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The Conservatives and Labor on Monday launched their final push to woo voters ahead of Britain's general election this week, as potential kingmaker parties made their pitch for power. Read full article

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  • Conqueror

    For those struggling to understand the intricacies of British politics, allow me to explain that Russell Brand describes himself as a comedian, actor, radio host, author, and activist. He isn't. He's and egotistical nutjob.

    Take a look at Miliband. His face says it all. He's a whiner. As with all Labour Socialist political shysters, he has a 'vision'. His vision depends on having loads of money. That's loads of money by British standards, not by the much lower argie loads of money. Attempting to raise taxes would get him lynched. So he's only left with borrowing. Unlike argieland, Britain can still borrow because it's trustworthy. But the British people don't want to borrow more. If he gets 'power', he could get lynched anyway.

    Then there's Nick Clegg. Look at that boyish face. Hiding the fact that he's a treacherous liar. He got a Coalition Agreement and then set out to brazenly breach every part of it.

    Nicola Sturgeon. What can one say? Not standing for any Parliamentary seat. So the 'real' voters can't kick her out. Look at what she says. “the next government must reflect the whole of Britain if it is to be considered legitimate, and cannot “ignore” Scottish voices.” This from the 'leader' of a party that only has 4% of support from 9% of the UK population. That's about 213,000 out of 64.5 million. That's 0.3%. That's her worth.

    Take a look at the article's last sentence. “Surely a test of legitimacy that should be applied... cannot simply be that it is the largest party in England,” she said.
    But 82% of the population of the UK is English! What better test of legitimacy could you have? Given their basis, the SNP should only be looking for 26 seats maximum, the Welsh Plaid Cymru for 12 and the other 79 seats shared out between independents and minor parties.

    May 05th, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #1
    The voting public will give THEIR verdict. You only have ONE vote !

    May 05th, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes Doido

    The SNP is now the third largest party in the UK with around 105,000 members. (The BBC et al don't like to mention that though)
    Personally I think they will be in a position to kick the Tories out of Downing Street by giving Labour support.

    By the way, the Labour Party in Scotland are dead now. The SNP are going to wipe them out in Scotland.
    I believe 11 seats are the most the SNP ever held at Westminster prior to indyref.
    They are now set to claim fifty plus of the 59 Scottish seats in Westminster.
    That is an ample chunk of 'clout' to settle the predicted 'hung parliament'.

    May 05th, 2015 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    2- Quite right- and Opi nion Polls ahve often been a few percent out - sometimes quite a few percent! There is only onl real count- the one that starts Thursday night!
    My prediction - a Con-Lib Coalition again- with UlsterUnionist and UKIP giving tactical votes.

    May 05th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    1
    Oh dear, oh dear....is Scotland going to be the Tail wagging the dog....
    ..please tell us all how that feels... to you personally....;-)

    May 05th, 2015 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I have to agree with @1 on Russell Brand. He is a complete knob with a messiah complex.

    May 05th, 2015 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL

    @1

    Yeah I am struggling to understand, maybe you can help.

    There is a general election in two days? Had not even heard.

    May 05th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #7
    Nothing to do with you. Go back to sleep.

    May 05th, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Domestic politics in UK aside, what are the chances of a coalition that forces the new government to issue a EU referendum??

    UK pulls out, France follows. EU colapses.

    May 05th, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Everyone_needs_ResveratrolL

    @8

    That's exactly what I could ask you in all those NON-Fakland Argentina threads you comment on?

    http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/05/mujica-admits-his-most-intimate-respect-for-cristina-fernandez-but.

    May 05th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    ...how are thinks in the socialist republic of Scotch land? Heh heh heh! Independence is coming and it will be welcomed in England. Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind!

    May 05th, 2015 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    11
    “...how are thinks in the socialist republic of Scotch land? ”

    It's English...but not as we know it...
    Anyone care to translate...?
    Ever thought of changing your name to...The Idiot....?

    May 05th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    SNP MPs will NOT decide how the rest of UK is governed for the next 5 yrs.
    Labour would not touch them with a bargepole - political suicide from all their English and Welsh support if they did.
    Remember SNP have ONE longterm objective- Indpendence - ie another referendum - and if they cam cause damage to the rest of the UK in the process of - the happier they will be.
    But they know that they would loose another Referendum(if held in next few years) - just as they lost last years one.
    So in the meantime they will be contect just doing what they can to smash and ruin the rest of the UK.

