress me, what do these protests do?
@28
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Judge Griesa, mediator Pollack, hedge funds NLM and all other holdouts have already long agreed, that negotiations for all holdouts apply. So Minister Kicillof, look no further excuses, but begin at last after 13 years (!!!) to negotiate and pay the debt back to the holdouts!
(47)
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NEIN!
A liter of AVERAGE Argentine red wine sells for $2.64 pesos. That bottle costs $4.50 pesos to produce. How much is a peso?
Feb 21st, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.wine-searcher.com/m/2015/01/wine-crisis-leads-to-protests-in-argentina
Broken financial promises.....again.......
49 Cpmmonsparrow
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0that's really odd - Nostrils never mentioned this ... !
49. Maybe they can make up the loss with volume :)
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0#49 How much is a peso? Good question.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is a dollar
No it's 80cents
No 50 cents
No 20 cents
No 10 cents
Again, Argentina will negotiate with all the holdouts. Not with Paul Singer and NML Capital alone and not with Pollack as mediator. This is sovereign debt--not Juan de los Palotes' for heaven's sake. Many Argentines may not approve everything the government does, but are glad that our country is--finally--taking a firm stand against greedy foreign corporations.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0And then Enrique woke up!
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@53 How do you know? Do you have direct access to the CFK?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine government lost their case and the only negotiation outstanding is how and when they will pay. TTT may be right that they do not intend to honour the contract, the jurisdiction they signed up to or the court ruling. But there will be consequences for that. It won't be CFK and her band of crooks that suffer, it will be the Argentine people.
@53
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...taking a firm stand against greedy foreign corporations.”
Yeah right, the people who invested in your country and you stole from are greedy corporations? That is why nobody should ever invest in “your” country. (You are obviously not Canadian, regardless of your attempts to infiltrate that nation's power structure.) I am not referring to Singer, of course, his involvement is a direct result of your robbing the 90%+ of honest investors. Just recompense, I'd say. Your support of the destruction of the agriculture and automobile manufacturing and medical sectors, not to mention the demolition of the rule of law reveals you to be a hard core Peronist, and yeah, you can say I am insulting you. I'd advise you to stop running for office, Peronism will never fly in an educated, civilized country like Canada.
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Tell us oh wise Enrique whats the legal description under NY Law of Argentina's sovereign bonds and every other bond?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dufus.
#53 Enrique are these your “points of the day” or did you take this position after reading Kissitoff in the Herald? How greedy are corporations when they put RG's to work? More so how greedy were they when Argentina come begging for money and Argentina recieved the money only to not pay it back?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fast forward ten years.........Argentina: Argentina will not give up her sovereignty to give money to these “Chinese sharks”. Or will you use “Vultures” again? I suggest sharks because the Chin will eat you ass alive.
Reeky Rhetoric. This is an interesting case in the troll continuum. First we are plagued by illiterate but somewhat interesting K street trash. Now we have a semi literate schill who is sublimely ignorant of the affairs of rotting roadkill.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43. Oh we understand, thicko. Negotiating with 'all' the holdouts would undermine Griesa. However, he's moving to negate that tactic. He has given the 'me too' holdouts a date by which to associate themselves with his judgement. Once that's done, argieland will have yet another trick foiled.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't you supposed to be a journalist? Seem to be more like a Quebracho with a flat cap to me. First lesson for a journalist. Research! I see Rolf Nusspaumer doesn't think much of you. January 20, 2015 and he said ' This is a regular fat, not as the La Campora, old chupapija gentelmen! ' Got you pegged. But then you have various argie diseases. First, you lie. Next, you evade. Next, you reside somewhere other than argieland. Why don't you follow Mr Nusspaumer's advice of 8 February 2015 'If you are so home-sick, why shit does not return to paradise Kirchner, old hypocrite?' Where in Canada do you hide?
@53. Incidentally, it's NOT a sovereign debt. Argieland gave up 'sovereignty' in relation to these bonds. It's a straightforward contractual matter. Argieland is a crook being brought to account. I won't say 'justice' for two reasons. Firstly, being an argie, you wouldn't understand the meaning of the word. Second, because no member of the argie 'government' would have the honour or guts to surrender themselves to the 50 year prison terms that their crimes would justify.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1770125-axel-kicillof-pollack-esta-con-los-buitres-si-se-saca-el-saco-se-le-ven-las-plumitas
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel Kicillof: “Pollack está con los buitres, si se saca el saco se le ven las plumitas”
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Incredible, personal insults. How long can judge Griesa put up with this? How reacts Griesa?
Coming soon the “international arrest warrant”?
Reeky, you may wish to remain silent as it is better to be thought a fool than confirm it for all present.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, he's quite a prolific polemicist for the Kleptocracy. And living in Canada to boot? How funny is that?
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
Reality, again, is the Argentine government won't give up to speculative financiers trying to extort large profits from Argentina, as they have done before with some of the poorest countries in the world.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be clear, vultures buy junk bonds for pennies on the dollar when countries are down to their knees as Argentina was after its 2002 default. As soon as those countries start recovering, vultures sue to get 100 per cent of the bonds' face value. They never invest a single dollar to help any country.
