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Filmus tours Central America in support of Argentina's Falklands' claim
Argentina's secretary for Issues relative to the Malvinas Islands Daniel Filmus visited this week Guatemala as part of a tour of Central America to promote the 'Malvinas cause' and collect support from regional governments and institutions. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesoooh! Guatemala !!
Feb 26th, 2015 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0That'll clinch the deal then...
arf!
Looks like Feel-Me is getting a tad deperate with his non-sensical 'claims'.
S0, now ' international support ' means more than one tin-pot banana republic tentatively supports a call for dialogue?
Great achievement eh? Senor Filmus?
Nothing has changed.
Distraction.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 06:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0He will get short thrift in El Salvador! Argentine involvement in their civil war was not much appreciated!
Feb 26th, 2015 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0The headline should read: “Argentine government wastes money it hasn't got flogging the same old dead horse.”
Feb 26th, 2015 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Filmus - get a job!
Feb 26th, 2015 - 08:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not all this BS again!
Feb 26th, 2015 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't these idiots got anything constructive to do?
Wasting folk's money on non-starting rubbish.
Wonder if Think or Marcos went along(in an advisory category, of course).
paulcedron wouldn't even be considered as he is such a wanker.
Guatemala, would, they want Belize
Feb 26th, 2015 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt those countries are groaning in dismay that this moron is coming to whinge at them.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0He's really there to negotiate with the drug gangs. The Falklands thing is just a smokescreen. ;)
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b521/imoyaro/chopperlaff_zpsryuikyku.gif
@6
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm loving your work, Isolde.
:-)
Central America has 7 'countries'. None of which amount to much. I assume he won't be popping in to Belize.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would have thought route one would be better if they actually want to achieve their ambition of colonising the Falklands-i.e. the ICJ.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also Filmus should aim to dismantle the aims and objectives of the United Nations Charter to revoke self determination-good luck with that one(heh heh).
And if you want to achieve dialogue with the UK why not ask for it?
However the islanders have to be present, as you cannot bypass the people born on the Falkland Islands.
I'm sure that the new peso note showing Rivero should sway the ICJ......
And when that has failed, watch out MPA because Guatemalan forces will be joining their Argentine comrades to attack you.
gordo fart-blower
Feb 26th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so el salvador will not support argentina, according to you?
LOL
and what can you know, you fatso.
do you understand spanish?
i guess not.
use google translator then, bolsa de pedos.
“La posición de El Salvador sobre las Islas Malvinas es clara, así lo consigna la Cancillería que recoge un comunicado conjunto de ambas naciones suscrito en abril del año pasado entres los cancilleres, Hugo Martínez y Héctor Timerman: ”se reafirmó la tradicional posición de El Salvador en apoyo a los legítimos derechos argentinos”
@13 Paulie, there's a world of difference between saying that they are showing “support of the legitimate rights of Argentina” and actually saying that they support Argentina annexing the Falkland Islands against the wishes of the people who have lived there peacefully for generations.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm unaware of any system where occupying your neighbours against their will is regarded as “legitimate”.
paulcedron - You really are a complete and utter wanker.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Must be rather upsetting if not embarrassing to have to use another countries language, eh? A European language at that. I try to put myself in your situation and imagine myself in the UK having to speak Chinese because we have no language of our own and yeah, not nice. No doubt if that was the case, I'd be an ignorant little wanker like you too. Luckily for me, I wasn't born or raised in Argentina.
The only support Argentina needs is from the ICJ. Unfortunately, you'll never obtain it. We know that, I suspect even you know that and therefore, nothing is likely to change. The Falklands will remain in control of the islanders and you'll remain an angry little Wanker.
Nothing you do or say is going to change that. Unlucky.
porkshite
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ I try to put myself in your situation and imagine myself in the UK having to speak Chinese because we have no language of our own and yeah, not nice. ”
WOT?
you are not too bright, are you?
you, benny, have to speak in english even though you are living in a tiny little islet located in...south america, you wanker.
it is YOU who is speaking an alien language, totally different from the natural languages of the region.
and of course, the whole latin america supports argentina in this matter.
now, it should not be a surprise because the whole world supports argentina.
you are 3rd class colonizers, how the fuck can somebody agree with your claims, eh wanker?
@13 Paul
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ el salvador will not support argentina,”
Support from El Salvador is about as much use as a fart in a hurricane.
