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Falklands triggers strong reply from Cameron when Timerman brings up the issue at Celac/EU summit
Foreign Minister Hector Timerman defended on Wednesday Argentina’s right to claim the Falkland/Malvinas Islands during the summit of the Community of Latin American States (CELAC) and the European body which is taking place in the Belgian city of Brussels. UK Prime Minister David Cameron responded by describing his comments as threatening, according to British sources. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesDid the English government let the Chagos islanders decide by referendum (or any other means, for what matters) whether they should or should not be kicked off their own island in order to let a us military base in?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The way the English government behaves with regard to the pieces of land it looted here and there during the centuries is shameless, as the chanting of high principles when the claims come from other countries.
Did the Argies, Spanish or Pope get permission to rape, infect, murder and steal lands off the south American natives?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0No. Your bid for the Falklands is negated.
Timerman and la Kretina use every forum except the correct one to present their mythical version of the Argentina claim to sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. The only place to go to is the International Court of Justice.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron, your words were not strong enough, just tell Argentina to “ F**K OFF ”
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0@1
The situation in Chagos has been done to death in previous posts, so just move on.
@1
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes the old argument of you behaved badly towards them so you should do the same again. Possibly the most illogical of malvanista arguments.
The Chagos Islanders are actually Mauritians Marcos, and the archipelago will be returned to Mauritius when the deal is finished. The Mauritians who lived on the Chagos will then be able to talk to the Mauritian government about returning - although most of them have now become British citizens, so somehow I cannot see the Mauritian government being impressed.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands on the other hand have been British since 1765.
I hope that the Falklands government will write to every one present at the meeting, correcting the filth being peddled by the Argentine minister of Propaganda. and Lies
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 01 Marcos, you really are a witless fool!
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your monotonous wittering about the Chagos being 'wronged', actually undermines your actions against the Falklanders.
Marcos, ever the stupidest Arg troll on MP!!
“The Argentine government expects countries from the European Union to support the United Nations resolution that urges Argentina and the UK to dialogue over the Malvinas Islands,” Timerman said”
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina expects! Oh does it indeed, lots of luck with that one Hector, you were in Brussels not Caracas.
It is good that heroic hector has been forced to try and defend Argentina's bogus claim to the Falklands at the CELAC/EU summit and be forced to sit through PM Cameron's rebuttal. I wonder how he felt not having it all his own way and just hector the assembly like he usually does?
At 6:
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here here Roger, well said.
Argentina, find a rock and crawl under it. All this peace rubbish spouted by the ministers is ridiculous. The islands were invaded by Argentina, the people of the Falklands have the right to self determination and they have already chosen, there is nothing else to talk about. The military are there to protect due to the history of the FALKLANDS and the actions of Argentina, let us not forget. Get a grip and do one !
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos- You have just demonstrated that you really are as thick and ignorant as your Minister and president.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what Timerman or Argentina want?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0They deserve each other for their stupidity.
Should just have a recording of maniacal laughter & switch it right up whenever Timer-idiot makes these ridiculous “speeches”.
They just have to stop their lying.
Marcos-go to your room.
You're being as silly as paulcedron now.
Sorry people-
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0but argies here have my full support,
good luck with tin man and CFK,
boy if they were British and Cameron was an argy, there would be no problem
as the new British government of tin man and CFK would have KICKED ASS by now,
just saying like.
apparently David run off crying shouting screaming, why why why don't she leave me alone,
I've told her she can have them, as soon as I've sold the British people to the EU,
but she is embarrassing me,bla bla bla,
come back Churchill,
I said it once and I will keep on saying it,
CFK will do what she wants, when she wants , and to whom she wants, until David grows a spine and stops her,
send the rowing boats, send the wright brothers and there flying machine s ,
send in dads army,
and stop cutting bloody defence in favour of overseas aid,
cut of diplomatic relations , recall the ambassador , blockade its ports,
for fxck sake do something anything your bloody embarrassing us,
next bloody Christmas island will be attacking us,
put her in her place, give her more Barbie dolls to play with,
before they all think we are weak,
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
that's my rant for the morning....
Mr Cameron should put Timmerman up against a wall and slap his little frog face.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's what Argentinians understand best.
I love the idiotic arguments of chubby.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0One gives real historical arguments, Argentina, and the other, the fat idiot is only repeating the false referendum. This means that the referendum back in history, has nothing of arguments.
Furthermore no value that says “The Falklands have the right to self determination and the surrounding waters are under jurisdiction of the Falklands”. They arrogate rights over territorial argentine waters without any foundation, the very thieves (that's all they have been able to do in its history: stealing).
So the “the threatening words” are those of Timerman. Poor little pirates, they posing as victims when actually are the victimizers. Very crafty.
I got as far as “Disappointingly.Colonialism still exists” before collapsing in a fit of hysterical laughter.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet, the Falkland Islands are not Argentine; never have been; never will be.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I guess the Falkland Islanders won game, set and match. There is absolutely nothing Argentina can do about it. Nothing.
The agreement with the EU must be done leaving some space in the contract so that we can retaliate England so that she does not have unrestricted access to our market. Remember that the provision of services (including money laundering) is the strongest segment of them.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The agreement should focus on agricultural and industrial products. Services and access to public procurement should not be part of the agreement.
While they fail to return the Falklands, they can not be partners of America.
16 Jose- What real historical arguments?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell me How Many and Who were the civilian Argentine or other civilian people who were evicted by the British in 1`8ss?
I suggest you look at your OWN National archives - they will shoe you that NOBODY other than the United provinces militia and their families were evicted. All the other civilians were invited by the British to stay- and apart from 2 couples - they all stayed - the last one - a lady - died in Stanley in 1865 and her grave is in our cemetery here.
Do something uselfull Jose - tell your thick Minister and stupid President to tell the TRUTH for once in their lives - not lies!
#19 Brasshole
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good idea! Stop exporting Malbec wine to the UK. The same with Argentine lemons, pears, etc... Also, cut Buenos Aires off from any London financial services.
You really are a little ignorant twit.
18
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is so much you can do. For example, armed to the teeth and remove the pirates from a kick in the ass. But for that we need a government that has that intention.
Armed to the teeth with what exactly? Argentina couldn't kick it's way out of a wet paper bag.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/11666996/Argentina-president-attacks-ill-mannered-Cameron-over-Falklands.html
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0These Argentine idiots really must learn the etiquette of diplomacy - apparently Argentina is not aware that diplomacy is a skill not a way of opening your mouth and putting your feet into it! ¡Es un país lleno de nabos y pelotudos!
@14. 'Sorry people-
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0but argies here have my full support,'
I'm not surprised. You're beginning to sound like one. Wild comments unconnected with reality. What do you expect Cameron to do? Send the fleet? What exactly does argieland have with which to physically threaten the Falklands? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Navy#Current_fleet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Navy#Current_fleet
Should we despatch another 8 Typhoons? 16 Air Assault Brigade? We could, but to what purpose? If it sails, the argie navy will probably turn turtle and the wings of the air force will probably drop off.
We would have sent all those men and equipment 8,000 miles and then the argie back off. So we have to bring them all back. The garrison is quite adequate.
@22
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's been tried. Didn't end well for you.
Dear rotting roadkill, assorted rotting roadkillians and Cretina:
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you actually do something?
Right makes might to quote Lincoln so why don't you paddle out there and liberate those poor suffering natives from their British oppressors?
Why?
Why, indeed! 'Cause you don't have the G U T S for it.
No one believes that you'll actually ever do anything - again -ever.
Laughable.
One cruise missle would quell the rhetoric of rotting roadkill forever - OK at least until the 30th anniversary of its launching.
Losers.
Rgs have a hard time trying to be Macho when they're Impotent.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If someone really wanted that sh*thole one carrier would bring them to submission in a day.
They know it and that why they cry and whine so much.
CFK has accused David Cameron of being “ill mannered” over this latest spat.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm a little disappointed in our prime minister. I'd have prefered it if he had been overtly rude to her.
1 Marcos Alejandro
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your only three years behind the times on the Chagossian issue.
”The European Court of Human Rights has dismissed a case brought by Chagos Islanders claiming the right to return to their home in the Indian Ocean, bringing a long legal battle to a close. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/9758451/Chagos-Islanders-defeated-in-European-Court.html
Although compensation which was not a legal entitlement was paid out.
16 José Malvinero
Out of all the claims made the Referendum, is the only one that is founded on a irrefutable binding UN Charter right.
“ recalled that 10 June is for Argentina, Malvinas Islands Day of Sovereign Rights Reaffirmation, and an anniversary of “the creation of the first patriot government in the Malvinas” on that date in 1829.”
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks at least to Hector for confirming that nothing Jewett did, or Vernet did before 1829, constitute any form of Argentine administration of the islands. And of course the moment Vernet got himself appointed, there was an immediate British protest. With enemies like this, who needs friends?
28 LOL.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give the ole painted up, botox hussy this much:
In her current psychotic state she probably has more resolve in her little finger than the rest of her entire cabinet. This has to be frustrating for her when she just “knows” that rotting roadkill should be a “player” on a world stage and can't even sort out this little territorial dispute in her own back yard. I can visualize he stamping her foot and screaming “weak as water” at her emasculated minions.
LOL.
Malvineros may enjoy Cameron's bullish statements, but they fully know they cannot prevent Argentina to continue to claim the islands.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Threatening comments?” Come on! At least, PM Cameron should use real arguments.
Timerman requested the UN resolutions be respected, and in the meantime, natural resources extraction is illegal, he added.
What's threatening in all of that?
Nothing. So Cameron used the old, dishonest tactic of attributing the opponent words he hadn't said.
Not bad for a Prime Minister.
“The Argentine government” EXPECTS” Who the fook do these idiots think they are
Jun 11th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 None of the UN resolutions make it incumbent upon the UK to comply. Just as Argentina ignored the Security Council resolution to withdraw its troops from the Falkand Islands in 1982 leading to their compete “derrota” and their “rendición con los rabos entre las piernas”!
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So NO written document after the gathering supporting Argentina's fair tales then
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0June the 14th is of course LIBERATION DAY for the Falkland Islands.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember anything from the UN that may have favoured Argentina,
was made null and void after Argentina Invaded in 1982.
The People of the Falklands have made a free, fair (internationally monitored) and democratic choice to remain under British protection.
The people of the Falklands have the right of self determination.
