MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Chile's renews 'explicit' support for Argentina's Falklands/Malvinas claim
The Chilean government has renewed its 'explicit' support for Argentina's sovereignty claims over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, according to Daniel Filmus, the Argentine official head of the special department for affairs relative to the Malvinas Islands, who is currently in a political tour in Santiago. Read full article
Comments
Disclaimer & comment rules“according to Daniel Filmus”
May 12th, 2015 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Says it all really, doesn't it?
No Chilean government official has said anything publicly.
Poor Filmus. A man with no future...just like his country.
explicit support ?
May 12th, 2015 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the importance of resolving the sovereignty dispute through dialogue, as established by UN Resolution 2065”
they don't actually say that Argentina's claim is valid
Useless rhetoric. Filmus knows that Chile hardly supports Argentina in any way.
May 12th, 2015 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good point “according to Daniel Filmus”...
May 12th, 2015 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it Filmus will meet with everyone except any of the democratically elected Falkland island leaders?
Seriously would it not be a great wheeze to send so Falkland Islanders to some of these press conferences, with Journalistic credentials to ask the awkward questions.
Also often the meetings are in the public domain and Filmus loves to stand outside and rant on. So why not have some Falkland islanders question him directly, so he cannot run away.
Chicureo - buenos días.
May 12th, 2015 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comments please1
”the importance of resolving the sovereignty dispute through dialogue, as established by UN Resolution 2065, which ... the UK continues to refuse to comply”.
May 12th, 2015 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rubbish. The Resolution requires that the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands be taken into account. The UK have taken the best and fairest course of action by asking said inhabitants to represent their interests at negotiations.
The Argentine representative turned and ran rather than allow the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands to represent their interests.
Not to mention that Argentina modified their constitution in order to demand that any negotiation end with them being given the Falklands regardless of the facts of their fake claim, or indeed the Islander's interests.
It is *Argentina* that refuses to negotiate in good faith. That may not be disputed.
If Filmus really wanted to help reach a fair resolution to Argentina's dispute, he'd first agree to stop lying. Given the name of his conference - “Malvinas, Colonialism XXI century” - I think it's fair to say he's got a long way to go.
@4: An excellent point and idea. However, I'd remind you of the last time Argentina was faced with the prospect of dialogue with the Falkland Islanders - where Timerman ran away rather than allow them to represent their own interests, as I mentioned.
Argentina has a sovereignty claim without a case and that can only mean that it is an illegitimate claim and worthless:
May 12th, 2015 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
2065 from 1965 is d e a d. What was stated as 'interests of the inhabitants' is now 'inalienable rights'
https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
“Academia.edu is a platform for academics to share research papers. The company's mission is to accelerate the world's research.
May 12th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Site and Services are intended solely for persons who are 13 years of age or older.”
“10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims” ..uploaded by....Brit Bob
Other fascinating papers uploaded on this site include....
...“Leprechauns_and_Gold_an_Observers_Perspective”
and others...
Argentina would have to satisfy all the criteria in order to claim sovereignty.
May 12th, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0But lets look at just one...
Self-Determination. The ICJ has made 4 Advisory Opinions and 1 Judgment that all confirm or state, ‘that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.’ There are no exceptions. A motion to place restrictions on the right was defeated by the UN Fourth Committee on 20th October 2008 making it an inalienable right.
let me repeat: ‘that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.’ There are no exceptions.
So how does Argentina plan to take over the Falklands without the Islanders agreement? Such actions would be illegal under international law (remember 1982).
So trolls, discuss...
Ho-hum, more hot air.
May 12th, 2015 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l think that malvinista hot-air(i.e. bullshit)should be measured in Filmuses.
Well they've got Kelvins for measuring temperatures.
@8 Voice The truth is out there...
May 12th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Both the Chilean foreign minister Heraldo Muñoz, as the presidents from the Lower House and the Senate have openly expressed their historic solidarity position towards Argentina in the Malvinas question”, said Filmus on Monday..”
May 12th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well he would say that, wouldnt he?
lol
May 12th, 2015 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 010
May 12th, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lord Kelvin....from....I don't know where...a stab in the dark anyone....? ;-)
11
....“@8 Voice The truth is out there...”
....your truth uploaded by you.....;-)
...I noticed another interesting paper uploaded....
....Mermaids:_Marine_Conservation_and_Endangered_Species ....I think that was uploaded by Troy Tempest....;-)
14. Voice. In 'Argentina's Illegitimate Sovereignty Claims' I & II x20 points have been raised. Why don't you try to present a credible alternative to just one?
May 12th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 015
May 12th, 2015 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and I will raise you.....“the Moon is made of Cheese”...
...and of course not provide any “Factual” links to substantiate that statement..
Just like your uploaded papers...all 24 of them....
You appear to be following the same route as Terry Hill....passing off opinions as fact....
Just because you express your opinions on a site...doesn't make them fact...
...Another interesting article uploaded....
...“Big Foot: A_ Comparative_Sasquatch Study”.... I think that was uploaded by Toby....
@4
May 12th, 2015 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Seriously would it not be a great wheeze to send so Falkland Islanders to some of these press conferences, with Journalistic credentials to ask the awkward questions.
Also often the meetings are in the public domain and Filmus loves to stand outside and rant on. So why not have some Falkland islanders question him directly, so he cannot run away.”
Yes. The islanders in the future will take the offensive and challenge many meetings like this to prevent Argentina's kangaroo court mentality where the Islanders are not allowed to represent themselves.