If Argentina wants the Falklands rather than using it as an excuse to deflect from its lamentable performance this is the easy way:
1/-Convince the Falkland islanders that Argentina is a great country to belong to, and that if the Islands join Argentina they can have a CT scanner for each islander. Perhaps one of the FEW Argentines that has actually achieved something, like Lionel Messi, could be sent as governor?
2/-Go to the ICJ with evidence (and El Salvador holding your hand) instead of using Argentine bullshit.
3/- Get El Salvador to help you invade the Islands-I'm sure our boys will shit their pants when they hear troops from El Salvador are coming, (but don't forget to pack white y fronts-they'll double up as white flags if you keep them clean, just in case our boys decide to fight back).
Ahhh, paulcedron, the Falkland Stalker... he can think about nothing else, knows he will never have the Islands so is driven to obsessive posting of insults about them. What random unrelated John Hinkley Jr'esque act will he commit to prove his love?
Feb 26th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 017 pete
Feb 26th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“-Convince the Falkland islanders that ...blablabla”
there is nothing to convince the falkland islanders.
they are squatters, they do not have a say about this.
try to imagine this: you have a house and a group of squatters decide to invade it.
the one who has to determine if it is an illegal act or not is the justice, the un in this case.
you lot are the problem.
you lot cannot decide a shite
Pauline....Sooo, pray tell, when has the UNGA issued a statement saying that the Falkland Islanders are illegal squatters, just so we understand your statement above......evidence please. I can find a UNSC resolution which states the Argentine Invasion as illegal and ordering you to leave the islands....strange that as according to you, Argentina own the islands (the whole world supports you), yet your invasion was deemed illegal, please explain that one...
Feb 26th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P.S. Won any awards for your designs yet? You must be a wonderful Architect as you went to a world renowned 'University'.
“try to imagine this: you have a house and a group of squatters decide to invade it.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the one who has to determine if it is an illegal act or not is the justice, the un in this case.”
That sounds awful ! I wouldn't stand for it ! Its an injustice ! So when are the native peoples of South America going to bring their case to the UN?
Orbit...that kind of logic is lost on Pauline.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Always good to see PAULINE LOL sorry paulcedron slapped down every time he graces this forum with his stupidity
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even I support the LEGITIMATE rights of Argentina.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately no LEGITIMATE rights have ever been found.
But I still support them..... just like El Salvador does.
@24, Skip, to (probably mis-)quote Shrek 2:
Feb 26th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They “have the right to remain silent. What [they] lack is the capacity”
Even squatters have rights Paul.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And after a few hundred years squatters tend to gain a few more rights, generally termed possession and we all know that possession is very significant.
@19 Yes Pauly, I am a squatter, I squatted over your mother and crapped on her because looks and smells like a public loo.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will you please stop existing.
as i have said before, you can have a general idea of the human quality of the islanders after reading the posts of brainless f.y., conqueror, fatso, and some others.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they epitomize the personality of the islanders in the most accurate way.
Pauline, tell us what it feels like to be brainwashed? Were you one of the toe rags throwing rocks at Clarkson? Why dont you get a job? Ah, you cant because you live in a shitty country, quelle domage!
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28
Feb 26th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paul, they are telling you what you want to hear, you poor fools can't even see that. Guatemala are actually currently enjoying British week starting 23rd Feb...Yes BRITISH week, tea parties, British music and bands.
Can you tell me when they will be enjoying Argentina week???????
https://www.gov.uk/government/world/guatemala
Sorry Pauline, did I miss your answer to my question @20, I am sure you can answer such a simple question even for a brainwashed lad like you, they must have given you a crib sheet with all the possible answers readily available.....I am waiting.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Feb 26th, 2015 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spanish is a natural language of South America? Isn't it amazing how the same language arose spontaneously on two different continents?
@28 I have had to lower myself to your level as you cannot have an intelligent and adult debate. Stop pretending to be a human being and go away.
Feb 26th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently the rest of south America just laugh at these argy poodles , out walkies for CFK,
Feb 26th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they are a total and utter joke,
mind you paulcedron would invite them in for coca,
lol
@33
Feb 26th, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has the Eirik Raude drilling platform arrived and set up for the drilling proramme yet, and has the crew arrived in Stanley yet? I am interested as I have a considerable amount of money resting on a successful outcome. Rockhopper to drill Zebedee and then Isabel deep.
#17
Feb 26th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it with total world support -according to you-there has been absolutely no movement of any sort to further Argentina's spurious claim to the Falklands
“” ..the one who has to determine if it is an illegal act or not is the justice,the un in this case
NO the ICJ
#28
You have the nerve to criticise other posters ?