Now that the RUFO clause has expired, Argentina seeks comprehensive negotiation with ALL the bondholders that did not enter the restructuring agreements of 2005 and 2010. (The holdouts who represent 7.6 per cent of the total debt including the vultures).
This background information is to the intention of the general reader--not to that of Singer's old wives chorus who keep lamenting here and sticking to the “pay up deadbeats” mantra.
They don't give a rat's arse about Argentina and its people's well being--they just want the country down to its knees again, and show little understanding of the new realities. They rave, they insult to compensate for their lack of arguments.
Hey, living in Canada won't prevent me a bit from enjoying seeing my home country standing firm against the assaults of the greedy and powerful, parasites of the world's financial system.
rotting roadkill (and the rotting roadkillians) won't prosper from breaching the contracts to which they have previously set their seal.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@64
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vultures, vultures, vultures....
Hede Fonds are only 1% of the 7% Holdouts...
And anyway. ARGENTINA RECEIVED 100%, AND SO IT SHOULD REPAY TO THE HOLDOUTS 100% + INTEREST, AS DEFINED IN THE BOND CONTRACTS.
Singer, et al may or may not ever collect a single cent dirtectly from the treasury of rotting roadkill. (They may have to attach/foreclose/liquidate assets associated with the rotting roadkill regime where ever they may be found.) The actions of the rotting roadkill government however have inflicted billions of dollars of damage to rotting roadkill's ecomony and have subjected the rotting roadkillians to a lot of suffering (which isn't over yet).
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be assured of this: Singer can deny the rotting roadkillians access to actual capital markets on an ongoing basis. (rotting roadkill can still get store credits for inferior chinese technology - for the time being.)
Reap it.
@64 Do you spend a lot of time in Argentina? You don't seem to be in touch with what is happening there. The K's policies have brought the country to its knees without any outside help. The Argentine people are already suffering and it has nothing whatsoever to do with Singer.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you even aware of the corruption endemic in the K's government and how much they have stolen from the Argentine people?
Enrique when was the last time you were in argentina to see first hand the state of internal affairs there....or to have a feel of what the working people actually think? When was it? We are waiting for your answer.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill has defaulted on its sovereign debt eight (8) times.
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This from a country located on a continent where the vast majority of all sovereign debt defaults have occurred.
From an underwriting perspective the risks associated with the failure of the rule of law in these countries is so extreme that the market won't participate in bonds made under their local jurisdiction.
If rotting roadkill chooses not to abide by the laws to which they have previously made theirself subject to - then their future participation in these markets is forfeit. It just this simple. Play by the rules or find another game to play.
rotting roadkill: If you think that you can survive in a capital market populated only by Cuba, Venzeula, China and Russia - reap it.
@64
Feb 22nd, 2015 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are a shill for a criminal enterprise. Not an insult, just pointing out the truth.
“Shill - to talk about or describe someone or something in a favorable way because you are being paid to do it.”
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Under various international conventions and national laws - if paid by an ongoing criminal enterprise and if the duties are in the furtherence of its goals and if the participant performs them with the foregoing knowledge - one could be a co-conspirator. Off the top of my head - obstruction of justice, racketeering, money laundering and fraud are obvious crimes and I don't think that it's too much of a reach to envision that such acts could even rise to the level of treason (against the primary nation). Perhaps even espionage against certain foreign countries (that have been victims of said enterprise) could be asserted.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0No matter. The sweet times when foreign financiers and domestic associates reaped millions in commissions and profits by lending money to Argentina are over. You guys need to understand that a government that is at the service of its country will look at the domestic interests first and the rest comes after that.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 069 Cptn Poppy:
I am sufficiently informed. In fact, I am not creating thoughts out of thin air. My evaluations are those of a good portion of the Argentine population--if you are even barely informed you will know that unanimity in Argentina is rare.
68 Elaine:
Argentina is far from being on its knees--in fact is exponentially better than it was in 2002. Today's debt represents a fraction of the annual GDP and not over 100 per cent as it was then, and many other economic indicators point in the same direction.
As per the judiciary, it is independent of the executive. We all would like to have more progress in government personalities corruption processes, as well as the AMIA investigation and that of Papel Prensa, which has been going nowhere for years.
71 imoyaro:
Look at 64, two last paras.
Enrique, you did not answer my question. When was the last time you where there? I am there twice a year and my wife's family still lives there. Working middle class, physicians, lawyers managers.....they know more than I what the pulse is and it is not good. So when was your last time in Argentina? I am not judging you from being out of the country. At least you have the conviction not to hide the fact that you are as the other Argentine posters here.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@73
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't change a thing, you are still a shill, and for the people who have brought Argentina to its knees. If it wasn't for the Kleptocrats, the “vulture funds” would not exist as a news item.
Must be embarassing to have rotting roadkill's transgressions rubbed in your face at every turn.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wait.
rotting roadkillian's don't have honor and hence no pride and thus shame is unknown to them.
Its shocking that Enrique is so misinformed.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never in the history of the country been more in debt by any way you want to compute it, total amount or as a % GDP.
