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Argentina invokes unity and rejects proposal for a more 'flexible' Mercosur
Brazil and Uruguay's plan for a more 'flexible' Mercosur to speed negotiations for an encompassing long delayed trade agreement with the European Union have stumbled with the first official reaction from Argentina, which does not agree with the tariffs' proposals policy or individual trade initiatives from member countries. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesExcellent argieland. You're quite right. Allowing 4 other countries to decide what is best for them is totally inappropriate. How thoughtful of argieland. Here in the UK, there probably aren't many people who want to buy anything from argieland. Not too sure about Venezuela either. Is Brazil going to quit pretending to be a major economic power? Do Paraguay or Uraguay have anything we want? Hang on, I can see a major problem. The Falklands are part of the overseas countries and territories of the European Union. Has this been dealt with in the negotiations? Don't think you can exclude the overseas countries and territories of the EU from an agreement with the EU. So argieland might lose a good part of its power. Want a deal? Get those ports open. Quit interfering with totally legal innocent passage. Stop trying to conduct economic warfare.
May 26th, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well Argentina is signing the death warrant for Mercosur. Not everyone wants to remain as backward and poor as Argentina.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Further, Dovena “claimed that the European Union has always wanted to make deals and trade agreements, which only favor its member countries.”
Aaaah DERR! That is the most logical statement ever.
This is the end of Mercosur is predictable Argentina answer they are backwards they are progressing just like Venezuela.
May 26th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0None of the MERCOSUR countries will do anything to displease our unconditional alliance with Argentina.
May 26th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We prefer to stay poor with Argentina on our side that we become rich without Argentina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F19PnbWigSA&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=12
Mercosur and all the rest of the “surs” and etc seem to be just a reason for politicians to get together to talk about socialism and kiss and pat each other on the back. There don't appear to be any benefits for the ordinary person. Its not like you can go to other countries and make purchases and bring them back to protectionist Argentina.
May 26th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0#4
May 26th, 2015 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You speak for the WHOLE of Brazil ? Your country is doomed !
The sooner this Devil's Pact known as Mercosur is disbanded the better for Uruguay.
May 26th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0The argies don't pay for what they have of us, especially the electricity, and they discount our exports and take months to pay what they claim is a “fair” amount.
The sooner TDC are isolated, like they claim they want to be, the sooner they will descend into civil war and hopefully get rid of the parasites running the country.
I told everyone this would happen last year.
May 26th, 2015 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil will tell Argentina either get on board or we're out
watch and see
I think the chickens can see the roost.
May 26th, 2015 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Distraction:
May 26th, 2015 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Deadbeats - pay your debts.
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www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
Internationally #107 with a 34 score.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
@4 Brasshole
May 26th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What bullsh*t ! your brain must be the size of an amoeba...“we'd rather be poor with Argentina than rich without them” ?????...don't make me LMAO !
The main reason why Argentina refuses to accept the possibility of other Mercosur members signing trade agreements outside the block, is because CFK does not want to sink alone.....If I were fat D - and thank God I'm not - I'd send CFK and Maduro to hell ! And, I think that is what will happen.
Tell your government in London to negotiate with Argentina.
May 26th, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the only Argentinian citizens that do not like Argentina. Funny no?
Well, the divergence comes into the open.
May 26th, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay are intent on doing this.
Question becomes what Argentina is going to do, if indeed it can do anything about it.
Going to be interesting to see what happens next.
Argentina just cannot compete on an equal trading platform. They have hidden behind Mercosur but stabbed their 'partners' in the back too many times. They have worn the patience of their neighbours and they are not in a position to repair the damage.
May 26th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12. Who are you talking to? Squish argieland under the British military boot. Negotiate? This is the way it will be. Together with the US we will block every attempt at loans. We will make you beg for money. Then we will destroy the source of that money. Argieland is so stupid.
May 26th, 2015 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Tell your government in London to negotiate with Argentina.
You are the only Argentinian citizens that do not like Argentina. Funny no?'
Completely unintelligible. All argie war criminals deserve to die. Is it 43 million now?
Poor Paraguay and Uruguay. Sort of like having first class tickets on the Costa Concordia...
May 26th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...drink your glass of Champagne and eat your canapés, this will not end well.
rejects proposal for a more 'flexible' Mercosur,
May 26th, 2015 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so rigid it is then,
mind you, the American Indians used to say, he who will not bend with the wind, ??
The Argentina government is right in refusing to open the floodgates to imports from EU.
May 27th, 2015 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are always, powerful pressures to relax trade barriers; everybody wants to sell to others. But unequal trade allowed by local accomplices has kept Latin American countries as providers of raw materials, killing in the egg any attempts to develop strong domestic productive sectors.
Two extreme “free” trade experiments, one during the 1970s dictatorship and the other under the Menem administration in the 1990s made the foreign debt and unemployment balloon, destroying the incipient national industry. The epilogue was the default of 2001.