    May 05th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2. You 'think'?
    @3. The SNP isn't in the UK. It's scotch. The only interest is ensuring that it can't affect the UK. Will SNP politicians dare to travel into England? Best not!
    @4. I do hope that David Cameron will not make the mistake of inviting the treacherous LibDems into another coalition.
    @5. A dog looks much better with a cropped tail.
    @7. Of course you're struggling to understand. You're an argie. You're thick, stupid, uneducated, brainwashed. And please take on board the comment @8.
    @11. Indeed. I recommend a 20-mile wide, 1,000 foot deep ditch filled by the sea and containing the most comprehensive minefields the world has ever seen. Mines so sensitive that breathing within 20 foot will be enough for them to detonate. And so effective that anything within 20 foot will rise 50 foot into the air. Imagine the fun viewing from the English side. Perhaps the English can set up a range to try to hit anything 30 foot above the surface with white phosphorus shells. Royal Artillery and 1st Armoured Division? Perhaps the Royal Navy could sail through. Witgh the map and the remote control to switch the mines off. Just think how hilarious it would be for the RN to switch off a sector of mines and then switch them back on. “They're off the noo. Oops, no they're not, Jimmy. Jimmy? Jimmy? Come on down, Jimmy”. Could the scotch be as stupid as Africans? Of course they could. There are over 5 million scotch. Has anyone found a scotch brain? As far as I can make out, the best anyone has been able to find is a scotch egg. Eggs make me vomit. Have done for at least 60 years.

    May 05th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Thursday will decide the result,

    if no outright winner, then coalitions will be negotiated,

    Apparently if this fails, their can be another referendum by the end of September,

    the experts state two scenarios can trigger another referendum,

    but hey, this will be a very interesting election, and whatever your votes or chooses, Mr fararge has stated that it will change British politics for ever,

    but as far as I am concerned as long as I get my vote in an in-out referendum on Europe, then that's ok,
    Cameron as good as he may be, cannot be trusted,
    clegg lives in cuckoo land
    miliband is more confused that than confused.com,
    the greens are a nice colour,
    and the rest don't really matter.

    just my humble opinion...lol

    May 05th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #2
    Yes,actually I do although I cannot see any evidence of cognitive thought in your posts.
    #14/3
    Do you think they would be scared of loud-mouthed bums like you...dream on !
    #14/11
    Do you actually think things through in your advanced stage of Dementia ?
    Don't you know that Britain signed the Treaty banning land mines in 1999.
    So you would be perfectly happy for England to be shown as a bunch of liars in the International scene having hidden stocks of these since the treaty was signed.
    Has it ever entered your skull of reinforced concrete that the British Armed forces have personnel recruited from all over the UK and beyond. You “think” that they would carry out your deranged ideas of genocide?

    “ Could the scotch be as stupid as Africans? Of course they could.”

    Yes. I agree with that. Stupidity is endemic in all peoples.
    However, could we ever be as stupid as the English ?
    As you are the prime example of “English” stupidity you take the prize. We could not compete with that.

    #13
    The answer to the SNP “ruining” the UK is interesting. I thought that the current Conservative party are doing a fine job on their own.
    If the SNP did win 65 seats, so what ? They could be outvoted at every turn by the two major parties. Labour and Tory could reach a compromise on their bills and this would leave the SNP powerless. But that would require sense.
    It's much easier to blame the “Scots” for shortcomings of the major parties.

    May 05th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    We should really wait until Thursday and Friday morning,

    as far as fate goes, what will be==will be.

    May 05th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    These 'problems' have been brought about by the mainstream parties ignoring the issues that really concern people, and the fact that they are far too arrogant.

    This is why we are seeing a shift to other parties.

    We may as well get used to coalition governments, because it could be the future of British politics.

    That aside, I'm really hoping for an outright victory for someone (my preference would be the Tories), because otherwise we're going to have to put up with watching the politicians doing 'deals' with each other.

    Remember the last election? It took days before we had a government. I want it settled quickly. It's bad enough having to put up with them in the run up to the election without it dragging on and on and on.

    And if they don't form a government? Then we all have to go back to the polls, which is something that I think we can all agree wouldn't be a good thing.