Also they have the largest current account deficit they ever had.
Either Enrique's is deliberately obtuse or he's flat out lying.
My guess he's a fithly liar.
Like every K.
Corrupted filthy liar. Like the sistahs.
@73
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, Enrique, maybe you should take a look at this op-ed piece from the “pro Kirchner” Buenos Aires Herald. I don't think the guy is wrong.
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/182591/lost-in-a-fantasy-land-
78 Great article !!
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, Enrique - part of the fantasy!
Pay or whither. Just about the same entertainment value from either scenario.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's 2015, and so it begins. Wonder what our resident self-styled “intellectual juggernaut” and renowned carbecue chef has to say about this... ;)
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/182669/ucr-claims-crushing-victory-in-mendoza
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/182669/ucr-claims-crushing-victory-in-mendoza
The supposed masters of obfuscation once again try to out maneuver Singer. And once again fail.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it wasn't for lack of trying, since the “FpV managed to increase the flow of voters in a city that has been claimed a historic “bastion” of the UCR.” Gee, even flooding the polls with motochorros didn't work? Uh oh... ;)
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
“Today's debt represents a fraction of the annual GDP and not over 100 per cent as it was then”
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hate to disappoint, but Enrique is actually correct.
According to the IMF (& Eurosat & CIA), Argentina's sovereign debt as a percentage of GDP (which is really the only real number that matters; other than possibly what percentage is held domestically by private institutions) has fallen from about 160+% in 2002/3 to about 45% today; or in other words decreased by about three-quarters. Total debt is of course irrelevant when comparing countries.
Now much (actually most) of that black ink was a result of the default and subsequent write-downs, as shown by the fact that about 70% of that balance-sheet decrease came instantaneously after the bond restructuring; and not through any sudden miracle revamping of the economy.
(A smaller portion of it came at the expense of their reserves, it should be added for clarity).
I believe that what is most frustrating for the creditors is that Argentina can actually afford to pay it's obligations; it just doesn't want to.
Derke
“I believe that what is most frustrating for the creditors is that Argentina can actually afford to pay it's obligations; it just doesn't want to.”
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bingo!
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsamu9towd.gif
78 imoyaro
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Point well made. The Lost in a fantasy land's op-ed piece by James Neilson contains several points I agree with. The government's public relations since the Nisman crisis has been badly conducted, or rather it seems there hasn't been any conduction at all.
#81 imoyaro
UCR claims crushing victory:
Hey, that's democracy at play! Far from me to say the FpV must win at every turn. I am very happy every time elections happen in Argentina even if my favourite doesn't win.
But I would rather see the electors busy determining who should be in charge for the next period than seeing people (duly) concerned by an Agatha Christie-style How- the-Prosecutor-Died mystery plot.
I do question members of the un-elected judiciary slinging ridiculous accusations that will last the time of the election campaign.
It was nothing short of preposterous for prosecutor Alberto Nisman (and now Pollicita) to accuse Cristina of plotting to derail the AMIA investigation on which Nisman had spent 10 years with abundant means and zilt progress. Even if Cristina were to admit such a plan, she cannot be held responsible for planning something she is unable to achieve: the AMIA investigation is the realm of the judiciary, and as it has been clearly demonstrated, she can't control that third power.
77 yankeeboy:
”Argentina recorded a Government Debt to GDP of 45.60 percent of the country's Gross Domestic Product in 2013 (and) reached an all time high of 166 Percent in 2002.”
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/argentina/government-debt-to-gdp
Axel, as usual kicking the can down the road. But can he keep kicking it till the elections??
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0@86= pagotroll
So Enrique you want us to believe K reported GDP/debt figures that have been denounced as widely innacurate fby the imf.?
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry I'm not as stupid as you are.
Its estimated debt to GDP is 225%. For gosh sakes they ended last year with a 6%+ deficit!!
You're just a filthy liar like the Sistahs.
Must be in the blood.
And I'm thinking your one of them.
Argentina’s economy continues to struggle; recent data point to another drop in economic activity in Q4 following the contraction recorded in Q3. Monthly economic activity was weak in October and November and industrial production and exports fell again in December. Meanwhile, in mid-January, Argentina received USD 400 million in the fourth installment of the USD 11 billion currency swap signed with China last year. China’s financial support, along with capital controls and negotiations with exporters, made it possible for the Central Bank to maintain its reserves above USD 31 billion in early 2015. With increased reserves, Argentina has no urgent need to access international financial markets, so a debt resolution with the holdouts is not likely to come any time soon. Argentina is becoming increasingly dependent upon China; on top of the currency swap, the countries signed a series of investment projects and trade agreements in Beijing in early February.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, Large macroeconomic imbalances, combined with the government’s unwillingness to make policy adjustments and a deteriorating external environment, suggest that the recession is going to continue this year. Panelists expect the economy to contract in 2015, although they did revise their projections up slightly from last month and now see the economy declining 0.2% this year. Panelists see Argentina’s economy recovering in 2016 with a 2.3% expansion. And we will continue to expose Argentina for what they are.
