MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
U.S. should back the Falkland Islanders’ Right of Self-Determination at the Summit of the Americas
By Luke Coffey and Nile Gardiner, Ph. D. (*)
The Organization of American States (OAS) will hold the seventh Summit of the Americas in Panama City, Panama, on April 10–11, 2015. In the past, Canada has been alone in supporting the Falkland Islanders’ right of self-determination in the OAS. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWell....put like that I wholeheartedly agree. Only a fool could believe the Falkland Islands are anything else but British sovereign territory.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0A sterling piece of work; up front and said as it should be said. Good to have two “speak your mind” and “say as it is” supporters on side, and alongside Canada. Hopefully FIG and its MLAs will write a letter of thanks! The Falklands needs access to such opportunities to present and or state its case. Great piece of work. Thank you.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0I remember the bellicose statements coming from the US after 9/11. US politicians on TV shouting “you are either with us or against us”.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fair enough, we stood with with them and our small island contributed more than any other country in the war on terror. We have stood with them on many other ventures, when probably sometimes we shouldn't have. Our intelligence agencies are closer than any other two countries on the planet and they themselves use OUR overseas territories as military bases, including Diego Garcia, which we get so much flack about.
Yet when it comes to the Falkland Islands they remain quiet and not wishing to be seen to side with us, when their own country came about through the founding principles of self-determination, they don't extend that principle to others. The UK left it's colonial past behind many years ago and our remaining overseas territories democratically CHOOSE to remain British. This should be supported by the US.
We are the friend that the US does not deserve.
Elementary, my dear Watson,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
Since the 80's the Americans have remained non-committal. That's not going to change.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0A fair ,reasonable and honourable request from Mr Coffey.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and who the fuck are these two twats?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the ones in charge of brainwashing the tiny brains of the benny-hillbillies?
like one of these twats said before:
“Obama administration not neutral on Falkland Islands
Far from remaining neutral, under Obama’s leadership the U.S. has started backing Argentina’s calls for Falklands talks”
maybe these twats should read the monroe doctrine to realize that england has nothing to do in south or north america.
The Monroe Doctrine? You really need to stop living in the past, the Monroe Doctrine is dead and buried as confirmed by the USA in 2013.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 08
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0living in the past?
says a guy who is ruled by a viceroy, elected by a 200 year old queen and who is an advocate of the treaty of utrecht?
LOL
The USA isn't going to change its stance. In the end we will always support the UK even if Odumbo doesn't want to his had would be forced by public opinion.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The people of the USA know that the UK is one of our strongest allies and hopefully it will always be so.
Respecting Treaties is not one of Argentina's strong points is it?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0britparasite
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Fair enough, we stood with with them and our small island contributed more than any other country in the war on terror. We have stood with them on many other ventures, when probably sometimes we shouldn't have. Our intelligence agencies are closer than any other two countries on the planet and they themselves use OUR overseas territories as military bases, including Diego Garcia, which we get so much flack about”
but that is called boot-licking.
or ass-kissing.
nobody respect that shite.
as they say, an image says more than 1000 words
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-b43V2ajzcm8/UiIf6iVEqkI/AAAAAAAB2No/lEhQKEMt_Qw/s1600/obama-lapdog.jpg
The other day the Queen was 300!
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No she is 200. Wow must be thanks to awesome British healthcare.
So now paulie wants to see a return to the Monroe Doctrine?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The boy is not only confused, but way behind the times.
Also the article clearly states who the authors are and gives enough background for an advanced internet search on them.
But no, lazy paulie only turns up to throw impotent insults.
Destined to remain forever a mere window-licker.
Bit pathetic really.
@12
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could look at it that way, but you come from a very young country with little in the way of brains.
The UK owed the US a gratitude of debt after WW2, not just us, but the whole of Europe and much of the outside world. The UK honours it's debts and we have proven time and time again that we will support and stand with the US and have done on many many occasions.
In my view the intimidation of the Falkland Islanders by Argentina will continue. You are a very stupid country, you are going to push and push and push until we forced to kick your arse again.
At which point the US will have to get down off the fence. It might be sensible that they take Nile Gardner and Luke Coffey's advice before it reaches that point.
12. That posts shows how little you understand the deep alliance and respect the USA and UK have for each other.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It probably has to do with your poor education and the lack of honor you have in your Society.
@7 Paulie
Apr 09th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are a couple of points to do with the Monroe Doctrine that you really ought to be aware of:
1) The doctrine only ever applied to new settlements, not existing claims (like the reasonably large chunk of the Caribbean that was part of the British Empire until most of it voted for independence), Belize and the Falkland Islands.
2) When the doctrine was written the US really didn't have the ability to even try and enforce it without the support of at least one of the European powers. Can you guess which of those powers was the one most responsible for enforcing it?
Lol!
Apr 09th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rufus, don't try using facts. That only confuses him as it doesn't sit well with what his Govt taught him.
Offer facts and his eyes swivel and his head starts to wobble. ..
Foolish people. Obama has no loyalty to anyone other than to himself and his own self preservation.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's one reason above all others that the USA should support the Falklands right to self-determination: it's the right thing to do.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The four bullet points in the article are the unvarnished and undeniable truth. Given our support for the USA's more controversial actions of late, the least they could do is support our actions to uphold the rights of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands.
20 I agree, so much so I am going to write John Kerry later today.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trivia question:
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why isn't German the official language in the United Kingdom?
@7. Pablo the Perv. Typical uneducated argie slob. Argieland's illegitimate 'claim' appears to depend on the Inter caetera papal bull from 522 years ago, a Castilian/Portuguese treaty from 521 years ago that no-one else accepted, and now a 'doctrine' from 192 years ago. A period during the world seems to have changed a trifle. But it suits the slob's purpose.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Monroe Doctrine said that the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries. Here's a timeline of U.S. military operations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations#1820.E2.80.931829
Who wants to count through American military interventions that should have been covered by the Monroe Doctrine? Start with 1824 and the landing in Puerto Rico. 1831-32. Falkland Islands. 1854. Nicaragua. And so it goes on.
@8. Correct!!
@9. Twat! Do you know the difference between a viceroy and a governor? And the Governor of the Falkland Islands has the power to do what? Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is 88 years young. and is so much better looking than that slag you grovel to.
@10. The USA should know that the UK is the USA's STRONGEST ally. Remember the beginning of the 'War on Terror'? Wasn't that a Brit going round with George W as his 'carer'? Want to continue to be one of our allies? Think what argieland would do to the Falkland Islands. The armed troops on every street corner, the murders, the rapes, the thefts, the deportations. The crap everywhere for the Islanders to wade through. The re-planted minefields. And America can happily ignore the rights of 2,932 peaceful people? Threatened by megalomaniacs!
@12. Oh goody. Boot-licking because the Russkis love that. The Chinks prefer ass-licking. So do Iranians. How fortunate for all three that they've found a 'country' that loves doing it all. And they'll all enjoy ramming an argie butt. Pablo the Perv can't wait!
Trivia question 2
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why isn't German the official language of the USA? (and it very nearly was!)