    May 05th, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • toooldtodieyoung

    4 Islander1

    “My prediction - a Con-Lib Coalition again- with UlsterUnionist and UKIP giving tactical votes”

    It's a nice thought innit? ANOTHER 5 years of laurel and Hardy in No 10 except that, after 7th May, the Liberal Democrats will have ceased to exist as a political party

    “Dave”?? Man of the people? Wouldn't trust him as far as I could spit him. Too interested in selling us out to the EU

    Ed Miliband? God help you if you vote Labour, I mean really, God help you if you vote Labour. How short must your memory be to do that?

    Nick Clegg? I've heard of him....He's supposed to be a politician isn't he?

    Nigel Farage? Last best hope for this country before we are either sold out completely to the EU or we suffocate under all the EC red tape.

    Just a thought.......

    May 05th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • EscoSes Doido

    14 Conker.
    Jeesuss min, the SNP, and Scotland are currently part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    Nae a 'scotch' entity as you erroneously state.

    May 06th, 2015 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @19 Farage will never be PM and he stated he doesn't want to be. We can all be grateful for that.

    I will vote tomorrow and hope that enough people do so to prevent the prolonged negotiations we had to live through last time. Though It does seem likely that we will.

    May 06th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Very few countries in the world have the luxury of having a electable politician that has not made a career out of politics and can stand single handedly against an entire panel of raging dishonest leftist students and the biased presenter as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4ZPAkNldnw

    And he only gets between 10% to 15% of the votes ???!!!

    OR..... they are electing the tories to stop Milliband and Labour from coming to power again, or they are simple retards as the peronists in Argentina.

    May 06th, 2015 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    20=Jeesuss min, the SNP
    Nae a 'scotch' entity as you erroneously state

    translate please.

    May 06th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @22 That is because the majority do not like his policies. That's democracy.

    May 06th, 2015 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    24.
    Ohhh so bullying and senseless abuse that Farage puts up against in almost all the debates he participates in, is British democracy??

    And no, its clear and by far; its not that they dont like his policies, they are not even interested in his policies what they do is hate what he stands for and represents.

    Just like Madame Le Pen.

    May 06th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @25 I don't think even Farage thinks he is being bullied. Relax. He is probably a little miffed that he has been Sturgeoned.

    Free voting is democracy.

    May 06th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    UKIP
    is not racist , fascist , communist , or the nasty party,
    the other parties are just jealous that a new party is not only on the block, but a rising party they will, and is changing British politics,

    that is why , now,, all the other parties are playing Catch Up,

    am I not correct,
    or course not everyone will agree, that's democracy,
    and probably the oldest and best in the civilised world,
    just saying like.

    May 06th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    24
    What policies...he only has one...

    May 06th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @27 Playing catch up? Are you joking?

    All this talk of it being the new party on the block is a bit of a nonsense. How many seats can they actually win? If you read a wide range of polls they predict between 1 and 4 seats. UKIP claim they can win 22. This is out of 650 seats. Even Farage will struggle to win in his constituency. And he has said he will resign as leader of UKIP if he doesn't become an MP.

    The truth is there are still only two main parties. What makes this election so interesting is the minor parties scrambling for third place. It won't be UKIP but it might be the SNP.

    May 06th, 2015 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Actually you are not a democratic country at all. And the essence of your last post proves it.

    Your system -the winner takes it all- sucks as it only serves the main traditional Westminster parties and the political establishment. That can only work balanced and properly if there was a two party system like they have in the US.

    I have to check the numbers but it seems to me at first glance that in sheer numbers of disenfranchised English votes for Farage are completely misrepresented in Parliament, and may even exceed or at least tie the total votes the SNP can harness even if they win all the seats in play in Scotland.
    Its bullshit.

    Britain will long be europeized and islamifized long and will die old, before the good Brits get a referendum.

    May 06th, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @30 Well, it works well enough for us and it doesn't affect you in the slightest. Just because you don't think it is a democracy doesn't change the fact that it is.

    You should relax or put that energy into changing the system in your country where corruption at the ballot box is rampant and not even covert.

    May 06th, 2015 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    31
    “Well, it works well enough for us”

    I know that the system has served you well and I don’t think you are retarded at all. You fend off the tax payer, trips abroad, etc, and I don’t particularly find you qualified nor smart. Why would you change it?? Just vote for Dave or Ed, its the same.

    So I wonder who is “us”. It certainly is not the British average people

    But this is basic maths and common sense.

    Lets see
    This is out of 650 seats in play....

