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Argentina commemorates creation of 'Malvinas political and military command' in June 1829
British dominance of the Malvinas Islands is a colonial 'situation', which is 'unacceptable' and 'anachronic': Argentina reiterates its sovereignty claims over the South Atlantic Islands and surrounding maritime spaces, said a release from the foreign ministry in Buenos Aires on occasion of the day the country commemorates the creation, on 10 June 1829, of the political and military command of the Malvinas Islands and adjacent Cape Horn spaces. Read full article
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Jun 10th, 2015 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice how these people present themselves as reasonable then slip in a few lies about a Spanish inheritance and include South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands. No, these are Islands are settled British territory and will remain so. If Argentina wants to make an up front offer for the Islands nobody is stopping them. Any offer would need to be in the trillions of pounds sterling but we all know Argentina doesn't have that kind of money and probably never will.
It must be getting close to the anniversary where Argentina got its arse handed to it so there propaganda machine has been pushed up to full bulls!t mode.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only usurpation that happened in 1833 was when the United Provinces of the River Plate tried to usurp British territory and sent their military to set up a penal colony. Prior to these troops departing from the UP the British, in line with international law as it stood in the 19th century, protested stating that the Falklands where British territory.
These UP troops (Argentina did NOT exist in 1833, and wouldn't exist until 1850) were only on the islands for a matter of weeks when discipline broke down and they murdered their commanding officer, raped his wife in front of her children, and then put the REAL colonists who had been there for several years WITH British PERMISSION, in danger.
The British sent HMS Clio to kick the usurpers out and they left without a shot being fired.
The RN then left, and there were NO MILITARY forces left on the islands, but the UP NEVER returned.
As for the inheritance, well this is the funniest part of their 'claims', because even IF such a thing was recognised in international law (it isn't and has never been), then the Islands would've had to have been Spanish at the time Spain recognised Argentina as an independent state - which didn't happen until 1863.
So in 1833 the UP had invaded both British AND Spanish territory. Then in the 1840's Spain RELINQUISHED is sovereignty claim over the islands and RECOGNISED the British as the ONLY legal claimant left.
So the islands DID NOT belong to Spain in 1863, so they couldn't have LEFT them to Argentina or ANYONE else.
Even more amusing is the list of so called countries that 'support' them, except NONE of these countries support them. The support a peaceful end to the dispute, which isn't the same as supporting Argentina OR the UK.
Psst! Argentina. The UN supports the rights of the Falkland Islanders not Argentina's fantasy.
Same every year since 1973. You would have thought that they'd have worked out that nothing was being achieved.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's so tiring, but it will never end. As it's an El Niño year, hopefully the weather soon distract their attention. A nice little natural disaster so we can have a some peace and quiet, just for a little while.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I must formally complain:
Jun 10th, 2015 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0June 1829 is clearly the same letters and numbers as when Argentina was kicked off the Islands in June 1982.
Such provocation will not be tolerated.
I demand...
LOL
Argentine settlements - Argentina claims sovereignty over the Falklands from 1820-1833 by ‘effective occupation’ and that the British has abandoned the islands. The law at the time stipulated ‘the law of nations will therefore not acknowledge the property and sovereignty of a nation over any uninhabited country, except those which it has really taken actual possession, in which it has formed settlements, or which it makes actual use…’ and ‘ it is only in cases of long, continuous, ‘undisputed’ and uninterrupted possession that prescription is established …But the case is different with possession of only a few years…’ Jewett had no settlement and Vernet had permission from the British consul in BA to set up his colony. The British also protested when they heard of Vernet and Mestivier’s appointments by United Provinces.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Continuous possession of a few years that was uncontested'' I don't think so...
United Provinces of the River Plate, a thousand miles north west! Argentina recognised by Spain 1864, as a separate country and not a colony. Usual June rubbish out of BA.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is there anything about the Falklands that Argentina doesn't commemorate? It's amazing they manage to get anything done with the amount of ceremonies they like to indulge in.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0More hot air from BsAs.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haven't they got anything better to do?