89. In a far away, long ago kingdom, Cinderella is living happily with her mother and father until her mother dies. Cinderella's father remarries a cold, cruel woman who has two daughters, Drizella and Anastasia. When the father dies, Cinderella's wicked stepmother turns her into a virtual servant in her own house. Meanwhile, across town in the castle, the King determines that his son the Prince should find a suitable bride and provide him with a required number of grandchildren. So the King invites every eligible maiden in the kingdom to a fancy dress ball, where his son will be able to choose his bride. Cinderella has no suitable party dress for a ball, but her friends the mice, led by Jaques and Gus, and the birds lend a hand in making her one, a dress the evil stepsisters immediately tear apart on the evening of the ball. At this point, enter the Fairy Godmother, the pumpkin carriage, the royal ball, the stroke of midnight, the glass slipper, and . . . . . . . . . .
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86 Enrique
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ONLY problem with your link is that the source. “Trading Economics” references the MOE, Government of Argentina (if you look at the bottom of the chart); which has a well-earned reputation for not being altogether credible as far as reporting accurate figures. A better source is the IMF or CIA, both whom do independent research and their own tabulations. But, good for you, their numbers are (very much) the same in this instance (so I just wasted your time; sorry).
CIA
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
IMF
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
Derke
Goofball IMF gets their numbers from Argentina. They don't have indepedant audits as required since 2007.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CIA gets their firgues from the IMF.
Nobody has had accurate figures from Argentina since the narcoKs have taken over
Gads you're pretty good at disinformation too.
92. mercopress has re- trolled.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 093. Yep
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0New names same stupid Ks
@ Yankeeboy
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ chronic
@ Enrique
- YOU are the one that referenced the IMF (@88); not me; and then state that their numbers are no good (@92). Was your “estimated debt to GDP is 225%” (@88) extracted from a reliable source then? Please send me the link and I will be forever humbled.
- The IMF still requires (Article IV) member states to submit to external audits and comply with recommendations, of which Argentina has not complied since 2007. Currently they are under review. Are their numbers off by 500%, as implied by your 225% number? I doubt it.
http://www.imf.org/external/country/arg/index.htm
- I'll have to take your word that the CIA World Fackbook uses the IMF numbers; even though, strangely, the numbers aren't the same?
http://www.imf.org/external/country/arg/index.htm
and the CIA don't list the IMF as the source (the numbers are always listed separately on source material)
http://www.imf.org/external/country/arg/index.htm
Much to my chagrin, I am not connected at the CIA.
@93
You couldn't be more wrong.
As you can see from every single post I have ever made, I deal in facts only, not speculation, and NEVER insults. Period.
Additionally in my defense, I use my own name, I post where I live (West Vancouver), my email address many times, and have a standing offer to meet ANYONE/ANYTIME from these boards for a coffee or a pint if they are ever in Vancouver. UNLIKE other posters on here, I don't practise keyboard courage, as I have nothing to hide, period.
I suspect there are many Walter Mitty, Tobi-types posting on here from both sides.
And please don't confuse informed and honesty with “smarmy”, as other people have.
Now really, I have a kayak to get into the water.
Have a good day all.
Derke
The point is there are no reliable numbers out of Argentina since the narKos took over.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They may well be off 500%
Who knows?
Cetrianly not you.
The 225% number I use comes from Argentina newspapers.
I'm on my phone traveling for a week so when I get back I'll find the source.
I've posted long enough and I am rarely wrong as most people here will attest to.
You're twisted 1/2 truths are far from an honest assessment of this rogue state.
Clearly you have an agenda like the sistahs.
Funny you pop up when they go silent.
Funny
Check out the new 50 pesos note http://www.infobae.com/2015/02/23/1628694-el-nuevo-billete-50-las-islas-malvinas-circulara-marzo
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will get the sheep shaggers wound up!
But relax, just like the Evita it is another lame excuse to print money.
Funny. The perronista fleas have left rotting roadkill. Imagine that.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@96
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very lame.
I was right. Ho hum. Next please..
@97
It's the closest they'll ever get to possessing the islands, so let them have it. What is more bizarre is the back of the new bill (same as the old one, actually), which displays a gallant murderer on a horse; whom even staunch Malvinists like Destefani (Argentine historian/naval officer) acknowledge was just a criminal out for himself. Revisionism strikes again!
Methinks Stevie is using another nick.
Feb 23rd, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gads how tiresome.
These people never learn.
Who cares one iota about the post liquidation condition of rotting roadkill? For humor's sake though consider another metric in measuring the won decade. For instance, the actual capitalization/reserve in the ANSES accounts as measured in gold equivalents. Or personal savings as measured in gold. The decade was paid for by robbing investors, taxpayers and victims of hyperinflation. These trends vector poorly for the rotting roadkillians in the pending neocolonial/medieval serfdom/post Singer era. lol. Reap it.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I just read Argentina missed an opportunity to respond to the contempt charge?
Feb 24th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's odd
I guess even the NarKos realize there wasn't much of an appeal.
U$50k/day fine I hear.
Waiting for the squealing to begin...