24. Yes, without the material support and troops from the UK we couldn't have driven back the German invasions of Alabama.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@25
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha! You don't know much about US history then?
Try going back a bit further. .. The Founding Fathers debated heavily on what the official language might be. German was a major contender. That was to what I was referring.
Wanna come round and teach my granny to suck eggs? She would not fallen for that one, haha!
Revisionist.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But for 400,000 Yankees London would be . . .
@22 Why isn't German the official language in the United Kingdom?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because even down the barrel of a Nazi gun we Brits wouldn't have been up for learning another language!
I guess your point was that we won WW2 with the help of the US (and Russia in fairness) which is not something we will ever forget. When push comes to shove we stick together. Nevertheless, it is curious that the US leans slightly towards Argentina with regards the FI, when it gets only grief in return; plus its position is pro-colonial i.e. the transfer of sovereignty against the wishes of the inhabitants. Right now would be a good time to get itself out of this inconsistency without hurting its relations with Argentina i.e. without making them any worse than Argentina has already chosen them to be.
... a lot less full of overweight tourists this summer!!!
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 028. “Nevertheless, it is curious that the US leans slightly towards Argentina with regards the FI, when it gets only grief in return”
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Concur.
The US executive has always been flawed and distorted by commercial issues.
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ilsen:
http://www.us-english.org/view/295
7 paulcedron
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“read the monroe doctrine to realize that england has nothing to do in south or north america.” Wrong yet again, you must think people are as stupid as you. Are you always an idiot or just when I'm around?
“Argentina also protested to the United States, claiming the British action violated the Monroe doctrine, and demanded American intervention.US Secretary of State Thomas F. Bayard, however, maintained that, since the British claim to the Falklands predated the Monroe doctrine, the US did not consider the Monroe doctrine as having any application”
A. Bushnell Hart, The Monroe doctrine, An Interpretation 105-06 (1916) http://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2402&context=ndlr
@ 30 chronic,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0aahhh! you finally remembered on which thread to post your response, without any guidance from those that invented your Mother-tongue!
Well done, old sport!
good link though, great riposte.
I stand corrected. (but it was fun!)
@31 Terence Hill
I have warned others about this. Don't confuse him with facts. His tongue swells up, he drools, shakes and then the random insults start to fly.
You give him well-sourced historical facts, and he will accuse you of being overweight and flatulant, but in much coarser language.
Would be nice if USA came down off the fence and stuck to its own principles and constitution about rights of peoples etc - but - reality is in International Politics - Countries have to ask themselves -
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this going to be worth it?
Ok they would be a nice thankyou from London - well they already have pretty good relations with UK anyway so nothing much to gain.
They would get lots of little thankyous from us in the Falklands - reality is that would not actually be of material benefit to USA.
On the negative side they woulkd get a lot of lak and probabale loss of trade/business etc etc fromArgentina - so they have to add that up - probabaly not worth much just know
So it could be interesting to see what USA does - won,t hold my breath though!
Poor little Paulie- when was there last a “Viceroy” somewhere Paul - maybe in India about 100yrs a ago?
Also please look up the day to day powers the the Governor of the Falklands has over the laws and Customs of the Islands - answer is very very little as he has NO vote in the Assembly where laws are made that govern the Islands.
That is the trouble with these would be Argentine Colonial masters - they are so behind the times.
Just a trivial contribution to the debate - the UK use now “showing its teeth” - at last! The trolly dolly is in trouble!
Apr 09th, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11525021/Argentine-ambassador-questioned-at-Foreign-Office-in-Falklands-defence-row.html
31 imbecile
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what happens?
are you nervous because papa obama will not take care of you?
pathetic english wannabe.
it seems without the u.s. watching their back, the 3rd class plebs are less than nothing.
“Special relationship is over, MPs say. Now stop calling us America's poodle
Barack Obama not sentimental about UK and 'sharp elbows' needed to secure British interests”
they dont want to be called america´s poodle...lol
32. ilsen: ”@ 30 chronic, aahhh! you finally remembered on which thread to post your response, without any guidance from those that invented your Mother-tongue! Well done, old sport! good link though, great riposte.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I stand corrected. (but it was fun!)“
I'm not your ”sport“ and you weren't ”corrected”. You were caught trying to perpetrate a lie. I take note of this.
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http://www.us-english.org/view/295
@36
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear boy, enjoy your note-taking. lol!
I shall seek my sport elsewhere...
;-)
31 & (32 @31)
Yep, he proved my point entirely. The drool, the spittle, the bile, the insults.
(and of course shot himself in the foot regarding the 'poodle' comment)
all so utterly, tiresomely predictable....
35 paulcedron
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“are you nervous because papa obama will not take care of you” I'm not and neither are the Brits, as historically they have shown their more than capable of taking care of them-selves. Moreover, Obama will soon be a foot-note of history as his time in office is rapidly coming to an end. Still trying to dislodge your foot from your mouth after your gaff over the Monroe Doctrine.
37.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.us-english.org/view/295
The revelations of Edward Snowden, through 'The Intercept', shown a massive electronic espionage directed against Argentina. Under this activities, the actions were carried forward due to growing international pressure to peacefully solve the sovereignty dispute over the islands (but not against any militar risk).
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Such actions violate the right to privacy as set forth in resolutions 68/167 and 69/166 of the United Nations General Assembly.
Both resolutions emphasize that 'surveillance and illegal or arbitrary interception of communications and the unlawful or arbitrary collection of personal data, constitute acts of gross intrusion, violate the rights to privacy and freedom of expression and can be contrary to the precepts of democratic societies.
40. “due to growing international pressure to peacefully solve the sovereignty dispute over the islands”
Apr 09th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0huh?
The only growing pressure is for “them” to pay their debts.
@40 pgerman
Apr 09th, 2015 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Given Argentina's past record of being a belligerent country that has already tried to steal the Falklands from their true and native owners, and its continuing belligerent attitude, you can bet your bottom dollar that the UK is keeping its eyes on Argentina.
Argentina would invade the Falklands in a flash if the British military weren't there to protect the islanders. We know this because YOUR government has constantly said they would.
The 'we only want peace' so 'remove your defences' government are ON RECORD of stating that they would invade again IF the British forces were removed.
I wouldn't trust an Argentine government official even if they said water was wet.
And no, pgerman, there ISN'T growing international pressure for a resolution to a sovereignty dispute. It was resolved on 12 June 1982. You should stop listening to La Campora propaganda.
It's made up, just like the Junta's was in 1982 when they kept 'sinking' HMS Invincible, and were 'slaughtering' the British, and were on the cusp of victory...right up until you SURRENDERED.
End of dispute.
But if you wish we can go for round 2. This time no amount of US begging on Argentina's behalf would stop the UK from bombing Argentina's military assets (what's left of them) into slag.
40 pgerman
Apr 09th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get a grip. 'Argentina' is not a private entity and this isn't about personal data. And no-one's right to personal freedom of expression has been infringed. You can say whatever you like. Just expect someone to be listening if what you are saying pertains to the UK's national security.