To paraphrase you
you can have a general idea of the human quality of the Argentinians after reading the posts of brainless Malen, Marcos, Dany and Paul
they epitomize the personality of the Argentinians in the most accurate way.
I agree,
Feb 26th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulcedron is just a lonely embitter person with no friends,
so he comes here insults everyone then prepares his hate mail for the next day,
a complete waste of a bloggers time.
33 imbecile
Feb 26th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I have had to lower myself to your level as you cannot have an intelligent and adult debate”
no, you piece of shite.
that post represents you and the rest of the isleters (except 2 or 3) exactly like you are: a piece of shite.
want more samples?
read the posts of conqueror, isolda, or any other, you piece of shite.
28 paulcedron
Feb 26th, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all thought Portuguese was the most spoken language in South America !
39 leilard
Feb 26th, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes, but you have to consider that you all can barely think.
so what you all thought is useless.
south america:
spanish spoken by 203 773 447
portuguese, by 201 032 714
got it?
meanwhile=Central America in support of Argentina's Falklands' claim
Feb 26th, 2015 - 11:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just what does this say abt CFK and her allies,
to her face, they support her,
behind her back, they insult her and want relations with the Falkland's,
perhaps, either CFK finds new friends and support,
or she should just pack up and go,
oh she is, this year....lol
38 paulcedron
Feb 26th, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So by your logic, you must represent the Argentine people.
Do you? You've managed to say 'piece of shite' three times in a seven line post. Is this representative of the intellect and debating skills of the Argentine people? Or are you a sad degenerate one-off?
40 paulcedron
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0you must be quoting INDEC figures
Paul
Feb 27th, 2015 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please answer the following:
- if (as you say) “the whole world” supports Argentina. Why did Argentina LOSE the last vote in the UN when it attempted to remove the right of self-determination from the islanders. The vote was 60:40 in the UK favour as recently as 2008.
- how many speak English in the Americas?
Idiot Child/mamarracho aka paulcedron
Feb 27th, 2015 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yo entiendo perfectamente el castellano - no necesito una clase aquí. El pueblo de El Salvador, que conozco bien, no sabe donde queda Argentina y no le interesa los boludeces de los malvinenses!
40 paulcedron
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is the total population of South America ?
Try answering without your usual histrionics.
@33
Feb 27th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to have touched a nerve there I think, pity that a person can not have a decent differing opinion without all the invective.
Hey Pauline....why haven't you answered my question, where has the UNGA stated that the Falklanders are squatters and the land belongs to Argentina, thats what you said right?. So if it is true where is the document, point me to it as I can't find it any where, I can though, point you to a UNSC document that says the Argentine invasion of the Falklands is illegal because they don't own it or have sovereignty of it. You invaded another countries sovereign territory. An illegal act and noted by the UNSC, officially, in writing and legally binding .
Feb 27th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you give your worthless, brainwashed, racist opinions, which you think makes you intellectually superior and worldly wise, while we provide simple facts that highlight your falsifications and puerile ramblings as nothing more that adolescent emotional incontinence.
Unfortunatly mpa is manned by rather bored squaddies rather than a collection of unarmed teenagers nuns and a few indians with sharpened fruit.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the cream of south american warriors wont be turning up anytime soon the idea of facing people who might fight back thats not what they joined up for.
Goose stepping posing and a bit of rape and or taking part in a coup going somewhere cold and wet to face professionals who are looking forward to a scrap nah think I'll pass theres students to rape and murder after all.
lets see if you can understand, at least 1 (ONE) concept, you dear inhabitants of the islets:
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Población total de América del Sur: 414.325.000
European languages:
1 SPANISH: 203 773 447
2 Portuguese: 201 032 714
3 english: 800 000
Now lets see what happens in the whole America:
1 SPANISH: +/- 387.000.000
But the best part is that anyone who speaks spanish, french, italian, portuguese or any other neo-latin language, can communicate with each other, even without having learnt the other idiom.
That´s the advantage of the most advanced languages, those which derived directly from Latin.
On the other hand you have the 2nd group, the nordic languages, like German, Dutch, Scandinavians, etc.
And in a third place, those third class languages (english) which have stolen some words from latin, french, spanish, german, etc.
English is probably the poorest idiom on earth.
What else can you expect from a dialect?
#50
Feb 27th, 2015 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So why is it the most popular language on earth ?