I wonder who will pick up that tab.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The next government of Argentina.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hear the supermarket owners laughter at the 15% inflation prediction for this year.
And warned that bare sheveles will start happening soon if they can't import.
I can't wait.
I really hope looking like Caracas is only a step to something worse. LaPaz maybe?
#95 DerkeBlake
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't practise keyboard courage.”
Very refreshing to read your statements. I a few lines you have managed to say it all about posting with honesty and standing behind it.
I'll keep in mind your offer when I get to cross the Rockies from Alberta.
Shouldn't be too long before nml is able to seize the reserves!
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will laugh and laugh
The clock is ticking.
Feb 24th, 2015 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/182812/economy-ministry-says-contempt-appeal-deadline-is-due-on-thursday
@105 Enrique
Feb 24th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looking forward to it. The Troller Pub in Horseshoe Bay is my home base.
You and I are obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum, both politically and particularly (especially) concerning the Falklands. However I assume that we both believe in democracy (maybe not?), civil discourse and respect, and basic human rights; and the integrity that comes with not courageously typing-out verbal hand grenades and then running behind the anonymity of a internet connection.
Now sit back and wait for the juvenile responses from the peanut gallery. They'll come.
Case in point: #115 onwards
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/19/despite-pouring-rain-thousands-turned-out-in-buenos-aires-demanding-justice-and-honoring-nisman
Smarmingly yours,
Derke
Derke:
Feb 25th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing I appreciate more than a civil discussion with someone with different, even opposing, ideas. We don't learn much from those who think alike, so I am sure we would both enjoy a pint at the Troller Pub.
I read posts 105 and the rest, and enjoyed your sensible response to the forum's Pinko-eater, yb.
Smarmingly yours too,
Enrique
Ah how sweet.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Disgusting liberal no nothings supporting each other.
Just like the sistahs
One would think you're related.
Let's talk about Argentina having 20% less exports in Jan
That makes everyone happy
Except Rgs
German courts line up against rotting roadkill and YES, bond payments are in default since 2002! Interest on the defaulted payments! How sweet it is.
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@110 Yankeeboy
Feb 25th, 2015 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for proving me right once again; peanut gallery. Saves me typing.
You serious want to challenge me again; still waiting for the 225% debt to GDP reference. It`ll never come.
Or do you want me to post links to the multiple times (eight+) you stated that the blue would be at 18-20/1 by now.
Quit while you're behind. You're always wrong.
It starts with a C and rhymes with Howard.
Go hide behind your Pen name. You're the US version of Tobi.
Just a WalterMitty.
Living in Mom's basement, I expect.
Come to Vancouver. Glad to show you my house.
That's the closest I'll ever come to insulting anyone on here.
Congratulations.
Derke
112
Feb 25th, 2015 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst I revel in any contention that involves Fred Bates aka Yankeeboy....
You apparently make a big issue of not hiding behind a pen name...
....yet curiously when I type a search into google of what you claim is your real name, for the area you claim is your home base ...I get zilch....in fact if I widen the search to Canada...I still get zilch.....
The only hits I get pertain to this site....
...please explain....
Voice...
112 Derke
Feb 25th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see our creepy Internet stalker @113 is checking out your identity.
Show me your Drivers Licence tomorrow and I'll show you mine - oops, that sounds dirty!
@114
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is precisely why I have warned others in here to keep their personal details to a minimum. Some chatters of a certain faction have indicated by their posts that they are trying to amass personal details of opponents of government policy in here. As a gentleman from Chile has pointed out, while the armed forces are truly a joke, Argentina has always maintained a robust intelligence network. Current shakeups notwithstanding, I suspect they still do. ;)
Mmmmm I just did an internet search on my name and all I came up is is a doctor. And while I fixed things in my past, I am sure as shit not a doctor. Holy shit, that must mean I do not exist because the internet can't find me!!
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@113 Voice/Stalker
Feb 25th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are factually incorrect. And do you actually think that I would aid you in your stalking? I have been dutifully warned about your infatuations previously. As I have NEVER seen an informative or even moderately insightful post from you in history (unlike Mr. Mascot or El Think) , please be advised that this is the first and last time I will ever acknowledge your presence. I find you very creepy. Offense intended.
@114 Troy
Thanks for the heads up. I feel bad for the hundreds of fellow Blakes he's going to be calling in the BC cellular directory. Thank heaven I'm originally from..........
You'd think he'd be better at this stalker hobby.
But, as I said, my pub is always open.
117 Derke
Feb 25th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's great.
The OR is fully booked in the morning, and I'm not going to my practice tomorrow, so the original time works well.
See you then.
@115 imoyaro
Feb 25th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You of course are 100% correct. It is best to remain anonymous on these forms and I am all for that; I sincerely apologize if I have given the impression that I lord that over anyone. That was not and is certainly not my intention. I will attempt to expel it from my repertoire.
The only small caveat (okay, excuse) that I will add to that is that I find it personally distasteful when an anonymous poster makes very vicious personal attacks (to the point of saying said poster should have been killed in the 70's) to an “open” poster, whom as far as I have seen as never engaged in personal attacks (but I have only been reading here for about a year). That is much more than uncalled for; it is cowardly.