18@ mascot of the regime: Then Argentina should leave the mercosur and follow its own policy and joint the pariah countries of the world like Iran and Syria, Russia and all the others countries in Africa and leave the others along and stop being an obstructionist to progress in the region.
May 27th, 2015 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0All the Mercosur are happy to set up so called multi billion $ deals with China and other countries that are not controlled through Mercosur.
May 27th, 2015 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2015/02/17/brazil-and-argentina-agree-accords-signed-with-china-will-not-affect-mercosur
It seems to be Argentina using Mercosur when it suits themselves.
I know about china they gave them Credit in Chinese Yuan that is a currency that is not accepted in international transactions.(worst than Patacones)
May 27th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is like the company store, you give me all your natural resources and then you exchange the Yuan to dollar and pay me in dollars is like the old company store gimmick what a bunch of idiots.
LatAms are commodity producers at best. They are incapable of executing significant value added processes.
May 27th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0----------------------------------------------
When (if) the current set of thieves leave power the next group will have to audit YPF, ANSES, BCRA, ETC - to see if anything actually ever did exist.
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www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
Internationally #107 with a 34 score.
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Enrique Massot: “Here It is, all the issues of a nation of forty-some million people explained in just seven words. We are all liars.”
@12 psql
May 27th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0???? what's all that gibberish ?? who are you addressing, and what the hell are you talking about ?? makes no bloody sense. Get a brain !
Opinion poll, Clarin, May 25:
May 29th, 2015 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Daniel Scioli of FpV leads with 33.1 per cent of intention of vote.
Follows Mauricio Macri of PRO with 32.2 per cent.
Sergio Massa is now trailing at 13.8 per cent.
www.clarin.com/politica/elecciones_2015-encuesta_0_1362464147.html
Scioli has gained 10 points in two months.
Clarin, March 25:
Macri: 26.4 per cent
Massa: 24.2 per cent
Scioli: 23.1 per cent
www.clarin.com/elecciones_2015/Elecciones_2015-encuestas-Macri-Massa-Scioli_0_1327067470.html
It does not look like Argentina is a sinking country as media inside and outside the country would like to make people believe. On the contrary, many Argentines do appreciate the work done by Nestor and Cristina, in spite of relentless attacks and blatant lies published by dominant media outlets.
@ 24 Brain with a Mass hole Of course the people like what they done the people who vote do not work and get checks from those who work.
May 29th, 2015 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Populism, they reproduced like rats and they get subsidies they are people who do not contribute they only take , Argentina will become Venezuela it will take longer but eventually will be Venezuela.
@18 Enrique Massot
May 29th, 2015 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whether it is right or wrong for Argentina, the issue here is now that Brazil, Uruguay and Paraguay are going to do it anyway.
Which is going to leave Argentina in a club with just Venezuela.
Clearly more open markets do not seem to hold the same terror for these other countries, which they do for Argentina.
Free trade with the EU is likely to significantly affect Argentinian exports to those countries.
In or out, Argentina is going to be significantly impacted by these “trade deals” done by other Murcosur members, with no “seat at the table” when the matters are discussed and decided.
In 2012, EU-Argentina total trade amounted to 18.3 billion.
May 29th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The balance of trade in goods was slightly favourable to the EU in 2013 and 2014.
However, the EU exports much more in services than imports from Argentina.
“EU exports of services to Argentina has increased over the last few years, from €3 billion in 2010, to €3.7 billion in 2012.”
http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/argentina/
U.S. goods and private services exports totaled an estimated $17 billion; Imports totaled $6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Argentina was $10 billion in 2012.
Argentina does need to balance those accounts. The EU and USA may want to increase their favourable balance, but everybody is of course looking at their own interest which is to sell.
The British on this thread invoking the EUROPEAN UNION into the Falklands issue, and invoking negotiating as a block!!
May 31st, 2015 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the irony of the decade!
@2
Hey you fool breaking news... would you sign any pact or agreement that only favors the other side that is signing with you??
Or is your anti-argie fever making you dim?
Why would Argentina sign an agreement that basically says “all products the EU has an advantage in producing will have no tariffs, all products MERCOSUR has an advantage in producing will keep a tariff?”
@26 Pugol-H is really correct.
Jun 03rd, 2015 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In practical terms, the political and economic needs, perspective, size, and opportunities of Brasil will be a more important factor than the desires of Argentina to stop other Mercosur-like agreements, with the EU (or others).
Uruguay and Paraguay will get their way by the support of Brasil. I'm not slamming Argentina, but the other countries will do what they feel is needed for their economies. For many years they have been trapped with nothing to show for their Mercosur membership. I suppose, given the slow way things seem to evolve on the Mercosur issues, whatever going to happen will be after the new administration takes power in Argentina.
The world wouldn't end if Mercosur was dissolved, with some sort of replacement agreement. The Pacific Alliance, while not perfect by any means, seems to be moving along for their member countries.
There will still be “unity”, but not as Argentina would prefer.
Best wishes to all.
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