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BBC announced the suspension of Top Gear's Clarkson because of a fracas with a producer
Britain's BBC announced on Tuesday it had suspended Jeremy Clarkson, the presenter of the globally popular 'Top Gear' show, after he was involved in a fracas with one of the broadcaster's producers. Clarkson last October was involved in incidents in Patagonia over alleged mocking of the Falklands' war according to Argentina. Read full article
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Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0he punched the Producer, who was probably some fresh-out-uni-left-wing twat.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31828184
I tried to log on to the petition site, but I think it has crashed due to global demand!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31828184
please vote, if you can!
I think from this article you could be forgiven for thinking it was about Argentina. This matter has nothing to do with what happened last year in Argentina
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0As a media bloke said on the TV this morning, it was just two blokes having a heated argument and not anything that was for public airing.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Was the producer suspended as he was the other party to the “fracas”
Also wondering why this story is on MP?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clarkson smacking someone in Newcastle is obviously linked to a government orchestrated lynch mob (with a chip on their shoulder) attacking a TV crew in southern Argentina for allegedly mocking a war that they stated and subsequently lost over 30 years ago.
Hmmmmmm
@4
Mar 11th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0true, but it is a bit of fun!
website still crashed, haha!
obviously lots of people want to get involved still..
If theres any truth to the accusations then the BBC are in the position of having to act on their already issued a 'final' warning.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very high profile story.
Final warnings in the public service BBC will be meaningless if he's not sacked.
Making all internal public service warnings look pretty meaningless.
If investigation finds fault he's a gonner.
This is good news. The sooner that Clarkson is removed from the media the better. He is the prime example of British form of machismo - sexist, racist and thick as two short planks. The fact that he is so popular reveals the depths of arrogance towards other cultures on our post-imperial culture.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. What's wrong with British machismo? Can't be many Brits who'd want to get to know an argie tranny? And who's going for the few argie females? Old, fat, unintelligible. On the plus side, toothless. What's wrong with being racist? Who wouldn't look down on argie mongrels? Thick? No doubt goes to explain why we Brits are so much richer. So few examples of litigation by people trying to recover stolen debts. Proper armed forces. Proper government. Proper police who don't murder people to counteract boredom. No history of murdering millions. Ever heard of viveza criollo? Real argie psychopathy. “a philosophy of progress along the line of least resistance and ignoring rules, a lack of sense of responsibility and consideration for others”. “the principal cause of a moral, cultural, economic, social and political crisis”. Don't worry, girlie, we'll be back sometime to straighten you out. You'll fit in your coffin so much easier. Assuming you need one. Does a shadow on a wall need a coffin?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Alicia, la azafata, must be pleased!
Mar 11th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well thank fcuk for that..same old format...same old staged stunts....
Mar 11th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good riddance....
The BBC is a large employer and they will have to abide by employment laws and proper procedures. I have no doubt it has been blown out of proportion and it will be interesting to see the results when the truth has been heard. If he did punch the producer 'because his lunch was late' he will go and could be subject to prosecution. You can't put your hands on anyone.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't much care for JC but do I think he gives a flying one? No, he is wealthy and popular on T.V. If he leaves the BBC he won't be off the T.V. screens for long.
what happened bennys?
Mar 11th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your hero was sacked?
what the fuck are you going to do now on sundays?
as for “Last October Clarkson and his crew had to flee Argentina ...”, it seems it was not the only altercation these twats had in a foreign country, no?
“In March last year Clarkson was accused of “casual racism” during a Top Gear special in which the team built a bridge over a Burmese river. As a man walked across the bridge Clarkson made a comment that there was a “slope on it””
“In 2013, Clarkson was accused of using the N-word while chanting the “eeny, meeny, miny, moe” rhyme in a clip that did not air on the motoring show.”
“In February 2011, a Top Gear special sparked a complaint from the Indian High Commission that it was full of “cheap jibes” and “tasteless humour”, following gags such as building a toilet in the back of a Jaguar because all tourists who visit the country get diarrhoea.”
“A year earlier Clarkson was forced to apologise to the Mexican ambassador to the UK, who complained about a special in which the presenter described Mexicans as “lazy, feckless and flatulent” and branding their food “refried sick”.”
“In February 2009, Clarkson called Gordon Brown a “one-eyed Scottish idiot”, then months later described him as a “cunt” in unbroadcast comments.”
“That October, he told Top Gear magazine that TV bosses were obsessed with having “black Muslim lesbians” on shows to balance white heterosexual men”
To be fair, Gordon Brown is a one-eyed Scottish idiot...
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and the water is not safe in India...
I have the perfect idea for the BBC: Replace Clarkson with Alicia Castro!
Mar 11th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeremy would be laughing all the way to the bank and no one would ever watch Top Gear again. His worldwide popularity is enormous and he'd earn a lot more money.
#7 Pytangua
Are you real? “...the depths of arrogance towards other cultures on our post-imperial culture.” You sound like one of those “black Muslim lesbians” mentioned above...
12 Pablo
Mar 11th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If those were the real issues, why wasn't he sacked before? They had plenty of provocation.
This “assault” is an excuse.
(7) Pytangua
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I concord in full with your above post...
By the way... Never mind poster (14) “Oh, the Roast Beef of Old England” jingoistic comment..
He is a perfect example of the unfathomable arrogance towards any social conscientious life-form a posh Santiago Engrish school, an XIXth century Prussian Shilean Military Academy indoctrination and and a long but unproductive South American Armed Farces career can create...
Regards
El Think
I don't particularly like Clarkson but the BBC seems to be a hotbed of “do as I say, not do as I do” overpaid and under experienced cretins.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They need to be privatised asap and the licence fee dropped: then we will see how good they are without the taxpayer backing them up.