(Well yes they have, fix the economy, clean up the shanty towns, find enough food for their citizens to eat, stabilise their currency, create jobs, etc etc),
But of course, silly me.
Rabbiting on about these mythical isles called the mal-something-or-other has got to be more important……doesn't it?
Fools, lying stupid fools.
More unadulterated pish from them.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 06
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bob....
What continuous possession did the British have for East Falkland before 1833...would that be none...?
What continuous possession did the British have for West Falkland before 1833...would that be a plaque...?
2015 and the Falkland Islands are British.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 01829 doesn't matter.
1833 doesn't matter.
2015 is what counts.
The UK has sovereignty now and Argentina has been powerless to change that fact for nearly 200 years. Next 200 won't be any different.
I keep telling you Skip...the UK only has a sovereignty claim...show me where any country or the UN recognises UK Sovereignty over those islands....only administration...
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Time does matter Skip...people have the right to self determination, but this does not include theft of property and land...that is what we call Squatting and Piracy....
Anyone got a violin to play sad music while they read this bullsh*t out?
Jun 10th, 2015 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You keep repeating whatever you wish Voice. Just like Argentina does.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't make you right.
Your claim regarding the UN is illogical. If the UK does not have sovereignty then who does? Is it possible for inhabited countries to have sovereignty held by no state?
If that is the case, please highlight other cases of inhabited countries without any state exterting sovereignty.
If land area has no one exerting sovereignty over it, then by definition any country can do so. So why doesn't Argentina do so? Because it can't can it?
Which also make it illogical that the UN recognise that only the UK can “decolonise” the Falkland Islands. How up can decolonise unless you have sovereignty. See, illogical!
Who had sovereignty over Singapore before it was decolonised? The UK? Singapore itself? Malaysia? Or no one?
Your continual attempt to make this claim is highly amusing but even you know it doesn't hold up. Just another attempt to argue for the sake of arguing.
13 So called Voice… ”that is what WE call” .???
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is WE. Are you an Argentinian?
Or.. A fifth columnist?
Or… a traitor?
Or… just another Scotch idiot?
Please tell…
Really Voice....then show us where the UN or every other country only recognises UK administration of the islands and stated the UK does not have sovereignty, should be easy as you have made the statement.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has sovereignty, the only country to have a disputed sovereignty claim is Argentina. If no one has sovereignty over the Falklands, then they must be their own separate entity and therefore be independent by your logic. But how come the islands were given European Grants as a BOT if no one recognises UK sovereignty.
Einstein defined stupidity as “repeating actions that have always proved not to work”.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0He must have been thinking of The Dark Country, south of The Plate.
@11. The Islands have been British since 1690. On the subject of continuous possession, which settlement was it that a spanish governor tried to shove the people out of in 1770? After the spanish king backed down, who returned to their settlements? Who did the spanish king pay compensation to? Whose property, possessions and chattels had to be returned?
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@13. The UN recognises UK sovereignty. That's why the UK is the UN trustee.
@13 Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“people have the right to self determination, but this does not include theft of property and land...that is what we call Squatting and Piracy”
El burro hablando de orejas! (loosely translates as “Pot calling the kettle black”)
What about the Argentinian Province of Formosa - land that was stolen by Argentina from Paraguay during the Triple Alliance War? Are you going to apply your principles to this and give the land back to Paraguay?
And yet again, the Malvinas Lie rears its ugly head.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many lies do we have in this release?
LEPRecon quite admirably gave the truth - that Argentina attempted to usurp British territory and was rightly removed.
I can't help but notice the mention of “...dislodged inhabitants and authorities...”. The inhabitants of the Argentine colony were invited to stay by Britain, as was our right as the legitimate holders of sovereignty. A few *chose* to leave. To say they were dislodged is dishonest at best.
“Finally the peaceful recovery of the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich islands and surrounding maritime spaces...”