MP is the only site I have ever posted on in my life (I am a social media luddite in every sense) but from what I can gather, on such forms, proper etiquette dictates that as far as debate goes, anonymity must assume equal economic and social status for all. As such, discourse should be limited to backed-up facts and personal opinion, with a LIMITED amount of anecdotal evidence, as such can never be independently verified. I get disgusted by the braggarts that use the hammer of their current economic status (which we all know is probably mythical anyways) in such exchanges, but are ensured that they will never have to show-up or put-up. It's just white noise to me. You forfeit that hammer when you remain anonymous; which is a small price to pay.
As much as I am disgusted by 99% of what Tobi posts; at least he doesn't pretend that he's someone he isn't. Perhaps his only admirable quality that I have witnessed thus far; as he certainly has the ability to manufacture a fake persona like many on here (I suspect).
My apologies for going on; I do have a problem with conciseness.
@116 Capt Poppy
Holy crap. Good for you! I don't think you have to pay taxes now. Sweet!
@118 Troy
See you tomorrow.
Cheers,
Stevie ....... ah shoot .... I mean Derke
@119
Feb 25th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No problem, Derke. By way of explanation, I always confront Chopper (AKA Tobi) with statements extrapolated from his own words. His fondness for beheadings, car burnings, the claim that he is from Mendoza, his obvious ignorance of and false statements about Argentine history all go into that. His posts claiming to be an “intellectual juggernaut” who is part of a “Noetic Vanguard” also provide more humor to the situation. Finally, an informative poster in here once stated that “TTT couldn't talk somebody out of a burning car.” At the time I had never seen the idiom, and found it hilarious. But after thinking about it a minute, it all became crystal clear, that Chopper molotovs cars in order to see if he can, blade in hand, coax test subjects out to where he can give them the chop as a form of Philosophical experiment in “Free Will.” Since he has stated he hates women, females are the preferred material for his inquiries. Sick? You betcha, but then I have a dark sense of humor. (Think Ambrose Bierce with his “Devil's Dictionary” and “Fantastic Fables.”) Anyway, he's one troll I always troll, and he is convinced that I am Paraguayan in spite of my stated love of snow and winter sports, so I must be doing something right. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
@120 imoyaro
Feb 25th, 2015 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now THERE'S an excellent, well-thought out, insightful post. Give some tutorials to others on here, would you please (I'll sign up)?
Kudos and have a good one,
Derke
117
Feb 25th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah I thought so...full of sh!t.....
When you first posted you said you hailed from the other side of Canada....Toronto area....then it changed to the West...I forget nothing...
In fact you coincidently appeared right after I mentioned there were no Canadians on this site using Canadian spellings...then you appeared using them.....;-)))
Derke Blake doesn't exist....anywhere in Canada and never has.....puppet....
...and you have the cheek to call YB....geez.....
116
Pops I am not particularly well known yet I did a search on myself and found myself in two locations in the States and five in the UK....
@122 Voice
Feb 25th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll break my vow at #117 just this once.
I DO hail from the other side of Canada (Sarnia, Toronto, Calgary and finally Vancouver in 1987; been here since); as almost everyone in Vancouver over 30 comes from somewhere else. I don't use Canadian spellings, I use spellings. Period.
If you don't I exist, then why don't you ask Troy tomorrow afternoon. Or Mr. Massot when he visits me here or I visit him in Calgary.
I still have an open invitation to ANYONE for a pint at the Troller Pub in Horseshoe Bay (just send me an email); you can tell I'm there if there's a black SUV in the parking lot with “Keep the Falklands British” in the back window.
Can you say the same.
Troy warned me instantly about you being a stalker and fishing for all kinds of personal information but offering none of your own. Imoyaro is also right.
Here's a pointer: For $380.00 the Provincial Land Registry of BC will do a title search for you. Stalking correctly can be expensive.
Creepy, creepy, creepy.
I'm NOW officially finished with you.
Derke
Derke
123 Derke
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't find me when I google, either, and I've been in and out of this province since 1987, too.
“Voice” will tell you I'm just a puppet.
Oh, yeah, I am !!
“ Phones, arm Sting missiles... ”
123
Feb 25th, 2015 - 11:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah we've heard it all before from the super puppet Troy Tempest meeting folk...yet we've seen no evidence of it, you are probably another of his puppets....
FYI the only reason I fed your supposed name into the great oracle was the condescending way that you attempted to belittle YB for using a pen name....and low and behold what comes up...nothing....
I like to know when or if I'm being had....who is a puppet and who is genuine....
....and btw I have proved exactly where I am several times with time specific photographs instead of meaningless generalisations....
...post a picture of your local rag showing the date and with the Troller Pub in the background...and prove me wrong....
...and stop boring me with how distasteful you find other posters verbal attacks, if it affects your delicate sensibilities find another forum or simply don't read them....
Who are you ...the distaste police...?
125
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who are YOU ???!!
Oh, right, “ ....i'm just ... a_voice... ”
Do you remember your meekly subdued response... ?