Clarkson has no need to work again, but he will with higher earnings. Who will be laughing then? Chris Evans should replace him. As for the others, dump the lot, its a tired format anyway.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bring back William Woolard!
12 - yes Clarkson is (was) a professional troll. His list of previous 'incidents' complaints, and warnings all show that his recent number plate 'incident' was most definitely a failed attempt at trolling. This most recent suspension, if the allegations are proven, will be just further proof of a childish attitude.
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Mar 11th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So. A supposed Brit singing from the Book of Anglophobe Cliches, applauded from the wings by a prominent Latam anglophobe.
Where have I seen this before?
HansNiesund
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously Señor Think, our beloved and “prominent Latam anglophobe” has been imbibing Argentine whiskey and it's put him into a sour mood.
A few minor corrections to the generous bio provided by the bard of Chubut.
“He is a perfect example of the unfathomable arrogance towards any social conscientious life-form...” My very conscientious dog would take a strong issue with that bigoted opinion.
“a posh Santiago Engrish school” ...bloody hell it was posh!
“XIXth century Prussian Shilean Military Academy indoctrination.” See, you know he's been into the bottle. I was indoctrinated into the Naval Academy in Valpariso. (We didn't wear those silly helmets with little pointy things on top.)
“...a long but unproductive South American” NAVAL “career can create...” Missed my opportunity to personally strangle Admiral Merino, which I repeatedly planned on several occasions, but still I'm very content with my active and long reserve career. Success is not measured by whether an officer takes command of a vessel. It is in how he or she best contributes to the service of their country.
@21
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He seems to have forgotten your substantial inherited landholdings in Grand Fenwick.
Hans
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please remind me to send you a case of Grand Fenwick wine after the next harvest.
@23
Mar 11th, 2015 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's very gentlemanly of you.
I'll have the estate staff rustle up a brace of pheasant in return, after I've got done mourning the passing of the Empire.
@15 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Reason why he wasn't sacked before? Top Gear generates £20 000 000 p.a. in operating profits ( ref Financial Times ) for the BBC. Of course he still hasn't been sacked yet, just suspended.
25 Heisencontext
Mar 12th, 2015 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0that was really a rhetorical question for Pablo.
Clarkson has committed numerous “offences” before. He wasn't fired because nobody considered his boyish antics or involvement to be of consequence, including the Patagonian farce, perpetrated by Arg.
Certainly, nobody even listened to the demented harpy from the Arg. Embassy.
@26 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Depends what you mean by “nobody” I guess, but I disagree with you anyway. I absolutely believe he has been able to stay employed by the BBC because of how much money Top Gear generates for BBC Worldwide. The number plate issue is irrelevant because the Beeb believed, as do I, that it was a simple coincidence. On the other hand calling a Burmese man a 'slope' was neither a coincidence nor what I what I would consider 'a boyish antic'.
It's a post Jimmy Saville environment the BBC is operating in now. Clarkson knows this perfectly well. Taking a swing at a fellow employee 'cause there was no grub is just dumb. I wouldn't worry yet though if I were you. They still haven't actually fired him.
Interesting that this has generated so many posts...
Mar 12th, 2015 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 027 Heisen...
Mar 12th, 2015 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you, “nobody cared” as he brought in so much viewership and £££.
I don't condone racial slurs, but there is a matter of proportion.
Firing a top presenter/producer for off-colour remarks is ping too far.
I would hope that controversies generated by JC and others like TDC and Alicia, would not have undue influence over UK media and let's face it, “entertainment”.
They do not hold their own media to the same standards, and they know we don't scutinise IT either.
We just assume they will be racist, non-PC, or outright offensive and propagandist.
Sorry, I see racist and offensive remarks in movies everyday - classified as “entertainment”.
I personally would not use such terms, or think along those lines - I wouldn't want to be compromising my own values for the sake of s laugh.
@29 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not. I don't watch Top Gear for the lads winning personalities. I watch it because it's the only place I know where I can watch a Veyron ( or a FXX or a P1 ) being flung sideways on an old airfield converted into a race track. I like that kind of thing myself.
What's amusing to me, and rather sad too, is the BBC continually having to justify Clarkson's employment, despite serial flouting of their own self-proclaimed standards whilst denying the seductiveness of 20 million quid.
“I don't condone racial slurs, but there is a matter of proportion.”
What proportion? If you can spin “There's a slope on this bridge” whilst the camera is ( pointedly ) framing a Burmese man I can only admire your verbal dexterity and willingness to swallow bullshit, and the same goes for a 6' 5“ middle -aged man reciting ”eny meny miny mo, catch a nigger ( mumbled )“ etc...all the while smirking like a little boy testing his elders as to how much he can get away with.
”Sorry, I see racist and offensive remarks in movies everyday - classified as “entertainment”.
You do understand the difference between racist views expressed in a dramatic context, where it is understood that the actors and writers are not expressing their personal beliefs and a presenter expressing his personal beliefs under the guise of 'entertainment'? And why the difference matters?
The rest of your comments are irrelevant IMO - the first sentence of the post @11 explains why he is embroiled in his current predicament perfectly. It has nothing to with the Argentine media.
Heisen...
Mar 12th, 2015 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will repeat that I am not condoning his behViour.
I do think it is out of proportion to fire him over it.
He is amusing at times, but would likely be tiresome in short order.
You seem to be willing to put up with his behaviour to get what you want from the show, instead of switching it off in Moral Indignation.
There are much other unacceptable statementd made in the name of “entertainment” - “cheap laffs” to be sure, but it is common.
It is not all role-playing or dramatic device.