Can't “recover” what never belonged to you. Even if Argentina could prove their claim to the Falklands (and that's a big if), they have no such claim over the other Islands, which would remain under British sovereignty.
“a definitive solution to this colonial situation”.
As I've pointed out before (and no doubt shall again in the future), there are only two ways to resolve this dispute that are fair and equitable to all parties:
1: Argentina agrees to take the case to the ICJ, the only organization quaified to rule on a sovereignty dispute. Given the facts, they will no doubt lose, but must abide by any decision, as will we.
2: Argentina drops their false claim to the Falklands, removes all objections to their removal from the C24, and apologises to the C24 and the UN for wasting so much time on a claim they *knew* to be a lie.
But that's really the big point, isn't it - the Malvinas Lie. Argentina's pushed the myth of being expelled from “their” territory, instead of what really happened. They even sink so low as to teach the Lie to their children.
I agree that progress needs to be made on this subject, but it will not happen unless Argentina agrees to stop lying.
@11 Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is RG land didn't maintain 'uncontested continuous possession of a few years' so Vernet's actions were ineffective.
How to perpetuate a myth..............Argentine style!
Jun 10th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 013
Jun 10th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked you to show me Skip...not voice your own opinion...
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Wow...your English is improving with leaps and bounds....I can see a place for you in Canada yet....;-)))))
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Are you talking about West Falkland...? I think you are....
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Bob....
The Spanish possession...East Falkland was administered by the United Provinces of the Río de la Plata it was under their jurisdiction....after Independence this became two provinces, one of them was entitled to claim the islands under that jurisdiction....One of them did....the other didn't.....
Explain how the British that had never occupied East Falkland, had never left a marker, had agreed with the Spanish to never occupy it........claimed it.
@23 Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have already stated Vernet's actions were ineffective to establish sovereignty.
The British firmly established sovereignty in 1833.
Looks like the British just decided to occupy East Falkland then. Its all so very long ago, nearly two centuries and its on the Islands continental shelf and the British threw the Argies out in 1982 when they tried and failed to occupy it after it was occupied and developed by the British for 150 years
Jun 10th, 2015 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Open and shut case really. Sorry Voicy fail again.
23.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 080 kg Hard Head has hit obvious chemistry with the hottest chick in the gym...
Dont ask me how because the place is full off built up neck less weirdoes...
Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More facile nonsense from you - just poking the hornets' nest to get some attention?
If Argentina believes that the UK does not possess sovereignty over the Falklands,
then why are they petitioning the UN for resolutions requiring the UK to negotiate “sharing” or “handing over” sovereignty of the islands to Argentina?
Why does Argentina insist that “only” the UK can negotiate Falklands sovereignty, and not the Island inhabitants, themselves?
Illogical - now STFU
“got it?”
13 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 10th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self Determination trumps any and all other issues since it is the only binding international law out of all the issues. Get out of here with your BS, “Time does matter” exactly, that is why legal considerations are barred from being applied retroactively. So that puts the kibosh to your fraudulent claim of “what we call Squatting and Piracy”
28 Terence
Jun 10th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't let Voice pull you in with his BS.
He knows full well that he's talking crap - he repeats this same line at intervals.
The “wee man” is a pathetic attention seeker, and a repulsive my vulgar one.
@23 And I asked you to show me Voice, not 'voice' your own opinion. Go on show us where every country has said they only recognise UK administration. go on you said it, now prove it.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Distraction.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill:
Don't you have any internal issues to concern yourself with?
LOL.
Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“people have the right to self determination, but this does not include theft of property and land...that is what we call Squatting and Piracy....”
Which is exactly what the people of the United Provinces of the River Plate did, when they took the land from Spain by force, and what the Spanish did, when they took the land from the Amerindians by force.
According to Voice, the Argentines have no right to self-determination. How dense can you get, Voice?
@ 13 Voice
Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Squatting and Piracy”
Would that be like Italians speaking bad Spanish living in a S. America stolen from Indians who were genocided?
