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Francis triggers fury from Turkey recalling the genocide of the Armenian people
Pope Francis uttered the word “genocide” on Sunday to describe the mass murder of Armenians 100 years ago, sparking fury from Turkey which slammed the term as “far from historical reality”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesFrancis has a point. Will he also talk about the genocide in South America over the slaughter of the natives by the Spanish and sanctioned by the Pope?
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0let's hope he will also talk about the several genocides and mass killings committed by the english through their sad, revolting history in ireland, south africa, north america, india, pakistan, australia, tasmania and the list goes on and on and on.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0At last a good action from this Pope.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Last I checked Tasmania was part of Australia.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinean education.
Why are the Turks getting upset?
Apr 13th, 2015 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can't they handle the truth?
That they DID murder thousands of Armenians is not in doubt.
#2
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your usual high standard of scholarship !
What were the mass killings in Pakistan ?
Pakistan was created in 1947 as an independent nation for Muslims from the regions in the east and west of Subcontinent where there was a Muslim majority.
Britain left when Pakistan was formed. I don't remember us invading after this date and committing mass killings. Do you know differently ?
U.S.A.
Didn't this become independent in 1776 and Britain had no more to do with the running of it.
For a brief periods after the American Revolution, the United States adopted a policy toward American Indians known as the “conquest” theory.
In the Treaty of Fort Stansix of 1784, the Iroquois had to cede lands in western New York and Pennsylvania. Those Iroquois living in the United States (many had gone to Canada where the English gave them refuge) rapidly degenerated as a nation during the last decades of the eighteenth century, losing most of their remaining lands and much of their ability to cope.
The Shawnees, Miamis, Delawaresm, Ottawans, Wyandots, and Potawatomis watching the decline of the Iroquois formed their own confederacy and informed the United states that the Ohio river was the boundary between their lands and those of the settlers. It was just a matter of time before further hostilities ensued.
Note that British controlled Canada gave them refuge.
COLUMBUS
He began to implement slavery and mass-extermination of the Taino population of the Caribbean. Within three years five million were dead. Fifty years later the Spanish census recorded only 200 living!
Las Casas, the primary historian of the Columbian era, writes of numerous accounts of the horrendous acts that the Spanish colonists inflicted upon the indigenous people, which included hanging them en masse, roasting them on spits, hacking their children into pieces to be used as dog food, and the list continues.
I could continue with Mexico, California and Central America if I had 20,000 characters left.
skippy
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you EVER studied history in your whole life?
i guess NOT.
during the period of the genocide it was an independent colony.
the colony of...tasmania, you pinhead.
something like the islets today, but in the 19ème siècle.
isleter education...LOL.
@12 poorcedron
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You know that skip is an Australian, and not an “isleter”.....right?
Argentine education...lol.
8 mc culo
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and why the f*ck would i know that skip is australian?
and how the f*ck do you know it?
he is as australian as you and the rest of the isleters.
and a piece of advice, when you answer to #7, try to write 7, not 12, GOT IT?
islanders' tiny brains...
grandpa.
after filling your mouth about your excellente éducation in scotland and blablabla, i can see that your knowledge of history is the same as the rest of the nabos here.
that is zero, null, nothing.
as far as the whole f*cking world knows, bengal, bangla, bengala is /was part of pakistan.
now,try to guess who committed one of the biggest genocides there?
yes...the english.
very good.
now, stop reading that crap of wikipedia, and read some serious articles about the matter.
here you have one:
“The Bengal Famine: How the British engineered the worst genocide in human history for profit”
http://yourstory.com/2014/08/bengal-famine-genocide/
YOU ARE WELCOME
#6 Clyde
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaking of history and genocide, perhaps we should bring up Julio Argentino Roca, the Argentine military hero and statesman who was a genocidal murderer.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/13/argentinian-founding-father-genocide-row
(There are SEVERAL other infamous examples of Argentine genocidal murdering of native peoples.... Oh yes, Chile has it's black history as well, but at least we don't hide it...)
the usual Argentine blindness to their own genocidal conquest of Patagonia I see...
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“its never their fault”...
*sigh*
@9 Paul cabron
Apr 13th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My apologies for putting the wrong number.
Skip has stated that he is australian on numerous occasions.
Care to explain the genocide that argentina committed between 1976-1983?
#11 Anbar
Apr 13th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NOTHING is ever an Argentine's fault. Their crumbling infrastructure, their financial collapse, their declining agricultural production, their infamous culture of corruption, etc... are always due to the British, Americans, the IMF, Wall Street, Iranians, Syrians, the Mossad, the CIA, MI6, Paul Singer, the US Federal Court, etc... What a bunch of crybabies...