As long as you continue to overlook it when it suits you, don't lecture me.
@31 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I will repeat that I am not condoning his behViour. (sic )“
Which specific behaviour are you referring too - the latest incident or past misdemenours?
”There are much other unacceptable statementd ( sic ) made in the name of “entertainment”...“
Such as? All that comes to mind is stand-up comedy where there is already an expectation that lines are going to be blurred. And it doesn't make it immune from criticism or negative consequences.
”As long as you continue to overlook it when it suits you, don't lecture me“.
I don't ”overlook it”, I just have low expectations and I'm a sucker for lavishly filmed exotic machinery doing stuff that would otherwise get you arrested.
I'm sorry you feel you're been lectured to - not my intention. I was just pointing out the gaping holes in your arguments. Large enough to drive a Bentley Mulsanne through come to think of it.
Heisen...
Mar 12th, 2015 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0On the contrary, I think I have answered your pompous charges satisfactorily.
You have your own Bentley sized hypocritical hole.
“I don't ”overlook it”, I just have low expectations and I'm a sucker for lavishly filmed exotic machinery doing stuff that would otherwise get you arrested”
Please tell me how your arbitrarily set threshold for Moral Indignation is any different or 'more moral' than mine.
A matter of “proportion” or “degree”??
Who says how much 'overlooking' is acceptable or not.
Your rationalising statements exactly parallel my own statements, yet you find exception to what I have said.
Your efforts at pontificating might be better spent tackling some of the outrageous examples of racism from the likes of Vestige, or perhaps querying the populists who support Maduro's Bolivarian Revolution which has brought poverty, misery, and death to so many.
By the way Paul, a TV presenters continued gaffs is nothing in comparison to your presidents (aka #1 Argentine representative, head of diplomatic service, #1 ambassador) openly mocking the chinese because they can't say 'r'. I mean that was last funny in the 1960's in the rest of the world... That's your leader that is.
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, how will your Falklands OCD manifest itself today I wonder.
@33 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Pompous”? Really? All I've asked of you is that you clarify your statements and tell me what you really mean. I still don't know what you meant by your phrase 'boyish antics' @26. He has been criticised, and warned by his employer, for a long list of infractions - none of which have been described in the term you used, so which 'antics' did you mean?
“Please tell me how your arbitrarily set threshold for Moral Indignation is any different or ' more moral' than mine.”
“Moral Indignation” is your term, not mine, but if you want to know how I can put up with a racist middle-aged oaf invading my TV screen, I've found my remote control is a great ally. It has this cool mute button and can even change channel. You should try it sometime.
Your statements regarding expressions of racism in the entertainment industry are simply disingenuous, your claims that Argentina and it's media have any influence on this decision have no merit and you seem to have dropped that particular assertion. Correct?
Your last statement is utterly irrelevant to the subject at hand and unworthy of further response.
You could have simply acknowledged that I had a point about the money and I would've left it at that, but you just couldn't help yourself could you? It's not my job to help you save face.
35 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 12th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ It's not my job to help you save face.”
On the contrary, its you that seems to be trying to save face, and flailing, I mean failing.
You have already admitted that YOU STILL WATCH Top Gear for your own reasons,
“Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not. I don't watch Top Gear for the lads winning personalities. I watch it because... ”
Like you, I dont need to see JC fired, and I dont need to agree with everything he does or says, to watch the program.
...yet you criticise me for doing exactly the same as you, while copping a 'holier than thou' attitude. Quite a double standard!
but.. but... but..
“ ...but if you want to know how I can put up with a racist middle-aged oaf invading my TV screen, I've found my remote control is a great ally. It has this cool mute button and can even change channel. You should try it sometime.”
That is too rich!
Really, what a defensive and patronising attitude - you say you still watch it because it suits you, but you would have us believe that the Heisenbergcontext on the elevated moral plane, watches the show 'with the volume muted, so as not to be offended? ... or not to admit to oneself, or not appear to, tacitly condone the content?? ...or a form of moral atonement??? Yes, pompous.
This seems to be your own personal issue you need to resolve within yourself.
As to the money issue - yes, I basically agree with you, just as I said before @27 “I agree with you, “nobody cared” as he brought in so much viewership and £££”
You do however, seem very intent on pressing that point - perhaps you have your own agenda or you wish to make it known because you feel offended?
I would suggest there is an image issue for the BBC as well. While they receive much criticism for JC's “long list of infractions”, his show defied some of the stereotyping of the BBC as staid, obsolete, or 'out of touch' with its audience.
Finally, Certainly, nobody even listened to the demented harpy from the
@36 Troy
Mar 12th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I haven't critisised you for doing the exact thing I do. I've critisised you for stating things I know are untrue, and every single issue I've brought up you've either backed down on or simply refused to acknowledge.
I never claimed any 'moral superiority' to you - that's entirely your own invention and any discomfort you might feel as a result is your responsibility. I don't get all worked up about Clarkson because I don't have any illusions about who he is and I prefer to reserve my 'moral outrage' for the things that really matter. It's not like there's any shortage of them you know.
The only reason we are still 'debating' this subject is because, despite me making three requests, you still won't disclose what 'boyish antics' means to you. Why is that I wonder?
The petition to re-instate him will reach 1 million .
Mar 13th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It has now emerged that he reported himself and that lentil eating , PC saddo Danny Cohen immediately suspended him and pulled Top Gear off the air .
Eye witnesses say there was foul language but no punching
At the subsequent enquiry , Cohen is made to look a complete t*t ( not hard , Google Danny Cohen Jimmy Savile ) .
Cohen gets sacked , JC gets reinstated on a renewed contract worth yet more money and TG becomes seriously outrageous .