Unlike settling previously undiscovered, uninhabited and unclaimed Islands in the S. Atlantic.
@23 Voice
Exactly where and when did the British “agreed with the Spanish to never occupy it (E. Falkland)”, pray tell.
Reference please!
@24 Brit Bob
Vernet could not have “established sovereignty for Argentina”, when prior to founding the settlement he wrote to the British Gov asking for permission to establish a settlement, on what he recognised as British sovereign territory.
His dealing with UP violated his prior agreement with the British.
Hence after the British recapture of the Islands in 1833 when he tried to sue for compensation, it was thrown out of court.
Voice often gets like this in the afternoon. Too many drams at lunchtime then he reels back to his hovel alone and fires off a few disracting missives on various forums on the internet. The afternoon is spent spark out snoring on the sofa. Keyboard warrior, troll, waste of space. Nothing sensible to say, just enjoys stirring things up. Lonely loser.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33
Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another curious aspect of Vernet's litigation, is that despite crying woe is me in UK and US courts for decades, he never once complains of his people being expelled by the dastardly Brits, weeping families at the quayside forced at gunpoint onto the hulking transports, etc, etc. and ever since Argentine Presidents have had to carry an onion in their pocket for Malvinas related occasions. It would almost make you think the expulsion never happened.
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Jun 10th, 2015 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well done...perhaps it was charm, it always trumps muscles....
It's tomorrow you go behind my neck...once every 3 days...
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If you can't be bothered looking at all the UN resolutions that refer to the UK as being the administrative power...then I'm not going to show you....
Not one single mention in those resolutions of the UK holding sovereignty...plenty of sovereignty dispute....
”Territorial status
The Falkland Islands (Malvinas) have been on the United Nations list of Non-Self-Governing Territories since 1946, following the transmission by the United Kingdom of information under Article 73 e of the Charter.
See: A/RES/68/95 A-B of 11 December 2013
Administering Power
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the administering Power of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).
* A dispute exists between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).”
http://www.un.org./en/decolonization/pdf/falkland_islands.pdf
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Ask Brit Bob or Terry Hill...they quote it enough....
34
Hey that's an original name you have there....
I assume you use it to compliment me....
Is it a deep inner desire you have to be me...or like me...?
Cretina:
Jun 10th, 2015 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't just rattle your saber (or your trap) - do something before it's too late.
Commandeer some transport (your fleet is looking a little thin), load up the campers, steam out to the FALKLAND ISLANDS, send the campers over the side and let the local school kids kick their flabby ARGENTINE arses.
Argentine dominance of the Malvinas Islands is a colonial 'situation', which is 'unacceptable' and 'anachronism'
Jun 10th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed,
they live in total isolated stupidity.
This claim was invented in 1941 as an excuse by the fascists in the Argentine government and the military.. What is so extraordinary is that Argentina changed its education to a sort of fascist youth education to go with the plans to declare war / attack the UK if London had fallen in 1941 and to seize the large amount of British property which was Argentine infrastructure and which gave it most of its wealth.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina ever gets anything from the British territories in the South Atlantic it will only be because Argentina started brainwashing its children with lies since the 40's. Brainwashing is a powerful weapon as they have proved.
Any way in four days we will be celebrating the dis-affirmation of Argentine sovereignty, let us hope they got the message, they are not wanted.
Eh Voice. I cant imagine always being on the loosing side and the butt of everyones jokes, but you dont have to do you. Fake.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The proto Argentines usurped the Spanish - their own parents
Jun 10th, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They also usurped the 'Original Peoples'
@23. You should get a map. I recall seeing one sometime that showed all the British settlements. Over BOTH Islands. Oh, 1829. Wasn't that the era of the treacherous pirate Vernet? The guy the Americans threw off the Islands for us. Whose 'appointment' was protested at the time. You might recall that Britain had already established sovereignty in 1765.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36. UN resolutions are irrelevant. Got anything else? How about a treaty between spain and the united provinces handing over sovereignty? No, there would be. Spain didn't 'recognise' its colony as an independent country until the late 1850s.