@9
“So how does Argentina plan to take over the Falklands without the Islanders agreement?”
With great difficulty-the one hurdle preventing the Malvinas Myth becoming reality is that the Argentines are afraid of 3000 people because the UK prevent the playground bully from invading them.
Also, @6
“ The Resolution requires that the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands be taken into account. The UK have taken the best and fairest course of action by asking said inhabitants to represent their interests at negotiations.”
And if Islanders could be present at negotiations before 1982 (Franks Report 1982 or 1983) then they can now.
17
May 12th, 2015 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ The Resolution requires that the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands be taken into account. “
Great wording....that means first it needs to be established...Who the ”legitimate” inhabitants of the Falklands are....
Voice is a typical K sympathiser, belittle and demean anyone who thinks differently from them. Very weak comments, Voice, you usually do better, and at least make your comments somewhat interesting, but really the childishness of your responses are too trivial!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 18 Voice. 'Interests of the inhabitants' was appropriate in 1965 but this is now 'inalienable rights' confirmed by the development of international law. Hence the Secretary-General's words 'I don't think Security Council members are breaching any 'relevant' UN resolutions.' 2065 xx is dead.
May 12th, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Distraction.
May 12th, 2015 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Pay your debts.
20
May 12th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bob...can I call you Bob...? Bob...
My bad, let me correct that....
“ The Resolution requires that the 'inalienable rights' of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falkland Islands be taken into account. “
Great wording....that means first it needs to be established...Who the ”legitimate” inhabitants of the Falklands are....
“...Secretary-General's words 'I don't think ”
What does that sound like...an opinion...?
I have already proved on other threads that he is fallible and his opinions are not always fact....
19
Correct as usual ....because “Simon says”....
Voice says.....you are confusing belittle and demean with highlighting the difference between presenting facts and opinions....
21
...Starve the Trolls....
#22
May 12th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is your solution to the impasse between the United Kingdom, the Falkland Islanders and Argentina ?
Someone should tell Sr Filmus that the world has computers with internet access, hence.
May 12th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN resolution 2065 says:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/2065(XX)
“finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objective of the charter of the UN and of GA resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the Islanders”
The UN charter says:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/2065(XX)
a. to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;
b. to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement;
Resolution 1514 (XV) says
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/2065(XX)
“the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples”
Ban-Ki Moon says:
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/2065(XX)
Exactly who does this fool Filmus, think he is fooling, apart from that idiot Voicey.
No mention anywhere by anyone ever of “establishing who the legitimate inhabitants are”
Although that would be an absolute scream as far as the Planter population of
Argentina (Creole Republic of) were concerned.
Does the Chile Government (if you can call it that after this week) agree with these twats?
May 12th, 2015 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wouldn't have thought so.
23
May 12th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooo...good question Clyde....putting me onto the ropes or in to the corner....
Complete Independence...
or Total absorption into the British or Argentine Countries....
I don't mind paying British taxes for British Counties or departments....
..but I object to free loaders that want to have benefits, but not pay the price....
All or nothing.....
Taking into account interests, but not wishes....
@8, 14, 16, 18, 22. Got anything intelligent or valid to say? Thought not. TROLL!!
May 12th, 2015 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@24. Mr Tunmus (sorry, Filmus) has a problem.
Everybody can read United Nations General Assembly resolution 2065. They can note that it suggests that the provisions of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) might be relevant.
Slight problems. Nine countries abstained from the vote on United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV). One of those abstainers was the United Kingdom. Nor did the UK sign or ratify the resolution. It has no meaning for the UK. Then, UN General Assembly resolutions are NON-BINDING. Therefore, neither 1514 or 2065 have any relevance to the UK. Why doesn't Tumnus (sorry, Filmus) read this? He could save himself the trouble of uttering all the claptrap he comes out with.
But there's another funny little matter that Tumnus (he does look like an evil faun, doesn't he?) 'forgets' to talk about.
It's a legal principle called 'uti possidetis' that has been confirmed as valid by the ICJ since 1982. It's a principle in international law that territory and other property remains with its possessor at the end of a conflict. Who was in possession of the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands on 14 June 1982 when argieland surrendered? That's right, it was Britain. AKA Great Britain or the UK. Mr Tumnus is revealed as a numpty trotting around the world, on expenses , being a fool in public.
@22 Voice
May 12th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. 2065 xx clearly states 'and the interests of the islanders'
'Interests of the islanders' may have been appropriate for 1965 but no longer relevant today as confirmed by UNGA 2734 xxv of 16 Dec 1970, part 17 that states, 'Urges member states to reaffirm their will to respect fully their obligations under international law in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Charter and to continue to intensify the progressive efforts towards the progressive development and codification of international law.'
The international law on self-determination has developed continuously since 1965 with the UN ICJ confirming on 5 occasions that 'the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL non-self-governing territories.' That means that the islanders get to chose how and by whom they are governed. In the light of the ICJ East Timor Judgment, the UN International Law Commission and UN Human Rights Commission have determined that the right to self-determination is jus cogens 'compelling law.' 2065 xx is d e a d.
No brains around this table.
May 12th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I you people would think a bit more, you will take advantage, and make the most of it. Time past very fast, compromise, be cleaver!
Looks like it you will end up in some horrid place in the UK.
Any of you know the Koran? I think you will need it there! Just an advice.
@26 Voice
May 12th, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina dropped it's claim then the British tax payer would not need to be paying anything towards the Falklands. Of course it is entirely possible that the British government would still want to keep some troops down there for training purposes, not that many places where you can do combined forces training with low flying jets.