And Argentina STILL don't get the Falkland Islands ....
The injustice of it all .
@37 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 13th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I haven't critisised you for doing the exact thing I do. I've critisised you for stating things I know are untrue, and every single issue I've brought up you've either backed down on or simply refused to acknowledge.'
You have asked me to explain my position. I have done so more than once, to the point of running out of space on my last post.
I stand by what I have said.
”Like you, I dont need to see JC fired, and I dont need to agree with everything he does or says, to watch the program. “
YOU tell me how you describe Clarkson's comments.
THEN tell me how YOU rationalise watching his show, and ”Personally ... couldn't care whether they fire him or not“.
Are you of a higher moral purpose?
Are you exempt from the baser moral values you imply of others?
You seem to have a personal need to persecute me for something - I dont know why.
If I elaborate on my opinions and they don't meet your personal satisfaction, then you seem to imply that I am either a racist or morally lacking in some other way.
If I appear to agree with you, then I am ”backing down“, according to you.
Bit of a no-win for me, and either way, Heisenbergcontext is the hero.
How fulfilling for you.
That is just your opinion, of course.
Everyone else can draw their own conclusions from what I have said.
I have made my statements, and I stand behind them. If they are not explained fully enough for you, too bad. I am not obligated to say more.
I would suggest you go back over what I have said, carefully.
At no time have I said that I believe the Patagonian episode, or subsequent complaints to have led to Clarkson's suspension however much inconvenient criticism the BBC may endure on his behalf.
It is very obvious to anyone that the precedent has been set, several times over in the past year alone, that the BBC is not going to fire him over the show, despite public criticisms.
@26 ”Certainly, nobody even listened to the demented harpy from the Arg. Embassy.”
It seems Clarkson didn't punch the producer who had been part of the programme for 10 years, though he did swear and curse him.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Clarkson arrived at the hotel expecting a decent meal to be available even though it was after 10.00p.m. At £210 per night and with the 'producer' supposedly looking after the crews welfare I don't think it at all unreasonable. The producer failed in his responsibilities it would seem.
It was Clarkson who brought the incident to the attention of the BBC. Then the shit hit the fan.
Lord Fanny Hall is now rowing back on all the hysteria that the BBC allowed to build in the press, I suspect because he now belatedly sees the train crash coming.
Clarkson and his business partner (it seems) sold the show in 2012 for a fair amount of money I would imagine, so it is unlikely they could start Top Gear The Real Deal or something that broached their contract BUT that wouldn't stop Sky from doing something else with Clarkson.
BBC: British Broadcasting Cunts seems an appropriate heading given their constant financial mismanagement of the business.
On Yahoo News UK, today, there was an interview video of the family from Leeds that witnessed the event.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They were saying they were at first excited that they were present in the same hotel, but Clarkson made them feel bad by turning them down for a “selfie” and proceeded to ruin their evening by swearing and being loudly rude to the producer.
According to the Mirror, Clarkson turned himself in for “forcibly manhandling” an underling in a tantrum over his dinner, only because his team were going to turn him in if he didn't do it himself.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-handed-himself-because-5323137
Greetings from your Patagonian hosts Mr. Clarkson...
Mar 13th, 2015 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He who laughs last...
If there were any justice in the world, it would have been Alicia Castro serving his cold platter.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(44)
Mar 13th, 2015 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Alicia had served him that plate..., he would have eaten it without uttering a word...
And then he would hide himself under his bed.... as he did last time in Argentina...
That doesn't make sense. I can see why somebody might want to hide under his bed at the prospect of an encounter with Alicia Castro, but not after one. You'd want to go off and get inoculated or something, surely.
Mar 13th, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's with all the '....' these days?
(46)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Makes perfect sense in valiant Mr. Clarkson's case...
Engrishmen are renown for their soft spot for the mature schoolmistress dominatrix type...
@39 Troy
Mar 14th, 2015 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't ask you to explain your 'position'. I asked you, specifically, what 'boyish antics' meant to you. If you don't want to tell me why don't you just say so?
“YOU tell me how you describe Clarkson's comments?”
What part of “...racist middle-aged oaf...” (@35) don't you understand?
I didn't 'rationalise' why I watch Top Gear. I told you, explicitly, with the appropriate context, why I choose to watch it. If I were attempting to establish any kind of moral superiority over you I could simply avoided telling you I watch the show at all - right?
“I have made my statements, and I stand by them.”
Yep, you've certainly made a lot of statements. You've also abandoned a few along the way. If you wish I would be happy to detail each and every one.
You believe I am questioning your attitude to race. No Troy, that's all inside your head mate. Any sense of persecution you've developed is entirely self-inflicted and it's all because you don't want anyone knowing what what was going through your mind when you wrote “boyish antics”. No-one's forcing you to explain anything...
@47
Mar 14th, 2015 - 07:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like Argentina missed a trick, then.
Instead of a howling mob of the emotionally incontinent, you might have got instead Mistress Cristina, Mistress Alicia, Mistress Nilda, or maybe even Mistress The Drink Driving Lady from INDEC, to impress upon Mr Clarkson what a material and psychological disaster the Falklands War was for Argentina.
(49)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are overestimating our valiant Mr. Clarkson...
He's not interested in any “Impressions”...
All he cares about is Spanking...
And Spanked he got...
He who chuckles last, chuckles best...
Chuckle chuckle...
@50
Mar 14th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He who thinks is all about who chuckles last is somewhat short of a clue. But never mind.
Are any of the Argentine stone throwers in trouble with their employers?
(51)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This article is about our valiant Top Gear host, Jeremy Clarkson, calling a BBC junior producer a “Lazy Irish Cnut” before punching the Paddy in the face...