In case you don't know, 1982 settled the matter. Trot off and consult your legal tomes until you find the relevant international legal principle.
@12/15
Jun 10th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Skip
“show me where any country or the UN recognises UK Sovereignty over those islands” by “Voice”
It is disingenuous to state that other countries do not recognize British sovereignty (only administration); and he's well aware of it.
To contend that every country must somehow pass dedicated legislation, specifically (geographically) detailing and recognizing every other country's territorial integrity (overseas or otherwise), or else sovereignty is not recognized, as is being inferred here, is ludicrous.
At the OAS in 2012, Canada vetoed (the US abstained) even the MENTION of a sovereignty dispute in the official final communiqué; and John Baird, Canada's (great) foreign minister stated at the conference:
“The issue of Canada’s policy does not change, we support the self-determination of the people of the Falkland Islands, as we do people everywhere around the world”.
Note: John Baird has since retired, but I expect that he is not done with politics quite yet (being only 45 years old), as he is considered one of the most effective, competent, popular and decent Canadian politicians of his generation. I would not be surprised to see him re-enter politics and become our Prime Minister one day ....... which would also make him Canada's first (openly) gay PM, BTW.
He's one tough dude.
D
Bless, Voice.
Jun 10th, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you'll get lots of attention with your new meme.
Good luck with it.
Birmingham and London are becoming Caliphates and potencial risk for terrorisms.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0According with US security expert and advisor to US senate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zF7nbEvwY
Bobby Jindal the Governor of Luisiana and possibly the next president of US while visiting UK describes the “No-go zones” and the potential threat to western civilization...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zF7nbEvwY
45 Dany /Voice/Vestige etc.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sowing your own racist phobias onto others again, really says a lot about you.
Lazy racist Troll.
@Troy
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tipycal reaction...
Kill the messenger because you don't like the letter... Eh????
It's my fault that an US security expert and advisor on security matters to US congress, etc. thinks that some cities in UK are a security threat to the west?
It's my fault that may be the next future president of US also shares the same concern over UK while visiting it?
Think about it...
47 Dany
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical trolling - cherry pick a sensationalit, controversial, yet looney-fringe, unrelated headline or two, in order to distract...
Yep,
You're that kind of “messenger”!
That one's been done to death anyway.
Try using some real effort - sheesh, what a horse's ass, you are!
@48
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isn't it amazing how there 's always somebody riding to Argentina's rescue - the Russians, the Chinese, the British taxpayer, the Islamic Caliphate? And yet nothing changes ....
Doesn't look it will this time either, and you're a little behind the times. Emerson later retracted his comic posturing and Fox apologized. Jindal remains an idiot, probably because the truth has little relevance when it's the loony fringe you're trying to appeal to.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/20/the-fox-news-effect-gop-governor-repeats-myth-a/202191
Now they have singed an anti UK pact with the nice Russians,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0you know the ones that now claim the islands they stole [borrowed] of japan, and are now building a military base,
nice friends,
And so the KFC /Timmidman magical mystery roundabout keeps turning....yawn, pass me another Malbec.. Nah, f*ck that let's have a nice robust Chilean Sauvignon.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0#52
Jun 11th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's the spirit!
45 Another troll? LOL.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I meant to say 'merry-go-round' but you get my drift (must have been the Sauvignon kicking in...;)
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHEN A COUNTRY IS TRULY SOVEREIGN.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Although some people miss the Argentina of the first centenary, when it was the seventh economy of the world, if they were honest, they would say also that the nation was no more than a prosperous british colony, where the empire had such a big influence over our economy.
While it is true that there were many opportunities to work, in fact, we received millions of inmigrants, it's also true that most the opulence characteristic of the agro exporter model was enjoyed by the richest sectors of our society, but most our people lived in very bad conditions.
It's well known that it's hightly probable that Argentina never recovers the sovereignty of the islands, then it won't never be a totaly independent nation.
