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Scotland proposes all four UK nations must agree in the event of an 'in-out' referendum on EU membership
Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Nicola Sturgeon confirmed on Tuesday that Scotland does not want to leave the European Union (EU) when the referendum over the UK permanence within the block takes place. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWhat she means is that 1.5 million SNP supporters must rule the rest of the UK. Pxxx Off, and get back to the Stalinist state of Scotland which is densely populated by scroungers. Full financial independence and end of Barnet subsidy coming soon.
May 27th, 2015 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever SNP espouses.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0It aint gonna happen.
Theyre a minority party in the UK
It won't work. Seems a logical idea. But you just can't have a majority of people blocked by one holdout nation. What if the holdout isn't Scotland but is say Wales or NI?
May 27th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the UK votes to leave and the Scottish feel so strongly about that then they will have the grounds for potential future independence. However the Scottish may find out that being outside the EU isn't all that bad.
#1 Captain Birdseye
May 27th, 2015 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your vote of confidence.. I may be reached at my Gulag later today IF
I can dodge the death squads roaming the streets hunting for dissidents.
What part of, the population of Scotland voted to remain a part of the UK as a whole, didn't she understand....
May 27th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK is the member of the EU as a whole not individual members...
What she meant is she doesn't want to leave the EU she cannot know the populations view...
The amendment would need to be voted on in Parliament and wouldn't have a hope in hell of being passed....
The United kingdom of great Britain will vote as one nation,
May 27th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0British people will vote,
end of...
Before all the dick heads start Scotland bashing...
May 27th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scotland as a whole voted against Independence...
Just because the SNP won almost all the seats doesn't mean that the people now support Independence it only means the Scots wanted a single greater representation in Westminster...
If the SNP called for another Indyref...I would vote exactly the way I did in the first...and as far as I'm aware with most people I know... views have not changed..
A Referendum is nothing to worry about...
Ps...I'll fight you all...you Southern fairies....One arm tied behind my back...with one eye shut...and balancing on one foot....whilst whistling ...the Bonnie Banks o' Loch Lomond....
Put 'em up...
Was not this the lions roar in the Wizard of oz...lol
May 27th, 2015 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's a little known fact that Nicola Sturgeon has extremely hairy legs.
May 27th, 2015 - 10:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0More divisive nonsense from the Nats. Hoping that the UK opts out and for some reason Scotland bucks the trend and opts in thus giving us Referendum 2
May 27th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think it highly unlikely England, Wales and N Ireland will vote to remove themselves from the EU .Wee Nicky knows this ...But any excuse eh ?
Why is it all about Scotland?
May 27th, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Me, me, me, just like another mad bitch we all know.
She is starting to sound like CFK
May 27th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I want, I want, I want, if I don't get my own way I will scream and sulk.
@8
how about “Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy”
@ChrisR.
May 27th, 2015 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Most scots don't see it like that Chris.Although the Nats would have us all believe to the contrary,It's not about us or any other singular UK entity. Remember. The SNP is not Scotland and Scotland isn't the SNP. To criticise the Nats or Salmond/Sturgeon is not to criticise Scotland.
This is all about wee Nicky deluding herself by trying to convince the Scots that the RUK will vote Out and Scotland will vote In
The fishy duos strategy is so obvious.
May 27th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Make unrealistic demands.
Get turned down.
Stamp feet, have a paddy and demand another referendum.
Sorry, we aint buying it.
Dodge the death squads Clyde? I take it you mean the SNP thugs that attacked Nige, Cameron and anyone voting other than SNP during the recent election. Even Voice is having to wear cast iron nickers underneath his kilt because hes a Tory.
Sturgeon is no worse than Salmond. Did we call him a mad bitch?
May 27th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't agree with a lot of what she says but can understand her position. She has repeatedly said the election was never about getting a second referendum. She won't get one anyway. She makes a lot of noise but doesn't have as much power as the media likes to suggest.
@15
May 27th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we called him a lot of names that were far worse than “a mad bitch”
I can see what she is trying to do politically, but she better be sure that the most of Scots really suscribe to the EU.