I'm wrong?… .I'm wrong!!! Again!
May 12th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Made myself look like a complete twat…
Better have a blast on the bagpipes…
Oops, someones punctured the bag…
Peeeewahhhhh…
every time some trivial twat mentions Argentina and these mystical Malvinas, the uneducated part of the world goes nuts, cries and bellows to all and sundry, wail like a wounded animal,
May 12th, 2015 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claims to be the victim, and the few brain washed who listens gets upset,
And yet, this same untrustworthy corrupt dictatorship still refused to take it to the ICJ,
If any of these stupid backward indoctrinated fools really truly believed that Argentina had any, and I mean ANY case, they would demand Argentina takes it to the ICJ,
For the basic reason they refuse or won’t, tells the rest of this world that are educated and free, that someone is bloody lying,
And who do you think that country is,,,I will leave it to you,
CFK is using you decent argentine against the islanders to distract you from the state of your own country that she has bankrupt and destroyed, and it trying to blame some one else,
Argentina should be made to go to the ICJ or just soddy offy.
28
May 12th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't blame me I was first quoting Pete Bog @17..blame him...
and second .....adapting the quote to include 'inalienable rights'....
...and why...because 2065 was applicable to the Falklands and the Falklands only...
and 2734 is a general “Urging” by the UNGA...and does not refer to the Falklands in any way nor does it mention the phrase....'inalienable rights'.....
...and if you are so keen on specific words.....
“Wrong. 2065 xx clearly states 'and the interests of the islanders'”
.....2065 doesn't anywhere include the word “islanders”....as long as we are clearly stating.....
It's truly amazing how one can adapt a non specific “Urge” to supersede an actual specific resolution...
...like Terry.....low on facts and big on opinions and interpretations.....
Come back when you have something of value...that can be tried and tested....
I can see from your papers that you are not familiar with submitting papers for academic scrutiny.....
Where are the links or references to your sources....?
@33 Voice
May 12th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do realise that UNGA resolution 2065 was INVALIDATED by Argentina on 2 April 1982, don't you?
The Argentine government can cry on about it as much as they want, but their illegal invasion of British territory, followed by their refusal to follow a BINDING UNSC resolution to remove the illegal occupation forces, means that EVERY SINGLE UNGA resolution up to that date was invalidated.
But EVEN UNGA resolution 2065 (which was based on Argentine lies), stated that the interests of the people of the Falklands HAD to be taken into account.
However, since UNGA resolution 2065 was invalidated by Argentina, and subsequent resolutions have stated that ALL NSGTs have the right to self determination...WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and this means that UNGA resolution 2065 is well and truly dead and buried.
Only the losers in Argentina keep digging its corpse to wave about. But what the losers in Argentina WON'T do is take it to the ONLY international body that could legally order a change of sovereignty.
Lets look at these international bodies that Argentina has cried, lied, crawled and begged to.
UNGA - doesn't have the power to order a change of sovereignty.
UNSC - doesn't have the power to order a change of sovereignty.
C24 - ditto
OAS - ditto
MERCOSUR - ditto
UNASUR - ditto
Santa Claus - ditto
Catholic Church - ditto
The only international body Argentina hasn't gone to with it's begging bowl is the ONLY one that had the power to do it, namely the International Courts of Justice.
So can you answer why Argentina has gone to the ICJ IF it's sovereignty claims are so legitimate?
In fact
@34 LEPRecon,
May 12th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't think that they've asked the Dalai Lama yet!
@35 lsolde
May 12th, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He wouldn't give them the time of day let alone an interview!
As for my post @34 I meant to say “why Argentina HASN'T gone to the ICJ”. Damned fat fingers on the mobile!
@34
May 12th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You do realise that UNGA resolution 2065 was INVALIDATED by Argentina on 2 April 1982, don't you?”
This is a common British misconception. The Falklands weren't invaded by Argentina at all, but by Arjuntina, a completely different country that was mysteriously occupying the same space as Argentina at that time. So the invasion doesn't count, and what's more it wasn't an invasion anyway.
Some people have also claimed that in conformity with UNGA 2065 the UK was negotiating with Arjuntina until some weeks before the war, but that doesn't count either because the UK has obviously failed to grasp that when the UN says “negotiate” it really means “capitulate”. So the war that wasn't a war is all the UK's fault anyway. And that's why the victor of the war that doesn't count is now supposed to capitulate 30 years later. Committing political suicide in this manner is the only way a UK government can save itself from Argentine hissy fits in front of every irrelevant body anybody can possibly think of.
And of course Argentina only wants dialogue and negotiation. That's why Alicia Castro was appointed ambassador.
34
May 12th, 2015 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Waffle, waffle, opinions...then more waffle then asking for my opinion....
I like facts....and the only fact that I would like from you is the one that rescinds UN resolution 2065 as stated by the UNGA....
I would like that link please....
....or do you have more opinionated waffling to offer me....
...and...
..“So can you answer why Argentina has gone to the ICJ IF it's sovereignty claims are so legitimate?
...your ”tense” could do with a little work with that question....
I like facts. All waffle 38. Stinky troll more Filmus plant. Peple are no idiot. Facts are fact, Argentina forget truths. It is to take peoles minds away noting else. Peple are tired,peple have other problems. Noone beleve such things only Mad Max peple
May 12th, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Latams envy the UK.