Although many hypocrites here don't accept it, in some aspects, the u. k. still behaves like the same thief of XIX century, who deprived our country of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833.
In contrary to what a few cretins think about me, i won't never omit the huge responsability of my country in what happened in 1982, but it's undeniable that the war is just Britian's best excuse, to reject the negotiations with Argentina.
On the other hand, it's evident that all those sons of a bitch who celebrated Griesa's rulling, don't want to see that this kind of decisions damages capitalism seriously, if it soposes that they are so capitalists, then they can't defend such an usurious judgement, it's evident that the hate that those rabbles feel for C. F. K's government blinds their capacity to understand the true consecuences of that sort of decisions.
The best legacy that kirchnerism will leave for the country, despite all the legitimate critics that anybody can make in relation to the serious falencies of C.F.K.'s government, is the fact of having built a much more autonomous nation, not like in the 90's, when we were submitted to follow the i. m.f's caprices.
u. k. still behaves like the same thief of XIX century, who deprived our country of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, it is Argentina who lives in the past, and wishes to have a modern day Empire not us,
2, Argentina has no rights , they have never administered the islands , they do not, today administer them , and never will as long as Britain retains the power to stop you.
3, one day , you will get everything you deserve.
@ 57 Briton
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“3, one day , you will get everything you deserve.”
As you all know I was 69 recently.
I think I will live long enough to see the complete breakup of Argentina probably into Chinese provinces.
I do hope so. :o)
@58 ChrisR,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope so too.
l also think that we should get a bit of the mainland(without stepping on Chile's toes, maybe we can come to some arrangement with the Chileans?).
Not too keen though of having some practical, efficient Chinese provinces too close.
l think that Brazil will take over some of their northern provinces also.
That will keep the RGs so involved that they'll forget all about us. lol!
Of course one should always be careful of what one wishes for as it might come true!
Peace
It's rumored that Jim Luer is releasing a statement in support of Cretina.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so funny to read that the isleteers want to get a bit of argentina.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0it seems they are still living in the xixth century.
it seems they do not know a shite about history AND geography AND logic.
it seems they have not learnt a shite about the 3 failed attempts of england to take over these lands.
thanks god, all that the pirates got were 3 massive kicks in their stinky arses.
ok, they stole the islets, but now it is time to return them to the real owners.
...pirates.
61 paulcedron
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only real pirates associated with the Islands, were acting as agents for the United Provinces, namely Jewitt and Vernet. According, to the United States and Portugal, Oops.
@61 paulcedron,
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have got a thing about “stinky arses”, haven't you?
You've mentioned this subject more than once before.
When did you first notice them?
Do you keep records of all the “stinky arses” that you have studied?
Well l guess we've all got to have a hobby.
l love growing roses & you love observing & commenting on “stinky arses”.
How unusual. But whatever rows your boat, paulus stupidus idioticas.
Of course we are interested in the carve up of Argentina.
We want our share. Can't let Chile or Brazil have all of it, lol!
lf you cannot look after your country then you don't deserve it.
Argentina is far too good a country for idiots like you, paulcedron.
62
Jun 12th, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0So.....you believe confiscating ships that operate in what you believe to be your territorial waters is Piracy....?
Vernet was quite right to seize the American ships...they had been clearly warned...
64 As it turned out however....... he was dead wrong.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0ChrisR
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations, 69 and still going well,
I hope im still ok when I get to that age ?[ happy b
and yes you may well see the break up of this nasty argyland,
As for paulcedron, he is just reaching his 5th birthday I belive .lol
64 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oops! I believe both their actions where perceived as illegal acts by the aggrieved nations, resulting in a number of international incidents ”Jewett left the River Plate in the Heroina on 21 March 1820 in search of Spanish victims. He spent seven months, from March to October 1820, vainly looking for Spanish prizes, ......he found no Spanish ships, but in the end he captured a Portuguese one, the Car lota, which was piracy, since Argentina and Portugal were not at war. ,,, ...In the end, in desperation, Jewett seized a United States ship, the Rampart, carrying cargo for Spain, thus committing piracy a second time.... the United States government did not recognise any territorial sovereignty in the Falklands and denied that Vernet (or Argentina) possessed any authority whatever in the islands... Vernet seized three American sealing ships, the Harriet, Superior and Breakwater..informed of Vemet's harassment of US ships in the Falklands, and in his State of the Union Address on 6 December 1831, US President Andrew Jackson complained about the acts of aggression against American ships in the Falklands” Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
UK commemorates creation of British Falkland's political and military command' in June 1750.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we can all do it.