    UKIP polls on average 15 %.... So if your system was democratic or fair the actual polls should translate in a number of seats near 97 or 98. Because 15% of 650 seats is 97.5 seats. Now yourself admit UKIP can only hope maximum 22 seats. Less than half of the half they should be entitled to from a demographic point of view. Hell right or wrong, even Argentina has a far more representative Congress of what the people have chosen!!


    Now all that said, fair enough I cant blame you for the reasons I have mentioned earlier. But dont come to me saying that you live in a democracy.

    Even the best chefs in Paris cant make cakes out of shit.

    May 06th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @32 You are incapable of debate without insults. That is a poor reflection on you not me.

    You are talking about proportional representation. Even if that applied UKIP would not be the party in power, or even close. I actually think they will not do as well as first thought because Farage has not had a good campaign. The performance of the party leader has a big influence here. Against all the odds we may well see the LibDems poll ahead of UKIP. I still think SNP will cause the most upset.

    Tomorrow night we shall see.

    May 06th, 2015 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    32
    A democratic vote....
    6 people vote where they want to go on holiday....
    3 vote for Paris
    2 vote for London
    1 votes for Barcelona...
    Paris it is...even though half of them didn't want to go to Paris...

    100,000 in people in Argyll & Bute vote who they want to represent them in Parliament....
    15% Vote for the Labour candidate...
    30 % Vote for the Liberal candidate...
    55% Vote for the SNP candidate....
    The SNP candidate wins the seat and becomes the MP....there cannot be 3 MPs for a small area...
    The majority won the vote...
    The same procedure will be repeated all over the country...
    Is it as fair as the Paris vote.....What is the difference...?

    May 06th, 2015 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Thats telling.
    A British first class bureaucrat and a lazy Scotsman. The perfect example of the ones who benefit from the current system, hence wish to uphold it and refuse to recognize its fundamental flows and undemocratic nature..

    33
    Please explain where I have insulted you (?)
    “Even if that applied UKIP would not be the party in power, or even close. I actually think they will not do as well as first thought because Farage has not had a good campaign”

    And how does that apply????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    OK bring your mother and your daddy to explain it for you. Lets see.

    650 that means 100% of the seats in game. Farage's UKIP accounts for 15% of the total UK vote... how an earth is that he can only gain 22 seats maximum ??? For fucks sakes he doesnt even get half of what he should!!!!

    34.
    2 can go to London for that matter .

    Regionalisms may matter, but demographics too. And the system is clearly oversided to regionalisms and the large parties.

    And you are immoral to the core if some shitty rocky islands in Western Scotland should determine and have a better say than many of the 17% of England... and not to mention the system is not democratic. Those a MILLIONS that are not represented and Scotland only is a 5 MM how can they possibly get +40 seats and UKIP with English votes alone should total 8 M, they will only get 10 or something like that

    Argyll & Bute is too small?? Too bad then, add them up to Glasgow and have it incorporated into a single district for that matter or better still, make demographic factor count more. It’s not an impediment to anything and with good will it can easily be fixed

    LOL, have you guys even being tought maths at school???

    You are not a democracy.

    May 07th, 2015 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @35 Wow. You are not afraid to show your complete ignorance of a democratic system.

    Why are you so excited about UKIP? Surely it doesn't affect you at all.

    May 07th, 2015 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    UKIP
    is not racist , fascist , communist , or the nasty party,

    What I stated is factually true,

    but lets not cry over spilt milk,
    conservative or labour, they are the main two parties,

    but ukip still gets my vote,

    all the experts now reckon that the two party state is over,
    the basic fact is, if they wont listen to the people, then the people will vote elsewhere,

    for far to long the main parties have ignored the people concern, and thus why more and more parties are cropping up,

    As ben Wilson stated, if only you listened to the people, instead of your own vanity, I would not be force to vote for another party.

    still,
    today is the day, and tomorrow we will all find out,
    I say, may the best win, and the losers, lose gracefully.
    just saying like,

    May 07th, 2015 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 Actually, there have always been more than two parties. There are two major parties and a lot of minor parties. The fact that there are many parties but only two major parties is the will of the people. We have the vote.