12. When PC loses an argument as always, he simply spouts the “isleter” or “chilote” card d and fucks off. He knows damn well where users are fanatically American like YB or Australian like Skip and he will call on them to be “isleters.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its just plain dishonesty.
I have being a Yiddo, illegal chilote at the same time in a day. Don’t take him seriously
Not all argentines are like him.
PS. The military didn't commint genocide, it simply prevented the people that are NOW in power, taking power by force in the 1970s.
“Not all argentines are like him.”
Apr 13th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0says the chilote who pretends to be argentinian...pathetic.
I blame his education. First for missing what my username means and secondly because I have ad nasueum stated I am Australian.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However it is a true characteristic of a simpleton what is unable to learn anything new.
“during the period of the genocide it was an independent colony.
the colony of...tasmania, you pinhead.”
Aaah DER!
There was no such country as AUSTRALIA when Tasmania was a colony. There were just colonies! The Colony of Victoria. The Colony of New South Wales. The Colony of Queensland. The Colony of Western Australia. The Colony of South Australia. The Colony of New Zealand. And the Colony of Tasmania.
There was no colony of AUSTRALIA.
It seems my education is deeper and richer than yours. The country of Australia did not exist until 1st January 1901. On that day the colony of Tasmania ceased existing.
However if you mean the continent of Australia, then that includes Tasmania as well.
Doesn't matter which way you twist it, you stuffed up quite embarrassingly trying to pull off a Skip. I blame your education.
#16 Skip
Apr 13th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulcedron is a typical Argentine result of the corrupt dysfunctional educational system they have in his country. 40 years ago, Argentina enjoyed excellent schools with many respected universities. Today, not one of the universities has a ranking within the top 20 of Latin America, illiteracy has actually increased and their understanding of basic world history, culture and politics is a complete disgrace.
Anyway, our boy is still hiding under a rock right now as he didn't anticipate being reminded of his own country's genocidal infamy...
17 chilote
Apr 13th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but what can you know about education and about argentina, chilote?
and a pinochet supporter talking about genocide is a bit funny, no?
and do not forget to lick the boots of these bennys very well.
maybe they can employ you as their official asskisser
@2. Why? South America has committed far more genocides. So has spain. Large parts of SoAm are STILL committing genocide on a daily basis. For instance, consider wonderfully advanced and compassionate argieland and Brazil. Then check out the absence of health care for indigenous peoples, police brutality, land theft. Wasn't so long ago that argieland was boasting that there were no indigenous people in argieland.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. I'm curious. How do you get an independent colony? With regard to Tasmania, have you tried reading some history yourself? Not just the bits that suit you. Did you read about aboriginal attacks? Or how a British Governor tried to move two tribes of aborigines to preserve their culture etc and avoid conflicts. That wouldn't suit you, would it? Let's consider Julio Argentino Roca. Who led not THE, but the SECOND Conquest of the Desert. Revered by argies. Let's take a look at Roca's campaign. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
But I do understand that argies don't get an education. We've seen the videos.
@9. Pity you don't do some serious research instead of just putting 'Britain' and 'genocide' into Google to see what some other nutjob has written sometime. Bit of advice. See if you can find how much the (British) Government of India spent on famine relief.
@15. Come on, just admit it. You're an anti-British psycopath. What a pity for you murderers and war criminals that we're so much better than you. We accept what our country did when times and society were different. But let's think. In 1982 (the modern era) you scum invaded peaceful Islands. That's a war crime. You occupied those Islands with armed troops. Another war crime. You started a war. Another war crime. You forced Islanders into a hall with no protection. Another war crime. But it wasn't 'you'. So you're stupid, amnesiac war criminals.
When the insecure little delusional adolescent Paulcedron is confronted with irrefutable evidence, he starts calling others childish names and spouting nonsense.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can one accuse other civilized countries of genocide and yet overlook his own country's guilt of crimes against humanity?
Since 1990 Chile has carefully documented and prosecuted crimes against humanity and have made enormous efforts to compensate the native peoples for historical injustice.
Miners in Brazil, Peru and Venezuela are still murdering entire villages of Amazon basin natives. Argentina basically wiped out all theirs over 80 years ago.
Perhaps they all committed suicide like Nisman?
Apr 13th, 2015 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 019
Apr 13th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0boludo
“How do you get an independent colony?”
let's see if you can understand something once for all.
it means that tasmania was a colony that did not depend on the other 5 that finally formed australia, you asshole.
so when the other asshole said that tasmania was part of australia and blablabla, he was showing almost the same iq than you.
that is -1 million.