No twaddle from Argentina will change that.
Delighted to see Tinman in Europe telling them what they should do and think. They already think the man is a goon, they will think it even more now.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long live self determination.
Timerman pushing the Malvinas Lie again.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“182 years ago, the United Kingdom expelled Argentine population and authorities from the Malvinas islands, breaking the territorial integrity of my country,”
A lie - the UK removed an illegal Argentine military occupation of British territory. There was no break of territorial integrity, because the islands were not Argentina's.
“Extracting natural resources that belong to the Argentine people is totally illegal”
Good thing that the Falkland Islanders aren't extracting any of the Argentine resources, they're exercising their right to extract resources that fall within the Falklands EEZ.
“...support the United Nations resolution that urges Argentina and the UK to dialogue over the Malvinas Islands,”
You mean a dialogue that you - personally - walked out on? The dialogue that Argentina essentially refuses to conduct in good faith?
If you want any form of productive dialogue, you must first agree to stop lying. Since your claim is based almost entirely on lies, we both know you'll never agree to that.
If you had a legitimate claim, you'd take it to the ICJ - if you could prove your case, you'd have acknowledgement of sovereignty before the year is out.
Either take the case to the ICJ or do the right thing and confess your deceptions to the UN - there's no other way to resolve this.
@16 José Malvinero
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it’s the UN that says that the Falkland Islanders have the right to self-determination and that they have jurisdiction over the surrounding waters, also the right to develop their natural resources free of interference.
It’s all in the UN charter/resolution 1415 as well as some others like resolution 2065.
You just have to read them.
What you and TinPot don’t seem to realise is that the world has computers and internet access, they can look this up for themselves on the UN website, as indeed can you.
Not to mention that it was the world in the form of the UNGA that voted to give the Islanders these rights in the first place decades ago and has confirmed that right in every vote since.
TinPot is speaking opiate for the masses back home, only in Argentina will you find people of a mind set to believe this sort of rubbish.
Anyone else supporting it is doing so for political/ideological reason of their own.
Most of the rest of the world has moved on from this sort of thinking and behaviour, unfortunately Argentina is one of the places that has not.
@ 33 Enrique Massot
Can’t remember ever having heard a word that is true, never mind a “real argument”, from any Argy politician on this subject.
Cameron is quite correct in what he said, the islanders do have the rights and Argentina is threatening them.
Another thing that should be done but incredibly no government do it: prohibit by law any pirate multinational trading company in Argentina, for example take away a Shell (Anglo-Dutch) and Unilever. But no. Argentine governments allows them to do business in Argentina. Being we do not need, and if we needed it, too.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Enrique
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you agree that the ICJ would look for stable and effective administration as evidence of Acquisition? So your clock starts on 10/6/1829.
Vernet's appointment is immediately and consistently protested by the British.
Vernet steals 3 US ships including the Harriet in July 1831 and leaves on it in Nov 1831. Brisbane, a British settler is now in charge until the Lexington arrives and exacts revenge. For the next 10 months there is NO administration on the islands until the Sarandi arrives in Oct 1832, though its commander is swiftly murdered in Nov and the British arrive back in Dec, reestablishing full administration in Jan 1833, followed by the Peace Treaty in 1850 ending all disputes.
Do you dispute any of these facts - I am very happy to update if I am wrong?
If not, then in your honest view do you believe that what went on between June 1829 and Jan 1833 could be in anyway described as stable and effective administration by Argentina? Because this is the very strongest your “claim” ever gets. Stable and effective? Now compare this to to the UK's position for the last 182 years and to the modern rights of the Falkland Islanders. Our dispute was settled 165 years ago, it's time to move on. Just let go, you will feel much better for it. Go for a walk, read a good book, but just let the islanders live in freedom, in the same Commonwealth that you enjoy.
@33. Here's a tip. UN General Assebly resolutions are NON-BINDING. Therefore Timerman was being a usual argie prat.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's the deal. One day, 20,000 years in the future, argieland may have the guts to take their claim to the ICJ (the Interstellar Court of Justice). At which time the UK will bring out its evidence. Argieland will be required to pay £20 quadrillion in compensation and another £20 quadrillion in expenses and costs. Something to look forward to, eh?
@41. “Pirate”? Based on your brain-scrubbed ga-ga 'mind'. You're going to be easy to turn into whipped peasants.
first, what the fuck was fatty camoron doing at CELAC/ EU summit?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as far as the whole fucking world knows, england will be out of the EU in a question of months, and so its 3th class colonies.
so the best thing this lard-ass should do is to shut the fuck up.
second, it seems that for fatty camoron, urging to dialogue about our islets is threat?
lol
threatening is what fatty camoron does permanently, sending those leaky war-boats to places like gibraltar, malvinas, chagos, and the list goes on.
they are a serious threat to our wonderful ecosystem.
mon dieu...these 3rd class plebs and lard-ass camoron deserve each other.
41. Concur. I have already proposed pulling the first world charters of the banks if they don't abandon rotting roadkill.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Paulie- Do you have to show the world how thick and ignorant you are every time you open your foul mouth?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron is not the Primeminister of England - nor is England a member of the EU
He is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom- and the UK IS a full member of the EU.
There will be a referendum on EU membership in 2 years time in UK but it does NOT mean UK will want to leave - they may well vote to stay in it.
You see in the EU we have a thing called democracy - our elections and referendums are not rigged before hand nor during.
13 isolda
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isolda shut up
TAKE SOME LINDEN TEA FOR THE PRIME MINISTER PLEASE.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder why was Cameron so nervous, he should have kept calm, after all we all know that it's hightly probable that Argentina never recovers the sovereignty of the islands, because although many hypocrites here don't accept it, in some aspects, Britain still behaves like the same thief of XIX century, who deprived our country of exercising it's rights over the islands in 1833.
The day that many people here stop repeating the british propaganda, they will realise that for discussing about such a complicated sovereign conflict like this one, it's necesary to investigate deeply about it, and they'll see that the case has strong and weak aspects for both nations.
Although anybody has right to continue to live in a fantasy world, where they buy that only our representants make a too partial lecture about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict, as far as i'm concerned, i have always signalized what both parts omit, before the U. N, or before any other international scenario, and i'll keep on doing it.
I know that after reading this, some people will recommend Argentina again, that it should take the case to the I.C.J., then i'll remind them, that our country suggested taking the case to an arbitration in 1884 and 1888, which was rejected by the U.K., but in1847, Britain manifested Argentina that it would be disposed to discuss about the case of the dependencies from the islands (South Georgia and Sandwich), but it hadn't included the Malvinas in that proposal, after that year, none of the two nations proposed again to take the cause to the I.C.J.
In my opinion i think that if neather Argentina nor the U. K. decides to give that step, is because perhaps both aren't sure of getting a positive result, if the cause is analized by the Court.
Anyway, it' s expectable that some mediocre people continue to believe that only our representants omit nformation about the aspects that involve this conflict.
@22
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ armed to the teeth” wonderfull, but you have to have soldiers who are prepred to die for victory, not like your “ pussy ” lily livered conscipts. you need “ MEN ” to fight you pussy.
When Malvineros begin blaming Argentina for the massacre of the original people (a huge, inexcusable injustice), I know they feel insecure and the need to grab whatever they can to reassure themselves.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And so, for the coming years things will continue status quo until international pressure and other inconveniences outgrow the advantages, and a British government eventually decides to surrender the islands.
By that time, Argentina will have designed policies to reassure the islanders that their rights and property will be respected if they decide to stay once change takes place.
I know many will scoff now, but hey, there is nothing that time and persistence can't do.
I sincerely pity the islanders for living in this state of constant fear. Ending this is incumbent to Great Britain.
48 axel arg
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no possible grounds for the UK to go to the ICJ over the Falklands, because the UK has sovereignty. What kind of case would the UK bring? We already have what we want.
You are the ones that want a change, so it is for you to bring the case. That's how the law works.
And don't say 'analized'; that means something quite different.
@48 axel arg
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK says PM Cameron was not calm, hummm. Not very likely to be true, is it?
Cameron answers questions (on any subject) in Parliament for an hour every week (PMQ’s), not allowed to lie or insult. When was the last time CFK or TinPot had to do this?
They could not do this.
Irrespective of the strengths and weakness of the British vs Argy case, it is the UN that say the Islanders now have the right to self-determination, which has been confirmed several time now by Ban-Ki Moon.
Including in a long interview he gave to the Argy paper Tiempo Argentino. Not that you would know that reading the press coverage of it in Argentina.
And you talk of propaganda!
Try reading Chilean or Uruguayan newspapers and you will soon learn who is living in a dream world.
The British will not accept the judgment of the ICJ over the Falklands, as they do not recognise the courts jurisdiction in matters dating from before 1900.
Argentina won’t accept the British offer (since Argentina first claimed them in 1946) to take the matter of S. Georgia/Sandwich Islands to the ICJ,
Why, could it be because when you look at the facts not the fiction, Argentina doesn’t have a case?
@48 axel arg
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's case for sovereignty is based on myths, lies, misrepresentation of historic events and thus is not worthy of consideration. The claim is perpetuated merely as an excuse for Argentina's leaders to divert attention away from the continuing failure of the political system in your country. Furthermore, “malvinismo” is propaganda used to brainwash your population from a very young age to believe in something which is not true.
There is also the fact that in 1850 Argentina and Britain signed the Arana Southern Treaty which tacitly showed that Argentina withdrew its claims to sovereignty to the Falkland Islands. Between December 1849 and 1941, the Falklands were not mentioned in the President's Messages to Congress. Furthermore, Argentine leaders indicated in the 1860s that there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain, and that Argentine maps did not show the islands as part of Argentina
Well... well... well...
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems to be that the Engrish Pirate leader is losing his cool about the “British Overseas Territories” issue....
Specially after the freshly included reference to the “Respect for the Territorial Integrity of the States ”... on the 2015 EU -CELAC Summit final declaration... http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/06/11-eu-celac-summit-brussels-declaration/
PS...:
Estimado señor Massot...
Siempre un placer leer sus centrados comentarios...
gordo trolo
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Arana Southern Treaty which tacitly showed that Argentina withdrew its claims to sovereignty to the Falkland Islands. ”
lets see if you can understand, AT LEAST, 1 (ONE) thing, you retarded fatso.
the tratado de southern arana was the way for england to accept its defeat in vuelta de obligado, to recognize the sovereignty of the confederacion argentina and to stop the intervention of england where they didnt have a shite to do.
england got what they want too, to re-establish the “commerce” (looting of) with argentina.
it has nothing to do with malvinas, you ignorant fatso.
and you, bag of fat, talk about “myths, lies, misrepresentation of historic events”, eh reverendo pelotudo?