    May 07th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Quite agree,

    but one would suggest that the main two, pull their finger out,

    May 07th, 2015 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    35
    Elaine is right do a bit of Googling before you display your ignorance...
    I also didn't realise with the simple analogy that I would have to explain that the 6 people all go on holiday together....
    I can't be bothered going into the details...but...Argyll & Bute is not too small all areas are divided into a voting district that will be represented by one MP...
    So for example Argyll would have 1 whilst Glasgow would have 10...
    So in effect all voting across the UK is Regional...
    BTW...I don't have a problem with Maths...but for simple calculations I use Arithmetic...
    Lazy...? Me???...I've just pressed you (weight) behind my neck 4 sets of twelve this morning...but then again there is not a lot to you is there...? ;-)

    May 07th, 2015 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @40
    “I also didn't realise with the simple analogy that I would have to explain that the 6 people all go on holiday together….”

    I understood the analogy for a democracy.

    “2 can go to London for that matter”

    That statement says so much. CD2 cannot understand the concept of democracy and ceding to the majority decision. It really sums up why Mercosur doesn't work.

    May 07th, 2015 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ohh silly me... So a vote in a deserted island off Scotland effectevely values more than double than a vote in England. Traditional Westminster Parties are almost irreplaceble.

    FACT

    Plus between 50% and 80% of your laws are made in Brussels...

    FACT

    And that is a “democracy”.

    As I said, even the best Chefs in Paris cant make cakes out of shit.

    May 07th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @42 “Ohh silly me... So a vote in a deserted island off Scotland effectevely values more than double than a vote in England. Traditional Westminster Parties are almost irreplaceble. ”

    Seriously, do a bit of research before you post.

    The big parties exist through the will of the people that bother to vote. Do you understand how democracy actually works?

    May 07th, 2015 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    “Seriously, do a bit of research before you post.”

    Is that an argument ???

    Do you really want that?? If I do further research Im sure that I will come to the conclusion that a vote is some miserable island in Scotland is worth 10 times the one in Southern England.

    “The big parties exist through the will of the people that bother to vote. ”

    Look dumbarse, if your system was actually democratic and reflected the will of the people the conservatives should only gather round 220 seats.

    In 2010, I have just checked the numbers, LibDems are only 3.9 MM votes less of the Tories, so on average 35K votes for each tory seats, LibDem seats account for 120K total votes.

    Are you kidding me ?? Is that democracy ???!!!!

    You already have over half your laws made in Brussels the only ones that are made in Westminster reflect very poorly the actual will of the people.

    For fuck sakes, stop lying and taking me for a fool. And you guys complain about Argentina???

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @44 There you go with the insults again. You just can't help yourself, can you?

    Yes, it IS democracy. And thank all the Deities and Demi-Gods that we have a system that reflects the will of the majority of people rather than the minority bully-mouths. When you live in a democracy you have to accept the majority decision regardless of your own personal view. I don't think you could live in a democracy so you are best suited where you are.

    Look up the meaning of democracy for a start.

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Well I insult you because you are actually DUMB & STUPID, Elaine!!!

    You don’t know how to debate, you don’t put up an argument at all.

    It’s all superfluous bullshit you are made of, you never say anything of any substance.

    I explained why your system isn’t reflecting the will of the people, why its overwhelmingly sided with the big traditional parties and regionalisms with FACTS and you stupidly reply

    “Yes, it IS democracy. ”bla bla bla [what do you know about democracy]

    What a load of horse shit.

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @46 I'll take that as a win.

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    #44
    Are you actually Pauli?
    The language is very similar... deserted island.shitty island. miserable island.
    You certainly don't like people who live on islands. I presume this is an Argentine trait.. By the way, if an island is deserted then it means that no one lives their so how could they vote ?

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    47.
    By all means, take that as a win....... for good old Cabeza Dura.

    48.
    Do you care about my language and diplomacy or the actual substance of what I say???

    May 07th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @49 Why are you having a pink fit over UKIP not winning the general election in the UK? It is just weird.

    May 07th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    50.
    Ohh whatever, now reduce it to that, you are so ridiculously basic when you flounder Elaine..

    I think I have always stated my preference and admiration for parties like the FN in France and UKIP in the UK.

    He represents a challenge to the establishment. That is why you are threatened by him. Just as the lazy Scots here do.

    It’s the way the world works. People who benefit from the system will defend it beyond reason and morality, and I will applaud and side with those who denounce it.

    You cant sell me shit for cake. I’m too smart for that. And don’t give me this “Ohh you argie, what do you know about anything” ... Exactly, because I was brought up in Argentina I know why you are bullshiting me and why I see the value in someone who challenges the mainstream establishment power base and ideas.