May 12th, 2015 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 039
May 13th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is it a distraction Ferdinando
Are you struggling to make yourself quite clear
Do you some help Ferdinando
I will always take the time to help you if I can
Your broken English
Doesn't mean you are a lesser man
There was something in the air that night
The stars were bright, Ferdinando
They were shining there for you and me
For liberty, Ferdinando
Though we never thought that we could lose
There's no regret
If I had to do the same again
I would, my friend, Ferdinando
.........;-)))))
Voice is one of the Abba girls in drag????
May 13th, 2015 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Voice argues for argument sake.
May 13th, 2015 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 043
May 13th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0No I don't...
I like facts===
May 13th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0F-false-A-accusations-C-counteract-T-true - S-statistics=FACTS...lol
38 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 13th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I like facts....and the only fact that I would like from you is the one that rescinds UN resolution 2065 as stated by the UNGA....I would like that link please....”
Argentina Cannot rely on UNGA resolution 2065 due to it's failure to obey the binding directives of the UNSC. On the basis of the “clean-hands” doctrine, to wit:
“INTER ALIA-STUDENT LAW JOURNAL: A COMMENT ON THE CLEAN HANDS DOCTRINE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW. Rahim Mo loo
INTRODUCTION
Equitable principles are a part of international law. The International Court of Justice (”ICJ”) has confirmed that “the legal concept of equity is a general principle directly applicable as law. Among those equitable principles that international tribunals have applied is the concept that a claimant's claims may be barred due to its illegal conduct inrelation to the claims he brings. This concept is known as the ”clean hands doctrine.“ As Sir Gerald Fitzmaurice has summarized:
'He who comes to equity for relief must come with clean hands'. Thus a State which is guilty of illegal conduct may be deprived of the necessary locus standi in judicio for complaining of corresponding illegalities.”
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPagecollection=journals&handle=hein.journals/ialia7&div=13&id=&page=
46
May 13th, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh No Terry giving me links to opinions.....(link doesn't work either)
Was it a link to the UNGA rescinding resolution 2065...?
I somehow don't think so....
Since when is it illegal to invade what you believe is your own territory...?
I would have thought there would need to be a sitting and a judgment first to determine if you were or were not “invading”....
..and that judgement would then determine whether or not you had clean hands....
As there hasn't been a judgment concerning the sovereignty issue of the disputed territory...then your supposition is more opinionated hot air....
...back to the drawing board Terence me old son....
The USA should defund and abandon the UN then revoke their visas so they all have to leave in 90s days.
May 13th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN has been an utter failure and a sinkhole of cash.
I hope the next US Prez slowly cuts off funding until it dies its rightful death.
47 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 13th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here is a renewed link but your now going to cough up money if you don't accept my posting as true, in order to refute it.
Your sophistry fails again as such a doctrine is binding on the ICJ as it follows it is a fortiori on the UNGA resolution. It is also yet another block to any aspirations Argentina may have to using the ICJ.
http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPagehandle=hein.journals/ialia7&div=13&id=&page=
@33 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 02734 xxv 16 Dec 1970, part 17, Urges member states to respect their obligations towards the progressive development and codification of international law. Therefore ''Interests of the population of the Falkland Islands'' in 2065 xx may of been appropriate in 1965 but as resolution 2734 xv confirms, has been outdated by the development of international law as UNGA 46/181 of 19 December 1991 confirms 'that the UN reaffirms the inalienable right of self-determination of the peoples of the remaining non-self-governing territories...'
What was 'interests of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands' is now 'inalienable rights.'
Is this my lucky day or what...?
May 13th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've got both Terry and Brit Bob...two birds (not very bright ones) with one stone....
...from Terry no link from UNGA rescinding resolution 2065 and avoids the obvious flaw in his argument as to illegal or otherwise....
...and Bob with another opinion....
“Therefore ''Interests of the population of the Falkland Islands'' in 2065 xx may of been appropriate in 1965 but as resolution 2734 xv confirms, has been outdated by the development of international law as UNGA 46/181 of 19 December 1991 confirms 'that the UN reaffirms the inalienable right of self-determination of the peoples of the remaining non-self-governing territories...' ”
Show me where is the mention of “inalienable right ” where is the mention of the Falklands or their interests and more importantly where does it state that talks resolving Sovereignty is not longer applicable in resolution 2065....?
You can't because it doesn't...
Do either of you have any facts at all....?
Sistah, A long time ago I asked you what was a lonely bitter guy from the as*end of nowhere care about Argentina or The Falklands? What's your connection? Have you ever been to either place? Why would a “Scot” (sure) support the nasty K regime and not the peaceful Falklanders?
May 13th, 2015 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You never answered me.
How come?
I think I know.
:)
fred...Fred...FRED!!!
May 13th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0at the risk of repeating myself......
...and I replied...I used to live in Germany once and then I moved, but now it has fcuk all to do with me....
Do you see the analogy concerning yourself....?
My taxes that I currently pay give me an interest in this dispute....
What is your current interest...?
....that you used to live there....?
...there is more isn't there...come on spill the beans...is it the Ex...?
My guess is you take more than you put into the Gov't so it really doesn't.
May 13th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's the real story?
As I said before when Odumbo took over as Prez I was terrified the USA would become Argentina. Thank goodness that isn't going to happen. That's why I spent so much time here debating uneducated low class goofballs such as yourself.
and supporting the Falklands is the right thing to do.
Argentina never owned them and never will own them
fred...Fred..FRED!!
May 13th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I answered your question...take it or leave it....
I probably pay in Tax to the UK Govt more than most people earn....
I even pay tax to your Govt and get virtually nothing in return....
Do anyone on here believe Fred's excuse for his bitter and constant attacks on Argentina...???