The only part of the Americas that works is ? Correct, the USA and what language do they speak ? Correct....ENGLISH
I have also heard that the Spanish don't think much of the Argentinian version of THEIR language.
I haven't heard of a rush of people worldwide desperate to learn Spanish.
What use would it be to them ?
All very well Pauline, except what language is recognised as the international business language.......here is a thing for you Pauline, I have British, Portuguese, Belgium (French & Flemish) and Spanish speaking parts of our family, guess what language we all communicate in when we are all together? ANd sorry, Portuguese, Spanish, French and Italian may well be able to have a basic understanding of simple written texts, but I can tell you first hand that even the Spanish and Portuguese have difficulty in understanding each other when speaking rather than writing. My mother in law (Spanish) has real trouble understanding the Portuguese news readers when she visits, she follows by reading the sub titles on the bottom of the screen. So in essence what you have said is no really true is it.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahaha
Feb 27th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those Spanish and Portuguese speakers and the Falkland Islands are STILL British and English speaking.
True..
Feb 27th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A Spanish friend of a friend, told us that when he phones his aunt in Argentina, that he has trouble in understanding her version of Spanish.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He said that she sounds like an ltalian trying to speak Spanish.
So much for paulcedron's common Latin language.
50. Then why whenever I order a Lemon from your kind I get a Lime.
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'd think after cleaning houses and pools you'd learn the difference.
56
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Then why whenever I order a Lemon from your kind I get a Lime.”
because you are a pelotudo and they give you whatever the fuck they want?
it is a possibility.
rest of the imbeciles:
The whole Spanish speaking world, even the chilotes, love the way we speak Castellano.
Not only because of our rich vocabulary but also because of our elegant accent and pronunciation, most of all the one of Buenos Aires.
As they say, there are two main ways of speaking Castellano: the Spanish and the Argentinian.
The rest are derivatives.
Anyway, what can you know, bennys?
For knowing that, you HAVE TO TRAVEL ABROAD, something you have never done in your puta life.
@19 Paul
Feb 27th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“try to imagine this: you have a house and a group of squatters decide to invade it”
In 1833 the Brits did not evict the owners of the houses at Port Louis -22 decided to stay mostly of South American origin-note very carefully-they didn't want to go back to the United Provinces-they were given the choice.
I don't blame them-they knew in future generations they would be better off as Falkland Islanders under a stable British administration rather than returning to a dysfunctional clusterfuck.
How can you squat when you don't evict the people already living at Port Louis?
You would have to chuck the people out of their houses and the Brits didn't-they chucked out the murderers who killed Mestivier(not the settlers)-and 10 'soldiers'got the firing squad after they got home-from the BA government.
And as the Sarandi that was sent away was crewed by a majority of British born sailors, then the Brits sent more British people packing than they did South Americans.
If you stop breathing in all that tyre smoke and drinking that Malbec poisoned with pesticides (bleeeuurrrggghhh, vomit, puke,barf) you might be able to research history properly-no South American people were displaced from their houses in Port Louis in 1833 plus no British Sailors were left behind by HMS Clio and HMS Tyne-so = no squatters-this is why you won't go to the ICJ-because Bullshit won't win you anything except Mr Jack Shit.
@50
“1 SPANISH: 203 773 447”
Hope you can make all the white flags needed for these.
To whom may be interested - “The whole Spanish speaking world, even the chilotes, love the way we speak Castellano.” is a totally untrue statement. El mamarracho is just spouting bull shite!(viz paulcedron)
Feb 27th, 2015 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For example, can a Mexican or a Spaniard understand what “nafta” is? Do they know what a “choripan” is? Of course not, the “Y” and the “LL” are pronounced in totallly different ways. The language spoken in Argentina is a bastardised version of Castellano and only arrogant bastards like paulcedron can possibly claim that Argentinos speak with a “an elegant accent” - what a joke! Pathetic claims.
50 Paulie
Feb 27th, 2015 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So where has it got you by having this superior language? Why are you all struggling so much in 3rd world conditions if you have this magnificent advantage of speaking such an advanced language?
You're a giant wanker Paulie. LOL!
so paulie the Spanish mole speaks, or utters,
Feb 28th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0But still has to speak English on here..
gordo tirapedos
Feb 28th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“For example, can a Mexican or a Spaniard understand what “nafta” is? Do they know what a “choripan” is? Of course not, the “Y” and the “LL” are pronounced in totallly different ways.”
You are not too bright, are you fatso?
Maybe the fat is clogging that little brain you have in that fat head?