    May 07th, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @48 No, this has TTT's infantile speech all over it.

    @51 I will indulge a little further. Yes, I benefit from living in a democracy where the majority preference is recognised. I don't live in a place where extremists views can override the majority. It is a fair system. Everyone can express their views and the people vote.

    That you, personally, prefer UKIP is interesting but has no influence on the wider population of the UK. I can see why it appeals to you, personally, to latch onto a party that panders to your prejudices.

    And just to clarify, Nigel Farage does not threaten anyone. He is a fairly mild-mannered bloke who likes to gab off when he has had a few pints. We have people like him in every pub in the country. He did tap into the Little Englander demographic and he has raised awareness that these people exist and want to be heard. Good. Let them speak and address the issues they raise.

    By the way, Nigel Farage has said that if he does not win his seat in parliament (it is in the balance) he will quit as leader of UKIP. I suspect he wants a cushy job in Europe but let's see how that pans out.

    If you want to see the real Nigel Farage, watch the short programme called When Stef and Dom Meet Nigel Farage - I expect it is on Youtube. He comes across as a decent enough bloke who drinks too much and never wants to be Prime Minister. See what you think.

    You are not smart at all. You lose your temper too easily to be taken seriously.

    May 07th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    51
    How things change...I remember once upon a time when you liked and respected Elaine....;-)))
    What Island are you talking about...? Bute is small so for Governmental purposes it is combined with the region of Argyll on the mainland...
    You have a funny logic...I just voted and no one forced me to choose a party or MP...no one from Brussels.... no Government...zilch...
    My vote will probably not achieve the result I would like, but I'm not complaining it's a democracy and the party with the most votes will win..

    In fact I didn't vote for the party that I wanted to win....
    I don't want that idiot Miliband winning, I want the status quo to remain...
    In Scotland a Conservative vote is a waste of a vote, they have no chance and one cannot trust the SNP to not have a coalition with Labour despite what they say...
    So I had to vote Liberal in hope that they have a chance of winning the seat....
    ...I'm not complaining it was my choice.....
    I'm betting the SNP win this seat....

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  • ElaineB

    @53 I think tactical voting will play a big part in this election.

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  • CabezaDura2

    53.

    Well to be fair she was not the first and the last lady to break my heart and disappoint me........ :´-(((

    Yeahhh more like Argyll and Chew Bute
    I mean, what do you want me to honestly think about Scotland.
    They just voted No to independence, because mostly it would be damaging for the economy and other social terms. But automatically the Scots vote far more SNP parliamentarians, to get “Scotlands voice heard in Westminster”

    So sentiments aside it was all about the goodies and perkies, nicely done & well played.

    Not to different like the Argentine Patagonian provinces like Chubut, TdF and Santa Cruz.

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  • Voice

    54
    I agree especially in the marginal seats...
    55
    Isn't it all about the goodies and perks....?
    I should have technically voted for the SNP for Scotland's self interest...but they don't run the UK economy and that has always been my Self Interest....

    ps.... Women will always disappoint ...it is a natural trait, probably it works both ways....

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  • Buzzsaw

    CD2......OK imagine that on average UKIP polled 15% of votes across the UK, so in a constituency, the UKIP representative may get 15% of the votes, however a Labour/Conservative or other party may get 35 or 40% of the votes and win that seat. That is democracy in action, the person who gets the most votes in a constituency wins the seat.
    UKIPS 15% was not enough to get them a seat or another way to look at it 85% of the people in that constituency didn't vote for the UKIP representative, so why should he have a seat?

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  • CabezaDura2

    “UKIPS 15% was not enough to get them a seat or another way to look at it 85% of the people in that constituency didn't vote for the UKIP representative, so why should he have a seat?...........”

    How can you say that when all day long all I here is tactical votes. Exactly how many of the 40 % of tory votes would potentially go to UKIP if there was no Labour threat..???? Its imposible to say

    Admit it your system sucks, and it works the same way even for the left... How come the LIB dems with only 3.9 million votes less in 2010 than the Conservatives ended with 6 times less ???

    NUMBERS dont lie.
    Its simple 35K votes for each tory seats in parliament, LibDem seats account for 120K total votes. So to get a Con/Lab seat elected its far more cheaper than getting a LibDem, in fact 3.5 times.

    Plus to mention more than half of your laws are made in Brussels.