@ Think
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have you actually read the full paragraph you have quoted from? How can Argentina in good conscience sign that declaration and yet continue to try to deny the islanders their right to self-determination? Does Argentina ever read or care about what it signs?
Rgs are stuck in the past because their present and future are bleak.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be too if I were one of them.
There's no hope and the only thing they can cling to is an enhanced “glorious” past.
let them devolve, who cares...
Pretty soon they won't have the means to afford the technology to communicate with the civilized world.
and probably nobody will notice.
Desperate words , from a desperate argy,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she will be gone very soon and will disappear into oblivion,
and so will the desperate argy bloggers who follow this false lunatic..
(56) Redrow
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Them Islanders have, as the British Citizens they are, the right of self-determination in the UK...
But NOT , in any way, in some windblown Argentinean Islands on the Southern South Atlantic...
Capisce?
50 Enrique Massot
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who said we were 'living in fear'? Are we supposed to be afraid? Of what? That some Argentine politician is going to sneer at us? I've experienced that, and I can tell you that it wasn't very scary.
We live in a state of mild exasperation. Nothing for you to worry your head about.
Argentina's fiscal deficit increased nearly fourfold in the first quarter. The Ministry of Finance reports that between January and March, the red of the National Treasury was accumulated $ 57,750.4 million.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1800544-el-deficit-fiscal-financiado-con-impresion-de-billetes-en-5-graficos
Remember me saying there's a TSUNAMI of inflation coming..
:)
I get giddy when I see articles like this...
simply giddy
The argies speak big, but do very little,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0they brag , but cant back it up
the only reason they will not take it to the ICJ, is because they know they have no case,
and are just using the islands as a distraction from there own collapsing economy.
59 Think
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mwaahaha...I knew you were Paul Cedron all along. You must be really really bored.
bored from stirring the black cauldron,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and casting spells..
and I Think its back because Reekie has been such a complete disaster.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 065 +1 Bahahahaha…
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@50
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Enrique, when do you expect this “international pressure” to actually materialize? I mean so far, even among the ethnic supremacists of the PIMPLE countries (Predominantly IMplanted Populations of Latino Extraction), all we've seen so far is a flag ban which is not just totally ineffectual, but was actually designed to be so. Where are the sanctions, the boycotts, the divestments, the embargoes? Where are the UN Resolutions? Not a cheep since 1988, and let's not even mention the disastrous attempt to limit the right of self-determination in 2008. Alternatively, if this i all the international pressure you are able to muster, how many years of “mild exasperation” ((c) Monty69) do you think will be necessary before a UK governments elects to commit political suicide by imposing an Argentine colonial regime on unwilling Falkland Islanders?
48 axel arg
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Although anybody has right to continue to live in a fantasy world, where they buy that only our representants make a too partial lecture about the historic and the legal aspects of this conflict”
I'm not stopping you from living in your fantasy world at all. Meanwhile, in the REAL world, we have a ll the facts!!
50 Enrique Massot
“By that time, Argentina will have designed policies to reassure the islanders that their rights and property will be respected”
NOTHING can “reassure the islanders that their rights and property will be respected”, Remember, fool, we still remember what happened the last time argentina was in charge of the Falklands. You said the same thing back then as well and just look at what happened.
55 BottyBoypaulie
....and felcher paulie wades into the debate with his usual wrong answers!! Nice one Paulie, but you sit down and let someone who is not a retard have a go. What do you say huh, champ?
Champ, you mean chump!
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@55 cara de orto podrido
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am pleased to tell you that you are WRONG.
”The treaty is viewed as a considerable triumph for the Argentine dictator General Rosas, as it was the first time the emerging South American nations were able to impose their will on two European empires (Britain and France). However, Rosas, as he had previously over the debt to Barings Bank, was prepared to concede Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands in the Convention. The treaty settled “the existing differences” between the two nations.” From http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Arana–Southern+Treaty
I agree with the islanders. It takes more pressure in the Five Eyes, isolate them from the rest of the world. Unasur, Southern Africa and the BRICS should do as China and Russia said: Economic Sanctions In the Five Eyes until they give back what belongs to Argentina.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More pressure. Total Economic Sanctions!
@55 cara de orto podrido
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From the same source
“Historians’ opinions
A number of historians have commented on the relation of the Convention of Settlement to the Falklands dispute. The Mexican diplomat and historian Carlos Pereyra considers that General Rosas gave up the claim to the Falklands in order to end Britain's involvement in the River Plate.
The impact of the treaty was also raised in a 1950 debate on Argentina's claim to the Falklands by a member of the Argentine Chamber of Deputies, Absalón Rojas.
Other Argentine historians have commented on the impact that the Convention of Settlement has upon Argentina's modern sovereignty claim, such as historian Alfredo R. Burnet-Merlín. Ernesto J. Fitte considers that the Argentine Confederation should have included its restitution in the treaty.”
#59 Think
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's actually pleasant to see you back, despite the fact I have little to agree with you about.
71 Brasileiro
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Five Eyes'?? I have no idea what you are talking about. Unless it's that you think global commerce and the financial markets across the English-speaking world should be brought to the point of collapse over the Falklands. Is that it?
Pathetic. Nobody cares.
69 CaptainSilver
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Champ, you mean chump!”
Yeah, sorry about that....my bad.
It was a fit of good will but now you come to mention it. I was giving him WAY too much credit.
Brazil does not just sell more Niobium for the Five Eyes and you'll see what pathetic.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's always fun to see the argies with serious mental illnesses blabbering: Enrique Massot, Marcos Alejandro, José Malvinero, paulito 3-brain-cells, who have all been shown that Argentine sources acknowledge that not a single Argentine civilian was expelled from the Falkland Islands in 1833, and that the peace treaty of 1850 plus Argentine presidents and an Argentine vice president have acknowledged that the Falkland Islands are indeed British.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think I am correct in stating that the argie twats can make all the claims pre-1982 that they want.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1982 all their claims ended: the Brits handed their arses to them on a plate.
End of, game, set and match to the UK.
76 Brasileiro
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you think Brazil is going to do that do you? Really?
The US is a much more important trading partner for Brazil than Argentina is.
59 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...the right of self-determination... ...NOT , in... ...Islands on the Southern South Atlantic...”. Hmm and of course you can show the applicable part of the UN Charter, or a ruling from the ICJ et al or some statute. Otherwise we I left with merely naked a assertion, and you surely weren't stupid enough to intend that.
Remember me saying there's a TSUNAMI of inflation coming..
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Telephone rates are going up 183% next month...
:)
78 ChrisR
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In 1982 all their claims ended: the Brits handed their arses to them on a plate.”
So, because argentina used force to try and resolve this issue ( and monumentally FAILED ) then that is it?
You mean that they can cry and scream and whine all they want, but they p*ssed on their own fireworks back in 1982?
Does that then make UN resolution 2065 null and void as well?
Even though it was non-binding in the first place?
@ 79 Montygomery
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Money is not everything. United States lives of speculation and spy.
USA is not our friend because our interests are opposed. USA is our enemy!
@47 stinky paulcedron,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ls that the best that you can do? Pathetic, just like Argentina's ridiculous“claims”.
Har!
@48 axel baby,
You cannot “recover” what you never owned. lts impossible.
e.g. Argentina CANNOT recover the Falklands because Argentina has NEVER owned them.
Therefore, of course, Argentina CANNOT “exercise its rights” in the Falklands because Argentina HAS NO RIGHTS in the Falklands.
Hope that this has cleared the matter up for you as you so obviously were on the wrong track.
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Looks like Think has grown bored by playing Voice & has come back to us as himself. Or is it Voice playing Think? ha ha ha ha ha!
83 Brasshole, thanks for that, we'll tell Uncle Sam… Bahahahaha
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 084 What! I'm the voice, I don't Think, but thats obvious. Think has been reconnected, the electrodes have been connected again and he is booting up. Bit of a fail on the Celac/EU summit but never mind. :-(
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wow they're all out. Cameron stuck a stick right in the nest and they all come out in force.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I read the declarations and was proud to see the inclusion of respecting territorial integrity. Especially that Argentina signed this and should therefore respect the territorial integrity of the UK which has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands as well as SGSSI.
Nowhere in the declaration did I see the usual Argentinean clause about their fanciful claims to others territory. Such clauses are usually used to prove support for Argentina's false territorial claims. Ergo, their absence can only be construed as none of the countries present supporting such claims.
I mean if their inclusion denotes support then their absence denotes lack of support? You can't keep moving the goalposts.
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/06/11-eu-celac-summit-brussels-declaration/
(73) Chicureo
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Likewise....
At least we should be able to agree upon the first president of Chile being an Argie......:
http://www.derutasydestinos.com/calles_capital_federal_blanco-encalada.html....
NOT a Paddy!!!...:
http://www.derutasydestinos.com/calles_capital_federal_blanco-encalada.html....
Don't you think?
Cretina is awaiting a statement of support from Jim Luer.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 82 toooldtodieyoung
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spot on!
It's simple really, just like the argies.
:o)
@88 Think
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0El Think!
You've been on hiatus? I trust you've been well.
I will be making my first trip to Argentina sometime this fall (November most likely), to install a exchanger-extruder at Dow, Bahia Blanca. If the commissioning goes smoothly (and it usually does with my stuff), I thought I'd take an extra week or ten days and drive south.
I understand that Trelew is a good visit and an easy day's drive; thereafter I'd probably jsut play it by ear.
I assume that that's in your neighbourhood? (Remember, I'm Canadian, so anything within a 800 km radius is considered “in the neighbourhood”).
It'd be great to meet-up and tell lies over a pint or ten? (Both Troy & Enrique can vouch for me on that account).
Cheers, Derke
80
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps he was Voicing an opinion...almost like the way you state opinions as legal facts...have you managed to find ANY facts at all...?
84
Surely at least you should be able to tell the difference between us....I swear...he never does....
88 Mr.Think
Where have you been Mr.Think...?