@22
Apr 13th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're living in the past. Every other country is developing and moving on, all but Argentina in it's 10 year default cycle. All you can do is look to the past and blame everyone else. Your pope seems to be taking lessons from CFK on international relations, he needs to keep his pious trap shut.
Now the insecure little delusional adolescent Paulcedron is trying to argue with Australians regarding their own country's history. Again presented with irrefutable evidence, he starts calling others childish names and spouting nonsense once more, just like a broken record. Reminds me of a six year old.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Squirming as usual. As Pakistan did not exist as a country until 1947 please explain how we could have committed genocide after we left the sub-continent.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The famine to which you refer was when BENGAL was part of India, so including Pakistan in your diatribe was up to your usual crap standard of inaccuracy.
Really, your standard of education is abyssmal
I'm right in the mood for a good old fashioned killing spree.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Getting back to acts of genocide committed by the Argentine nation: The Napalpí massacre occurred on July 19, 1924 in Napalpí in the Chaco Province of Northeast Argentina. It involved the massacre of over 400 indigenous men, women and children of the Toba ethnicity by the Argentine Police and ranchers.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It wasn't us, it was the army.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 paulcedron
Apr 13th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t you mean a “separate colony” an “independent colony” would be something of a contradiction in terms.
And what about the Malvinas, surely we massacred a load of hapless Argys there.
Somebody does something worthwhile (Pope Francisco in this case, by naming things by their name) and a chorus of righteous writers begin clamoring about other genocidal episodes that also need to be righted.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be effective you have to choose your battles. Don't shoot the messenger just because he did not deliver as many messages as you wanted.
I see the argie historians are out in force today,
Apr 13th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paulie taking the lead...lol
@30
Apr 13th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be honest the Pope is right now boosting CFK and other peronist candidates such as a propposed new Court Supreme Minister. This guy, a little bit more than 30 years old, with no prectical experience met him four times thanks to the Argentine Catholic Church influence.
Peronists are the consecuence of Nazi and catholic influence in Argentina before and during the WW II.
Pope Francis I must undertand, before some people start complaining, that he is the head of the Vatican State and he has nothing to do with Argentine domestic issues.
He promissed he won't meet any argentine politician until the end of the presidential elections..it's time for him to honour his promisse.
We had enought fascists and catholics in Argentina so as to tolerate a Vatican intervention.
If people get the impression that the pope is giving special privileges to argentine government officials and CFk how will that look to the honest people who pray to him.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it sets a very bad example , seeming to give corruption and illegal activities a special audience.
just saying like.
#30 EM
Apr 13th, 2015 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to throw mud at someone, expect them to throw some back.
This debate came about when Paulcedron decided to accuse Western civilization of genocide and yet overlook our own guilt here in Latin America. Chile certainly is not innocent, neither is Brazil. It's just good to remind our Argentinian brothers that they too committed numerous crimes through the 20th century as well. He brought up Pinochet, so it seems only fair to mention Argentine President Jorge Videla who murdered around 30,000.
Another example was the “Patagonia rebelde” in the Argentine province of Santa Cruz in Patagonia between in the early 1920's when over 1,500 rural striking workers were shot and killed by the Argentine Army, many of them executed by firing squads after surrendering.
It would be so refreshing if we could just once hear Argentines accept that their troubles are a direct result because of themselves. Not because of the UK, the USA, the IMF, the US Federal courts, Paul Singer, the Mossad, the Iranians....
@34
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Patagonia Rebelde” is a novel written by the german/argentine novelist Osvaldo Bayer who is a anarchist that supports the idea tha Argentina must give back the Patagonia to the first people that HE considers are the mapuches. An idea without any historical support.
If you want to read about the very same events Osvaldo Bayer wrote I suggest reading Andreas Madsen's books. He was a dannish pionner and he had another version of Patagonia Rebelde becuase he was there.
If you want to have an idea about the foundation of Argentina you must read other books such as “En los confines de la Tierra” de Jeff Bridges or “Excusrion a los Indios Ranqueles” from Lucio V. Mansilla. These books were written by people who were “actors” of the events at that time.
In addition, officially the people killed by the militar government were 8.000 people instead of the alledged 30.000 people.
Oh only 8,000!
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now I see why so many Argentineans love to bring up Pinochet when the Argentinean dictatorship bequeathed ONLY 8,000 murders snd a crap political and economic model to boot.
Seems Chile managed to at least use their military dictatorship tragedy as an strength eventually. Argentina as usual stuffed up.