I agree with everything these two Argentine haters have to say about the Falklands and the like, the first three bullet points, EXCEPT the last one:
Apr 09th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...Call for an end to Argentine provocations. The outbursts of anti-British actions in Argentina and the climate of coercion of lawful commerce run contrary to U.S. norms of behavior and America’s political and commercial interests. The U.S. should condemn this escalating series of intimidations and threats.”
This statement after these two, for the entire paragraph above, stated they are for SELF-DETERMINATION. Yet here they are, asking that another country DEMAND that another country stop doing something WITHIN their own borders.
So Argentines I guess don't have the right to self-determination, Mr. Coffey and Gardiner?
Basically you are calling for other countries to FORCE Argentina, and Argentines, to allow British commerce, passport holders, etc. to do business or be in Argentina, against our will. We don't want that, that is why we are doing things to get you to get the f--- out of here. We have the right to “anti-British outbursts in Argentina”... or no? I guess now we know how double-sided your standards are.
As I always say, typical Anglos.
44. W(hy)TF can't Stupid Rgs understand the definition of Self Determination??
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0self-determination
[self-di-tur-muh-ney-shuh n, self-]
noun
1.
determination by oneself or itself, without outside influence.
2.
freedom to live as one chooses, or to act or decide without consulting another or others.
3.
the determining by the people of the form their government shall have, without reference to the wishes of any other nation, especially by people of a territory or former colon
HTF does that have anything to do with what you posted?
@45
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be mentally nugatory if you don't see how your points 1. and 2. (WITHOUT OUTSIDE INFLUENCE) (TO LIVE AS ONE CHOOSEES), does not clearly address Argentina's right to choose who and with whom it has dealings with inside its territory (i.e. Ushuaia, Buenos Aires, and other ports)
#42 LEPRecon
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm shocked that governmental agencies would be involved with any “...surveillance and illegal or arbitrary interception of communications and the unlawful or arbitrary collection of personal data...”
You don't think any Latin American nations are also involved in this immoral skulduggery???
46. Whom is the outside influence you are referring to?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dig yourself deeper you stupid moron.
Dig yourself deeper.
Obviously, you have no argument. These two are calling for Argentina to be forced to accept British activities within Argentine territory. Thus, they are two typical Anglo-supremacists (Neil Gardiner exhibit A, he believes nothing good every came out of any human being or nation that was not Anglo), who are for self-determination for some, but not for others.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if Neil Gardiner is for self-determination of southern NorthAmoan states, or of Northeast NorthAmoan US states.
So opinion writers?
Apr 09th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what you're going with?
That's who's keeping Argentina from its ”self determination?
Typical Fascist attitude that no one should have an opinion but the great leader?
Your education is an embarrassment.
@34. I want to know why Castro wasn't stripped, beaten and whipped.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35. Figured the number of British nuclear warheads ready to drop on your shitheap. Here's the way it works. Every British-built assembly includes 12 MIRV warheads. Each warhead is up to 100 kilotons. 16 missiles per submarine. 4 submarines. Can you do the maths? 1,200 kilotons. 19,200 kilotons. 76,800 kilotons. Are you ready to DIE? Just in case you don't know. The U.S. has no say on British nuclear missiles. Or maybe we'll drop a couple on the White House.
@40. So? Annihilate argieland!
@44. Argieland has to DIE!
@46. Argieland has to DIE!
@49. Argieland has to DIE!
255 British servicemen unavenged!
You guys should not feed the brainwashed argy robots, it’s a waste of time,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They know the truth, but prefer to live a lie and just annoy the brits.
Still, that’s up to them,
Back in real world,
The UN could almost end this crap in one day,
Merely recognise the Falkland’s right to self determination
Accept the referendum, and call on Argentina to leave them alone,
And recognise the Falkland’s sovereignty.
But they wont,,,why ?
The Americans also could do the same, recognise the right of the islanders, and back sovereignty.
And utterly condemn Argentina,
And state, they will back the islanders against anyone,
Just like Obama has just stated with Israel
But he won’t, why ?.
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Am thinking now might be a good time to send an additional destroyer and two submarines to the South Atlantic.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few more Typhoons wouldn't go amiss either.
after reading the comment of 51, you can understand why they say that these benny-hillbillies have the intelligence of a dead slug.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0genetic aberrations they are.
Will someone please explain to me why there are so many Argentine citizens living and working in the United Kingdom? Other than the sportsmen who come here on short term contracts and who are very popular here - Marcelo Bosch, the rugby player is an example as are Gonzalo Camacho and Marcos Ayerza of Leicester Tigers.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gordo lanza-gases
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0wot?
how many argentines are living in england?
1000, 2000 at the most.
if that is so many for you, what about the 200.000 englanders that live here?
or the +/- 1 million who live in spain?
or the 500.000 who live in italy, france and the list goes on and on?
it seems the english do not like england too much.
@53
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's really a good idea and then ask your authorities to send the bill to your account so you can pay for it. Once Conqueror promissed us to send your PM a letter urging for more “defense” forces but he did not want to commit any additional money to the government from his account.
You know: “taxes are mandatory but donations are voluntary”
@55
Marcelo Bosch, Gonzalo Camacho and Marcos Ayerza are great players...do you want to get them out of the UK? You might try to replace them with chilean rugby players...or islander ones...who knows
40 pgerman
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“electronic espionage directed against Argentina.” Belligerent countries have no claim to privacy, as the UK's counter claim would undoubtably be an act of “precautionary self-defence”. “growing international pressure to peacefully solve the sovereignty dispute” even if it existed it doesn't rise above political none-binding advisements. As the UK's position is carefully ensconced within international law to wit: “there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”. Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie
@34. Good grief. CFK looks like a drag queen. Doesn't she have a best friends to tell her to lay off the heavy eyeliner at her age? Not that it has anything to do with her inability to govern but she really is a shocker.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#59 Elaine
Apr 09th, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Honestly, do you think her “BGF”would be that brave?
#34, #59: When CFK tries to talk/ramble on about taking account of the interests of the people that live on the Falklands, when she's just called them squatters. You would not trust her lying ways ever.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Plus, she should know that no UN resolutions are in breach and the Referendum does matter as per UN Rights of self-determination.
Argentina is NOT wanted, get the hint!
She even looks worn out spouting her lies all the time. She's the one who wants to colonize, steal the oil for herself no doubt.
The Falklands are British, despite Argentina's provocations. This needs to be stated loud & clear for Argentina to get the message.
I keep reading on here people saying “The US should support...” The truth is the VAST majority of Americans are pro British. Americans on the whole recognize the Special Relationship and are grateful for our closest ally. Especially those of us who had the pleasure to serve alongside our UK allies in the US military in Iraq and Afghanistan. Our two countries share intelligence and military assets on an unprecedented scale, probably more so than any other two countries in world history. So be clear its not the United States that doesn't support you. It's the Obama administration which doesn't. Since his first month in office when he returned the Churchill bust that had been displayed in the White House he has shown a virulent dislike for anything British. However, thankfully, he will be gone in a little less then two years. And hopefully our friendship will be publicly prominent once more, regardless of which party wins the election. Obama is an aberration to our long friendship. He'll be gone soon. Then our Special Relationship will be back on track once more......