I'm tiring of folk mistaking me for you...I have no idea why...;-)))))
LOL would love to see Cameron wipe the floor with the old trollop kirchner she's definitely no match
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@88 El Think, er... 'wee man' syndrome... I mean, Vestige... or exposed “Surfer”...
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Stinko/voice, yer gettin' sloppy!
Correcting ole Chicureo, for a post, on a thread you were never on :-D
I see ”vestige is 'nearby', though...
With your ego, you couldn't keep yer mouth shut, could ya? :-)
Too clever, by half!!
So,
Derke is coming for a visit, to Chew Butt??
Ain't that where u live?? Sure... you do!!
Y'know, Derke is a pretty even minded guy.
He was great company over a few pints, and an interesting raconteur.
I understand that he and Enrique talked for four hours or so - they got along great.
Enrique invited Derke and his wife, for a BBQ, this summer.
Imagine - Enrique, a REAL Argentine, BBQing the best Alberta beef, and plenty of Malbec, etc. !!
Sounds great, though I'm sure you could prove that Paul's Pampas-fed beef, is far superior, right???
Nawww... 'cause you don't live there.
(or in Trout Run, for that matter...)
92 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I stated any legal opinions without citations you would be able to show it. But, in my opinion, properly cited opinions are legal facts, if they weren't you would be able to demonstrate they weren't, with of course the prerequisite citation. Moreover, according to your specious reasoning every legal judgement is invalid as they are opinions. So your claim in post #59 that the Islanders Referendum is invalid was, as I suspected completely bogus. But then it's consistent with everything else you post which is fraudulent.
David Cameron broke down in tears after Hector Timerman “threatening words”
Jun 12th, 2015 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://thecolemanexperience.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/cry-baby-davie.png
96
Jun 12th, 2015 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0grow up, you feeb.
So the UK feels threatened by Argentina. This has to be a joke. This is no way for a country that believes it has a 'special relationship' with the US to act. The US does not like or respect wimps.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Despite feeling threatened the UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
@96 Marcos
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Truly amazing that paranoid fantasist Coleman had a picture of the event 9 months before it happened.
I heard David Cameron did cry...... from laughing so hard.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0First CFK's claim on poverty and now Timerman with his fairytales.
@95
Jun 12th, 2015 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Mr. Terence Hill,
Seriously, I really think it is time for your to go search out another form.
Your postings are far too logical, reasonable, and well thought-out to have anything but a peripheral influence here. You really should look elsewhere.
It's not exactly the mensa club we have going here..
Just a suggestion. You're wasted here (mind you, we've got a few others in the same boat; Skip, Monty, LepP, Red, Hans, etc).
If you can't sink into the gutter on your first post, then you're out of your league.
Cheers,
D
@96 Marcos,
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Suuuuuuuuure, Marcos…… of course, we believe you.
We're terrified of you……ldiot.
Hepatia says we're frightened & she'd know(not!).
Just showing the world what a lot of untrustworthy bullies that is Argentina. lol!
101
Jun 12th, 2015 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you get your head from out of your arse....Terry Hill is a fuckwit...if you think he makes sense, then you are obviously the same...
He is a cut and paste merchant of opinions....
....and wait for it....
this one is a classic.......“properly cited opinions are legal facts”
I reckon he should qualify for Mensa with that one......
....and another....
“Moreover, according to your specious reasoning every legal judgement is invalid as they are opinions”
...I reckon most folks reasonings would be...every legal judgement is a judgment based on available facts and where they lac...., expert opinions....
The key word is ....Judgment
The Falklands question has never been judged and so Terry relies on opinions that suit his position and conveniently omits opinions, even from the same “Expert” that don't....
Yeah....that's real clever......
ps...Get your head out of your arse....why would anyone fall over themselves to meet you, just because you request it...?
Fer fecks sake...99% of “Forum bloggers” are sad feckers, keyboard warriors and social misfits ...everyone knows that....
....Folk, one crosses the road to avoid....not meet.....
pps.....You do not exist under that name....
#88 Think
Jun 12th, 2015 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0My goodness you've still got your wit. I concede your point.
Welcome back.
@98 Hepatia
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a difference between identifying threatening language and actually feeling threatened. I concede it is a fairly subtle distinction and as such the point may be lost on you, but please try harder next time.
@103
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ Fer fecks sake...99% of ” Forum Bloggers “ are sad feckers” so that by inference that must apply to you. Are you a “ sad fecker?”
oThe Falkland Islands are economically self-supporting, but their defense is provided by the United Kingdom. Unemployment is only 1 percent Tourism, including a thriving ecotourism industry, creates most of the economic activity in the Islands, but the recent discovery of oil and gas in the waters around the Islands raises the possibility that they could become more prosperous and more economically diverse and might even acquire a strategic significance that they currently do not possess.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Settlement of the Falkland Islands
The British have administered the Falkland Islands peacefully and continuously since 1833, with the exception of the two months in 1982 when the Islands were invaded and illegally occupied by Argentine military forces.
The first confirmed sighting of the Falkland Islands was by the Dutch sailor Sebald van Weert in 1600. The first known landing was made in 1690 by a British naval captain, John Strong, when the Islands were named after Viscount Falkland, a prominent British lawmaker. There is no archeological proof that anyone visited or lived on the islands before they were sighted and settled by Europeans.
In 1764, the French, under the leadership of French explorer Louis de Bougainville, established a small colony on East Falkland.In 1765, the British explorer Captain John Bryon landed on and explored West Falkland, claiming British possession of it and “all neighboring islands” for King George III. Soon afterwards, another British explorer, Captain John MacBride, established the first British colony at Port Egmont. Initially, neither the French nor the British settlements realized that the other one existed.
In 1767, the Spanish protested the establishment of the French settlement and asserted that the Islands did not belong to France. As France and Spain were bound by the Pacte de Famille, a family alliance between King Louis XV of France and King Charles III of Spain, both from the House of Bourbon, the French gave way and departed. When
@ 101 DerkeBlake
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”It's not exactly the (SIC) mensa club we have going here..”
I suggest you speak for yourself.
British Falklands.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1767, the Spanish protested the establishment of the French settlement and asserted that the Islands did not belong to France. As France and Spain were bound by the Pacte de Famille, a family alliance between King Louis XV of France and King Charles III of Spain, both from the House of Bourbon, the French gave way and departed. When the Spanish arrived, they reimbursed Louis de Bougainville for his private expenses, but Spain did not purchase ownership of the French settlement or transfer it to Spain.
In 1770, the Spanish forcibly removed the British from Port Egmont. This led to the Falklands Crisis of 1770, which almost brought the British and Spanish Empires to war. After the Spanish realized their military inferiority and both sides recognized that they had no appetite for a European war over the Islands, the British colony was reestablished less than a year later.
Then, in 1774, as part of a broader British global realignment, the commanding officer, however, made it clear that British sovereignty was being neither relinquished nor abandoned. In fact, upon departing the Islands, the British erected a flag and plaque reaffirming British sovereignty over the Islands. The plaque stated:
Be it known to all nations that the Falkland Islands, with this fort, the storehouses, wharfs, harbors, bays, and creeks thereunto belonging are the sole right and property of His Most Sacred Majesty George the Third, King of Great Britain, France and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, etc. In witness whereof this plate is set up, and his Britannic Majesty’s colors left flying as a mark of possession by S. W. Clayton, commanding officer at Falkland Islands, A.D. 1774
in a nut shell,
Soddy Offy.....
106
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not so hot on the 'ole Arithmetic ....are we...work it out....
108
He thinks he's a clever bastard casting ...'Nasturtiums' on the majority of folk that he deems...not so clever....
Illuminating though how he doesn't include in his list of “clever folk” the two that he has apparently met....
107
Briton...take no notice of Conqueror...you have nothing to prove...rant all you like, your opinions are just as valid as anyone's....
Cameron had every right to reply to the Jew boy who now as a brown IRANIAN Nose-even I would have stood up after listening to tin mans rant only I would have told the older fooker where to take a running jump-JUST SAYING OFCOURSE.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@111 You are anti semite! To bring Timerman's ethnic and religious origin into the debate is not correct even though the rest of your posting may be understood. Your comment is ad hominem and should be removed by the moderator.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hell, here's what I have to say about Cameron's appeal to the right of self-determination of the Falklanders http://goo.gl/DqGTZb. I think it's a bad joke, as well as the time when they accused us of colonizers
Jun 12th, 2015 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that the only difference between KFC's deluded colonial rantings and the deluded colonial actions of Galtieri is about 50 litres of Botox....as they say 'you can put lipstick on a pig...but it's still a f**king pig'.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0103 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You talk the talk, but you don't walk the walk. You've lost every encounter we've had, simply because you don't have anything that supports your position. What you lack, and what I post, is proper citations. Your claim that I “omits opinions” is because of your attempt to take a fairly contemporary legal view and apply it retroactively. Until, I used a former president of the ICJ to show it was barred under the rules of international law. Your problem is your reliance on viveza criolla, and a belief that you can bend truth to your will. But, the fact that you chose to throw your ego into mix, has just resulted in you being a sore loser.
@104 Chicureo
Jun 12th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“#88 Think
My goodness you've still got your wit. I concede your point.
Welcome back.”
Chicureo,
don't be fooled, “Think” was never away.
He was just here in his humourless witless forms of “voice” and “vestige”.
Note that he disappeared very quickly, as soon as Derke wanted to visit in Argentina, and verify his existence.
Then “voice” jumped to his aid - with his trademark derision and intimidation....!!
I think he's angry that he can't use the characteristic “Think” persona's wit, without risking awkward questions about where he REALLY lives.
@103 voice/think
“.....You do not exist under that name....”
Good try -
Troll at DEFCON 4 now, right??
I have seen Derke's driver's license and Passport - he's legit.
Try again !
:-D
@115 Terence Hill
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some people have trouble understanding that SC JUDGEMENTS are arrived at via majority (sometimes concurring/plurality) OPINION ......... there's that awful word again!; supposedly based on the arguments set forth, precedent and personal bias. Each vote is actually referenced as an OPINION.
Just like he doesn't understand the use of “etc”.
Anyway, I do get a chuckle out of you whacking him around like a kitten unravelling (how metaphorically appropriate) a ball of yarn; so thanks for that. I just wish you were more evenly matched.
And for the record. The question of whether I have “apparently” met Troy and Enrique is not open for debate; nor is my name. Not only have I met them, they have seen my driver's licence, Nexus card and/or passport. Just ask either of them. They're not exactly on the same team.