.....because he feared the USA was going to become Argentina....Oh my...Oh dear...that's soooo...believable...;-))))
...is it the Ex...? What did she do....tell us...?
Voice is a paid Argentine troll. It's not worth the effort to answer he/she/it!!!!!
May 13th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...because Simon says....
May 13th, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Simon...
An Argentine...that is always attacking Argentina...that is always defending the UK...calls anyone that disputes the UK's stance a Troll....
Does this ring true of an Argentine or does it ring true of a Cuckoo...
Have we reached 'Peak Filmus' yet?
May 13th, 2015 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you said “you can believe me or not” it doesn't change me life.
May 13th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I should start calling you Diego from your delusions of grandeur.
BTW if you had any money you wouldn't claim to own/live in Trout Run or Dunoon.
Nobody would.
There's not even a decent place to eat or shop.
And fyi Burlington Coat Factory is for poor people in case you were wondering.
By the look of it there's a distinct problem with body lice in both those towns.
@51 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a simple concept. Easy for most to understand but back in 1965 the UN ICJ had yet to make any Judgments or Advisory Opinions regarding non-self-governing territories. Between 1971 and 2010 they had made 1 Judgment and 4 Advisory opinions that all confirm or state, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL NSGTs.' The UN International Law Commission and UN Human Rights Commission regard self-determination as 'jus cogens' compelling law.
2734 xxv confirms that the new principles of international law such as the right to self-determination arte incorporated into the UN Charter. Therefore words like ''interests of the inhabitants of the Falkland Islands'' are no longer appropriate. Overtaken by new principle of international law. 2065 xx is d e a d.
As Ban Ki-Moon confirmed: 'I don't think Security Council members are violating relevant UN resolutions..' He should know.
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
60
May 13th, 2015 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”However Ban Ki-moon also insisted that the UN aims to see the conflict between Argentina and Britain over the Falklands/Malvinas resolved through dialogue, peacefully adding he was “concerned about the strong statements exchange between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.
I'm not being funny Bob...but wasn't that the main stipulation in Resolution 2065...?
Therefore are you saying that part of 2065 is dead or all of it....
..because as far as Ban Ki Moon is concerned it is very much alive...
I've seen this somewhere before....cherry picking parts of resolutions to suit their own argument....
Are you and Terry a team...?
@61 I'm afraid you are wrong
May 13th, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Human rights -v- dubious territorial claims.
Today's 'inalienable rights' -v- 1965's 'interests of the inhabitants'
The ICJ has already determined the winner.
And BKM is aware that sovereignty was discussed in the late 1980s and early 90s where agreements were made regarding fisheries, flights and hydrocarbons - all voided by uncle Nestor.
Facinating Filmus Fantasies- odd that Chilean Govt departments every week send export documentaion of goods flown to the Falklands addressed:
May 13th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From xxx dept of the Govt of republic of Chile to: xxxxxx dept of the Gvt of the Falkland Islands (UK).
All these are standard type international export documents - not a word of Malvinas anywhere.
Sheesh Sistah how come you never realize when you've lost?
May 13th, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good gracious one would think you were an Argentine.
Wouldn't one
:)
@61
May 13th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN being in favour of peaceful settlement of disputes through dialogue and negotiation is like the Mothers' Union being in favour of motherhood. Of course they are. It doesn't mean the UN has anything to say on the validity of the dispute, something it has conspicuously refrained from getting involved in. Notrdoes it mean that there is any support for Argentina's reliance on a 50 year non-binding resolution which the UK respected and which Argentina broke by starting a war, and which has since been superseded nby numerous other events and judgements.
You do argue like an Argie, in partocular you seem to suffer from the common delusion that any weakness you can allege in the UK's position must equate to corresponding strength in the Argentine position. That ain't so. Everything is a balance, and Argentina has nothing much to put on its side.
62
May 13th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm afraid you are wrong Bob....
2065...
“Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over these islands, we invite the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to find a peaceful solution to the problem,
BKM's statement...
“the UN aims to see the conflict between Argentina and Britain over the Falklands/Malvinas resolved through dialogue, peacefully ”
Do you see the Similarity Bob...do you...?
Not dead...mostly quoted by BKM.....
65
It's interesting that you bring to attention what the UN doesn't say.....
Yet ignoring the FACT that it doesn't say anywhere in any UN resolutions that 2065 is no longer valid....
So your post doesn't have a point and doesn't really say anything....
@66
May 13th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN doesn't have a formal process for repealing resolutions, except by passing further resolutions which supercede. Refer to what Brit Bob and Terence Hill have been telling you, and you might get the idea.
67
May 13th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So give me the specific resolution...NO URGES mind you... that dismisses 2065.
I'm Urging you to do this...
No generalisations please either....
All I'm getting so far are Urges and generalisations...
Are you asking them to prove something that doesn't exist?
May 13th, 2015 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you aren't an Rg?
R U Sure?
So back on the post on why you are concerned about the Falklands it is tenous at best but okay..
Now why do you support the Kthugs?
Why would a nobody from the as*send of nowhere even know about the Kthugs and then support them?
Its really odd...
I see Hans has decided he was getting out of his depth and scuttled off....
May 13th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I really don't have the time to entertain an idiot know nothing Yank as it's a gorgeous day the sun is shining and I've got an acre and a half of lawn to cut...
So instead of prolonging the agony...fun that it is...I'm going to wrap this up...
Show me the resolution that supersedes 2065...