    “Winner takes all” may have only worked when Labour and Conservatives dominated British politics like it did for a century or so. And what it does is prevent a hung parliament, exactly what you will get now.

    So despite the winner takes all system you have you end up with a coalition government ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It can only work with a two party system like in the US, so hence the difference between UKIP and Conservatives over membership of the EU would have being settled long ago in a Caucus.

    But you dont have that.

    What you have now is a country that clearly wants to leave the EU and it cant do so in order to prevent a even worse option from coming to power. That is not democracy, apart from the fact that over 50% of the laws are made in Brussels

    The point about democracy is to fullfill the will of the majority not the dictatorship of the majority.

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  • ElaineB

    @58 We don't have a 'winner takes all' system. We have a 'first past the post' for each constituency. The MP in each constituency represents the people that live there. So the majority of the people in each constituency gets the the MP they voted for.

    “What you have now is a country that clearly wants to leave the EU ”

    Says who? You? I understand why you support UKIP if that is your view but it is not the view of the majority.

    The whole point of a democracy is that everyone gets to vote and accept and abide by the decision of the majority.

    You are for some unfathomable reason angry that the people of the UK don't agree with you. Why is that? And why were you so angry that the Scottish people decided to remain a part of the UK?

    “The point about democracy is to fullfill the will of the majority not the dictatorship of the majority.”

    That makes no sense at all.

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  • toooldtodieyoung

    59 ElaineB

    “We don't have a 'winner takes all' system”

    FPTP has been working fine up to now. Just think yourself lucky that we live in a true democracy....

    Still, it could be worse.... We could live in argentina where they still have the old Party-that -buys-the-most-votes-wins system, or has it changed now, to Victory by ballot box rigging and intimidation?

    BTW just a thought. The reason that UKIP only poll about 15% of the vote is that the BBC ( and it's EU, leftist backers ) count the UK as a whole. UKIP support is actually higher if you only count ENGLAND, the lack of support in Scotland and Wales drag the percentage down but the BBC ( seekers of the truth?? ) won't let us know the real figure.

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  • ElaineB

    @60 We should have the figures by tomorrow morning. It will be interesting to see.

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  • CabezaDura2

    Elaine, please get lost. FACTS AND NUMBERS DONT LIE, they dont spin.

    UK polls over a decade have shown that most of the people in the UK want to pull out.

    “You are for some unfathomable reason angry that the people of the UK don't agree with you. Why is that? And why were you so angry that the Scottish people decided to remain a part of the UK?”

    Errr???..........No, twat.

    “We don't have a 'winner takes all' system. We have a 'first past the post' for each constituency. The MP in each constituency represents the people that live there. So the majority of the people in each constituency gets the the MP they voted for.”

    Errr???..........No, twat.

    The winner takes it all and the minorities have to suck it. Yes thats how it works.

    British democracy is a joke.

    And since you ask on the other thread how proportional representation would work... well its easy. The good tax payers vote UKIP, Nigel gets elected and you get sacked and you cant fart around in Chile and Argentina any longer and give away foreign aid.

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  • ElaineB

    @62 I particularly love that you have no clue about what I do for a living. Keep guessing.

    And keep posting because you make yourself look more stupid with every post.

    P.S. UKIP are having a bad night.

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  • CabezaDura2

    63. Of course, because you say so it must be true...

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  • Heisenbergcontext

    Under the preferential system in my country UKIP would win a similar number of seats here i.e. very few. None of the two major party's would direct their preferences to them. On the other hand a 15% federal vote would translate to a significant representation in the senate, meaning all those people would at least have a voice in parliament.

    A UKIP equivalent would never get my vote, however I believe it's important that the minority ( and 15% is a large minority ) have an official representation, even if I don't share their views, since the alternative increases the likelihood they will seek other, less peaceful, ways of making themselves heard.

    I believe it would be in the UK's interests to change it's electoral system to reflect those possibilities.

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  • Skip

    “British democracy is a joke.”

    Yes but what a successful joke!

    May 08th, 2015 - 06:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @64 Yes, it is true.

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  • CabezaDura2

    67.

    OK, do you really think that if paulcedron, Think or toby et al would get away with saying that Britain is a democracy in name only, that the system is scam ??? If any of them would say so they would be crucified and cut to pieces. We know this

    So if it were true I making such an idiot of myself, where are Im I getting the backlash from being so????