I don't remember this Engrishman being so brave with us, Argentinean Spiks...
Chuckle chuckle...
@52
Mar 14th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is. After several hours in the pub too, apparently. It's really no way to behave, and he's most likely going to lose his job over it, maybe some bother with the authorities also.
I'm just wondering how many of your valiant howling mob(s) lost their jobs or got into bother with the authorities? Or is that considered a proper way to behave?
(53)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Soooooooo...
It's the Engrish Pub's fault now...
Would that be the same Engrish Pub in which our valiant Mr. Clarkson came up with his “Boyish Antics” of offending his host Country's population, provoking thereby a very understandable popular reaction?
@54
Mar 14th, 2015 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it's not the pub's fault. It's his own damn fault. Had he not elected to spend some hours in the pub, he might have got to the hotel before the chef knocked off at 9pm, and thereby averted behaving like a complete arse.
But I have no idea, myself, if that's the same pub where he got the idea of offending the population of Argentina, if indeed offending Argentina was ever advance planned in the first place. In fact Argentina doesn't figure large in the concerns of most pubs in the country, though I dare say the idea of offending Argentina would go down quite well in most of them if anyone was to suggest it. That would be what you might call a very understandable popular reaction.
Even so, that being said, we've managed to refrain so far from constituting any howling mobs to throw stones at Alicia Castro, despite her frequent and assiduous endeavours to offend her host country's population. I guess we must have different ideas about what constitutes a “very understandable popular reaction”.
(55)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And we've managed to refrain so far from constituting any howling mobs to throw stones at Dr. John Freeman, despite his frequent and assiduous endeavours to offend his host country's population. I guess we must have not so different ideas about what constitutes a “very understandable popular reaction...”
@56
Mar 14th, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I guess that would be the chap who said “Argentina is a fascinating, huge, vital, very interesting, beautiful country with engaging and welcoming people. That has been my impression from my time here.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2013/04/25/falklands-is-about-people-it-is-not-about-rocks-about-people-self-determining-their-future
Boy. I'd take a close look at *his* number plate, who knows what affront might be lurking there.
(57)
Mar 14th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupppp...
That's the chap...
The one representing them Engrish pirates, most affrongtingly squatting on our Malvinas Islands since 1833...
@58
Mar 14th, 2015 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh yeah, that. H833 FKL. That's when your rapists, murderers and mutineers were politely invited to sling their hook by a bloke in a rowing boat. Apparently some people in Argentina are still affronted by that. Two centuries later. Nowt as queer as folk.
Amazing how excitable Argentineans get over Jeremy Clarkson.
Mar 14th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely is a joy to watch though.
48 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 15th, 2015 - 01:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0You really come across as a self-righteous hypocrite.
In spite of saying THIS to me,
@30 ”What proportion? If you can spin “There's a slope on this bridge” whilst the camera is ( pointedly ) framing a Burmese man I can only admire your verbal dexterity and willingness to swallow bullshit, and the same goes for a 6' 5“ middle -aged man reciting ”eny meny miny mo, catch a nigger ( mumbled )“ etc...all the while smirking like a little boy testing his elders as to how much he can get away with.“
you turn around and say,
@30 ”Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not. I don't watch Top Gear for the lads winning personalities. I watch it because it's the only place I know where I... “
Sounds like justifying, or ”rationalising“ to me. Not to mention, hypocritical.
then you go on to laughably condescend,
@30 ”...if you want to know how I can put up with a racist middle-aged oaf invading my TV screen, I've found my remote control is a great ally. It has this cool mute button and can even change channel.“
We know you don't change the channel, you have said you watch it. Would you have us believe that you watch TG with the sound off??
@32 ” I don't ”overlook it”, I just have low expectations and I'm a sucker for lavishly filmed exotic machinery doing stuff that would otherwise get you arrested.“
Not offensive enough, to take exception to it. Hypocrite.
I don't know why you would say,
@30 ”Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not.“
You tell me.
Did you think it made you sound 'impartial' or 'non-judgemental'?
It seems contrary to your calling me out for saying it was out of proportion to fire him, in the context of what else is in the media.
I have already said, repeatedly,
”Like you, I dont need to see JC fired, and I don't need to agree with everything he does or says, to watch the program.“
”I will repeat that I am not condoning his behViour.”
@61 Troy
Mar 15th, 2015 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's like this- at @26 you say: “He wasn't fired because nobody considered his boyish antics or involvement to be of consequence”.
It all depends on how you define 'boyish antics'. If you meant the harmless escapades that characterise an average Top Gear episode - he was never in danger of either censure or receiving a pink slip for any of that anyway. I assumed you would have to be aware of that. So why mention it at all? It's a redundancy. If I had said that, in full awareness of the relevant facts, it would've been dishonest -arguing in bad faith.
If, by 'boyish antics', you meant all the things he WAS in trouble for, racist insults not the least amongst them, then I thought that was something worth challenging. Your statements clarifying what you think about Clarkson haven't made what you originally said any clearer.
“We know you don't change the channel, you have said you watch it.” Nope. Assuming you actually watch the show too you would be aware that the first part is usually devoted towards testing a car which, conveniently for me, is the only part I'm actually interested in. I don't find the 'challenges' or 'investigations' to be engaging enough to tolerate Clarkson's obnoxiousness, and the 'star in a reasonably priced car' lost any appeal after witnessing Clarkson practically drooling over Sienna Miller.
Top Gear is televised here long after it's shown in the U.K. which means that the controversy concerning both the Indian and Burma episodes was already well publicised before arriving here. So I simply didn't watch them.