You won't find any anonymous keyboard Dutch-courage here; although with creepy stalkers like him laying in wait, it's probably the smarter route to take. I actually wish I would have been more careful now.
Your slow-moving target on the other hand, as you so rightly point out in each post, has enough noms de plume to make Billy Milligan blush.
Have a nice day, but please don't beat up his current alter ego too badly; he might not come out to play again. Leave a bit of dignity hanging.
You have more patience than me.
@116 Troy
I'll bring some smoked sockeye on Tuesday. Bring a cooler with some ice.
D
115
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a selective memory...I caught you quoting...
“If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...”
but omitting from the same source....
“ A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war.”
That certainly destroyed your point and got you your arse handed to you on a plate..
116
“I have seen Derke's driver's license and Passport - he's legit.”
Well we'll just take the word of a Super Puppet for that.....
How weird is that...taking your passport for a drink and a chat...
Is this normal behaviour...I Think not....
I note some sycophant behaviour @101 and again @117....where have I seen this MO before.....;-))))
117
Wow that was a clever post...I'm dazzled by your intellect....
It's a pity that you, like Terry Hill can't tell the difference between Your and You're....did any of you ever graduate from High school...?
Lucky for you that Mensa doesn't include grammar.....
@113 JuanMSanchez
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0!Nabo pelotudo! ¡Troll de la Cámpora!
“It's a pity that you, like Terry Hill can't tell the difference between Your and You're....did any of you ever graduate from High school...?”
Jun 12th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He really makes it too easy, as he is incorrect.
He can only be referring to “Your slow-moving target”; whereas “Your” in this instance is obviously being employed as a possessive pronoun; specifically referring to “Terence Hill's” slow-moving target (Voice being the “target”). I originally typed “slow-witted”, but changed it because I try not to personally insult anyone on this form.
How could I possibly have meant “You are slow-moving target”, without using a determiner such as “a” or “the”.
At least he's consistent about being wrong; which is to be admired.
I won't hold my breath for the acknowledgement or apology.
PS As Troy and Enrique are aware, I had to leave school at 15; which I expect says more about Voice's debating skills than mine. Must make him very proud to get a grammatical smack-down from an illiterate bumpkin .
Now off for a kayak. have a nice day all.
D
118 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 12th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was obviously referring your belated attempt to invoke Kelsen. But, you can switch and bait all you want, to conclude your quote at #349 Falklands: “We are an Overseas Territory, ... “....Debts prior to the war, and injuries committed prior to the war, but which made no part of the reasons for undertaking it. remain entire,...” In other words civil/private obligations are not part of the treaty, but it's a moot point as such conditions never existed. The Argentine president Domingo Sarmient's acknowledgement that there were no “..claims unconnected with the cause of the war....”
120
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Your slow-moving target on the other hand, as you so rightly point out in each post, has enough noms de plume to make Billy Milligan blush.”
Of course I was referring to that quote...It doesn't make any sense...as you would be implying that I am also Mr. Think and yet you post to him separately and wish to visit him in Argentina....
Whereas I'm in Scotland....so I naturally assumed you were referring to Terry as the slow moving target....
Make your mind up, either I am him or I'm not...
Left school at 15....that explains why you think an idiot like Terry Hill might be clever....hell everyone must appear clever to you....
Enjoy your work...I retired at the age of 37....because I could....
Perhaps I was cleverer than you.......
121
Here is the full quote the part in Caps is not referring to debts private or otherwise it is clearly referring to claims unconnected with the cause of the war...
Sooo...Argentina's claim was not extinguished....
No wonder you omitted that part....
Wriggle all you like, but I caught you out....your point became irrelevant...you lost.
“§ 11. A TREATY OF PEACE DOES NOT EXTINGUISH CLAIMS UNCONNECTED WITH THE CAUSE OF THE WAR. Debts prior to the war, and injuries committed prior to the war, but which made no part of the reasons for undertaking it. remain entire, and the remedies are revived. The treaty of peace says Wheaton, ”does not extinguish claims founded upon debts contracted, or injuries inflicted previously to the war, and unconnected with its causes unless there be an express stipulation to that effect. Nor does it affect private rights acquired antecedently to the war, or private injuries unconnected with the causes which produced the war. ”
International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872....CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
122 Voice, Vestige, Think et al'
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are as deluded as your favored nation. So you have simply confirmed what I stated in my last post, that your point is moot, as there were no claims under Section 11 to wit: 'In his Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869 President Domingo Sarmiento expressed satisfaction at the state of Argentina's foreign relations': “The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness.”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
So you just keep trying to ram that square peg into that round hole. But a definitive Argentine authority absolutely refutes your contention. You lose again, so give it up.
“The Argentine government expects countries from the European Union to support the United Nations resolution that urges Argentina and the UK to dialogue over the Malvinas Islands,” Timerman said ”
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange, Argentina usually demands countries to do something. Perhaps the demand has no effect. Timmerman bring a thick ijiot has forgotten that the Falkland Islands are part of the EU and that the EU are supporting 2065 which insists that the interests of the population are taken into account (the EU gives the Island grants, therefore taking their interests into account). Possibly the EU supports a move from the Islands toward Independence, (also stipulated in the resolution). The resolution has to take note of the UN Charter, so as the EU are doing this, they are supporting 2065. So Timmo, you've got what you want, relax on the flight home and inform Chrissie all is well.
I'm not a Brit, so I wouldn't presume to make any remarks about internal UK issues. However, from a foreign perspective, I'm glad that Cameron told Timmerman where to get off. About time. I hope the new President of Uruguay follows suit.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious. Embarrassed himself by being 100% wrong on a condescending grammatical correction; firmly stuck both feet in his mouth; and not secure enough to honourably lick his wounds and move one. How derisive and telling. A sad poison to carry through life. Creeps me out to think that he may have enjoyed the spanking.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It actually never once occurred to me that he was El Think or Vestige until such was (very recently and accurately) pointed out by Troy and Terence; and it assuredly struck a chord when he started responding to inquiries directed toward El Think. I guess that I naively accept that people are honest and forthright on here; until they prove otherwise (the unsophisticated cherub that I am). So congratulations on that!
I must admit that I enjoyed my previous (very cordial and enlightening) exchanges with El Think; very disappointed to learn he is but a small fragment of the dissociative identity disorder that is the “wee voice” (trademark to Troy, I believe).
It is said we only genuinely care about the opinions of people we respect. As such, it is with regret that I send El Think & Vestige off to join the wee voice in the charnel house. Sadly, I'm certain that he'll start stitching together a new cadaver shortly.
Cheers All,
D
PS How do you think “they” decide whose turn it is to be in charge? Must be confusing. This November, I believe I'll scatter some (cigar) ashes in Chubut in memory of dear old El Think.
Derke,
Jun 13th, 2015 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The long and the short of it is, “voice” is “Commander DoD” without the fruit salad, and there is no “Think” living in Argentina.
“Think” is the root persona for wee voice, Vestige , and others - ain't no way “Think” can invite you to a BBQ or a single malt, in Chubut.
That's why “voice” is on full damage control. He sure stayed up late to distract and deflect.
Funny how “voice” is taking pains that he is such a 'personal
success story'... “retired at 37'” and stewing in Dunoon, unable to
travel !!
What is it, voice/think, a criminal record, or are you living on a disability pension??
The optics in the two photos in this article tell it all, on the one hand a full-face picture of PM Cameron and, on the other, a ‘glimpse’ of the Argentine Foreign Minister ‘Heroic’ Hector hiding ignominiously behind Argentine and EU flags.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0And hide he should, for his rhetoric and behaviour regarding the Falklands is disgraceful. This forum was different from the Latin American associations he normally attends. There he can get away with his lies and deceptions regarding the Falkland and the Islanders with apparent impunity. His delusional claims go largely unchallenged perhaps because nobody cares or perhaps the others just go along with him to keep the peace. Either way it should not be acceptable for nations to allow his morally reprehensible, Nazi like tactics and rhetoric to go unchallenged, but that is their shame. However, on this occasion, Hector was in Brussels home of the EU and at a meeting that included the Prime Minister of the UK, so when he launched into his usual lying attack against the UK, he received a predictable and appropriate riposte from PM Cameron.
Cameron’s ‘strong reply’ was restrained but appropriate. His description of Timberman’s language as ‘threatening’ is spot on. Hector has lied about the historical record and his attempts to circumvent UN rules regarding decolonisation by trying to brand the Falkland Islanders as ‘squatters’ and ‘non-people’ is morally reprehensible and reminiscent of the tactics that the Nazis used against minorities. Therefore, his language and conduct is not only a threat to the Falkland Islanders but an affront to freedom and democracy everywhere.
Argentina seems to be incapable of learning the lessons of history. Remember 1982, there were around 10,000 Argentine prisoners of war. They are good at talking the talk!
Timmerman was slapped down at the EU/Celac forum, as he should have been.
123
Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great to see that you have finally admitted that your“ Experts” quote is meaningless as one of your nine planks of International Law supporting your position...
Instead you now have to rely on the words of President Domingo Sarmiento ...not exactly a plank is it....;-))))
126/127
Two Canadians...both sycophants, both from the same area of Canada, both have fcuk all to do with the Falklands or South America...both supporting each other...
Some fcuking coincidence....if you ask me....
Yeah I'm Think...Vestige...Terence Hill et alia...
In fact there are only four people on this forum and I'm all the rest...I am fluent in Spanish and I'm capable of conducting multiple Identities, multiple conversations on multiple threads and even multiple posts at exactly the same time....
or
You 'two' are idiots...
One of the two....
129 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 13th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see your still attempting to get the tail to wag the dog. 'in his Message at the opening of the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1865, President Bartolome Mitre said that Argentina had scrupulously fulfilled undertakings with Britain and France, so'“there was nothing to prevent the consolidation of friendly relations between this country and those Governments.” Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
“Experts” quote is meaningless” only if what you had claimed was true. But since it's false, as further verified by a second Argentine President, your claim has absolutely no application thus
the following is all that is relevant to the issue at hand. “ § 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, unless there be some express stipulations to the contrary. The existing state of possession is maintained, except so far as altered by the terms of the treaty. If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the possessor, and his title cannot afterward be called in question. The intervention of peace covers all defects of title, and vests a lawful possession in the purchaser, in the same manner as it quiets the title of the hostile captor himself. This general rule is applied, without exception, to personal property or real, and is called the principle of uti possidetis.”