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chronic,
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Trivia Question.
Why isn't French the official language of the USA?
57
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These would be sensible precautions remembering what happened last time and the task force that had to be assembled in order to defeat the Argentine invaders and rectify matters in 1982.
Not to mention the 255 UK servicemen and 3 Falkland Islanders who died in the process. A very high cost indeed.
The additional deterrent on station and ready for action would likely make the Argentine President think again. Of course if she decided to follow the example of the 1982 Facists then increased casualties could be inflicted on the invader providing priceless time for additional troops and equipment to be flown to the Islands.
Defending British sovereignty is the first duty of any UK Government and will take priority over any expensive foreign adventure like Iraq or Afghanistan.
@40 pgerman
Apr 09th, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Being a historian and all, perhaps you'd care to explain why the UK (or indeed anybody else) should be willing to trust the PPRA?
Guys and Gals'.
Apr 09th, 2015 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with the USA is the Prez!
He hates the Brits because we 'hurt' his Muslim Dad and he can't get over it.
He will be gone soon and hopefully normal US / UK relations will resume.
He has been an utter failure as the first black US President (and all of us had such high hopes) and has retreated into his past, that's all there is to it. :o(
22
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Trivia question:
“Why isn't German the official language in the United Kingdom?”
Answer: ....Germany didn't exist when English became the official language of the UK.
...but the Angles did exist as one of the Germanic tribes and Anglish (English) became the official language...
Trivia question
Why isn't English the official language of the USA....
67. Poor trolls. The US doesn't have a “official language”. Go scrape and dig and try to find otherwise. LOL.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 063 lsolde
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think I luffs you!
heehee!
That was funny.
*chortle*
ooh, look, even Voice couldn't resist a sly dig! @67, (and a knowledgable one too!)
What have I started? (or actually Chronic did, with his original “Trivia Question 1”...)
ooh, what japes!
:-)
68
Apr 10th, 2015 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid boy....suckered you into that one....
Boy oh boy are you slow....
....or did you think I didn't know that English isn't the official language of the US....;-)))))
...a Southern Yankee Redneck...what else did I expect....
*giggles*
Apr 10th, 2015 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't sure they had a 'language' ... I thought it was still in the 'development stage'...
Anyone interested in the fate of the Islanders, not even to UK, less to the US..! So just go to whimper to another side..!
Apr 10th, 2015 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@72
Apr 10th, 2015 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0What?
That didn't make any sense.
Maybe you would like to try again?
Is your 'language' in the ''developmental stage' also?
Ah yes, the Heritage Foundation. The Heritage Foundation is to the British what AIPAC is to Israel. It is a foreign lobbying body dedicated to undermining and attacking the US.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0For some inexplicable reason the British appear to believe that the US owes them something. But they need to understand that the US has never owed, does not owe and will never owe the UK anything at all other than may be codified by treaty. Conversely the UK and the rest of Europe owe the US and America everything. At those times that Europe recognizes its tributary status US - European relations are good and they are not so good when Europe tries to ignore its natural subservient position.
I often hear UK government officials refer to the supposed “special relationship”. As a client state the UK may consider that it has such a relationship but the US is a great power and great powers do not have “special relationships”. John Foster Dulles may have said “the US has no friends, only interests” and Henry Kissinger certainly did. And had George Washington said it it would have been true then. US independence is the cornerstone of US foreign policy.
The US policy WRT the Malvinas and other similar situations is longstanding. And it will not change. This is especially true since the US understands that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years and it is not the habit of the US to back losers.
74.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0nice 'cut-and-paste' effort there. You took a random 'blog-post' to justify your opinions...
Do you have any of your own opinions? Or do you just randomly steal them from the Internet?
And you talk of the Heritage Foundation as being anti-American?
The Heritage Foundation states;
“Founded in 1973, The Heritage Foundation is a research and educational institution—a think tank—whose mission is to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense.”
http://www.heritage.org/about
yet Hepatia claims; “It is a foreign lobbying body dedicated to undermining and attacking the US.”
Also, nowhere on its website does it state that it is 'anti-UK'.
Need I say more?
Hepatia is beyond help, total bat-shit crazy.
@69 ilsen,
Apr 10th, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you,
You have such good taste.! lol!
@75 ilsen,
l don't bother with Hepatia anymore.
lts obvious to see by his/her posts that he/she hates us & therefore could never see any good in anything that we do.
lt is impossible to have a rational debate with the idiot.
So if you treat a man like a scoundrel, he will act like a scoundrel.
A few years(?)back, it was crowing how the Latinos would soon take over the USA,
So, l suspect that its an Argentine living in the US,
And this “within 25 years” whine is just whistling in the wind.
l've visited the US many times & although there are people who think like Hepatia, most of the people that l know & have met are either pro-British or indifferent to the Falkland dispute.
l have no doubt that there are plenty of people who are proRG, but thats a democracy.
Anyway enough about our dear friend.
@ 68 chronic,
You haven't answered the question.
Perhaps you can't or perhaps you don't want to admit it.
So l'll ask again.
Why isn't French the official language of the USA?
Don't just check Wikipeadia & read some other books as well as American ones.
Waiting in breathless anticipation for your answer.
Cheers, lsolde
@75 Hepatia
Apr 10th, 2015 - 09:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where you get this idea that the US isn't in the habit of backing losers. It's backed loads of them from the Shah of Iran to Nguyen Van Thieu to Chiang Kai Chek to any number of shit for brains LatAm military dictators.
The main reason why USA does not back UK with the 2013 referendum is because USA is claiming Antartic territory that overlaps with UK interest in Antartic. It is show how little you know about the isue Malvinas
Apr 10th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Es un placer leer que se consideran sudamericanos!!!
Apr 10th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Saludos
The other day, the foreign office called in the argy ambassador,
Apr 10th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yesterday, after crying and sobbing in rage all night,
CFK ordered the British ambassador in for questioning,
never one to be left out is she.
@54. Oh no, we Brits are far above the intelligence level of argies. Through constant injections of botox, chemicals, whoremones, you argies don't realise that you're slugs. And dead.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@56. Far too many. Come to think of it, 1 would be too many.
@57. Your initial comment is a lie. Not least because proper human people say 'defence'.
@62. Really? Aren't you supposed to have something in America called 'democracy'? Perhaps if you and your neighbours got off your butts and went to see your Congressman/Senator in person? Do you mean that when Obama welcomes his 'buddy' David Cameron, he's lying. Would he prefer thicko Milipede? I count 18 wars where the United Kingdom allied itself with the United States and fought alongside you.
And the number of conflicts where the United States allied itself with the United Kingdom? And turned up late?