Have you ever heard of localisms in language?
Surely not.
With the same criteria, you can ask if an Argentinian can understand a Mexican when they say chavo, menso, aparruchar, apapachar, and some other strange words they use.
And the answer, you fart-blower, is yes, they can understand each other.
Now, in your case, I strongly doubt you can understand the people of your own village.
But that is because of your less than zero IQ.
Got it?
Well I just got back from Colombia and I can tell you the Colombians don't like the way Rgs speak.
Feb 28th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do like that they are waiting on them though
I think our Rg waiter was an Architect.
or was he a Dr?
Well no matter
He didn't know what a Lemon was either.
Mamarracho/idiot child/paulcedron.
Feb 28th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I am in a far better situation than you are and thus able to judge the crap you are spouting I stand by my original comments - el idioma que se habla en Argentina es una forma bastardizada del castellano y que, con demasiada dificultad, se entiende en otros paises del mundo hispano.
You are a little weasel who needs to “pulirse”!
If everyone spoke English,
Feb 28th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this may well solve misunderstandings...
Actually Bogotano is considered one of the clearest and purest forms of Spanish in Latin America.
Mar 01st, 2015 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is definitely not porteño, which indeed sounds Italian to English speakers. And is probably why every single Spanish-speaking non-Argentine Latin American I have met makes fun of it.
Either way. The Falkland Islanders have chosen to continue to use the global lingua franca of English as their national language.
As education levels rise in Latin America, there will be even more English speakers.
mamarracho/idiot child/paulcedron
Mar 01st, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“With the same criteria, you can ask if an Argentinian can understand a Mexican when they say chavo, menso, aparruchar, apapachar, and some other strange words they use”
I believe that the “mexican” words you cite have their origin in the languages spoken by the indigenous peoples of mesoamerica. Whereas, as you lot embarked upon an official mission of genocide and relegated your indigenous peoples to non-persons, the only contribution to your odd “lingo” came from from the enormous contribution made by the Italian immigrants.
Your usual arrogant crap!
Paul the wanker cedron, I was born and raised in the UK, not South America you moron. At least try to keep up you half wit.
Mar 01st, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for who and what supports Argentina's claim, it's irrelevant. The only support required and needed is from the ICJ. Last time I checked, you didn't have it.
Argentina will go to the ICJ over a pulp mill but not it's much loved national cause.. That alone tells you all you need to know. As for the whole world supporting you.. The USA and Canada don't for starters and they're part of the world we live in are they not? Fool.
My word, the poo I had this morning had a higher IQ than you people. And you've the cheek to call others imbeciles?!
What a twat.
how can you, inhabitants of the islets, talk about languages when you are basically monoglots?.
Mar 01st, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the worst part is that you don't even speak your own idiom properly.
it is like a 19ème siècle version of english, but full of grammar and pronunciation mistakes, as we all can see here in this 4th class site.
and you, gordo tirapedos, you have never learnt spanish in your whole sad life, you fatso.
all you have learnt, and not very well, is to use google translator.
porkshite; what part of the uk are you from?
pork stanley?
the issue here, you ignorant benny, is not going to the icj and blablabla.
the question is that you, 3rd class plebs, do not have the right to assist to any meeting with a foreign country.
you have the fco for that.
never forget it: you are a colony, got it?
benny-hillbilly...lol
How Mr stupid utters again,
Mar 01st, 2015 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0paulie go back to sleep.
idiot child/mamarracho/paulcedron
Mar 01st, 2015 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I reiterate “As I am in a far better situation than you are and thus able to judge the crap you are spouting” - I say no more!
#69
Mar 01st, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pronunciation refers to the SPOKEN word not the WRITTEN word.
So, unless you are hearing voices in your head you do not know how they are pronouncing the words.
From the quality of the English in your posts,
69@
Mar 01st, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but the worst part is that you don't even speak your own idiom properly
education is falling.
@69
Mar 01st, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the issue here, you ignorant benny, is not going to the icj”
Well yes, the bens don't need to go to the ICJ because they are happy with the status they have-but Argentina isn't happy so it's up to the Argentines to go to the ICJ, unless they don't have a credible case?
“the question is that you, 3rd class plebs, do not have the right to assist to any meeting with a foreign country.”
They do indeed have that right-if they don't who's going to arrest them then?
The Islanders have their own democratically elected government, and most were born in the Islands so they do have the right of self representation.
It is not for Argentina to deny them that right, unless they chose to by force -how did that work out for you last time in 1982 chey?