Don't bother I'll show you the resolution that supersedes ...“2734 xxv 16 Dec 1970, part 17, ”Urges member states to respect their obligations towards the progressive development and codification of international law.“
”December, 1973, through UN General Assembly Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) which was approved by a wide margin of votes in favor, and no votes in opposition. This resolution recognized “the continuous efforts of the Argentine government” and declared “the need to accelerate the negotiations provided for in Resolution 2065 (XX) … in order to achieve a peaceful resolution of the dispute over sovereignty existing” between the governments of both countries.”
If I'm not mistaken 3160 comes after 2734 and reaffirms 2065....
Thank you folks for your indulgence...but my grass awaits....;-))))
Is that a gorgeous day in Chubut? I think its a bit chilly in Dunoon.
May 13th, 2015 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny how both places are coldish and windy and gosh you know what so is Trout Run.
Hmm
Odd.
what I do know is that you are a liar and bitter lonely guy...
@66 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objective of the charter of the UN and of GA resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the Islanders”
“bearing in mind the provisions and objective of the charter of the UN and of GA resolution 1514 (XV)”
And what does the “charter of the UN and of GA resolution 1514 (XV)” say?
They say, the same as Ban-Ki Moon says, that the Islanders have the right to self-determination.
Which as Bob says is now enshrined as a fundamental right of all peoples.
Whether you consider 2065 to be dead or alive, the Islanders have the right to self-determination.
So unless you have some proof that the Islanders do not have the right to self-determination, as far as the UN are concerned, you lose yet another argument.
One more link for you, as I am good like that:
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/index.shtml
A little basic research into the subject would prevent you repeatedly making such a complete twat of yourself.
72. A link isn't going to fix his twattiness problem.
May 13th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its genetic.
@73 yankeeboy
May 13th, 2015 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not forgetting.
http://www.un.org/press/en/2011/gacol3215.doc.htm
@70
May 13th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Curiously, I am able to resist the pleasure of your company for short periods at least.
That's another fine Argentine debating trick, by the way, declaring yourself the winner when you are unable to grasp the counter argument, but mostly it's only other Argentines that are fooled by it.
74. Meaningless I tells ya
May 13th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meaningless!
It doesn't mention the obscure one from 50 yrs ago so it meaningless I tells ya.
:)
That's another fine Anglo debating trick, by the way, declaring the winner, the loser when you are unable to counter the argument, but mostly it's only other Anglo's that are fooled by it.
May 13th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ta da....;-))))
@77
May 13th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet you were a right hoot in the playground too.
You argies are arguing over peanuts again,
May 13th, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK has a right to go to the UN and demand all these resolutions and agreements,
has she,??? at the UN not in her garden,
she has a right to go to the ICJ ?? has she,, not in her garden.
prove it or lose it,
and Argentina lost it, so stop crying like babies you are embarrassing your selves.
@66 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Putting it simply, 'interests of the inhabitants' of 1965 has been replaced by 'inalienable rights' conformed by ICJ Judgment and Advisory Opinions of the 21st century. Easy. That's why every year the UNGA confirms that there is ''no alternative'' to self-determination in decolonization cases.
70 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 13th, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Argentina reduced to to pot-banging, since any attempt to use ICJ would be barred under the aegis' of 'extinct prescription' and the 'clean-hands doctrine'; as her failure to act in 'good-faith' has resulted in her own limitation. As “there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”. Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Ian Brownlie
As any amount of international law countermands any and all none-binding advisements, thus game, set and match.
80
May 13th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and not a single link to this replacement....
....as bad as Terry and all his opinions on Extinctive Prescription and not one piece of legislation to prove it...
Do you two ever have any facts at all....
http://www.un.org/press/en/2011/gacol3215.doc.htm
May 13th, 2015 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@82 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNGA resolution 39/6 of 1984 made the last reference to UNGA resolution 2065 xx by the General Assembly. Between 1982 and 1988 the General Assembly made annual calls for the UK and Argentina to end their differences. This was achieved in 1990 with the restoration of diplomatic relations. UNGA resolution 43/25 of 1988 was the last time that the General Assembly issued a resolution on the Falklands. 2065 xx from 1965 is clearly d e a d.
84
May 13th, 2015 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...apart from...
WTF is BKM doing reiterating 2065 in 2012...?
”However Ban Ki-moon also insisted that the UN aims to see the conflict between Argentina and Britain over the Falklands/Malvinas resolved through dialogue, peacefully adding he was “concerned about the strong statements exchange between Argentina and the United Kingdom”.
..perhaps someone should have told him that 1988 was the last time that the General Assembly issued a resolution on the Falklands and that his echo of 2065 is truly dead....
that is until the next time 2065 is mentioned by the UNGA.....
82 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 13th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your sophism is not fooling anyone since other than the UN Charter, treaties and those considered binding international law jus cogens, there are no specific international statutes. There is no other authority other than ICJ, PCA, UNSC et al. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law Since Argentina has abused all of their authorities and there is no definitive judgement, we are left with nothing other than the written opinions of experts in international law. Of which the “whole slew” re: # 159 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_international_law ”..Daniel K. Gibran, James Francis Gravelle, Oppenheim, BIN CHENG, Aditi Agarwal, H. Lauterpacht, Rosalyn Higgins, David J. Bederman; and Gentian Zyberi; judgements: The 1885 Williams Case; Gentini case - H. Ralston and W. Doyle. Venezuelan Arbitrations of 1903, Italian-Venezuelan Mixed Claims Commission (1904), 720;“ I have presented are totally apposed to the Argentine position, with not one presenting an adverse opinion. Argentina cannot claim 'inheritance' since she was specifically barred under the Anglo-Spanish treaty, the Peace of Utrecht: Article VIII; ”...it is hereby further agreed and concluded, that neither the Catholic King, nor any of his heirs and successors whatsoever, shall sell, yield, pawn, transfer, or by any means, or under any name, alienate from them and the crown of Spain, to the French, or to any other nations whatever, any lands, dominions, or territories, or any part thereof, belonging to Spain in America. ...”. Likewise, there is not one treaty or a single solitary aspect of international law that Argentina can adopt in her spurious claim.