#35 pgerman
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your thoughtful advice. As I said before, Chile does not have its hands clean either, but we can always look forward in improving the way our countries treat and respect our populaces.
l've said it before, l'll say it again, paulcedron-you are a complete idiot.
Apr 13th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A foul mouthed, stupid, delusional half-wit.
Grow up, quickly.
i have said it before, i will say it again:
Apr 13th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shut up isolda.
you know nothing.
s,o shhh, be quiet.
@36
Apr 13th, 2015 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did I write that 8,000 people is a “small” number?
#38 Isolde
Apr 13th, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding #39...
Let a monkey climb a tree and he'll show his ass every time.
41
Apr 14th, 2015 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0wow chilote
you are a genius, eh?
very, very bright.
42
Apr 14th, 2015 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a genius, says the monkey's ass!
@34
Apr 14th, 2015 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Our troubles”??? It would be refreshing for an anti-argie here for once to admit that they are a bunch of racists with the crap they spew against Argentina.
Like, for example, that we are the only country with problems and none of yours have any problems whatsoever, thus giving you license for your verbal tirades.
Oh, and “relativism” is not accepted. If you want to berate Argentina on corruption, better make sure your country has NO corruption. Poverty? Make your country currently has a poverty rate of 0%.
IF any of your countries meet those criteria, then by all means blast our inferiority. If not, zip your craphole.
44 NOSTRILS
Apr 14th, 2015 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0sorry, we'll continue to comment on your country, as we feel.
We'll interpret our own observations.
Too bad you may not like that.
#45 Troy
Apr 14th, 2015 - 07:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0#44 is envious because at least
paulcedron received mention. He thrives on attention and as he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, can't understand why we're not showering him with our attention.
Isolde has the correct perspective.
@22. I can understand some things very well. For instance, you're a shitbag. Let's see whether you can understand something, moron. A colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state. A colony isn't a state. It's one of the reasons that the Falkland Islands aren't a colony. But 2 out of 20 million for demonstrating your lack of education and intelligence. Typical thick argie. Do you have to sign anything when you join La Cámpora, or Quebracho? How did you manage? Do you know what a pen is?
Apr 14th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patagonia_rebelde
Not just a novel then!
@39. Fart shit!
@42. Unlike you.
@44. Don't be silly, girlie. Couple of clues. Through austerity, Britain has dug itself out of recession and now has the prospects in Western Europe. Unlike the fascists of the eurozone and argieland. WE have negative inflation. How's yours this week? We have a few temporary problems, mostly due to the European Union. Once we've got rid of that we'll once again be the promised land that you can't reach. I blame the spanish and eyeties. Both broke and desperate for British money. Unfortunately, the eyeties don't understand that when they intercept illegal immigrants in the Mediterranean, they're supposed to sink them. And the spanish don't understand how much they'll have to pay in compensation. First to Gibraltar. And then to Britain.
Seems like the pope is typical of an Argentine, forgets to “ engage brain before opening mouth”. When is he going to share out the wealth of the catholic church to the poor in Argentinas villas miserables?
Apr 14th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@45
Apr 15th, 2015 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0So don't cry when I call it like is about the Anglo race, from Mugabe and Blair on down.
SNOTTY NOSTRILS
Apr 15th, 2015 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are free to say whatever you like about “ the Anglos”, but if it sounds ridiculous or racist, and you can't back it up, expect to be made to look like the idiot you are.
@49. Poor little child. Are you on 'We're just victims', 'We're not as bad as you' or 'We're in La Campora and we're thick because our founder's an arse'.
Apr 15th, 2015 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ever heard of the Corruption Perceptions Index? It probably won't be popular reading for you.
For 2014 when, as I recall, Mugabe was still a black African born to a black African father and a black African mother, Zimbabwe rated as 156 out of 174. Argieland rated as 107. The United Kingdom was at 14. It's a simple observation. Your shit-pit is 67 places from the bottom. The United Kingdom is 94 places ABOVE you. The country with the least corruption is, supposedly, Denmark. It got 14 more points than the UK. The UK got 44 MORE points than argieland. So WE're not perfect. But WE only said that WE are incredibly better than you. YOU are surrounded by such 'guiding lights' as Djibouti, Niger, Indonesia, Moldova. Don't be downhearted. Venezuela, Paraguay, Ecuador, Bolivia are right down there with you.
Wouldn't it be nice for you if you had something, ANYTHING, to be proud of. But you don't. We shall just consider ALL your future comments as desperate attempts at saving face. Try something new called integrity!
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