May 27th, 2015 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0elaina
May 27th, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0salmond is a true hero.
the scottish version of san martín.
nobody should insult him or this sensitive, intelligent lady.
Piggy piggy Paul, what on earth do you know about UK politicians?
May 27th, 2015 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Shad up a ya face!
But then, if you are an actual Argy you love fascists ;-)
Sensitive, intelligent?… thick skinned, scheming and thick more like!
18@
May 27th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nobody should insult him or this sensitive, intelligent lady
18@
pot=kettle=black.
#14
May 27th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well when you are stupid enough to call us “the Stalinist state of Scotland densely populated by scroungers. ” what do you expect.
By the same token England must have 10 times the scroungers that we have based on population. Look in your own backyard before you come the holier than thou.
If you wish me to have a go at the fascist state of England then I could oblige BUT I don't ascribe to the notion that the total population of a country agree with everything that their politicians espouse although you must, as you seem to subscribe to that notion.
Every time Scotland is mentioned we get the same snide remarks and thinly disguised hatred coming through from a good percentage of posters....you know who you are.
You are posting these DIRECTLY at me as a Scot and not at politicians so don't be surprised if I answer back.
If this is what it means to be British then you can stuff it !
Good luck to little England, you are rapidly running out of friends !
@18 I'll give you she is intelligent but not sensitive and I suspect she would regard that as an insult.
May 27th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Scots are not helping themselves with their behaviour in parliament. The are acting like illiterate, uneducated, shit-kickers never having been to the big city before. They are better than that. If they piss everyone off they will achieve nothing.
The Scots are not helping themselves with their behaviour in parliament
May 27th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And
Every time Scotland is mentioned we get the same snide remarks and thinly disguised hatred coming through from a good percentage of poster,
Both fair and valid points,
But one must confess that brits insulting brits is bad, and one will not entertain it,
As for the twats in parliament, would it be fair to say, they are SNP Members,
And as such the SNP should keep them in line to behave and show respect, if this is unsuccessful, then they should be removed from parliament, as they represent not only SNP, but the people of Scotland whenever they all voted for them or not,
Parliament is not a children’s playground, and if they want to act like children, they should be treated like children and sent home, to the total embarrassment of SNP,
And not the people who voted for them, whom we all presume they voted for adults acting like adults,
Besides, we all have had bad MPs in the past.
Long live the union, and Soddy offy to the rest.
Just making my debut’s speech like…..lol
p/s
be nice...
What a stupid woman. When the referendum takes place, the ballot papers will be taken to specific locations for counting. And she's going to add up all the votes in Scotland and decide whether Scotland wants to be in or out? In the Scottish referendum, 15.41% of the electorate didn't even vote. Despite Salmond trying to stack the deck. And, using rounded figures, 10 million or less should dictate the result for 53 million others? I think not. But let's sort of give her what she wants. If the results suggest that the majority of the Welsh, say, want to stay in the EU when the majority of England wants OUT, Wales should immediately be ejected from the UK Union. With nothing. Except the land. Razor wire barriers erected overnight. A couple of weeks spent rounding up Welsh people living elsewhere in the British Isles and putting them where they should be. All this concept of deserting countries being able to take x% of the UK's assets with them should be knocked on the head right away.
May 27th, 2015 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What did scotland want to 'take' as its 'share' of the UK defence capability? Two frigates, a command platform, four mine counter measures vessels, two offshore patrol vessels, four to six patrol boats, auxiliary support vessels, two light armoured reconnaissance units, two light artillery units, a battlefield engineer unit, an aviation unit with six helicopters, two communications units, one transport unit, one logistics unit, one medical unit. All of these units with their existing equipment. A minimum of 12 Typhoon combat aircraft and a tactical air transport squadron including around six Hercules C130J aircraft, and a helicopter squadron. What would they have done with two frigates? Sail around the coast? And just think, 12 Typhoons? What about the infrastructure? The combat ATC? The engineers and mechanics? How would they get on when the UK took the radar and other secret avionics out? Scotland just came up with a shopping list. But they couldn't have used most of it!
'Should the UK remain as a member of the European Union?''
May 27th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Should Scotland be an independent country?”