@129 think/voice
Jun 13th, 2015 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Two Canadians...both sycophants, both from the same area of Canada, both have fcuk all to do with the Falklands or South America...both supporting each other”
A littles irritated, “Avoiceofthink”?
Too bad for you that it's not up to you who can comment on the Falklands, LOL !!
BTW,
One of us has actually been to the Falklands, unlike you, and one of us has been to South America, unlike the buffoon of Dunoon, unless of course you are going to insist that the “Think” persona lived in ChewButt...
I see Terry is mopping the floor with you, AGAIN!!
What a good day...
:-D
Chuckle.
@131 Troy
Jun 13th, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, a case of pseudologia fantastica, me Thinks.
Yet I still have to live in the shameful indignity of being the humble proprietor of a company that has manufactured and installed ASME reactors on four continents (this fall it will be five, btw). If only I had been allowed to stay in school, I might not be wasting my time explaining proper grammatical structure and legal connotations and interpretations to Norman Bates! Oh the humiliation of it all.
I do Think he'd positively blow a gasket if he ever became aware of your station in life. You'd best keep that to yourself (you don't want blood on your hands). His covetous mind just couldn't quite handle it.
I Think it's a sad waste of resources when certain people are educated beyond their intellectual capabilities.
Maybe you could explain to him that being on the dole since 37 isn't exactly the same as retirement (well, maybe in Scotland).
Actually, I don't Think his place of residence might be so much Scotland, as Fantasyland.
Alas, poor Think! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy.
Anyway, the Salmon are in the strait; heading up HS for some fun today.
D
130
Jun 13th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go again quote 12 and omit 11....
11 is just as relevant as 12....otherwise it wouldn't be there....
132
...and yet you still have to work to earn a crust...
One puppet supporting another....so believable.....
You talk a lot, but don't really say anything....
@133 AVoiceofThink
Jun 13th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you speak for “Think” as well?
The Think persona seems to have run off to hide, and the “voice” persona is extremely defensive, ever since El Thinko was put on the spot.
What's to hide, wee voice??
Wasn't it you who said there was no reason at all, not to meet in Glasgow??
You felt free to offer up a 'friendly invitation', but now denigrate Derke for doing exactly the same thing.
So simple for “Think” to agree, and say,“look, it's really me”
Nawww, not possible, and now you are scared.
Have a nice weekend, faker.
:-)
Derke Blake is a fake and I was merely warning Mr. Think not to fall for his bullshit...
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...and your bullshit...
@135 wee man
Jun 13th, 2015 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0weak...
Yeah, we know you and “Think” have a 'special relationship'.
Just one more indicator- your very own “sycophancy” towards “Mr. Think” - methinks you gave the game away, you'd never fawn over another poster.
You must be one and the same!
Really, you are so feebly useless at dissembling- you're as transparent as Tobi is, with his multiple personas.
Tell me, why doesn't persona El Thinko answer for himself?
Why does “voice” go to the trouble to defend “Think”?
Too much 'risk' for Think, is it?
RIP - Commander DoD, “Dove over Dover”
RIP - “Surfer”
RIP - “Think”
Good night, puppet trolls
133 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 14th, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0No I didn't I saved it for the coup de grâce, as I knew that you losing the argument would would result in a predictable response. The only time that S.11 was used was on behalf of British claims, not Argentina thus “...Vice-President Marcos Paz opened Congress on 1 May 1866, and in his Message mentioned some old claims for private losses by British citizens: The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled. The wording of that statement is perfectly clear - apart from the question of personal claims for damages, there was no dispute between Argentina and Britain. The Falklands were no longer an issue between the two countries. ...” Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper. Therefore your assertion that “...Argentina's claim was not extinguished....” Is directly refuted by two presidents and one vice-president. As well as the subsequent quiescence between 1850 and 1941, except for one protest in 1888.
@137 Terry
Jun 14th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nice, game set and match...
...awaiting yet another face-saving obfuscation from the “wee man” et al.
snigger
@130 Terence Hill
Jun 14th, 2015 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...the following is all that is relevant to the issue at hand. “ § 12. Principle of uti possidetes. A treaty of peace leaves every thing in the state in which it finds it, etc..”
Good post, and it explains why we no longer have the trolls using the principle of uti possidetes as a supporting argument for Argentina's claim to the Falklands. When pressed they are unable to explain exactly how the principle benefits Argentina's case.
139 downunder
Jun 14th, 2015 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0uti possidetis: the parties to a peace treaties keep the territory they control unless the peace treaty says otherwise
uti possidetis juris: a colony has the same borders as its colonial predecessor when it becomes independent
Two different legal principles.
Argentina claims it inherited the Falklands from Spain under uti possidetis juris when it declared independence in 1816. Which was legally impossible because for Argentina to inherit from Spain, UPJ had to be a fully established rule of international law when Argentina declared independence (which it wasn't ) and, since Spain did not consent to Argentina's independence at the time, it had to place a legal obligation on Spain (which it didn't)
140 dab14763 (#)
Jun 14th, 2015 - 04:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks.
MY ANSWER.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it soposes that only Arg. must propose to take this cause to the I. C. J., then i wonder why the U. K. manifested our country that it would be disposed to accept the cases of the South Georgia and Sandwich to be analized by that institution.
On the other hand, some people continue to say that the population from the islands has right to self determination, when actualy, beyond what the charter from the U. N. determined about that principle, the truth is that public international right doesn't apply it for absolutly all people under any circunstance, then, it's hightly arguable to say that the islanders have right to it.
Respecting what Ban Ki Mon said, when he was asked about this question, in my opinion i think that his answer was contradictory, while it is true that he didn't say in any moment that the U. K. was violating some law, it's also true that he said that this case must be solved with a dialogue between the parts, and he didn't mention absolutly anything about the soposed right of the islanders to self determination.
Finally, i would like to say that some people insist on their too partial and hypocritical lectures about the historic aspects that involve this conflict.
It's true that Argentina didn't claim for long periods, (1850-1880), beside, there were also intervals in our reclamations since 1888 untill 1946, which is a too weak point of our claim. However if some of you were honest, you would recognize that along that period, our country had a very big dependence of Britain, in fact, it was almost a prosperous british colony, where the empire had a huge influence over our economy, then, you don't have to be so smart to realise that the nation wasn't in conditions to claim the . U. K. for our rights.
Anyway, even despite that fact, Britain had the politic will of finding a solution for this conflict in 1968, 1974 and 1980, for all these reasons and more, i have always said that the case has strong and weak aspects for both parts.
142 axel arg
Jun 14th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's too late for Argentina to place the issue before the ICJ because of her negligence in doing so in a timely matter, which the UK already knew, and is why the Islands weren't included in the South Georgia and Sandwich Islands offer of adjudication. The Islanders right to self-determination is an absolute right, as has subsequently been ruled by the ICJ.
“the fact, Britain had the politic will of finding a solution” in no way alters the relative legal merits of the issue.
143
Jun 14th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it's not...show me where it says there is a time limit in International Law, there is no time limit every case is pre-judged then judged on it's merit...
@ 142 axel arg
Jun 14th, 2015 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”However if some of you were honest, you would recognize that along that period, our country had a very big dependence of Britain, in fact, it was almost a prosperous (SIC) british colony, where the empire had a huge influence over our economy, then, you don't have to be so smart to realise that the nation wasn't in conditions to claim the . U. K. for our rights.“
Firstly, you have no rights, there never were any rights, and you were all so stupid that you gave up the prosperity that the British made for you for what, Peronism!
You were stupid then and you are even MORE stupid now and I have no doubt that you will continue on the slippery slope to be the super stupid country of SA until the break up ”which will come within 25 years”.
I bet you have heard that little comment about the Islands, haven't you, because it will come true - FOR YOU!
I have to conclude that as a dog lover I hate and detest replying to you: I imagine it's like what it must be for some cruel argie whipping a puppy, something I have never done in my life, not ever will.
Security service MI6 looks well only in James Bond movies.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has pulled out agents from live operations in “hostile countries” after Russia and China cracked top-secret information contained in files leaked by former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, the Sunday Times reported.
144 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 14th, 2015 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since the most optimistic published view of time constraints, to legally pursue a claim of sovereignty, is fifty years. Since the last official Argentine protest was 20 January 1888, until Peron issued his decree on 24 June 1947, which was not an official Argentine protest. As there has been international legal tribunals available since 1898. The maximum estimated period has been exceeded. So we are left with only two conjectures as too why Argentina has not brought suit. One, she believes she has exceeded any permissible time restraints. Or secondly she believes her claim lacks merit.
So you finally gave up on your ludicrous assertion that “...Argentina's claim was not extinguished....” because of S.11, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, from official Argentine sources.
If there are ever going to be meaningful negotiations, they'll have to be between the Argentines and the Falklanders, probably with the UK present. I doubt whether it´ll happen before Argentina changes its constitution re the “Malvinas”.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Old news, El stupido.
Jun 14th, 2015 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I notice you don't provide the link.
You really are, the stupidest and laziest troll on MP
”Britain has pulled out agents from live operations in “hostile countries”
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch out for the ones still in BA, with huge Bog brush moustaches and dab hands at burning tyres........
144 AVoiceofThink
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you're back... ?
I see you're still avoiding the awkward questions @134, and 136 !!
It's a good thing you 'warned' “Think”.
That delicate naive flower, has run away to safety.
How's your weekend?
Delightfully warm here, without being oppressive.
You should get out more, being indoors is making you sullen.
Cheers,
Troy
@145 ChrisR,
Jun 14th, 2015 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Excellent post.
l most wholeheartedly agree.
Deep down, inside of them, l bet that they really miss us & the prosperity that we brought them!
Of course they would never admit it, would you, Hepatia, Marcos, Axel etc.
Ungrateful whelps!
147
Jun 14th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's to give up...? You quote principles of International Law, but omit the parts that disagree....and that is a fact because I have shown the parts you omit...
Instead you now quote Pepper & Co part of a speech without the link to the actual speech...doubtless you will have omitted relevant sections of that too....
You have gone from a “Plank” in International Law to a “Twig” of an Argentine speech as your proof.....
Some coup de grâce....
Then in the last post I asked you to show me where in International Law there is a fixed time period with no exceptions.....
Guess what...you haven't....all you have is a generalisation that has only been applied to Laws within Nations not International Law...