I grew up in a small country town where 25% of my schoolmates were Aboriginal and my awareness of racism began. The jokes I've heard about Aborigines for much of my life are the foulest racial epithets I've ever witnessed, and will never find a home in any form of entertainment. Clarkson's schoolboy sniggering is of a different order. I have my priorities.
Scoreboard...:
Mar 15th, 2015 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bohr's brightest pupil...: 9
Supermarionation puppet...: 0
62 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 15th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The jokes I've heard about Aborigines for much of my life are the foulest racial epithets I've ever witnessed, and will never find a home in any form of entertainment. Clarkson's schoolboy sniggering is of a different order. I have my priorities.”
Good for you. I quite agree.
Characterise that as “backing down” if it makes you feel better.
I have said, repeatedly, that I do NOT condone racism.
I have also said, I don't think Clarkson should be fired over his boyish antics.
You say, “ Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not.“
How can that be interpreted as anything but, ” I have no strong convictions about his behaviour“, including said ”antics”
Watch it, don't watch it, turn the sound off - that's up to you.
How you reconcile your actions to your values is your own business, but please be honest.
You can't have it both ways.
@63 Think.
Odd that the most blatant racist on MP should be commenting on this item.
I wonder what his convictions are?
@64 Troy
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your claims re my honesty don't hold any water. FYI I also occasionally watch a local programme fronted by a political columnist and presenter whose views I vehemently disagree with. I watch it because sometimes there may be information provided by his guests that could be valuable to me. It doesn't mean I endorse his views, it doesn't mean I am compromising my own values. Those are facts and apply just as much to my interest in Top Gear.
Since you've questioned my honesty lets examine some of your claims.
@39 You say: “I have made my statements and I stand by them”
@29 Your 'statement': Sorry, I see racist and offensive remarks in movies everyday - classified as 'entertainment'.
I challenged that statement vigorously. Your response @39: “There are much other unacceptable statements made in the name of ”entertainment“...” ( I have edited the spelling mistake ). Again I challenged that statement and asked for evidence supporting it. None was forthcoming. Do you still “stand by that statement”? Did you ever even believe it in the first place?
“If they are not fully explained fully enough, too bad”. That doesn't cut it Troy, it's nothing other than a weak cop-out.
@33 In you final paragraph you provide me with some unsolicited advice. My response was a disdainful dismissal to what was clearly irrelevant and a crude deflection. And dishonest. Are you still claiming you know how I might better spend my time?
You've repeatedly claimed that I have implied you condone racism despite my saying otherwise, that I am claiming to be morally superior to you, which I have also denied and provided examples supporting that denial. More dishonesty.
I have responded to your requests questioning my motives for watching Top Gear with forensic detail, you can't even respond to one innocuous enquiry.It really doesn't matter whether you answer it or not though. I already have my answer regarding your commitment to the truth.
Scoreboard...:
Mar 16th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bohr's brightest pupil...: 10
Supermarionation puppet...: 0
This is fun watching Troy wriggle and squirm desperately trying to achieve the upper hand...and failing miserably....
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Give up whilst you're still behind...
Or better still, take some advice from Derke Blake...;-)
Where's my popcorn....it's Troy's serve....
Go, go, Mr. Heisenbergcontext...
Mar 16th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are like the Sock-Puppet I never had...
:-)))
@66 Think
Mar 17th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the interests of full disclosure, I should inform you I got 5% on my physics O Level exam. As fascinating as I find all that quantum stuff most of it's wayyy over my head. I'm really not Nils Bohr's brightest pupil ( lol ).
66-68 Oh, look, the Racist Chorus - principles???
Mar 17th, 2015 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 062 Heisenbergcontext
Get real.
Your whole demeanor from the beginning has been scathing and condescending.
Given that you have predicated all my responses as being unsatisfactory, or “backing down” if I am in agreement with you, and “running away” if I decline to 'explain myself“, I ask you, do you really think I am obligated to expound further?
My 'crime' really seems to be one of omission.
It began with your assertion that the BBC was putting its desire to make 20m pounds, over its obligation to police its own content for racism.
That IS what you meant, right?
I OMITTED to jump on the bandwagon and yell ”hallelujah! - bring down Hell Fire on the BBC!!“
No matter, you repeated it clearly once more @27.
Go back and read carefully, what I said, and how I responded to you in posts 12.15,26, 27, and my final response @29
”I agree with you, “nobody cared” as he brought in so much viewership and £££.“ - very clear.
BE HONEST,
My statements were consistent, throughout, no ”backing down“, but it certainly seems that I did not CONDEMN THEM 'ENOUGH' for your liking.
If the BBC's priorities are unacceptable to you and you feel they MUST held accountable, it is not up to me to prosecute your vendetta for you.
Likewise, you obviously felt that I DID NOT CONDEMN CLARKSON 'ENOUGH' by calling his actions, ”boyish antics“.
see below:
@62 ”“The jokes I've heard about Aborigines for much of my life are the foulest racial epithets I've ever witnessed, and will never find a home in any form of entertainment. CLARKSON'S SCHOOLBOY SNIGGERING IS OF A DIFFERENT ORDER. I have my priorities.”
What part of my response, “I quite agree”, do you not understand?
BE HONEST,
How is “Clarkson's schoolboy sniggering” any different from “boyish antics”?
Again, there is no “backing down” as i have been consistent.
You say, “ Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not.“
Honestly, what's the issue?
Oops, Out of space.
@70 Troy
Mar 17th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Scathing and condescending”. As apposed to sarcastic and insulting?
I didn't predicate all your responses as unsatisfactory - just a few of them. My reference to “backing down” was your inability to sustain an argument. I never used the term 'running away' which makes your uses of quotation marks rather puzzling don't you think? I've never claimed you are obligated to expound on anything - my last two sentences @65 makes that abundantly clear.