Just like in Statistics 1.1 how you ask a question can determine the outcome of the answer differentely
Farage a numbers and an honest man understands this, hence he tweeted.
“The proposed EU referendum question is at least simple. But how is it that Salmond got the Yes, and the UK gets the No answer?' ”
The Westminster establishment class will fool the Brits again like it did in the 2011 election with the (non) “Alternative vote” vs the undemocratic shitty system they have now.
@23 I don't have anything against Scotland or the Scots. They were entitled to vote on independence and made it clear they want to remain part of the union. The swing towards the SNP is because they want more power to decide matters directly affecting Scotland and more control of their budget. Good. They should have that.
May 27th, 2015 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is that they are like the novi in a well-established school. Over-excited and misbehaving. They will settled down when they realise that parliament and the establishment is older and bigger than anyone there. You can't beat the system but you can play it to your advantage. Acting like petulant children will not help them achieve what they want for Scotland.
To be fair, it is the few that are being childish and disruptive.
this intelligent, sensitive lady is totally right.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why the fuck scotland should leave the EU, only because the little englanders want to do so?
absolutely nonsense.
first, they begged scotland to stay in that joke of UK, now they want to rule their destiny.
that´s why i wisely say that the UK is the most ridiculous “rejunte” ever.
the sooner it disintegrates, the better.
If you take the votes cast at the recent UK election and assume they were for proprtional representation the SNP would only have 32 seats AND the Tories would still have an overall majority. Its true that under PR people may have voted slightly differently. But, we have the Tory government we voted for. It says its FOR working people, so if you dont work and especially if you are a workshy scrounger you are going to be much worse off. At the same time they are trying to get as many into work that they can which is me and Voice voted for them. The SNP and Salmond in particular want to take us back to the 1970s, they are old style socialists. One can see the long term effect of tbat clearly in tbe present situation of Argentina, a basket case.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 ElaineB
May 27th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree with you.
27@
Go home.
28 CaptainSilver
A good point,
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Being too cocky Cameron from the last election will try to play carrot and stick with both Germany's Merkel and the British public on the EU.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But my bet is on a political animal like Merkel outmaneuvering the Oxford PC-PR boy. It will be interesting to watch nonetheless.
Cameron is desperate to get a treaty change,
May 27th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they [ the EU] say it cant be done,
then love and behold, Germany and France do just that,
now, either Cameron is not as clever as he thinks, or the super glue EU is more cleverer and making a fool of him,
but he is our leader and we must give him a chance to come clean,
mind you, he has already dropped one at the first hurdle, the ECHR have been sent to the long grass,
what will happen at the next hurdle,
does not Cameron have a meeting very soon with his Euro counterparts.
just a thought.
@30
May 27th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You shouldn't underestimate the Tories. They played an absolute blinder against Scotland, kept well out of the way during most of the referendum, let Labour make all the running for the No campaign and suffer the backlash afterwards, and then moved to screw the Scots on the Barnet formula and voting at Westminster the moment the result was in. They have nothing much to fear from Europe since most of what they want can be achieved by domestic legislation (as was always the case), while the United Kingdom Faragist Party has imploded as personality cults generally do in the UK. Campaigning has barely begun, but as both the referendum and the election showed, conservatism will out in the end. The UK will remain in the EU, and Scotland will remain in the UK.
As for the Scots there has always been a thuggish minority who are anti English. As far as the latest manifestation is concerned, the SNP, its quite clear from their behavoir that they are alienating themselves from the majority and this will limit what they achieve. Many English people are severely hacked off with the Scots and voted Tory to prevent them ganging up with Eds beer and sandwiches union funded neolithic 1970s style Labour party. Thats why Cameron is still in Downing Street.
May 27th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It used to be the case that if you were Scottish you could go down to England and parade around all day with kilt and bagpipes, and nobody would turn a hair, they would all find it rather quint. Conversely, if you were English and set off to go Morris Dancing on Glasgow Green, you'd last about 5 minutes. These days I get the impression that the situation is rather reversed, and I don't think has much to with recent SNP outrages, such as e.g. clapping in the House of Commons.