I do. And I laugh when I think about it.
I am just a voice...but at least I'm not a puppet like you....
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0...do you ever get sick of sucking up to other posters....wannabe....
Looks like the SI budget hasn't been cut enough yet. Interesting that he's operating in the US. ;)
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
127
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0How humiliating for you.
You, who thrives on one-upmanship!!
Chuckle :-D
Voice I am nowhere on the internet.....why is that? I have one credit card.......but no social media accounts...can that be it?
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not sure why you seem to challenge Troy as a “sock puppet” because he has divulged more of himself in non esoteric ways as you have. The same logic you apply to Troy or anyone else can be applied to yourself....no?
Dunno Pops...you should be on the Electoral register, I got mine from the property tax info in the US. I put my name in and two addresses came up and I'm not even on the Electoral register there.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The photo's I posted the other day don't lie and can be easily verified by the ship's schedule it's owned by a Scottish Trust...
I am where I say I am and unless Mr Think lives in the same place...I'm no puppet...
Everyone has camera phones and has access to post Pics it's a simple way to prove location, including something time specific.
Skip did it with the museum ticket....he was where he said he was....
If people like to make a big deal of claiming they are in a specific place...then prove it or don't try to use it to appear genuine....
People checks cost buttons Pops...believe me, you are on the internet..a name and a rough location is all it takes...
Nobody is interested in the folk who post here despite what the paranoid crew state...I just don't like being had....
131 just a_voice
Feb 26th, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Nobody is interested in the folk who post here despite what the paranoid crew state...I just don't like being had.... ”
which begs the question, “why doesn't a_voice challenge Think, or Stevie, Vestige, Marcos, Dany Berger, where they are from?”
I expect he already knows, or has no issue with their statements or ideologies. and has no desire to persecute them like does the pro-Falklands posters.
We may not know where a_voice lives, but we know which side of the loch he is from.
@132
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“why doesn't a_voice challenge Think, or Stevie, Vestige, Marcos, Dany Berger, where they are from?”
Drink's another one that has demonstrated he keeps track of people's personal info, I'm sure he works for the same group. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
Electoral register....you think I am a Brit like you? I think you may need to google a little more how things work here in the states with 50 of them. There is not national registry.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The photo's I posted the other day don't lie and can be easily verified by the ship's schedule it's owned by a Scottish Trust...”
That proofs nothing, nothing at all. Though I do not doubt your location in Europe. If I get a chance this weekend I will send you an undeniable photo.....snow and all......dated as well. When you see it......perhaps you will be able to do the same type of photo.
“People checks cost buttons Pops” I am dumb today, what does that mean?
Oh and I can find myself in the Massachusetts voters database, but only by going into that specific area and completing the necessary fields..........Yup, I am there.....unenrolled.
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/index.htm
In case you want want to look in there for me, I am in a few locations. Massachusetts is fairly tight-assed about privacy.
What...?
Feb 26th, 2015 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Inform yourself Pops...
“Electoral rolls, or poll books, have been used in the United States since the founding to determine voting eligibility. Modern poll books are a list of registered voters with eligibility to participate in an election. In the United States, the roll is usually managed by a local entity such as a county or parish. However, the data used for electoral rolls may be provided by state wide sources. While traditional poll books are printed voter rolls, more recently electronic pollbooks have come into favor. Computerized electoral rolls allow for larger numbers of voters to be handled easily and allows for more flexibility in poll locations and the electoral process.”
Where have you been hiding Pops...data is collected on folk continuously even supermarkets points cards gather info and sell it to people check companies....
...for example it's as easy as this.....
http://www.officialusarecords.com/results_new.php?fname_req=fred&lname_req=bates&state_req=DC&type=background
....funny though...;-))
134 Capt. Poppy
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had a nice 'lunch' with Derke Blake today - yep, thats his real name - says so on his licence.
Better yet, he was buying! He had Guinness, while I had Stella on tap.
Great photos of the Rose pub. Lisa Watson's boyfriend was there, and other locals we know.
Derke gave me some wonderful “British to the Core” window signs for my front windows on Canada Day. Best thing was a keychain with aluminium scraps from the carcass of a downed Argie Chinook!!
We had a good chuckle over Voice and Think's ealier attempted subterfuges, and phony Sock puppets, but mostly talked about life on the Islands.
Don't send weiny a_voice any photos. I told Derke how he is obsessed with grubbing for other people's personal info. He will sit for hours masturbating in front of the screen while chases images.
Cheers,
Troy
Where's ya proof ya liar...post ya pics....or shut it with ya fabrications.....
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0137 just a_voice
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, dear, such anger and frustration!
Who cares what YOU think.
:-D
haha.....you obviously....;-))))
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@139
Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0ha ha, just a_voice
flail away...
Cheerio !!