67
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is irrelevant whether the US recognised Vernet's authority as Governor representing Argentina....
Vernet also had authority from the British Govt....
There are plenty of countries that do not recognise British authority in the waters surrounding the Falklands....ye,t would the Falklands seize or fine anyone fishing without a licence....?
Damn right they would...same thing....
isolda
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“l love growing roses & you love observing & commenting on “stinky arses”.”
but...my beloved isolda, those are NOT roses.
it is guano.
it seems your sense of sight and smell are not working very well, eh?
i blame the vodka.
@68 Conversely, there are plenty of countries that do recognise British Authority, hence why they are able to sell their licences. Oh and then there is the Law of the Sea (LOS) Convention, but I don't think that was around in 1832 that was 1982 so...not the same thing clearly....
Jun 12th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 067
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are absolutely right ....Voice is indeed Mrs Think.
Same misguided arguments and blind allegiances.
Still ...I'm glad he's not dead.
69 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Vernet also had authority from the British Govt....” I must have missed that part where he was authorized to engage in piracy. The point is, there was no nation that recognized Argentine authority on the Islands. Whereas to-date, the Falklands authority over their territorial waters is well established under international law.
73
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you believe fishing in an islands territorial waters is fine without permission...
If the country in question does not recognise sovereignty....
You are so full of sh!t....
74 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello, THERE WAS NO NATION THAT RECOGNIZED ARGENTINE AUTHORITY ON THE ISLANDS. That was then, this is now, even with your obvious limitations you can figure it out. But, be careful not to get any on you with that diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the ideas.
75
Jun 12th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So it's fine for Argentina and other Latin American Countries that don't recognise British Sovereignty, to fish in the waters surrounding the Falklands without a licence....?
Yes or No.....
76 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I couldn't care-a-less they can knock them selves out, “...Countries that don't recognise British Sovereignty,,,” as you know full-well what the end result would be, confiscation and or fines, as the Islanders managed their resources, as stipulated in the UN Charter. Which is binding international law.
Don't the Falkland Islands have their own EEZ?
Jun 12th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously that's been recognised somehow outside the UK?
Hmmm food for thought on that new meme going around.
78 Skip Yes they do according to the ICJ.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'International Court of Justice (ICJ) in the North Sea continental shelf cases, in which Denmark and the Netherlands based their claim inter alia on the doctrine of proximity, i.e., that the part of the continental shelf closest to the part of the state in question falls automatically under that state's jurisdiction. In these cases the ICJ rejected any contiguity type of approach. As for continuity, it is argued, the 1958 Geneva Convention on the Continental Shelf and Contiguous Zone, Article 1, now contained in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, Article 76, does not support the view that coastal states have sovereignty over islands above the continental shelf. On the contary it laid down doctrine that islands had their own “continental shelves,”' p.74
The Falklands/Malvinas Case Breaking the Deadlock in the Anglo-Argentine... By Roberto C. Laver
78
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What new meme Skip...?
@76
Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So it's fine for Argentina and other Latin American Countries that don't recognise British Sovereignty, to fish in the waters surrounding the Falklands without a licence....?”
If they want their ships impounded and a visit from the Royal Navy, then yes.
Terence
Jun 13th, 2015 - 04:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I understand the Falkland Islamds have an EEZ as recognised under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
Seems weird that it was able to get this when no one has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands according to Voice.
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