May 27th, 2015 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27 bugger all to do with you, idiot child/payaso/nabo/mamarracho/boludo/pelotudo.
May 27th, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So just go back to your hole and stay there.
This is just wishful thinking on the part of this silly wee lassie. She does not even have a seat in the Parliament of the United Kingdom.
I hear a lot that Scotland voted SNP in order that they bring home to Scotland more powers, well those powers were coming anyway and they probably will get more than was agreed by the Smith Commission, because that too is Cameron's plan.
May 27th, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The IFS have been very clear that Scotland will not balance its books as an independent nation.
So yes, lets watch Scotland to gorge themselves on all their new powers and responsibilities, but what happens when the sums stop adding up? Oil is't worth quite as much? Who will be to blame then?
I see the Scots in a very different light these days, it's their selfishness and their constant me me me, mine mine mine attitude to absolutely everything. I don't think they have any idea how it plays out across the UK when Sturgeon gets on the TV making her demands. I have seen it myself and people just recoil when she starts one of her rants.
As for thinking that she can stop the UK leaving the EU with 1.5 million votes to her name, vastly less than UKIP, she is having a laugh. She might also want to have a think about whether or not the EU want Scotland? f so , does the EU want Flanders and Catalonia as independent new states???
gordo lanza gases
May 27th, 2015 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0surely this “article” is all that you have read about this matter, so shut the fuck up, you ignorant and stinky fatso.
If the SNP leadership does not want Sotland to leave the EU when the UK votes to either remain in, or to leave, the EU in 2016, and now wants to attach conditions to such a decision, then why didn't they remember this detail when they were pushing for Scottish independence from the UK last September, which, if successful, would have got them kicked out of the EU ???
May 27th, 2015 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“why the fuck scotland should leave the EU, only because the little englanders want to do so?”“”
May 27th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0because Scotland isnt IN the Eu.. the UK is.
Probably the majority of the “no” voters to scottish independence (remember that bit fo democracy - they voted NO) voted “no” because they knew that getting INTO the EU, as a tiddly independent nation of Scotland, was FAR FAR FAR from certain.. or plausible even.
THus if the UK goes out, her independence vote chance i.e. rig another vote to say “yes lets quit the UK” is torpedoed before its even began... as they are already out of the EU and the SNP then cant tell all of its supporters (and the other scots) that “OF COURSE we'll get into the EU! Indeed we'll never leave in the first place....”
Ooops!
Piggy piggy Paul, get back in the playground, you are making a spectacle of yourself.
May 27th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a mistake a to make a
31.
May 27th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if Cameron delivers to the British public and the EU gives him all the perks he demands, to make him respected at home it all has an expiry date; late 2017.
Once the German's secure the YES vote in the UK, Cameron has no ace of spades left and bureaucracy that the lawmakers in Brussels make can automatically start overturning the won sovereignty and retain Britain in the flock.
Cameron has already stated that he is in the Europhile side.
The question is already set for a pro EU answer.
Just a common sense observation from afar.
We voted yes to a Common Market, thats what we want, not to subsidize German strip farmers or Latino cheats claiming false subsidies. The EU is like FIFA, its full of crooks. Scotlands 5 million people have a say in that as do the other 55 million people of the UK. Nothing to do with Scotch politricians.
May 27th, 2015 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 captainPelotudo
May 28th, 2015 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0that is what you think, you deluded and brainwashed and indoctribated 3rd class pleb.
and this is the sad reality, hundreds of thousands of britons taking advantage of their european neighbours:
“EXCLUSIVE 200,000 desperate Britons go ABROAD for medical care as NHS waiting lists spiral”
LENGTHENING NHS waiting lists are pushing up to 200,000 Britons a year to go abroad for treatment.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/570305/Britons-NHS-waiting-lists-medical-treatment
not to mention that the UK owes more than 1.5 trillion pounds, most of all to its european neighbours.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/570305/Britons-NHS-waiting-lists-medical-treatment
for all that is that england is the only 3rd world country in europe.
Paulies visión is impaired by his view from his puss laden stinkey eyelets.
May 28th, 2015 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 043 paulcedron (#)
May 28th, 2015 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should read and try to understand the links that you post.