Yep, we know the United States provided satellite intelligence and offered the USS Iwo Jima in 1982. And how long for the Iwo Jima to be crewed and sail to the Falklands? 10 days? Not long ago, your Defense Secretary, greeting our Defence Secretary, for a meeting about destroying ISIL, was heard to say, 'Thank God, you're in this with us'. Maybe our attitude should be 'The Falklands or leave us out.” And maybe we won't want your combat aircraft either. I read. Do you? Back in WW2, you finally joined in after we'd been fighting for 3 years. And wanted to take charge. Even though you didn't have a clue what you were doing. We tried, through advising you on convoys, coastal blackouts and bombing methods, to keep you alive. And what do you do? You kill our troops. Because your gung-ho part-timers just love that button.
'Thank God, you're in this with us'. Maybe our attitude should be 'The Falklands or leave us out.”
Apr 10th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems reasonable to me.
@80
Apr 10th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thankfully, a lot of guys in the USA would disagree with Obama, but for Obama's benefit I would agree, plus the UK should mention, no backing for the Falkland Islanders? OK, leave Ascension Island and Diego Garcia.
74 Hepatia
Apr 10th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The US policy WRT the Malvinas and other similar situations is longstanding. And it will not change.” As you have confirmed to wit: “Argentina also protested to the United States, claiming the British action violated the Monroe doctrine, and demanded American intervention. US Secretary of State Thomas F. Bayard, however, maintained that, since the British claim to the Falklands predated the Monroe doctrine, the US did not consider the Monroe doctrine as having any application”
A. Bushnell Hart, The Monroe doctrine, An Interpretation 105-06 (1916)
http://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2402&context=ndlr
@79
Apr 10th, 2015 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uhhh...yeah....are you commenting on my post about how people should differentiate between traditional American support for the Uk versus the current administration's lack of support for the UK? Your points were rambling nonsense if you were disputing what I said......You really have an anti-American chip on your shoulder in most of your posts. What a shame....
43 how do you know ???
Apr 10th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0anyway its very very strange the association of clarinete and brits spying news.... like el malvinense says......
The US has nothing to gain by formally coming down off the fence over the Falklands, and the UK has no need for US support at this time. US “neutrality” is in any case a vote of support for the status quo. Nothing to see here, people.
Apr 10th, 2015 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is really amazing how the british government made you lot like dumb animals that thinks the US should back britain for being allies!!!.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Instead, i was hoping that you british claim for US support in the hope for justice, or for a just cause, not becouse you helped them out in Iraq And Afghanistan when they were arrogantly saying to the world that: “ or you are with us or against us” kind of phrase while invading a sovereign nation with a lie as an excuse, inventing the whole Weapons of mass destruction thing.
You guys think that one hand wash the other hand. Like criminals do.
You see? in a sovereignty dispute, you dont force your ally to support you becouse you supported them in a military venture, invading a sovereign nation for natural resources. Instead you present your view and let them think freely how to act. Argentina do not tells Chile or Uruguay who should they be doing business with. If Chile and Uruguay wants to do business with the colonial government in the islands, we cant say nor do anything becouse it is their choice to make.
And certainly i dont think Obama is a drug retard as Bush junior was, as to invent a lie to invade a nation, so i dont really think he is gonna support the british cause becouse they helped them in invading a whole nation for its oil.
Fact is, the islands remains being considered a colony by the world community. That is something will not change no matter how hard the british try.
88 Liberato
Apr 11th, 2015 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Fact is, the islands remains being considered a colony by the world community. That is something will not change no matter how hard the british try.”
Agree.
Further, all Argentina needs to do is to keep the pressure up on the international and diplomatic fronts. The British will keep spending until it becomes politically untenable.
Then they will negotiate a reasonable transfer of the islands to Argentina, with due consideration of the rights of the people living there.
Matter closed.
Just read this article so funny by stupid. Its author a guy with no logic, no intelligence and no common sense, but full of hypocrisy.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Respect Sovereignty”, which he did not Inca-the-bitch from 1833 to the present in the Malvinas Argentinas Islands (MAI).
“The islands have chosen .....” The islands do not speak to my knowledge! the question is whether the territory in question (the islands) belong to Argentina or Inca-the-bitch.
At no time did the idiot pirate who walked here in 1765 did on official business. Until denies .... Falkland!. Read idiots:
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-269364-2015-03-31.html
“Since 1833 U.K. MAI has occupied”. So it translated: there is a small number of islanders who have 9 generations inhabiting piracy and occupying foreign territory. Stolen.
“The fundamental right of self-determination”. Indeed dear Watson. Also in 1833 but it was not respected. Neither in Buenos Aires in 1806 and 1807. No determination of British in stolen territory, silly. As simple as that.
As for Canada, his idiot queen is the same idiot queen of Inca-the-bitch. What you expect?
“Over the past four years US been asked to negotiate ... ”then as they are so loyal partners, make case to his dad Uncle Sam, silly.
“Argentina a bully”. But what bastards! In the entire history of the earth, there has not been more and bigger thugs fucking English. And an act of bullying, recognized by them, the MAI was stolen.
After the idiot of the writer, lists point by point what the US must do. Do they realize, fools of English, will be given what that means ?. Idiots, if you did not know US It became independent from the Inca-la-bitch in 1776. Then do not treat them as his little England colony!, England so small and so screwed.
What strikes me most about this article is its political tone deafness. To give one example the article states that the islands were gifted to King George III.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0A few months ago there was a three part series on local cable called “The Sons of Liberty”. Because the British know so little about the US I suspect that most here do know of the Sons of Liberty so I will state that they were one of the main driving forces that triggered the American Revolution. This program was a historical drama and, as is common with this genre, the main casualty was objective history. Never the less it sufficed to remind Americans once more why the Revolution occurred and why the US is not, and cannot be, British.
So when I saw in this article a reference to King George's legacy I thought to myself, “Wait a minute, I've heard that name somewhere before.” I seem to remember learning as a young girl so many years ago, and have been reminded by the recent program, that King George was whom the US rebelled against.
So now we have this article, complete with its four points, advocating that the US support King George's prerogatives in America. I can just imagine the statement from the White House: “In order to promote the sovereignty of King George III and his heirs, in America, it shall be the policy of the US to ... ”. I don't think so!
I don't know who these authors are but they are a couple of real bozos. Because of their complete insensitivity to American heritage I suspect that they are British. This is where AIPAC has it all over the Heritage Foundation. They would not have their Bengiman Betanyahu Fellow attempt to deliver their n points to the US government in support of their colonial policy.
The incompetence demonstrated in this article is yet another reason that the US can be sure that the UK will be returning the Malivinas within 25 years.
What is really amazing after all the posts above is that the Falkland Islands are now... in 2015... STILL British.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Raking over history or the nuances of the US-UK relationship hasn't changed that fact.
Even WITHOUT US openly supporting the UK, the Islands are British.
Even after all the historical incidences, the Islands are British.
Even after all Argentina's decades of begging and screaming and tantrums, the Islands are still British.
Neither the US nor Argentina has changed that fact.
There is only ONE path for the Islands to become Argentine. The inhabitants vote for it.
No one on this website has EVER been able to show documented proof otherwise.
Not one.
For all the hundreds of thousands of words typed by Argentinean educated people such as Liberato, Enrique, Think, Paul, Marcos, Alejandro or Hepatia; not one of you has ever been able to prove otherwise.