Like 1832-1833-three months on the ground before your illegal asses were booted back to BA.
argy thieves will never go to the ICJ,
Mar 01st, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and thus they will never get the Falkland's,
and they know it, that's why they cry on here.
Paulie-69- so how come an elected member of our legislature a year ago was invited to and did address a joint session of the Columbian Parliament?
Mar 01st, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulie knows he has already lost.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The rest is just bile and spittle.
Amusing sometimes, but generally just pus oozing from a fatal wound.
Argentina is dying a very slow death. Paulie is merely a sympton of the cancer.
In 25 years the carcass of Argentina will be Chinese dog-food.
Eye like listening to these cry babies throwing all the toys from the pram.
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0pete
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Islanders have their own democratically elected government, and most were born in the Islands so they do have the right of self representation.”
wot?
democratically elected government?
lol
you are governed by a viceroy who was born in...england and was elected by...the queen, you know, the old biatch.
guess you dont even know what democracy means.
dḗmos: pueblo
krátos: poder.
nothing to do with you isleters.
@ 24 Skip
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Even I support the LEGITIMATE rights of Argentina. Unfortunately no LEGITIMATE rights HAVE EVER BEEN FOUND” (These last four words' capitals are mine)
Begging your permission.... We may suspect that the last statement is not exact.
From Sir WILLIAM MOLESWORTH (M.P.) Selected Speeches (1848 - “ON COLONIAL EXPENDITURE”):
“ I PROPOSE........... TO ACKNOWLEDGE BUENOS AYRES CLAIM ON THE FALKLAND ISLANDS” (buenos aYres - sheer infant XIX Century)
I see idiot child has been joined by a countryman, argfellow. Similar idiot troll?
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@79
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you are governed by a viceroy who was born in...england and was elected by...the queen, you know, the old biatch.
guess you dont even know what democracy means.”
The Governor no longer has a vote on Falkland Islands law but the FIG MLAs who are voted into FIG by the Islanders do, that = democracy.
You are not intelligent enough to note the difference, therefore any building you designed would collapse because you would pile bricks on top of each other without adding mortar, as evidenced by your simplistic notions of how the Falkland Islands are governed, and your limited knowledge of the events of 1833.
You are getting it confused with Argentine presidents who are voted in but rule by decree-i.e. . like Falkland governors did prior to the 1980s.
79@
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess you don't even know what democracy means
79@
you said it pal.
@79 idiot child/mamarracho/paulcedron
Mar 02nd, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina enjoys “demos” “kratos”? Only an idiot would try to suggest that the form of government enjoyed by the people of the Falkland Islands is not democratic or less valid than the disaster that is Argentina. Especially, you,as an argentino, have nothing to measure democracy against that enjoyed in other countries. ¡Huevón!
@81, @84 gordo1
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was Sir WILLIAM MOLESWORTH (M.P.) an idiot..?
@85 idiot argfellow.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wiki tells us:
“In 1845 Molesworth was returned for Southwark, and retained that seat until his death. On his return to parliament he devoted special attention to the condition of the colonies, and was the ardent champion of their self-government. In January 1853, Lord Aberdeen included him as the only Radical in his coalition cabinet as First Commissioner of Works, the chief work by which his name was brought into prominence at this time being the construction of the new Westminster Bridge; he also was the first to open Kew Gardens on Sundays. In July 1855, he was made Colonial Secretary, an office he held until his death in October of the same year.” THE SOURCE OF YOUR INFORMATION IS CLEARLY NOT CORRECT.
NB “WAS THE ARDENT CHAMPION OF THEIR SELF-GOVERNMENT”
@85 argfellow,
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably,
thats nearly 200 years ago.
And it was just his personal opinion.
What about the Argentines who have publicly stated that Argentina does NOT have any rights to the Falklands?
You dismiss them & their opinions.
But you agree with anyone's opinions who support Argentina's ridiculous “claims”.
How inconsistent of you.
You country's ridiculous “claims” are based on lies. And you know that too.
lf you really believe that you country has any rights at all, then present your evidence to the ICJ.
Have you ever asked yourself WHY your country doesn't do this?
Or do you know in your heart, that Argentina has NO claim on the Falklands but is just hoping that one day we'll say “yes, here they are, come & get them”?
Not going to happen, you can count on it.
Get used to it, this land will NEVER be Argentine.
NEVER never..