You can't give me a link as proof because there simply isn't one...
So again you have nothing to prove your point....as per usual...
151
I answered 134 @135...
As for 136
The answer is simple....Think is a pal....
He was the only person that actually welcomed me to this forum from my first post....you ought to remember...you were there....
I don't forget...
149 Troy Tempest
Jun 14th, 2015 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I notice you don't provide the link”
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Google.com
153 Voice, Vestige, Think et al“
Jun 15th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0I quote what I have read that is relevant to issue at hand, as it would be redundant to do otherwise. ”..I have shown the parts you omit...“ which I was able to prove supported my assertion and conversely refuted yours. So you go back to the old ad hominems because you cannot win a debate. But, as you well know the opines of this particular issue do not originate with me. But, are the cited opinions of at least six experts of international law. Whereas, you are just a lonely little petunia in the opinions of international law, as all I've seen asserted by you on this issue, is your own personal, unqualified view. With not one neutral expert have you been able to produce who agrees with you. Since I have never claimed ”...in International Law there is a fixed time period...” I am under no obligation to prove a proposition I have never supported.
153 think/voice
Jun 15th, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0”As for 136
The answer is simple....Think is a pal....
He was the only person that actually welcomed me to this forum from my first post....you ought to remember...you were there....
I don't forget...'
yeah... didnt escape my notice, either - quite telling...
Like I said...no links....;-))))
Jun 15th, 2015 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW
“If nothing be said about the conquered country or places, they remain with the conqueror, and his title cannot afterwards be called in question...”
International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872....CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
“ A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war.”
International law; or, Rules regulating the intercourse ... . Halleck, H. W. (Henry Wager), 1815-1872....CHAPTER XXXIV, TREATIES OF PEACE.
Yup Terry that really supports your assertion.............Not....
@153 AVoiceofThink
Jun 15th, 2015 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Think is a pal....
He was the only person that actually welcomed me to this forum from my first post.”
Yup, wee voice, that really supports your assertions.............Not....
:-)
157 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 15th, 2015 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quoting the views of international law is a pointless exercise unless unless they support your assertion. “A treaty of peace does not extinguish claims unconnected with the cause of the war.” You're attempting resurrect your defeated notion “..Argentina's claim was not extinguished..” as Argentine statements show the only claims were British. Which is also directly refuted by two presidents and one vice-president. As well as the subsequent acquiescence between 1850 and 1947, except for one protest in 1888. '...In his Message to the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1869 President Domingo Sarmiento expressed satisfaction at the state of Argentina's foreign relations': “The state of our foreign relations fulfils the aspirations of the country. Nothing is claimed from us by other nations; we have nothing to ask of them except that they will persevere in manifesting their sympathies, with which both Governments and peoples have honoured the Republic, both for its progress and its spirit of fairness..“ ...in his Message at the opening of the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1865, President Bartolome Mitre said that Argentina had scrupulously fulfilled undertakings with Britain and France, so “there was nothing to prevent the consolidation of friendly relations between this country and those Governments...”...Vice-President Marcos Paz opened Congress on 1 May 1866, and in his Message mentioned some old claims for private losses by British citizens: “The British Government has accepted the President of the Republic of Chile as arbitrator in the reclamation pending with the Argentine Republic, for damages suffered by English subjects in 1845. This question, which is the only one between us and the British nation, has not yet been settled....”' Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper. So where is the evidence of this 'unextinguished claim,' other than your say so, as there are no others?
Getting it wrong: the real history of the Malvinas by paid historians Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@160 Marcos A.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are a precious wit... :-D
@ 160 Marquitos Alejandrito
Jun 15th, 2015 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you aware that Messrs Pascoe and Pepper, in the preparation for their “obra maestro”, were allowed access to Argentine official archives in Buenos Aires? Much of the facts in The Real History of the Falklands(Malvinas) is derived from those archives.
@160 Marcos A,
Jun 15th, 2015 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just because you feel that you would like to own the Falklands , doesn't mean that you should be given them.
Argentina's ridiculous“claims”have been proved to be made-up lies & you know it.
We are not going to weaken & let you have what is not yours, so you can stop hoping for a miracle.
lnstead you should concentrate on fixing up your own country & make it the showcase of South America, as it could be if you Argentines really cared for your land.
You have NEVER owned the Falklands & NEVER will.
Re:Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper. Even the authors declare their bias thus ”..The Argentine claim...those statements, like Argentine books, leaflets, and letters....contain many important omissions and some extremely serious historical errors. This booklet addresses the most serious of those omissions and errors, and briefly recounts the true history of the Falkland Islands and the Falklands dispute. It is a highly condensed version of a detailed (1,000-page) study of the subject,...” Whatever its value may be, it's opponents have been unable to refute it's accuracy.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@164
Jun 15th, 2015 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just make inane remarks such as “Getting it wrong: the real history of the Malvinas by paid historians Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper”
@165 Gordo1
Jun 15th, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...or like Axel Aaarrgh, they keep coming back, monotonously repeating the same statement over and over again.... Axel and his “investigations” and “analising”, voice and HIS analising over his opinion of International Law, just as Hepatia squawks about “returning” the Malvinas in 25 years... laughable nonsense!!
166
Jun 15th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right they keep coming back with the same old quotes from the Falklands Bible...Peter Pepper Picked a Peck of Pickled Pascoe
Biased Govt. paid publication by a couple of nobodies....
167 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 15th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, like I previously stated, your right “nobodies” has been has been able to point any factual inaccuracies. So it's factual component stands as unrefuted truth.
Uh uh… Voicy has juzt staggered back from the Combined Services half pissed again..expect the wailing of the pipes shortly as he laments his stranding in the dismal surroundings of Dunoon :-))))
Jun 15th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0168
Jun 15th, 2015 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Terry...I'm struggling to understand the English in your last post...I'm going to have to guess, nevertheless I think I should give you a supply of '''''''''''''''''''''''' and a supply eeeeeeeeeeee for future posts.....
This is where to put them.....You're......;-)))))
(91) Mr. Derke Blake
Jun 15th, 2015 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have stated previously on this site... :
“I’m not here to make friends or fans or whatever... I’m here because I’m pissed off with some British common thieves that “Think” they can come down here, steal what they want and then ridiculize us for acting in response…………”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/30/wikileaks-assange-declines-to-comply-police-order-and-remains-at-ecuadorean-embassy#comment141911
Anyhow...., your invitation was very much appreciated by this Patagonian, that never doubted about the sincerity of your opinions and responded in kind...
May you have a pleasant stay in my Patagonia...
Yours, El Think.
(92) Mr. Voice
You will have to excuse my prolonged absence but I have been quite busy “tending the fences” of a very charming (and persistent) Chubutean Rancherette with a lot of miles of fences to tend...
Please, don't tell lsolde though... She's kind of the jealous type... ;-)
(160) Marcos Alejandro
You say...:
“Getting it wrong: the real history of the Malvinas by paid historians Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper.”
.......... Please allow me a mayor correction on your above...; Neither Mr. Pascoe nor Mr. Pepper are historians...
171 Mr. Think
Jun 15th, 2015 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No Problem, this particular fort is easily held....you haven't missed much...apart from Mr. Geoff Ward is quite poorly....;-(
170 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 15th, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have noticed that you have difficulty with any truthful statements that you're unable to rebut, so that is no surprise, as it is a common occurrence that you struggle when responding to my posts.
Re:171 and 172, your talking to yourself again, ROTFLMFAO.
173
Jun 15th, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“your talking to yourself again, ROTFLMFAO.”
I thought I gave you enough apostrophes and e's to solve the “Your” problem...
Oh dear....;-))))
171 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 15th, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Pascoe nor Mr. Pepper are historians...” According to these sites they are historians https://www.facebook.com/gettingitright1850, https://www.facebook.com/gettingitright1850, https://www.facebook.com/gettingitright1850, So please offer something more than your humble opinion, like verifiable facts. Unless you enjoy shooting from the hip and sustaining the inevitable foot injury.
Voice = Think
Jun 15th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tiene más mentiras que el truco.
Es lo que hay. Triste.
Adios
171, 172 AVoiceofThink
Jun 15th, 2015 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a performance!!!
It's the talking pantomime horse again!!
Which one of you is more suited to be the ass ??!!
s usual, given a chance to verify identities, and after all the bluster - think voice scuttles off, meekly, into hiding... !!
Thus endeth the Chubut Charade... !!
That is sooo...funny Derke Blake the fake snubbed....;-)))))
Jun 15th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dame Dover/ Thinkee
Jun 15th, 2015 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no more lives in Argentina than Enrique does!!
As we've all said, all along - he's a socialist fake, who doesn't have to live under the K regime.
There is nobody there, to snub anyone.
“Think” could put years of speculation and ridicule, to rest, and boost his credibility enormously, by just showing up.
No, there ain't no “Think” in Patagonia - better chance of running into Nostrils...
One thing you can be sure of with Think.
Jun 15th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is a very slippery customer who wouldn't know how to lie straight in bed.
Much like a double negative, if Think says its so then you can be sure that its not so.
Also, although he tries to disguise it- he hates us Britons with a passion.
And will side with ANYONE who opposes/dislikes us.
Even if his new“allies”are the most despicable people on earth.
lf they don't like us Anglos, then they are Think's new friends.
This of course, is my personal opinion/feeling.
Despicable....?
Jun 15th, 2015 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did she mean me...?
Despicable Me...?
Where are my Minions...
181 AVoiceofThink,
Jun 16th, 2015 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Despicable, yes that's you, but YOU are also Think, and others - the simple minimal-effort, persona constructs that stop in to “photo-bomb” every thread with insults, and the current or laboriously-repeated, propaganda of Argieland.
Tiresome, pedantic, and fanciful, but getting to be outright laughable now.
Think and voice, the pantomime horse, as silly as Dame Dover!!
@ 180 Isolde
Jun 16th, 2015 - 02:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
Yes, I regrettably recognize that now. A Gregor MacGregor of insignificant stature.
Or to take a slightly more accurate and pedestrian bent; Cliff Clavin.
(“Hello in there Cliff. Tell me, what color is the sky in your world?”)
To each their own; hope he's happy, as I do everyone. A conscience is not for everyone.
Lo mejor es ser franco.
Decepcionado.
I think it's time to take a holiday from MP. Have a pleasant evening Isolde.