@85 Voice
May 13th, 2015 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The evidence:
2065 xx of 1965 'interests of the inhabitants' and to talk about sovereignty and settle differences -v-
(i) Talks take place under the sovereignty umbrella and agreements are reached on flights, fisheries & hydrocarbons. Normal diplomatic relations are restored.
(ii) Between 1971 & 2010 the UN ICJ issues a Judgment and 4 Advisory Opinions that confirm or state, 'that the right to self-determination is applicable to ALL NSGTs.' UNGA votes on 20 October 2008 rejecting a motion to place restrictions on the right.
(iii) UNGA 2734 xxv 1970 already confirmed that new principles of international law such as the right to self-determination (as ii) are incorporated into the UN Charter.
(iv) The last reference to UNGA 2065 xx by the General Assembly was made by resolution 39/6 of 1984.
(V) The last time the UNGA issued a resolution on the Falklands was 43/25 of 1988 and that didn't even mention the word 'dispute' just to negotiate an end to their differences. (Agreements were made and diplomatic relations were restored).
(vi) The UN Secretary-General confirms in Nov 2012 that the UK was not in breach of any 'relevant' UN resolutions concerning the Falklands.
Clearly, the very essence of self-determination is to affirm that it is solely up to the inhabitants of a NSGT to determine how and by whom they are governed.
Clearly UNGA 2065 XX or ANY UNGA resolution that calls for 'bilateral talks' is dead. Hence the Secretary-General's words.
86
May 13th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thank goodness for that...it took you all those words to finally admit that you have no legislation only opinions....
..and as we all know they are not facts and may well be wrong....Hooray...!!!
87
“Clearly UNGA 2065 XX or ANY UNGA resolution that calls for 'bilateral talks' is dead. Hence the Secretary-General's words.”
and his words in 21012 were.....
wait for it....
it's coming....
with a grand entrance.....
......“the UN aims to see the conflict between Argentina and Britain over the Falklands/Malvinas resolved through dialogue, peacefully ”
Why can't you show me one resolution..one statement from the UNGA that shows that the UN does not support dialogue to settle the Sovereignty dispute between the UK and Argentina...?
Would it be because there isn't one....;-)))
Clearly and absolutely, the right to self-determination affirmed by international law, kills off 'any' UNGA resolutions from the 1960s that calls for bi-lateral talks on sovereignty.
May 13th, 2015 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that an opinion Bob...coz I can't seem to find any UNGA statement to support that...
May 13th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you hiding one from me...is it secreted in the inside pocket of the Scarlet Pimpernel...because it appears to be as elusive....
We seek him here, we seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
Is he in heaven?—Is he in hell?
That, elusive pocket of Pimpernel.
Oh and....;-))))
88 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 13th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True, “.. you have no legislation only opinions....”. Boy!! but so many opinions, and two judgements. Also a treaty that totally bars Argentina. While all you present is sophistry, no legal opinions, judgements or treaties or other legal citations.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-only-picture-you-need-to-see-to-understand-why-inflation-in-argentina-is-so-insane-2015-5
May 13th, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0See what they Falklanders are missing out on....
Sistah, you never answered why do you support the Kthugs?
Why
Why
Why????
Voice,
May 13th, 2015 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you get your grass cut, Think?
92
May 13th, 2015 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kthug...?
You really ought to read my posts carefully...I merely highlight the errors that other people make in their generalisations...and “factual” suppositions....
I see no support for anyone....
93
Isolde...
I did get it cut and without a ride on mower, every year I talk myself out of getting one favouring the exercise and every year I regret it....
Where IS Mr.Think...? I used to have his support...a comrade in arms....
I hope he is OK....my kind of humour...two peas in a pod....
You must miss his jesting.....
Sistah, I'm not the one with the reading comprehension problem. You don't highlight errors you make up something then when you're proven wrong you change the goal posts and claim you were right all along.
May 14th, 2015 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will remind you of the claim you drive 3hrs time from Pearson/JFK /Dulles to Trout Rnn. 80mph AVERAGE on the hills of PA.
Sheesh what an idiot.
You said it then me and Cap debunked it, made you look like a fool and you disappeared.
Remember?
You're a miserable loser and you've been one your whole life.
#5 gordo1
May 14th, 2015 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know, we're stuck with a whining kleptomaniac neighbor to the east, that constantly bitches about “recovering” their mythical Malvinas and all we really do is to pretend to show sympathy while being stuck in the middle of this ridiculous dispute. Of course we remain secretly supporting the British and still trying to soothe relations with an increasingly confrontational nut case living in the Casa Rosada.
Meanwhile we have some mad Bolivian Indians currently trying to take back their sea access at the ICJ which has us a bit concerned as we never expected Peru to win in the last judgement. Only God knows what a bunch of European judges will do...
@90 Voice. Self-determination as confirmed by the UN ICJ kills off 2065xx. You don't have bilateral talks with third parties when NSGTs have the right to determine how and by whom they're governed. Simple.