They are all paying for the treatment and are not sponging off the country were they are receiving treatment.
Grow up child.
Why is PC so obsessed with class? I have asked him but he never answers.
May 28th, 2015 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Elaine,
May 28th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have long realized that people who obssess about something, do so because they don't have it, and it's very unlikely they ever will. Those that do, take it in their stride.
47 jack - ass
May 28th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the key question here is, why you 3rd class plebs are soooo obsessed with argentina and all the fucking topics related with argentina.
applying your “theory” it is because you dont have it?
you are not very bright, no?
41,
May 28th, 2015 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, when you consider that France and Germany and the EU President want an ever closer union,
And know full well, that the British are the unruly kids on the block that has to be dragged screaming every time the top 3 want to get even closer, one has to wonder if they would rather we go, and just get it out of the way once and for all,
After all we will still trade, that’s what its all about, is it not, that what the brits want, to trade,
But the backlash against us I fear, is that if we stay, the top 3 will go all out for political and military union, and kill of the brits for good,
After all we cannot vote to stay in, then complain AGAIN can we?
We must be good obedient loyal subjects and proud Europeans,
Just my opinion,
But we will certainly reap what the EU sows if we stay…
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@48 Paul,
May 29th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0touched a nerve eh ?? too subtle for you to grasp. Your problem.
Now, if you want to turn our relatively amicable exchanges - so far - into throwing shit around, be my guest.
48 BottyBoypaulie
May 29th, 2015 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the matter Felcher? don't you wanna answer Elaine?
Why are you obsessed with “Class”? Is it because you don't have any?
Is it because your boss is always Felching you?
Is it because your boss is always making you Felch HIM?
too imbecile
May 30th, 2015 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0and you talk about class?
mon dieu... these 3rd class plebs are like animals.
The. Problem is scotland wales and ireland not just the north total slightly less than the population of greater london.
May 30th, 2015 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0So any relation between england and the other parts of the nation are always going to be massively unequal
Apparently the SNP now want a veto over the EU referendum,
May 30th, 2015 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they do themselves no favours.
clyde15..i don't care how many friends i have..it makes it easier to laugh and refuse to help them when are truly suffering......and its the relationship i want between England and scotland...wales..n.ireland and eire.
May 30th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK signed a treaty. Treaties are treaties and cannot be changed. The UK cannot leave the EU (at least in a way anyone in the world will accept).
May 31st, 2015 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 056 The_troLLimpic_games
May 31st, 2015 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK signed a treaty. Treaties are treaties and cannot be changed.”
HA!!!!! and so says the argentine. Remind me, how many treaties has argentina actually signed and then stuck to?
I see you've changed your name AGAIN tobi.......
New name, same sh*t
So say the British. Time to stand up to the principles you preach on others all the time.
May 31st, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 055
May 31st, 2015 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puppet...you might want to get a friend that could instruct you in the use of Grammar...
Preferably English Grammar...
Treaties are treaties
May 31st, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the children love them....lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brussels
May 31st, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(UK FOUNDING member 1948, signed again in 1954)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brussels
(Member since 1973)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brussels
(UK)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brussels
(clearly I see UK's signature there, 1997)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Brussels
(signed another one)
So the UK signed all those treaties, and treaties cannot be changed, the UK has told this to the world many many times, when it comes to treaties convenient to the UK: “well you signed this treaty, we cannot change it now.”
Well, UK, you signed at least half a dozen treaties of membership to the EU, not just one, not just two. If one can't be undone, imagine 6 or 7. How would the UK look.
The UK is part of the EU, and it cannot be changed ever again, because treaties are treaties.
@ 57 It just spouts a load of old trollops
May 31st, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 061 The_troLLimpic_games
Jun 01st, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unless the treaty incorporates a none-withdrawal clause or is mandatory international law, in general nations are free to exercise their own sovereignty. But, it depends according to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties on whether: it can be shown that the parties intended to admit the possibility, or the right of withdrawal can be implied into the terms of the treaty. In any event the Convention couldn't be applied prior to it's coming into force in 1980.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty#Withdrawal
63 Terence Hill
Jun 01st, 2015 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He admits himself that he is nothing more than a troll !