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 084 flatulent fatso
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what can a brainwashed fart blower like you know about democracy?
for your tiny little brain, the islands are an “overseas territory” (lol) when they are simply a 3rd class colony.
for your tiny little brain, being ruled by a “governor” elected by a 120 year old bitch in london is having “democracy”.
democracy, you gordo tirapedos is a lot more than that.
you have no idea.
@89
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are so juvenile and immature.
The Falkland Islands, which are a self governing UK Overseas Territory, have a DEMOCRATICALLY elected Legislative Assembly, which you well know. By not acknowledging this fact and attempting to ridicule it you are just showing yourself to be totally uninformed - which you are not!
Stop making a fool of yourself - these is a “dicho” in English “Stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me”. Roughly translated that means that all the nonsense that you direct at us is like water off a ducks back and has no effect other than to laugh at your pathetic efforts which only belittle yourself - NOT US!
89@
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it matters not what they are,
one thing is certain,
They are argentine..
@91 ????????????????????????????
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely you don't mean what you say? They are argentine?
In my view you should have said “ONE THING IS CERTAIN THEY ARE NOT ARGENTINE...”
#89
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Could you enlighten us with your colony classifications so that we can gauge your thoughts on this matter.
Examples required for 1st, 2nd and 3d.
Where would Argentina fit in or would you need to make a 4th class for Spanish colonies. ?
@93 Clyde15
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a 'no class' colony. It has no class at all!
92 gordo1
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank you gord0 1, you got it in one,
dam argy key board...lol
To @86gordo1 : “idiot argfellow”
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My second personal aggression. I owe the first to an able technician and frequent commentator, who suffered an English Semantics stumble with a gerund, when replying one 0f my opinions. So, it seems that Sir WILLIAM gives back his “IDIOCY” to its legitimate owner ,argfellow, because (86,gordo1)
“THE SOURCE OF YOUR INFORMATION IS CLEARLY NOT CORRECT”(¡¡!!)
but:
SPEECH
of
SIR WILLIAM MOLESWORTH, BART., M.P.
IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
on
TUESDAY, 25TH JULY, 1848,
on
COLONIAL EXPENDITURE
and
GOVERNMENT
LONDON
James Ridgway Piccadilly
[Price one shilling]
(this particular copy carries Sir WILLIAM´s signature and handwritten dedicatory to Lady DUFF GORDON) and we read (EXACT TO THE LETTER):
”What I propose to the house is this:....(several .items)......” (ending lines of page 14) , “...and TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CLAIM OF BUENOS AYRES TO THE FALKLAND ISLANDS” (second line of page 15, my capitals).
So, my esteemed lady (@87, ISOLDE), the first Gordo (gordo1) is quite right on Sir WILLIAM: far from an idiot, far from “anyone” (your word); quite the contrary, a brilliant server of H.M , a fore-sighted Colonial Secretary, and.... OUR CHAMPION. On him, https://books.google.com.ar/books ?id..
Well, argfellow, thats nice for you.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it was STILL just his opinion. Not fact.
l will repeat the challenge to you.
lf you are SO SURE that Argentina owns the Falklands, then take your evidence to the ICJ & PROVE it.
All things being equal, if you CAN prove it, the ICJ will then award the Falklands to Argentina(shudder!).
There are only 2 other avenues open to you.
1)
Convince us that we would be better off freely joining Argentina(of our own will) You'll have your work cut out there, old chap!
2)
lnvade & conquer the Falklands.
Something that you're not currently capable of.
There is no other way……
The ball is in your court, argfellow.
What will you now do?
YOUR CHAMPION? Clearly he was not! Where is your evidence that he actually followed up on his intention “TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CLAIM OF BUENOS AYRES TO THE FALKLAND ISLANDS”. He obviously changed his mind and became “THE ARDENT CHAMPION OF THEIR SELF-GOVERNMENT””.
Mar 03rd, 2015 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Independent of the number of trips made by the Secretary the UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Mar 04th, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@97 What will you now do..?
Mar 04th, 2015 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0To wait until the U.K. yields to the opinion of the U.S. government, and the vast majority of the World´s ones, to accept conversations on the matter of the Islands´ sovereignty. I have reminded you on more than one occasion that not so subtle a change has been experienced by U.S. diplomacy on this matter: they recognize, certainly , UK “de facto” domain on the Islands; but no longer “de jure” one. If I were wrong, Mr.OBAMA and Mrs. CLINTON could not have openly recommended this course of action to both countries. Please, remember the explosion of wrath in the U.K. when Mrs. CLINTON statements were known. The main fact remains unaccepted: Colonialism days are gone.This does NOT exclude self- determination on a local (and certainly wide) basis. I, for example, believe that FIG must continue for a long time. Once assured SOVEREIGNTY on land, sea, and air, all the rest (private property, nationality, language, culture, education, religion (or lack of it) will not be unsurmountable obstacles. Deep-sea oil wells could be...save for the example (too eloquent) of very recent market extorsions. Please, forgive my “ritornello” on the Welsh settlement. Have they experienced any kind of cultural or material oppression in 150 years..?. We celebrate the aniversary with the utmost sincerity on our part. .