    I say you are no democracy, I have provided SOLID BACKED ARGUMENTS AND FACTS as to why you are not

    And guess what, its only you bitching around.

    May 08th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @68 Playing the victim? You are good at that.

    So, what about Farage not even getting elected? Even he thought it was a bad night for UKIP.

    Three resignations so far. Miliband, Clegg and Farage all throwing in the towel. The opinion polls got it wrong and so did you.

    The majority voted for a Conservative government and that is democracy.

    May 08th, 2015 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    “Three resignations so far. Miliband, Clegg and Farage all throwing in the towel. The opinion polls got it wrong and so did you.”

    Errr..............What did I get wrong ??

    Enlighten me, please

    Did I ever predict any results whatsoever?? All I basically said after a fast look over the electoral system in the UK, is that the system is utter rubbish and completely undemocratic, before the results came, before any leaders had quit.

    In fact all the other threads over this topic and posters are actually starting to take note.

    May 08th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    70
    I can't believe you are still flogging this dead horse of the UK not being a democracy..
    This has taken everyone by surprise...no one predicted it....
    Which means it was not a forgone conclusion...which one would expect from a undemocratic system...
    Surprises all round and I got what I wanted, but not quite in the way I wanted it...

    May 08th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @70 It WAS a bad night for UKIP.

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  • CabezaDura2

    71. That is not the definition of democracy... Democracy is when people elect their own representatives.

    Until two days ago I did not know Argentina is more democratic than the UK is.

    Now that is a suprise! Imagine what one could find out tomorrow.

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  • ElaineB

    @73 We did just elect our own representatives.

    May 08th, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    74. You may, but 4 million votes for UKIP did NOT, Scottish labour is the second largest force in the nation and you can hardly notice.

    May 08th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    75
    ...you mean SNP....;-)

    May 08th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @75 You still can't understand can you? We freely elected our government. It is the choice of the majority.

    In a democracy the majority governs. The majority of people voted for a Conservative government. More significantly the majority did not want UKIP to govern. Your team lost. Nigel Farage has thrown in the towel but one UKIP MP was elected. You can take some comfort from that.

    May 08th, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    76. Calm down Darling, you can still fly in first class, stay at the Hyatt in Santiago and live in the wealthiest hoods in BsAs and go to watch polo in Palermo at the cost of the tax payer. Like fuck someone like yourself is self or private employeed.

    But stop pretending its about UKIP. Its about the system.

    I understand facts and numbers. That is why you are not a democracy.

    “The majority of people voted for a Conservative government. More significantly the majority did not want UKIP to govern”

    Actually the majority of people voted against labour and Ed Milliband.

    UKIP was the party to most grow in total share of the vote, actually UKIP has done the best. In a democratic process in any country a party like that even if lossed it would be in a up and incoming party.

    The system is made to uphold Labour and Tory and regionalist parties. Its not democratic at all.

    For a UKIP, LIB DEM, Green or whatever party you need a generation or two of constant leadership and heaps of $$$$ to actually get to number 10.

    Its impossible to actually get to power under those circumstances.

    May 08th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @78 Bless you I have never worked for any government. Your jealousy is palpable. You and TTT have a lot in common, you guys should meet up.

    You need to stop worrying. It doesn't affect you, does it? What ever we wished for individually in our election, the majority get their wish.

    May 08th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Ha!!

    You dont work for an executive government you mean, that makes you still a bureaucrat ....and a very expensive one.

    I have no problem at all with what you do or what you consume as long as it would be private, but the fact is, you are payed by the tax payer. Because that makes you a part taker. Dont you forget that.

    How are you bullshiting??

    May 08th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @80 Nope, you are completely wrong. The 'tax-payer' doesn't pay me or fund any part of my work. Though I do pay tax.

    You need to look at yourself. You are putting all that hatred and distain into a complete figment of your imagination. You have woven a complete fantasy about my life that couldn't be further from the truth. Don't you feel a little bit stupid?

    May 08th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CabezaDura2

    Elaine, if you were not tax payer funded you would have said so long ago. You are simply lying.

    Just by the order in which you deny things is telling.

    Someone like you is not privately or self funded. It just doesn't exist.
    You are clearly not a business person. You are not a numbers person. You are all diplomacy and PR. You work for the British State.

    May 08th, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @82 Fantasist.

    And what does 'someone like you' do? You clearly don't work for a living.

    May 08th, 2015 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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