61 The_troLLimpic_games
Jun 01st, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..and treaties cannot be changed...” All that shooting from the hip achieves is to shoot yourself in the foot.
”The Treaty of Lisbon is an international agreement which amends the two treaties which form the constitutional basis of the European Union (EU). ...
...The treaty introduces an exit clause for members wanting to withdraw from the Union... ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon#Enlargement_and_secession
The EU Defence Policy and British Forces
Jun 01st, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://pol-check.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/the-eu-defence-policy-and-british-forces.html
The British media spend hours agitating for British forces to intervene abroad but they seem oblivious to the fact that these forces are now at the disposal of the EU (Lisbon was fully implemented on 1/11/14). Do the journalists really not understand that this has happened or are they keeping the British public in the dark? Other European States see Lisbon as the beginning of Europe as an independent security and foreign policy power (see below) but the British are hiding this aspect of the EU.
Please read on.
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WHAT A G O O D IDEA..! To us, Argentines, staying behind the U.K. “on all fours”, as the title indicates, will provide the FITTEST opportunity to fulfill our long-delayed duty of gratitude for the gift of soccer...!! Congratulations, Mrs Sturgeon..!
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#24
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It MAY have escaped your notice BUT the UK armed forces have Scots in ALL services, including the most technically advanced branches. They would have no problem in keeping the few pieces of Hi-Tec equipment serviceable and in working order. As NATO members they could call for assistance as other members do. Some of our radars have French components.
Your beloved Tory govt. wiped out our maritime defense capability at a stroke and now have to call on the USA and France for help to locate Russian Subs. lurking off the Scottish coast waiting for our subs. leaving Faslane. I used to know when one of our subs. was about to leave Faslane as a Nimrod would arrive at Prestwick to carry out a sweep of the N.Channel and the sea west of the Hebrides looking for Russian subs. Now we have reports of fishing vessels snagging subs. with their trawls and having to cut them loose before they get dragged under... and these are NOT R.N or USN vessels !
As to the SNP “clapping” I would think that it is infinitely preferable to the donkey braying that is acceptable at present. The H. of P. should be brought into the 21st century. See the article below.
bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32913113
I was listening to a talk on the BBC about trade with the EU.
It was pointed out that Scotland has a greater level of trade with the EU and would suffer proportionally more if the UK left.
As to Scotland crying me, me, me there probably is a bit of truth in that.
If we didn't we would get nada
However, up here all we here is London MUST have new airport, costing billions HST links at the cost of billions, Translinks again costing billions, more lanes on the M25 etc, etc. That seems to be OK and no one seems to decry that !
@ 68 Clyde15
Jun 02nd, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are barely more Scots in Scotland than there are people in Uruguay.
To do as you suggest regarding major capital work would be the same as Uruguay expecting TDC to stump up the money for whatever fancy takes our commie, socialist compact of titchy-tiny parties that 'rule us'.
Given all the crap from the Sturgeon regarding the EU, if you REALLY feel that Scotland has a greater level of trade with them, then I am very sorry that the majority of your fellow Scots actually voted to stay in the Union.
Get used to it!
Just my opinion, but,
Jun 03rd, 2015 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Scottish people voted for the SNP in the referendum,
now then, most scots it seems did this for various reasons and that is their right,
so that's how it is , today, and this has gone to sturgeons head, with the SNP claiming to be all powerful, and the Scottish people put them their,
now then ?? between now and the EU referendum, Scotland goes to the polls as to local government elections, [am I right here, sorry if not]
this will be the time for the Scottish people, to either fully back the SNP and thus almost certainly trigger another referendum,
or the people will drop the SNP and dump them, then we can all get some sleep,
basically the Scottish people gave this power to the SNP, and its the Scottish people that will take this power away from them,
just my opinion , now you can scream at me,
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in the meantime I have to say,
We are finished , All finished,
and its all paulcedrons fault,,,,lol
lighten up.................
#69
Jun 03rd, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0< Given all the crap from the Sturgeon regarding the EU, if you REALLY feel that Scotland has a greater level of trade with them,>
Where did I say ”If you feel that Scotland etc.