SI wants pics of you, Troy, you should be honored. ;)
Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
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Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0He can't stand being left out :-)
So that is our government database voice....really? A dot com And not dot gov? Really voice.....I expected more from you. I send you a link to the Secretary of State of Massachusetts and you send me some private data miner? By the way......my addresses that came up for me there are old.......like 5 years old.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“private data miner”
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tools of the trade. Especially when you are operating on a shoestring. Besides, he may not want to risk connecting to a .gov site in the US, NSA being what it is and all. ;)
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Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0a_voice lies so much, he thinks everybody else does, too!
He doesn't believe anything anyone says.
I bet even if Enrique told voice he met Derke, he wouldn't believe that either!
Right, Voicey????
LOL !!
Well he can rest assured I am living in Paraguay in below 0C temperatures. That ought to make interesting reading back at HQ. ;)
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
For goodness sake Pops.....what is wrong with you...?
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You asked me what People Check companies were and I sent you a sample of one...
...geez....
..I'm giving up on you....fraternising with the sites puppets too much....
...just because they tell you stuff doesn't mean you have to believe their crap.....
Not one of them has posted a time specific photo or anything to verify their fiction.
The only people that have done that is Skip and myself.....go figure....
Tell you what Pops..pick a location in the Holy Loch area...and I'll take a photo of it with the local rag showing the date...the local rag comes out on a Friday.....
Let's exchange photos. For analysis. You know...
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too much. ;)
http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
I have no doubts of where you. What made you ghin km I did? I have a pic coming just for you voicy.......so you know just where I am at.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've never doubted you have I Pops....you don't have to prove anything to me....
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know who the Walter Mitty's are......
As do I as well as who are the Americans and wannabes.....and the ones with multiple SN's. I will also say your suspicions on Troy are wrong without going into details.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I posted a dated picture of me standing in snow holding a couple of potted golden globe cactii, would you believe I was at the the secret Paraguayan base in “Argentine” Antarctica? Didn't think so. ;)
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
I had to really look at your 135 post Voice. It read different so after a little research......yup....Wikipedia cut and paste:
Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_roll#United_States
In the USA, election control laws are set and determined by each state....and that means 50 laws abiding under one general umbrella law of the feds. here is no ONE BIG REGISTRY that the feds have where John Q. Public can look up. In fact, the public access to election registry laws is determined by each state and some are.....some are not. Massachusetts the records are held in each town or city, there is no longer a county government and only Louisiana has a parish. If you ever make New Orleans make sure to eat at the Sistas Couryard. Oops.....I mean Sisters Courtyard. .....great place in the evening....but I digress.
When one votes here in Massachusetts, The people who volunteer have a list they check off when you enter and hand you the ballot, when you leave....same thing. So, the original point of what I was saying is there “is no big book of electoral poll records” that the public can access. There even in state that restrict access it is all available to political parties.
As for my original statement voice, you, in this case me, I cannot enter my name in a search engine......Google lets say , and return hits on me. Yes......a private data miner can find me for a fee. Birth records......marriage licenses (all of them), vehicle registration et al. But my original statement stands, you can't Google me.
You missed crediting wikipedia with your quote. The internet is like a garbage dump Voice, one can literally find anything......and most usually is garbage.
Ouch.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
Good catch Capt.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voicey is not that he tries to make himself out to be... again.
Humiliated... again.
:-)
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Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The thing I find disturbing about this particular troll is that he is persistently trying to get personal info from Cap. I suspect it is not Cap they are interested in, but rather his extended domestic situation, since that involves people less than enchanted with the current regime within reach of the government. I admit I am a pessimist, but there is nothing about the current situation in Argentina to engender optimism. :(
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Feb 27th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ A_Voice” has been goading other posters for personal information, photos, and proof of where they live, or as long as he has been on MP.
He is very persistent.
All we know about him is that he is 16 stone and has muscles on muscles, if he is to be believed.
Good for the road rage incidents he provokes I suppose.
Well I have an anecdote that might explain my concern. Two decades ago I was a member of a Japanese/American organization run by the Japanese, which I belonged to as I had been studying the language for some years. When I joined I naturally filled out the necessary information on the card. Sometime later they issued a phone directory. To my surprise, the phone number listed for me was an old phone number long disconnected that belonged to my father who had originally bought the house. In short, they had gone through the property records and revealed their snooping by printing it instead of my number. Ever since then I have had no illusions about the lengths even “friendly” foreign governments will go to obtain information on citizens of other countries. In Cap's situation, this strikes me as far more sinister due to the nature of the current regime in Argentina. But enough personal information about me. ;)
Feb 27th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsrpl58kjd.gif
I hear what you are saying Pops...there is no Federal register..the Electoral register exists, but on a local level...
Feb 27th, 2015 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irrelevant nowadays as all these private people check companies gather all the info from all the States on everyone they can and make it available to anyone for a few bucks....
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Who are you calling a Troll...by your own admission you “Troll” ....Tobi
...and posting the same silly pics with almost every post....very Trollish behaviour....what is that all about....jeez...in fact what are you all about.....Do you seriously think any Govt. is interested in a bunch of sad individuals that post uninformed comments about Argentina or South America....
Have a word with yourself and come back down to Earth......Oh my oh my...there's nowt as queer as folk........
you crease me ....you really do......;-)))))))
Nice to see you are watching closely. Just proving my point. ;)
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