100 argfellow
Mar 04th, 2015 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK can rely on at least six-planks of international law and three Anglo-Spanish treaties, that support irrefutably her right of sovereignty, while legally Argentine is now barred from even submitting a claim to the ICJ or the PCA. Moreover, there is not one aspect of international law that supports an Argentine claim. The UK therefor is the only legal holder of sovereignty, and there is no legal power on earth to change that reality. So it doesn't matter a jot what any other countries opinion is, or what they recommend. As they are prevented under international law from any interference in the UK's internal affairs.
*Judgement*
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argfellow loses.
*gavel*
@99 Hepatia
Mar 04th, 2015 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain will never “return” the “Malvinas” to anyone without the consent of the people who live in the archipelago - and that consent is unlikely to be forthcoming.
The only route for Argentina to take is to appeal to the International Court of Justice. Public opinion counts for nothing!
@100 argfellow,
Mar 04th, 2015 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please see post # 101 above.
Argentina has no historical, legal, moral or legitimate “right” to ANY part of the Falkland lslands.
And they have NEVER had.
“The whole world” is NOT calling for anything about the Falklands.
That is just Argentine wishful thinking.
Doubt very much that the USA will upset the UK by championing Argentina's ridiculous “claims”.
They need us too much for that.
So argfellow:-
What will you now do?
hint:-
1)
Nothing
2)
Blow more hot air.
What a pathetic country.
99 Hepatia /100 argfellow
Mar 04th, 2015 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0you lot promised all this crap 30 odd years ago,
and they are still British,
now you argies say==another 25 years,
will you be here to add another 25 years to that in 25 years time.
totally brainwashed the pair of you.
@99 Hepatia:
Mar 04th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't return what wasn't yours to begin with.
@100 Argfellow:
The “vast majority of the world” is not, in fact, calling for conversations on sovereignty. There are UN resolutions calling for talks to peaceably resolve the dispute, taking into account the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands.
The UK has no objection to such talks. It was in fact, Argentina's representative who refused to talk when people from the Falklands arrived to represent their interests, as the UN Resolutions *require* be taken into account.
Argentina does not appear to want to even negotiate in good faith, demanding that regardless of facts or issues, the outcome of negotiation is that they be given sovereignty.
There are two ways Argentina can resolve this issue in a fair and equitable manner. The first is to take the dispute to the ICJ, which if the facts are in their favour, would solve the dispute along those lines also. Of course, we all know that the facts do *not* support their claim, so no ICJ.
The quickest and easiest of course, would be for Argentina to acknowledge their claim as false and withdraw it. No fake claim, no dispute.
The main problem as I see it is that Argentina is stuck in a Sunk Costs Fallacy.
Successive Argentine governments have spent decades and billions in currency perpetuating what is known here as the “Malvinas Lie”. Schools teaching the lie of usurpation in 1833, the current banknotes, the Olympics ad and the banner that FIFA rightly took action over. Heck, even the 1982 attempted invasion and subjugation stems directly from the Lie.
Argentina's spent so much on this dispute they invented, that they believe taking steps towards a fair resolution would mean they had wasted time, money and even lives for islands that were never theirs.
Of course, that *is* what they've done. I daresay that we would be able to have productive discussion if you negotiated in good faith, with no unreasonable preconditions like you do now.
Oh Shit sorry people,
Mar 04th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems
99 Hepatia
And
100 argfellow
Were correct,
We have just handed the Malvinas over to CFK today at 3pm local time,
Mind you I would have thought the government would have chosen a better picture rather than a blank sheet,
Still,
A jigsaw puzzle is a jigsaw puzzle.
Lololol chuckle .lol
.
@99 Hepatia
Mar 05th, 2015 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Independent of the number of trips made by the Secretary the UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.”
Independent of the number of speeches made by the Argentine President, The Falklands will still be British the next 25 years.
Argentina, will be owned by China within the next 25 years.
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