Please read what I actually said and NOT what you have written ascribing to me something I did NOT SAY !
I was listening to a BBC program on this subject and a spokesman for Ernst and Young - NOT SCOTTISH- who is an expert in EU trade came out with this statement. I presume that his figures were correct. I am in NO position to argue one way or the other and neither are YOU.
As far as I know Mrs. Sturgeon never made that statement regarding EU trade.
However, don't let a little matter like that get in the way of your prejudices.
Get used to it ?????? Get used to what ?????
#70
the Scottish people voted for the SNP in the referendum,
CORRECTION
50% of Scots voted SNP in the recent UK election which means that 50% did not !!!!! ----- NOTE, e-l-e-c-t-i-o-n. NOT referendum !!
36.9% of England voted for the Conservatives which means that 63.1% did not so are you saying that the bulk of the English population gave power to the Tories ?
I am quite happy to lighten up if certain posters would give up their anti -Scottish vendetta As far as you are concerned SNP and the Scottish population are the same -they're not. I could use a pejorative term for the English and call them right- wing xenophobes with delusions of their own self importance.
This certainly could be applied to a minority but not to all.
Similarly SNP and Scottish are NOT synonymous.
Here endeth the lesson, blessed be the name of the Sturgeon !
@ 71 Clyde15
Jun 03rd, 2015 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am certainly not 'arguing one way or another', in fact I now wish that the hag had gotten her way in the referendum and you were now all under her 'control' and out of the union.
THEN we would see who needs who?
Have a guess?
#72
Jun 04th, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have just confirmed what I have being saying about a total anti-Scottish bias equating the whole population with the SNP.
Anyway, as you live in Uruguay, what business is it of yours ?
71 Clyde15
Jun 04th, 2015 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0NOTE, e-l-e-c-t-i-o-n. NOT referendum !!
Thank you for pointing out my error,
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the Scottish people voted for the SNP in the referendum,
CORRECTION
50% of Scots voted SNP in the recent UK election which means that 50% did not !!!!!
come come clyde arte you saying that the 50% who did not vote for the SNP was not Scottish !!!!
I was correct in my assumption that it was the Scottish people that gave the SNP so much power,
If this is not true, then I apologise
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, 36.9% of England voted for the Conservatives which means that 63.1% did not so are you saying that the bulk of the English population gave power to the Tories ?
You are misusing the words,
I did not mention the English at all, but if I was to guess, then I would say=the English put the conservatives into power,
Percentages is none and vow, they got in..
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I am quite happy to lighten up if certain posters would give up their anti -Scottish vendetta
I am not responsible for other posters, I am a unionist, and want all 4 to remain together,
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As far as you are concerned SNP and the Scottish population are the same -they're not.
[[Again I did not say they were or not, again you seem so upset that you are misusing the words,
If the SNP and the Scottish are not the same, then please tell me who they are,
Perhaps one should say the Scottish people do not all vote for the SNP,
As we both know, some vote for labour, cons , libdems , and some don’t vote at all,
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I could use a pejorative term for the English and call them right- wing xenophobes with delusions of their own self importance.
[[ this is your choice of words, but not all are bad , as not all scots or welsh or Irish are bad,
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This certainly could be applied to a minority but not to all.
Similarly SNP and Scottish are NOT synonymous.
Never did I state that they were , I merely pointed out right or wrong that it was the Scottish people that gave the SNP the powe
#74
Jun 04th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that we are dabbling in semantics here.
Point 1
50% of the Scottish voters gave the SNP their electoral win which means that a PROPORTION of the Scottish population put them in power NOT the Scottish people as a whole ,which was inferred. You are still inferring that the TOTAL Scottish people support the SNP and their aims, which is incorrect.
Again you say that the English put the Tories in power when it was only 36.9%
who voted for them. SOME English voters put them in power against the wishes of the other 73.1% who did not vote for them, So, from that, you cannot say that the English “people” put them in power. A minority did.
I am only using this analogy to point out the folly of assuming that because the SNP got in power, the whole of Scotland agrees and backs whatever they propose.