BE HONEST
Sure thing. The difference between schoolboy sniggering and boyish antics from my perspective is simply that the former is how I would characterise the behaviour of adolescents learning the power that can come from saying and doing things that are socially frowned upon - dirty jokes, objectifying the opposite gender and yes, isolating those who don't share the same skin colour,are good examples. Ideally they grow out of it.
'Boyish antics', to me, is simply the innocent' playful behaviour that all children hopefully engage in and which, ideally, one never completely grows out of. They are distinctly different forms of behaviour in my mind. Honest enough for you?
The rest of your post is just so much noise IMO and demonstrates, yet again, that you've completely missed the point. I'm happy to acknowledge, if that's what you need, your agreement re the BBC's motives, I acknowledge you don't condone Clarkson's racism. None of that explains what you originally meant by ' boyish antics' which you have studiously, and now conspiciously, avoided answering.
Obviously you're never going to answer. Nor do I care.
71 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 17th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““Scathing and condescending”. As apposed to sarcastic and insulting?”
(should I in turn, correct YOUR spelling, or is that too much nit-picking for you?)
I only replied in kind. YOU set the tone.
In fact, I didnt realise we were having an “argument” until you started getting nasty. Are we going to argue semantics too?
Thank you for defining“boyish antics”for me.
Its even clearer now, that you were playing a game and that it was based on acceptance of racism.
BE HONEST
With your predications, you were/are really hoping to put me in a neat little box.
- If “boyish antics” included racism - then I'm a racist and my answer was morally, unacceptable.
- If “boyish antics” didnt include racism - then I would be “backing down”.
A cheap victory for you if I answer - now its clear why you were so insistent.
Who would anyone play that game?
You are being dishonest in your intent.
I was right to disbelieve your denials on your part. - that is NOT “dishonest” on my part.
I DID say, “I said, ”i dont condone racism“. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?
That did not satisfy you for some reason - As I said, obviously, I didn't denounce Clarkson enough - for your satisfaction.
You said, “Personally I couldn't care whether they fire him or not. I don't watch Top Gear for the lads winning personalities. I watch it because... ”
Like you, I said, ” I dont need to see JC fired, and I dont need to agree with everything he does or says, to watch the program.“
I did not ” back down“.
However, YOU are certainly backpedaling
”Personally, I don't care... Veyrons... “ etc.
became,
“ ...but if you want to know how I can put up with a racist middle-aged oaf invading my TV screen, I've found my remote control is a great ally. It has this cool mute button and can even change channel”
Sounds a little like, “yeah, I smoke pot, but I don't inhale,” or so your Racist Chorus can understand, “ Sure... I go to the orgies, but I never get my dcik wet... ”
out of space...
@72 Troy
Mar 18th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TLDR.
The only thing I can think of worth responding to in that post is if “dcik” means dick...why didn't you just write 'dick'? Is that a Canuck thing? Or do you simply have a seriously outre sense of humour?
73 Heisen
Mar 18th, 2015 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wanted to be absolutely certain there was no reason for my post to be deleted.
“TLDR”?
@65 Heisen
”I challenged that statement vigorously. Your response @39: “There are much other unacceptable statements made in the name of ”entertainment“...” ( I have edited the spelling mistake ). Again I challenged that statement and asked for evidence supporting it. None was forthcoming. Do you still “stand by that statement”? Did you ever even believe it in the first place?“
Let me ask YOU a question.
Do you really believe there is nothing more offensive or disturbing in media than Top Gear?
You seem to have ”dropped“ a few things along the way, also.
As to my ”crude attempt at deflection ” - my comments were in fact quite relevant, in that they show you up as a hypocrit.
While you are ballyhooing your noble indignation at the disgusting racism against the Aboriginal people of Austrslia, and relentlessly pursuing me for a perceived lack of moral fortitude and latent racism, I haven't seen you challenging the consistent racism of characters like Think, Voice, Stevie, and others, ranging from the casual and insidious, to the overt.
If you are standing on principle, it's a glaring inconsistency that lends question to your integrity.
You have all the appearance of being a self-righteous hypocrite.
Mate, you make me laugh. I know you don't even believe any of that nonsense yourself! There's not a shred of sincerity in any of it. You can't tell the truth, your arguments have no substance, you take no responsibility for what you write and your comprehension skills are seriously lacking.
Mar 19th, 2015 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0It took me awhile to deconstruct what was going on in your demented skull. Of course you'd never support Clarkson's racist excess's - your sense of what you can get away with in this environment is too acute. What your really protecting isn't your principles - it's your giant, yet fragile ego.
Which is why I have infinitely more respect for the Conquerors of the world, because at least they actually believe in SOMETHING. At least they have the courage of their convictions. At least they take the risk of being disliked. You never risk anything do you? And you only pick safe targets don't you?
The only reason you've been able to get away with this for so long is because you've figured out how to tell people exactly what they want to hear - effusive flattery being your main 'technique'. It's hilarious watching you trying to imitate the people you most want to like you...and failing. Your endless neediness is obvious and sad, it's what you're willing to do just to get the digital equivalent of a pat on the back that's so contemptible.
I have zero respect for you, which is why I could care less what you say about me. It's not me that's keeping secrets...
75 Heisenbergcontext (#)
Mar 19th, 2015 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not a lying self righteous, judgemental, bullsh!tter like you.
If I just wanted to be popular on here and roll over, I would' ve just unthinkingly knuckled under to whatever you told me.
The fact that I stood up to you, the condescending, self-appointed moralist, kinda blows your theory to pieces.
It pisses you off that after I called you out on your attempts to set me up,
I didn't let you slip out with some face-saving weak humour about my spelling of your penis.