Talking about unicorns shitting rainbows doesn't make a rainbow-shitting unicorn real. Now or in 25 years.
88 Liberato
Apr 11th, 2015 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is the second time of had to rebut this same piece of rubbish from you, as that claim is null and void, particularly since the Referendum. With it's completion the UK has for filled it's legal obligation under the Charter, as the Islands are now “decolonized”. It's therefore irrelevant who doesn't accept the affirmation of international law, as it is not the UK's problem, as there is no legal power on earth to compel them to do anything else. “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
“Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
The content of self-determination as laid down in the Covenants Article 1 of both the UN Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides as follows:
All peoples have the right of self-determination. ... All peoples may, ... freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources ...
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Govcrning and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL
53 Article 1(3) grants pcoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign”
@89
Apr 11th, 2015 - 07:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is wishful thinking of the highest order. Firstly by obliging us to fight a war in 1982, Argentina has made it politically impossible for any UK government to accede to Argentina's territorial ambitions, even if there were any legitimate grounds for doing so, and even if a British government actually wanted to give. Up the islands. You couldn't even negotiate a solution when the most cash conscious government and junta friendly government in British history actually wanted to give the islands up. Secondly, the “political pressure” supposedly applied by Argentina is no more than a gnat's fart of minor irritation. Nobody but yourselves gives two hoots about your sovereignity claim, and nobody is willing to incur so much as $1 cost in supporting you. Your only real support is a corrupt UN committee voting on a largely ethnic basis, and you don't dare take anything more than a plea for dialogue to the wider GA, because the last time you tried, you lost badly. This will remain true as long as you continue to reject any application of law, democracy or human rights in pursuit of your territorial ambitions, preferring instead to rely upon some non-existent principle of colonial inheritance, and calling it decolonization. This is seriously devalued currency already, and nobody is fooled by it except yourselves. The question you should really be asking is, who benefits?
Americas not going to do it because nobody wants an unimportant but crazy bitch running around making a scene while your trying to deal with some important
Apr 11th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina grow up sort yourself out and you might have a chance at persuading the islanders or more realistically have a rich successful country that doesn't have to invent a dispute to explain its problems.
UK has more right to the suez canal than Argentina has to the Falklands theirs hardly anyone still going on about egypts“ theft”of the canalso it can be done.
Well after the deluded malvinista's efforts, what can you say.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0As Skip says, the lslands are still British & they will remain so.
(until the people of the Falklands say otherwise).
No more need be said about that malvinistas.
Liberato,
Enrique Massot,
José Mal-de-dum-dum,
Hepalatiana,
Suck it up baby(ies).
♥
Hepatia, JM.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0One word describes your posts.
Delusional.
Look it up.
“In the OAS, Canada* is the only country that publically supports the Falkland Islanders”.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0*commonwealth member.
98 Vestige
Apr 11th, 2015 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The OAS is in violation of its own Charter to wit: CHARTER OF THE ORGANIZATION OF AMERICAN STATES Part One Chapter II PRINCIPLES Article 3
The American States reaffirm the following principles:
a) International law is the standard of conduct of States in their reciprocal relations;
b) International order consists essentially of respect for the personality, sovereignty, and independence of States, and the faithful fulfillment of obligations derived from treaties and other sources of international law;
e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES
Article 11
Every American State has the duty to respect the rights enjoyed by every other State in accordance with international law.
Article 12
The fundamental rights of States may not be impaired in any manner whatsoever.
Article 13
The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Article 20
No State may use or encourage the use of coercive measures of an economic or political character in order to force the sovereign will of another State and obtai
Obama stated yesterday that the US will no longer interfere with south American countries of their problems,
Apr 11th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so that leaves Argentina all on its own then.?
99 - direct quote. Not even my words. Now you're arguing with fact.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the OAS, Canada* is the only country that publically supports the Falkland Islanders”.
Apr 11th, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And rightly so.
98 Vestige
Apr 11th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This would be a good time to remind OAS that with the completion of the Referendum the UK has for filled it's legal obligation under the Charter, as the Islands are now “decolonized”. “UN Charter; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES; Article 73; Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for ..peoples have not yet attained ..of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, ..b. to develop self-government, ...”
“Self-determination of people: a legal reappraisal by Antonio Cassese
The content of self-determination as laid down in the Covenants Article 1 of both the UN Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights provides as follows: All peoples have the right of self-determination. ... All peoples may, ... freely dispose of their natural wealth and resources ...
”The States Parties to the present Covenant, including those having responsibility for the administration of Non-Self-Govcrning and Trust Territories, shall promote ...the right of self-determination, and shall respect that right, in conformity with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations.
SELF-DETERMINATION AS A CONTINUING RIGHT'. EXPRESSION OF THE POPULAR WILL; 53 Article 1(3) grants pcoples of dependent territories (non-self-governing and trust territories) the right freely to decide their international status, in other words, whether to form a State or to associate with an existing sovereign“. So any resolution on sovereignty is ultra vires as per UN Charter Article 103 ”In the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail.
http://en.mercopress.com/2014/06/06/malvinas-oas-resolution-calls-for-resumption-of-uk-argentina-negotia
Strange, the OAS doesn't seem to be self conflicted with its stance on the islands, none of the OAS countries have mentioned such a problem, not only that but the US which remains neutral doesn't point out any conflict. Nor does any newspaper or legal journal or world body.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or even Canada which votes pro-falklands.
The only one who does is a politically motivated legal theorist on a biased political news website under the anonymous pseudonym Terrence.
Could it be his multi faceted internet theory is wrong and/or only exists in his imagination.
hmmm.
Could it be that in 2015 the Falkland Islands are British no matter who gives support.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0104 Vestige
Apr 12th, 2015 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the OAS doesn't seem to be self conflicted with its stance on the island”, only because it, and a certain member operates in violation of the OAS Charter thus: ”Part One Chapter II, Article 3 : e) ..and has the duty to abstain from intervening in the affairs of another State. ...
Chapter IV FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND DUTIES OF STATES; Article 11 Article 13; The political existence of the State is independent of recognition by other States. Even before being recognized, the State has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its preservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate concerning its interests, to administer its services, and to determine the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights is limited only by the exercise of the rights of other States in accordance with international law.
Article 19; No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.
Article 20; No State may use or encourage the use of coercive measures of an economic or political character in order to force the sovereign will of another State and obtain from it advantages of any kind.“
It's also noted your legal acceptance of my contention in post #103 as ”silence gives consent”. That the UK has fully complied with all it's obligations under the UN Charter, and any interference is null and void under article 103.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/04/09/u.s.-should-back-the-falkland-islanders-right-of-self-determination-at-the-summit-of-the-americas#comment391528: The UK will return the Malvinas within 25 years irrespective of what the Argentinians do. The fact is that the matter of whomever is the administrator of the Malvinas is a straw in the wind that blows neither from London nor BA.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 04:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0The very good probability is that Argentina will not exist within 25 years.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0So even if we wanted to(which we do not), there would be nobody to “return” anything to.
You are whistling in that wind.