May 14th, 2015 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you lot having to prove to these brainwashed argies
May 14th, 2015 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0the legalities and ownership of the Falkland's,
Should not THEY prove why they think they own the Falkland's,
let them come up with the proof,
then perhaps they will take it to the ICJ,
they have no proof , and no intentions of taking it anywhere except to the toilet,
so they say.
@98
May 14th, 2015 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FALKLANDS remain British until Argentina can prove that they are not, simples really.
The FI remains British until rotting roadkill can wrest them from their present control.
May 14th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go,
May 14th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as Argentina cannot prove it, they will remain British...
And Argentina will remain,, just..
94 Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
May 15th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I merely highlight the errors that other people make in their generalisations...and “factual” suppositions.” No you don't you engage entirely in the subterfuge of viveza criolla.
The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
May 16th, 2015 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0#103
May 16th, 2015 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have missed your automatic posts for the past few weeks.
Why not change it to approx. 300 months or 1300 weeks or 9100 days.
At least that would be a change from the banal repetition of a tired worn out discredited piece of wishful thinking.
Hepatia - Guess you are taking the dispute to the Int Court of Justice sometime then are you? That is the ONLY Int organisation that could decide - the UN cannot - it can suggest talks - that is all the power the UN has.
May 16th, 2015 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its been saying 25 yrs for the last 5.
May 16th, 2015 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe longer
The countries of Latin America should have other more important priorities than wasting their time with Argentinian silly, mental fixations about an imaginary “malvinas” territory.
May 16th, 2015 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
95 yankeeboy
May 16th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You said it then me and Cap debunked it, made you look like a fool and you disappeared. Remember?”
....................and just like that.......He was gone....... I guess it's pretty hard to stick around AND not be right huh thinkwannabe?
Think??
I mean ( sorry ) Voice?
108
May 16th, 2015 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Huh..?
I ignored the fool...for lying...he debunked nothing...must have been one of his “scary” predictions...
Were you sat there for ages trying desperately to Think of something to post about...?
...give it a miss it was underwhelming....
Ps....Pops doesn't like him..he thinks he's a fraud...a Yankee wannabe from Argentina...an Immigrant....
...don't tell him I told you so....
Well I will say Cap's coherence comes and goes with his blood pressure. I find some of his rants very distasteful. As I have well expressed.
May 16th, 2015 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't ignore me silly fool you were beaten and slithered off.
As I have said my family has been here for a couple decades short of 400yrs. Basically in the same area of the East Coast, Senators, Cabinet Members, Congressmen, Governors, Founded Colleges, founded large (and still thriving ) companies w/ homesteads still standing in 5 states, a lot can happen in 4 centuries.
I am very proud of my heritage and all the good things my forefathers have done for this country.
...yeah...so you say, without proof...
May 16th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm descended from Adam...
beat that...
Oh wait a minute....Doh!
Since you claim to know who I am you can search Ancestry and see all the way back to our arrival in 1635 (both sides) and then back to 1400 in England before that its a bit sketchy.
May 16th, 2015 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also Sistah your claim to know me or not know me as it works with your debate is wearing thin.
If you know me you know everything I post is true.
If not too bad for you.
stew in your envy
it suits me just fine.
@ 112 yankeeboy
May 16th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't overlook the probable fact that “Voice” can trace his ancestry all the way back to 1945 when he was sired by a Yank on his way home from WW2.
Stranger things have happened! :o)
Hepatia
May 16th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you seem to have missed all the updates since you have been gone,
Argentina will now return its lands to the original population by 2024.
@112 yankeeboy,
May 16th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01635, thats pretty impressive.
l traced some of my English ancestors back to Gloucestershire in 1767.
The foreign element was a closed book however.
@113 ChrisR,
Looks like others are onto Think/Voice too!
l could be generous & say that they've just been to the same school! lol!
112
May 16th, 2015 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0fred..Fred...FRED!!!
Ah....I see an entry on the ships log for a Master Bates....
.........;-)))))
Oh dear ...it's the way I tell em.....
Read and comment please.
May 17th, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=790920
This is how crazy people are in Argentina and how justice can be bought.
113 ChrisR
May 17th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Don't overlook the probable fact that “Voice” can trace his ancestry all the way back to 1945 when he was sired by a Yank on his way home from WW2.”
But arn't all argentinians Immigrants? that is to say, we'rent their forefathers thrown out of every civilized country in Europe?
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/05/12/chile-s-renews-explicit-support-for-argentina-s-falklands-malvinas-claim#comment397682: First, I am not a country so I cannot take anything to the ICJ. Additionally, my country would have no standing before the ICJ in any potential case. Further, my government has historically and currently taken a position of neutrality regarding the 'Malvinas question'.
May 19th, 2015 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0What you British wingnuts need to recognize is that in spite of your obsession with the question of the administration of the Malvinas most of the world does not consider the matter very important. The truth is that this issue is no more than a straw in that wind which blows neither from London or BA.
The return of the Malvinas within the next 25 years will generate no more than 2 or three paragraphs in the media when it occurs.
@119 Hepatia,
May 19th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats nice. l'm happy for you.
No one taking any notice of you?
You are right though about one thing.
The world does not consider anything very important, about the Falklands.
And the world thinks even less of Argentina's ridiculous “claims”!
But some people are getting interested with the latest oil news.
The breakup of Argentina within the next 25 years will generate maybe one paragraph when it happens.
Commenting for this story is now closed.
If you have a Facebook account, become a fan and comment on our Facebook Page!