By all means say what you wish about the SNP but stop implying that all the people in Scotland have exactly the same viewpoint and political ambitions as them.
this is just melodramatic,
Jun 04th, 2015 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but fine we will do it your way,
a minority put one into power and the inherited some power,
thank god I voted UKIP.
@ 73 Clyde15
Jun 04th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyway, as you live in Uruguay, what business is it of yours ?”
I still have considerable property investments in the UK and pay tax accordingly.
I fully expect my tax bill to reduce once the drunken headbangers piss off and paddle their own canoe AND stop getting subsidies paid for by HM Treasury.
This will only get better when the UK leaves the EU and my taxes stop helping to pay for the gravy train to the tune of GBP 50M per day.
I think that makes it my business, don't you?
#77
Jun 05th, 2015 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0My last at quote #73 was just to get you started , and to see if you would come out with more invective....it worked.unsurprisingly.
I always considered myself British BUTon this forum my true identity has been revealed. I am considered a second/third class entity who hangs about moaning , whining and living off the English taxpayer.
I should bugger off and live in a Celtic Twilight after all, we have had all the oil revenues and you are of no furthet use except as a base for English nuclear weapons.
It is also obvious that me or my family have never contributed anything to the UK and have been hugely subsidised by England's largesse.
Only Scotland receives subsidies from the “English”Treasury ?. No other part of the apparently moribund UK receives any subsidy ?
You seem entirely selective in your facts/opinions. Maybe if you lived in the UK
you might have a slightly different perspective.
#76
It may sound melodramatic to you, but if YOU personally were continually being berated on this forum for being a whining , cheating ,scrounging Englishman would you take offence ?
The tone of the “debate” is that ALL Scots are a total burden to the Union, are useless scroungers and have contributed nothing to the UK economy ,so that is a personal attack on ME.
You voted UKIP... the best of luck to you if they ever managed to get power.
78 Clyde15
Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand how you feel,
no I would not like it if it was against me,
there are lots that do not like us, mainly the argies and other delinquencies,
so I agree with you there,
we need to stick together not fight against each other,
my main concern today is Europe ,
thanks.
@ 78 Clyde15
Jun 05th, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”My last at quote #73 was just to get you started , and to see if you would come out with more invective....it worked. uU(SIC)nsurprisingly.”
I thought my description of the SNP acolytes was pretty accurate given their action at Westminster.
I am sure that you and your family HAVE contributed immensely with their membership of the armed forces BUT that doesn't prevent you from being tarred with the typical (and accurate description in my EXPERIENCE) that many Scots ARE drunken headbangers.
PS it's the HM Treasury, as I posted.
You didn't answer my question.
#80
Jun 05th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were they drunk ?
Yes the Scots have a reputation of for drunkenness and I won't deny it
Lets look at the English. Noted for their sobriety and good behaviour are they ?
Look at cities such as Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester and rural parts of Essex.
No alcohol abuse there ? No mayhem and destruction there ?
English football supporters and English holidaymakers in Mediterranean resorts are classed as drunken louts but YOU choose to single out the Scots? How objective and fair of you.
.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/798576.stm
An old report but still pertinent.
As far as I am concerned,your mentioning of HM Treasury inferred the HM English Treasury....subsidising Scotland with English money.
To answer your question without giving too much offence is problematic.
If you lived in Britain I would agree totally with you but I don't believe that paying tax on UK assets while living abroad automatically gives you the right to rage against the Scots, SNP or others from a distance of about 7000 miles.
I can see we will never agree so you can have the last word as I am heartily sick of this subject.
#79
Thank you for your considered reply. My outburst has been triggered by a certain class of English people I have encountered all my adult life who radiate condescension against the other countries of the UK. To them Britain means England with the Welsh and certainly the Irish rated lower than Scotland.
If you pick up a paper, often England is used for the UK.
Most Americans use England when they mean the UK as they have picked up this usage from the press and politicians over the decades.
Time to descend from my soapbox as I am getting fed up with the whole thing.
I came into the MercoPress site to find out what was happening in the Falklands and have got suckered into trying to defend my country from both Argentine and English posters.
I will probably close my account in MP and do something more useful with my time.
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