The UK may very well return the Malvinas within 25 years irrespective of what the Argentinians do.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the Falkland Islands are a different matter. And may indeed be independent by then.
106 - looks like the OAS disagree with you. Not one member among them has spoken out about any such violation of their own organizations terms. Why might that be ?
Apr 12th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(... And lets not forget that a commonwealth country, voting pro-falklands, is in said organization)
Perhaps its because they haven't conflicted their own charter.
That being the case would strongly indicate that your personal opinion/internet theory is just fantasy.
(you know - the multi faceted, un-substantiated one that only you and some unfortunate people on this site actually know diddly about. The one that ignores many nations' objections and redefines silence as needs be.)
Awaits Einstein quote and random law excerpts.
isolda
Apr 12th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maths and statistics are NOT your strong point, no??
taking in account that there are just 2000 poor souls living in those islets, that the birth rate is less than 1, that the average age is more than 65 and that the life expectancy is less than 70, in 25 years there will be no isleters in those islets.
110 Vestige
Apr 12th, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again just your personal opinion versus my clear indication of the UK having completed their UN Charter obligations of “decolonization” making the issue now “moot”; in addition, to becoming “jus cogens” as well as protected under UNC article 103. I have shown all the articles of the OAS that appear to stymie their involvement in the issue. Perhaps you can show a contrary intent within the said Charter.
112 - maybe you should let the OAS know that they're violating their own terms. They seem to have missed it.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All of them.
Even Canada.
Amazing that you're the only one on earth to spot it.
113 Vestige
Apr 12th, 2015 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Both Argentine 2007 pamphlets repeat the standard Argentine view of the legal position in the Falklands dispute (English p. 5, Spanish p. 11):
the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833...“ p.39 Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
Thus claiming an act of 'conquest by the UK; ”..It is therefore not surprising that the UN General Assembly declared in 1970 that the modem prohibition against the acquisition of territory by conquest should not be construed as affecting titles to territory created 'prior to the Charter regime and valid under international law'..” Akehursts Modern Introduction to International Law By Peter Malanczuk. Since the OAS resolution mirrors a UN resolution, it could equally insist that Argentina comply with this UN Resolution. Perhaps, if it wasn't so predisposed.
#98
Apr 12th, 2015 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The rest are dagos.....ie Spanish speaking....except Brazil.
Anyhoo .... getting back to the article. “In the OAS, Canada is the only country that publically supports the Falkland Islanders”.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to know.
34/35 aint bad, especially when you consider that there are many commonwealth countries in the OAS other than Canada.
Antigua, St Vincent, St Kitts, et al: express no public support for the falkland islands.
113 Vestige
Apr 12th, 2015 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing! you cannot show a contrary intent within the OAS Charter, that refutes my contention that OAS is in violation of its own Charter, re: post #106 and #112. So I have effectively proved my point, that the OAS is violating its own Charter, by showing the contentious articles.
@111 paulcedron,
Apr 12th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have an immigration program, niño.
Don't know what the criteria is/are(?).
No malvinistas allowed.
Think we are going to be overwhelmed by applications when the OIL starts to flow.
Pity you won't be accepted, ay paul?
117 - lol what does that even mean.
Apr 12th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0... eh you have failed to produce proof that I believe in your proof ergo your proof has not been proved or some such.
I also cannot show a contrary intent within the OAS charter that refutes my own personal contention that the OAS serves custard.... and only custard thrice daily.
So I have effectively proved that they do.
This proof may only reside in my own imagination and on this site but if I keep telling myself its true the world will change or something.
Amazing !!!!!111!1
(quick shout out to all the commonwealth countries who didn't openly support the kel?erites)
116 Vestige
Apr 12th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So yet again you cannot refute my claim that OAS is predicated solely in favour of Argentina. As they are in conflict with their own Charter, and their additional failure, to consider another UN resolution that blows Argentina's claim right out of the water. That they are so biased I knew in advance, so thank you for helping me furnish the definitive proof. Fortunately, their remit is merely 'political' and they are totally devoid of any 'legal' powers, so they are of no consequence what so ever.
@119
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can you point out where custard figures in the OAS Charter? Because if its not in there, your argument is moot. And fuck-witted.
It amazes me how simpletons think that the UK somehow controls Commonwealth of Nation countries.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The simple fact that these countries don't always agree with the UK should ring alarm bells regarding their logic.
Alas they keep making themselves look stupid!
However can someone please provide the link where it shows the OAS clearly saying that Argentina has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands.
Or will they only show the support for the LEGITIMATE rights of Argentina...... rights that have never shown to be legitimate.
Even the UK supports Argentina's LEGITIMATE rights over any territory it claims. Hell, I do!
No one can show you this link,
Apr 13th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0because it does not exist,
unless these argies know something we don't ?? they normally do..lol
isolda
Apr 13th, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We have an immigration program, niño.”
well, it seems it is not very successful, eh???
Oh its successful alright.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lt keeps the riff-raff like yourself, out.
lf you want to emigrate here, young paul, put my name down as a sponsor! lol!
l'll write a report on you like you'll never believe!
isolda...isolda...
Apr 14th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0but, who would choose the islets to emigrate?
not the most beautiful place on earth, no?
and they are territory in dispute.
mmmm...no way.
“Argentina has resorted to a strategy of intimidation and bullying against the Falkland Islanders that also poses serious risks to U.S. interests.”
Apr 14th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/03/the-united-states-should-recognize-british-sovereignty-over-the-falkland-islands
Great article,
Apr 14th, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0mind if I use bits against argies...
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Apr 14th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”“Argentina has resorted to a strategy of intimidation and bullying against the Falkland Islanders that also poses serious risks to U.S. interests.”
says who?
those 3 twats and the...-heritage foundation?
lol
nobody gives a shite for that, you knucklehead
I agree with Paul.
Apr 14th, 2015 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is too militarily weak, too economically mismanaged and too politically stupid to do any intimidating or bullying.
Haha!
Apr 15th, 2015 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Paul-carrion. Hung by his own petard!
Well pauli-baby, if you don't want to emigrate here, why the interest?
Apr 15th, 2015 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't consider this land to be in dispute, only you silly malvinistas think that.
We are quietly confident that this is our land & definitely not yours.
So we look on with contemptuous amusement of your latino hysterics & lies that you spread about OUR land.
Admit it paulcedron, you are quite a bit retarded if you believe Argentina's lies.
Don't think that there is much hope for you.
l think that if you were a dog, we'd have shot you by now.
Sad.
isolda
Apr 15th, 2015 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“l think that if you were a dog, we'd have shot you by now.”
this phrase describes you perfectly.
say no more.
as for considering those islets the ugliest place in the world, well, that has nothing to do with the fact that they belong to argentina.
only a bunch of idiots like you falklandistas can deny historical and geographical facts.
and yes, they are territory in dispute according to the u.n.
so...a comerla.
Good call Isolde re: if paulie was a dog he would have been shot by now.
Apr 15th, 2015 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0He proves it in the above post by saying nothing original what so ever.
He has no use nor purpose.
He is as childish as always and can't formulate any argument at all. Must be that Argentine education. Even his insults are puerile, repetitious and boring.