D
@180 Isolde
Jun 16th, 2015 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Also, although he tries to disguise it- he hates us Britons with a passion”
With respect, Isolde, I think you painting too broad a stroke.
With regard to statements from
- “Think”, “voice”, “Commander DoD”, of the Pantomime Players, I would say the English are the focus of the hatred, but they do like to play the Scots and English off of each other.
That being said, any Falkland Islander appears to be an object of disdain, Chilean or Anglo!
171 Think
Jun 16th, 2015 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“......... Please allow me a mayor correction on your above...; Neither Mr. Pascoe nor Mr. Pepper are historians...
By all means, but what should we call them?
In Malvinas they are consider ”historians“, in Merco they treat them like prophets , is clear to me that they are funded as this”yorugua“ site.
”In this detailed work, historians Dr. Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper ...
https://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/06/03/false-falklands-history-at-the-united-nations-how-argentina-misled-the-un-in-1964-and-still-does/
Someone doesn't have to be a historian to see the truth.
Jun 16th, 2015 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Simpletons!
183
Jun 16th, 2015 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Blake the Fake...foiled and in a huff...I feel for you....;-)))
184
“off of each other”....Off of...how American of you...
You can switch on the UK English Dictionary and spell check, but it won't detect the Yankee diction....;-)))
@187 AVoiceofThink/Dame Dover
Jun 16th, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, the old “voice” ploy,
when you can't effectively deny arguments that you're a fake using multiple personas,
you use personal slights to distract.
Face it, Panto Horse,
You have zero credibility, just a miserable 'coulda been'
Pathetic that you' ve not aspired to anything beyond this sad daily routine.
Yep, laughing at you
:-D
188
Jun 16th, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't slag yourself off...according to Chicureo...you are me....
I going to slap myself across the face to teach you a lesson...
Which of course means Skip didn't meet me, so he is my puppet too...
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/06/16/magna-carta-800th-anniversary-pm-david-cameron-s-speech#comment402062
181) Mr. Voice
Jun 16th, 2015 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I warned you at (171) that she was the jealous type, didn't I...?... ;-)
(185) Marcos Alejandro
As writing stories does NOT amount to be historians...., I Think I will continue to call them Mr. Pascoe and Mr. Pepper..., both members and pecuniarily remunerated collaborators of the Falkland Islands Association, a Charitable Interest Organization solely dedicated to the Defence of Traditional British Colonial Values....
http://fiassociation.com/
190 Mr. Think
Jun 16th, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I was astonished...that's the first time she has attacked me in a despicable manner...
What did I do...?
(191) Mr. Voice
Jun 16th, 2015 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dunno really...., but these Colonial lasses get quite edgy when lovelorn or confronted with divergent opinions...
190 Voice, Vestige, Think et al
Jun 16th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As writing stories does NOT amount to be historians....” Sorry to interrupt your latest episode of 'sock puppetry' but baseless and amoral maligning of those that are not here to defend themselves, is cowardly to say the least. The fact that you are unable to refute any part of their thesis is not a sufficient justification. They at least where able to amass the the historical evidence to support their case, while a lazy troll like you is so intellectually dishonest that all you can engage in is a fallacy of an argumenta ad hominem. Incidentally, you can't even get their credentials correct it's Dr Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper.
190 Think
Jun 16th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice way to describe these two paid employees of the fig, looks like some of his followers read MercoP...
Terence
Jun 16th, 2015 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When they can't refute what they write then they attempt to character assassinate.
Doesn't change what they wrote.
No Argentinean has ever refuted the truth about the Falkland Islands. They just fall back on comfortable myths about what once happened and how the future is all Argentine for the Islanders.
But it is 2015 and that Argentine future has still yet to arrive. It seems never to arrive.
Actions and treaties from the 19th century mean nothing when placed against the right to self determination. A right that has never been removed from any current territory listed by the UN as needing decolonisation.
All the rest is just...... fluff.
@195
Jun 16th, 2015 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No Argentinean has ever refuted the truth about the Falkland Islands. They just fall back on comfortable myths about what once happened and how the future is all Argentine for the Islanders. ”
Yes-a claim based on theoretical occupation of less than Britain's (during 1765-1774-never mind the rest), at the same time as sticking their heads in the sand, ignoring the British historical ties/ claim with the Falklands, (quite apart from self determination), will never add up.
I am amused at how Terence Hill follows his arguments with evidence, even if it is not agreed with-using published legal opinion, whilst his opponents fail to find contradictory rulings to back up their side,(if they had a real argument they would be able to do so) and instead the Malvanistas rely on what anybody here can spout=opinion.
Argentina's case would be more solid if they confronted contradictions to their claims (instead of pretending they don't exist) with others and hence your point is valid:
“But it is 2015 and that Argentine future has still yet to arrive. It seems never to arrive. ”
“Actions and treaties from the 19th century mean nothing when placed against the right to self determination. A right that has never been removed from any current territory listed by the UN as needing decolonisation.”
It seems unfathomable to me that Argentina cannot even understand that the wording of the defunct res 2065 (quoted ad nauseum) does not even back up their case and the sub-educational morons on the C24 don't appear to be familiar with UN records or 2065 either!
@190 Think & 191 Voice,
Jun 16th, 2015 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or is it 190 Voice & 191 Think,
Or is it 190 & 191 Think/Voice
Or……who cares?
Don't flatter yourself/selves(?).
l guess l could be jealous of certain things,
My country,
My man,
My children,
My kitchen,
Our farms, etc etc etc.
But l could never be jealous of you pair(if you are a pair)of cretins.
Console yourselves, poor things.
“When they can't refute what they write then they attempt to character assassinate. ”
Jun 16th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When your main argument is false, irrelevant, and undermined by your own Foreign Minister, and you yourself can't even grasp simple chronology (@171) there's not a lot left you can do.
197 Squatter...
Jun 16th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you are now down to calling me names, because you are too stupid to be able to tell the difference between two different people..that's fine...you can can now leave the ranks of folk I'm civil to and join the idiots that exist to be abused in kind...
Who gives a flying fcuk what you are or are not jealous of....
Get over yourself...
Curious sock puppets receive free cookies for their curiosity allegedly compliments from the Chilean Signal Corps...
Jun 16th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0en.mercopress.com/2015/06/16/argentina-s-may-official-inflation-1-or-half-that-claimed-by-private-consultants#comment402196. @36
There is only one cookie on this site at the moment....
Jun 16th, 2015 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's flipped I tell you...flipped...
#201
Jun 17th, 2015 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Free special delicious cookies are offered only at a special site with pretty flags. They go down effortlessly, but apparently very hard to eliminate. Naughty sock puppets like Hansel and Gretel found a similar house made of sweets...
I think it's about time to leave this naive delusional nutcase to ramble on to himself content in his idiocy...spreading his memes throughout the threads...politely ignored with sympathetic sighs....
Jun 17th, 2015 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the breakdown is complete....
RIP Chicureo...
#203 José
Jun 17th, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0What ever you do, don't pay any attention to those blabber mouth Germans over at http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/nsa-trojaner-kaspersky-enttarnt-regin-a-1015222.html
Mom can always buy you a new computer for Christmas...
Funny thing, a web page that no one ever really visits, gets 34 visits, of which several were repeated by the same IP...
Well, IP checks are not always helpful if proxy IPs are used.
Jun 17th, 2015 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0MP won't care too much as they want the traffic - more visits = more advertising revenue.
Probably best to concentrate on debating as collectively they are pretty poor at that.
@199 Think's voice,
Jun 17th, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have such a thin skinned ego. And arrogant, too.
Definitely Argentine traits.
Who cares what classification you put people in?
Thats you just being haughty.
lt doesn't matter whether you are two people or not.
lf two then you are both tarred with the same brush.
lf you really were a Scot, you would have no reason to support the Argentines in their ridiculous“claims”on the Falklands & you would never call a Falklander a squatter.
ergo, you are an arrant traitor or you are an Argentine or you really are M.Think.
Anyway its lunch time & l couldn't be vexed by you.
You may go.
#205 Elaine
Jun 17th, 2015 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, however most people don't use a high “Anonymity” proxy.
There are ways however of going through a normal anonymous proxy as well as a secured router.
207
Jun 17th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For goodness sake...I've been going easy on you because you are Mr.Think's pal...
Are you on dinosaur technology..?
I take it you don't have or use an I phone 6 for posting...
Every router is used by BT as a Wi Fi hot spot...
As you move the IP address changes to whatever IP address your I Phone 6 has connected to...
You can tell it not to connect to a specific one...which it would automatically....
I could flood your Naval site with a couple of dozen IP address by walking down the road....
#208 José
Jun 17th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually hacking an iPhone is a piece of cake. Secured cell phones are now required due to “false cell phone towers” that easily access information. The entire Chilean military has currently switching over starting in 2017 with a contract to to use a Brazilian made secure “Granite” encrypted Android device that should be fairly secure.
Tablets and and laptops can actually be accessed via Wifi, as well as sometimes Bluetooth. (At least, that is what I'm told.)
The dinosaur I'm afraid is yourself. You should have never visited to a military site as they all carefully monitor activity. Clicking to a rarely visited page, was unwise. The “Charlie” flag, or C” for Chicureo was viewed two times during the entire month of May. (At least my conjecture.)
The way things work is like cancer. At first, the few pixels of code that are able to penetrate the outer defenses (Hopefully you used a “Anonymity” proxy instead of an Anonymous Proxy) and perhaps break though a very secure routed, the software will then collect basic data for a security siege program to break through your anti-virus software and plunder information. It's called “seeing through to he soul” and is alleged to have been developed by the Israelis in their cyber war with Iran. (Well, that's the wild rumor.)
In the meantime, the minimal information collected about your real unique IP which supposedly you thought was masked, is queried to third party services that collect the tiniest bread crumbs that you leave when you visit sites that sell their visitor data.
I know, at this stage, you don't believe anything, and that's perfectly ok. Personally, I don't care because it's all hypothetical, and in theory you are safe. Anyway these malicious worms take time.
Even clear your cookie file if it makes you feel better. And those folks over at Der Speigel, forget about them.
Many international airports routinely scan cell phones and laptops of arriving passengers without permission.
You haven't got a scoobies of what you are talking about...
Jun 17th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't even know the difference between a static and a dynamic IP address...
At this moment I could use one of five different IP addresses...
...but why would I bother...everyone knows where I am....I tell them...
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