You've done a good job of showing everyone what a hypocrite you are.
You'll watch what you like, on your own terms, but you DEMAND others (actually, me) cannot do so without being branded as racist or morally bereft.
Who the fcuk do you think you are that you think you can DICTATE what I do or do not watch?
Who the Fcuk do you think you are, that we must answer to you, or seek your approval?
Why did you throw in the gratuitous prejudice against Aboriginals story?
I am sorry if you have endured racial hatred from others.
It does not make you a special case that you can adopt a 'holier than thou' attitude, and judge people you don't know.
Nobody is obligated to account for themselves to you, but if you want to accuse me of being a racist, come out and do so directly, instead of game playing.
Is the source for all your indignation indeed about race,?
If so, I cannot understand why you consort so freely with Think and Voice, the two most overt racists on MP, while on the next post, insinuating that I am 'not being truthful' about my supposed racism.
It defies logic. It questions your integrity.
I respect you less than Voice, but at least you can't say I'm pandering to either of you.
Lol. Behold... the Dean of Deflection has spoken. Btw Troy TLDR stands for too long, didn't read. Being such a hip dude I figured you'd know what it meant. My bad.
Mar 19th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0You never for a moment thought I was racist, did you?
Mar 19th, 2015 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your problem with me was just that - your problem.
You have a big chip on your shoulder.
Keep playing the Race card - it must make you feel good in your own little man's way, to run people down.
Enjoy!
Haha Troy...Heisenberg has your number....
Mar 19th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....how many times have I told you that you are just a sycophant that sucks up to folk making comments that you think will be favoured by the rest of the pack....
There was me thinking I was the only one that could see through your fickle facade...
You daren't even call CD when he is trashing your beloved Brits....;-)))
Carry on picking on your safe bets...
You have been weighed.
You have been measured.
And you have absolutely...
Been found wanting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdhQWkTl1PQ
79 i am just a_voice
Mar 19th, 2015 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh, I'm flattered you put a lot of effort into thinking about me.
You saved me the trouble of saying that you and “Heisenbergcontext” whatever that means, are very much alike.
You both have a massive chip on your shoulders, and need to 'prove' yourselves by putting down others.
I will say that “a_voice from the Outback” doesn't need as much attention from us as you do.
He is certainly less truthful about his own motives, though.
I put you both down as jealous, and bitter that you feel unaccepted.
I laugh at you both, that every day is soured for you.
@80
Mar 19th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troy - face it buddy, you're not the brightest star in the firmament. Taking you seriously could give a man heartburn so I'll settle for the laughs.
Btw Troy I've always wanted to ask you - do you, like , wear a cape when you hit the keyboard? You know - when you morph into Super Troy to bring hellfire down upon on all those evil trolls. To like, get into character?
It's ok though, I don't expect you to tell me. Super hero's have to have their secrets...
81
Mar 19th, 2015 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, look, Mother Superior!
Pot calling the kettle, black.
82
Mar 19th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tut tut...I did warn you to give up whilst you were still behind...
Now you've been made to look a fool...exposed and the object of derision...
Apart from one half hearted attempt from Skip, I didn't notice anyone flocking to support you...where is Derke Blake when you need him...in the sock drawer perhaps...;-)
The problems is Troy...nobody likes a sycophant...
You are the guy that waits for others to comment on a story to gauge how you should comment...
You are easily read....
83
Mar 19th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody seems to back up Heisenbergvontext - except you, a hateful, proud racist, and noted liar.
You'll jump on any bandwagon that gives you attention.
Just emulating your MO....what does it feel like having someone chipping in on the side of your argument...telling you how badly you are losing...;-))
Mar 19th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then going onto other threads to tell everyone how you are taking a beating...
Not nice is it...learn dear boy learn....
85 i am just a_voice
Mar 19th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice try - you're fooling nobody.
you have long ago set a precedent of goading and provoking people to get them to respond to you.
i don't know what you would do without us on here.
oh, wait - yes i do, contrive a 'road rage' incident, or take it out on pensioners.
If you think I'm trying to fool somebody I suggest you look at your recent history and see how many times you have done this...
Mar 19th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then check mine to see if I have been doing the same...I provoke people one on one or en-masse not hiding behind another.
Do you want me to show you how many times you have...?...;-)
I say... what I think...
You say... what you hope will be approved...
That's the difference...It is you that seeks approval...It is you that NEEDS approval..
I don't give a crap what other folk think....
Who wants to be mister popular....yeah Troy check out the mirror...;-)
voice,
Mar 19th, 2015 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your recent history?
you know full well you have been MIA for awhile - incarcerated again??
For the past 2 or 3 years that you have existed as “just a voice” on MP, your role as “Think's” new scottish sidekick, has been solely to distract and antagonise other posters with remarks designed to offend, and
gross racist insults.
Yeah, I'll call you on it.
Contrast that to your worst criticism of me, the self-interested opinion of a spiteful racist.
Please continue to lend your 'moral' support to the hypocrite, Heisen
- it does wonders for his own self-righteous credibility.
You hate
yeah let's call you on it....
Mar 19th, 2015 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Show me one racist post from me....and don't even bother with Carrot Tops...they are not a race....
Just some evidence of racism on my part....
I'm waiting....
Prove yourself boy....or forever hold your piece...which is most likely given that's all you've ever had....
@89 Voice
Mar 20th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol. He always overreaches doesn't he? If he wasn't such a nasty piece of work I would actually feel sorry for him.
90 Heisenbergcontext
Mar 20th, 2015 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Easily manipulated too...always predictable...
It's like having my very own Supermarionation puppet...;-)
...and some SERIOUS projection issues...
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