Just watch his response to this post.
Lol!
@133 paulcedron,
Apr 15th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0But l will say more, niño.
l've never said that l was nice or meek & mild.
You don't know me so you cannot make judgements, nabo.
But if someone like yourself ever tried to evict me & my family from our home, you would find out very quickly how ruthless l can be.
And you are very misinformed.
These beautiful lslands do NOT belong to Argentina.
That is a lie that you will eventually have to overcome.
Argentines are the ones who are denying historical facts.
What geographical facts, nabolito?
That Argentina is 400kms or so to our east?
Perhaps then, we own Argentina, yes, no, maybe?
Wake up to yourself, gormless.
No we do not think we have a dispute.
We are happy with the Status Quo. lts you idiots that have a dispute.
Since when do you take any notice of what the UN says?
Argentina IGNORED UNSC #502 in 1982, which ordered them to remove their/your troops from the Falkland lslands.
Everything you malvinistas say, is lies.
Hope this helps.
135 isolda
Apr 15th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surely you are one of those persons who love to shoot dogs, penguins and stuff, eh??
not by chance people like you have killed more than 5 million penguins in less than 20 years in the stinky islets.
describes you all perfectly.
as for denying facts, it is you, naboleta, who are denying the awful history of that shit of a country called england, you boba.
that´s why england still has 16 colonies and territorial disputes with 1/2 world.
anyway, seeing that history is not your strong point, lets try with geography.
england is at 12.000 km from the islets, while the isla de los estados is at 300 km.
the islands are part of the patagonian continental shelf.
they have nothing to do with england or with you, implanted population.
as they wisely say, england has nothing to do in south america.
sooner than later you all will have to return the illegally occupied land.
136 paulcedron
Apr 15th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the ICJ has already ruled out such a claim based on proximity, so they have nothing to do with Argentina. p.74 ”International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine...By Roberto C. Laver
“sooner than later you all will have to return the illegally occupied land.” The UK can rely on at least six-planks of international law and three Anglo-Spanish treaties, that support irrefutably her right of sovereignty, while legally Argentine is now barred from even submitting a claim to the ICJ or the PCA. Moreover, there is not one aspect of international law that supports an Argentine claim. The UK therefor is the only legal holder of sovereignty, and there is no legal power on earth to change that reality.
#137
Apr 15th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are upsetting the man with facts. This conflicts with his inculcated quasi religious beliefs that what he says is the absolute truth. His hatred is the thing that fuels his personality. For him to question this would lead to an implosion of his very being.
@136 paulito-nabo,
Apr 15th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lt seems that you are illiterate as well as being stupid.
l did not say that l shoot dogs, penguins & stuff,(whats a “stuff”?) l said that IF YOU were a dog that we'd shoot you.
l stand by that.
You are a brainwashed idiot.
Sooner or later you will have to return Patagonia to its rightful owners.
That is if you can find any native people to return it to as your countrymen murdered most of them.
Patagonia is illegally occupied land. Argentines in Patagonia are an implanted population, that is they are squatters.
As for continental shelves(what a ridiculous argument!), see poster#137T.H. above.
You are not only an idiot, pauli-bobo, but also a liar.
lf you need anymore truthful facts, l'll be happy to oblige as l can see its not really your fault, its a problem of the Argentine Education(ha!)system.
ldiot child.
isolda naboletta
Apr 16th, 2015 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0”l did not say that l shoot dogs, penguins & stuff,(whats a “stuff”?) l said that IF YOU were a dog that we'd shoot you.”
you are not too bright, no?
you are implying that you have no probs in shooting dogs.
whats your level of education?
lol
i can imagine you, with the typical overweight of the islanders, carrying a shotgun to kill dogs and any other animal surrounding your shack.
what do you do with them?
eat them?
yuck
and then they say they are not hillbillies...LOL
140 Pab Lobo Canine
Apr 16th, 2015 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0A “mad dog” is probably what Isolde has in mind.
You know, the kind that barks and growls it fool head off, with foam around its gnashers!!
Yes mad-dog pauli-bobo, l could be overweight or l could be underweight.
Apr 16th, 2015 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0But you will never know, bobolito, will you?
l am proud to be called a hillbilly, you won't insult me like that!
ldiot child.
What are you?
The dregs of the city's gutters?
You still haven't answered, O ridiculous one,
Whats a “stuff” & why would you want to shoot it?
l'm also a very good shot, so l don't have to go around shooting “stuffs”to keep my eye in.
paulcedron, you are a raving ratbag.
Agreed
Apr 16th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the US, the UN and practically all of the OAS, including commonwealth countries, call for bi-lateral talks, and refuse to recognize a sham referendum designed to call whats quite obviously a colony something other than what it is ... then maybe... just maybe theres reason to ask why.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The foreign relations of some 100 million people between UK and Argentina by all logic shouldn't hinge on the quite obviously vested interests and opinions of 2500 planted people living on land the size of northern Ireland.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWnGPlUb9XQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5RWQABijO8
Utter rubbish.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0144 Vestige
Apr 18th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You choose to ignore the real significance of the Referendum- it is an officially observed, definite statement from 2500 people that WITHOUT DOUBT, they wish to keep the status quo - administered by the British, until they choose themselves, to review their status and their destiny.
That is their right according to the UN Charter, and Argentina has no right to tell them anything different.
If you formally apologise to the Islanders themselves, for taking away their rights and freedoms, you might be able to become their friends.
Otherwise, forget it.
Briton - 2500 people couldn't decide the go ahead or not of a small regional airport in GB, why should they decide GB's foreign relations with 50 million Argentinians and influence GB's future with all Latin America.
Apr 18th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats why both tory and labor govts in GB previously wanted to do the intelligent thing with Argentina and negotiate a settlement, as suggested by the UN presently.
Troy the only “observers” of the mock referendum were a paid private organization with a 1 page website.
@144 Vestige,
Apr 18th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep trying, it only makes us laugh even harder at you.
This is not your land & never has been.
lf you disagree & have the PROOF that our land is yours, then present your evidence to the ICJ.
And please stop lying & deluding yourself, the WHOLE WORLD(as you malvinistas like to bandy about!) may be is calling for talks, but not about “negotiations” about Sovereignty.
Hope this helps.
@147 Vestige
Apr 18th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Thats why both tory and labor govts in GB previously wanted to do the intelligent thing with Argentina and negotiate a settlement, as suggested by the UN presently. ”
“Vestige”- previously??
Do you mean, as in nearly a half century ago in the 60's, before an Argentine MILITARY invasion, and their subsequent surrender and defeat??
Or do you mean, before the Falklands became economically diversified, financially self-sufficient, and self-governing.
Newsflash - that world is long gone!
“Troy the only “observers” of the mock referendum were a paid private organization with a 1 page website.”
Your interpretation as a propaganda Troll for a self-interested party, is directly at odds with neutral observers from multiple countries, including LATAM, and recognised by the UN.
I see that you and Voice and Marcos are trotting out all the old, specious arguments you tried to float several times in the past.
They had no substance then, just like now.
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