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Timerman waters down Mercosur/EU agreement expectations
Argentine Foreign minister Hector Timerman affirmed that a trade deal would not be signed between Mercosur and the European Union (EU) in the second summit of the Community of Latin American States (CELAC) and the European body, which is taking place in the Belgian city of Brussels. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesArgentina will do everything possible to ensure that the agreement that we make with the EU, if we make one, especially benefits the people
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0And CFK become the next president of the EU,
sounds fair to me,
as long as we are no longer there.
Distraction.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill: Pay your debts.
@2
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God you are boring!
3. LOL
Jun 11th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good stance Timerman. If the EU wants to force countries to help them by opening their borders, it has to look elsewhere.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gone are the times they could send canon boats to obtain whatever they wanted.
Solve your crisis by cracking down on corrupt speculative practices and come back to productive investments. Help the EU less developed countries instead of attempting to extract from them the last drop of blood.
That would work better for the EU and the world.
@5 Free trade agreements typically benefit both parties involved. Argentina could really use the increase in commercial activity. Though some people like yourself have never witnessed the effects of trade restrictions such as high prices, and the lack of access to a wide variety of goods, even medicine.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It must be fun to believe propaganda at a safe distance. It's almost like entertaining the notion that mystical creatures existed during the medieval ages. You weren't there, so you wouldn't know.
6. Good one.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A new codicil to any agreement. Timerman must be shot by machine gun fire. Slowly. 20 minutes (minimum) on the groin. After i t's been exposed to public view to check whether there's anything there. Slow fire through the pigeon chest. Blow the head apart. More slowly. Make the turd suffer.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#8 Conqueror
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even if it's a joke, this is disgusting writing that only shows the writer's intellectual level--not very high.
And this character likely professes to be a product of civilization.
Shame.
No one is forcing a trade agreement. Argentina can't possibly compete so should stay out of it. However, they should not be against their neighbours enjoying the profits of a mutually beneficial trade agreement.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, what has Argentina got to offer the EU?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 Until we have a competitive industry NOT derived from agriculture I don't see how free trade can benefit us. The agriculture sector reached its limits in the 1930s and technological improvements and commodity prices didn't keep up with economic growth in the rest of the world, particularly industrialized countries.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current trade restrictions are fundamentally a product of the fact agricultural production can't produce enough to supply our current demand. CFK just dealt with the problem in the wrong way.
CFk deals with all problems in the best possible way for her kiciloff, Rojkes Aperovich, Timerman. At least they will be super wealthy and hopefully some of it trickles down to catholic argentines.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@5 Enrique Massot
Jun 11th, 2015 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“the EU less developed countries” get large amounts of money, by any standards, from the EU.
No one is going to even try and force anyone into anything, you are 100 years behind the times. Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, N. Korea and anyone else are completely free to follow their own paths.
The EU and the rest of the world are inevitably going to continue with more and more trade agreements, shit, even mainland China and Taiwan have got one and soon USA and Vietnam.
@ 12 MagnusMaster
Your industry will not become competitive until it is open to foreign investment and technology.
When VW bought Skoda in the Czech Republic, they invested heavily and now build a lot more, much higher priced, cars than Skoda ever did or could ever have done.
All the Bolivarian Socialist Countries +Argentina and Brazil are devolving. They're not competitive and never will be.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few of them have good land or Oil so the EARTH provides for their subsistence.
Anything beyond that is beyond their capabilities.
D E V O L V I N G
While the rest of the world moves on.
Good riddance to bad rubbish
The EU must be desperate , if it wants to trade with you lot,
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least we now know where Zippy disappeared to, not sure the glasses suit him. http://bodecott.typepad.com/.a/6a0133f3dde2c9970b015432dfbb41970c-800wi
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember me saying Argentina was turning the Pampas into a dessert.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Despite record soybean harvest, the loss of profitability in the field by the low prices of its products, the tax burden and increasingly overvalued exchange rate hit harder in the sale of key inputs to produce. Between January and May last, fertilizer shipments of large companies in the industry fell 17.5% from the same period last year.
20% more planing and 17% less fertilizer.
Shouldn't be too long now before the soil is all sand.
:)
He looks really geeky with those glasses.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only is the EU that is desperate. It is the whole West! United States is even more desperate.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lula 2018
Zico 2015
What was the name of the little puppet in “Thunderbirds” who always wore a white coat and had the same geeky glasses to make him look intelligent, 'Brains' was it?
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well, they didn't work for him and they certainly confirm what we all know about Gollum: he's an argie idiot of the first order, nothing second class about that. :o)
Bras=Toby
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mark my words
I'm rarely wrong.
You are wrong, Yankee.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am Brazilian, the Niobium Owner!
23. and Toby is from Mendoza.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah sure.
Hows the drought going? Got Dengue yet?
http://www.healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/dengue-epidemic-brazil-51315
Hospitals in São Paulo have been overburdened with the large number of Dengue cases. Therefore, “Dengue tents” have been set up to treat patients in high-risk areas within the city
:)
Dude you're more out that banana peel.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hF-P1RJyhk&index=24&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A
I'm Polish from the old Prussia. Brazilian heart and passion of Curitiba!
25. I'm sorry.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm also shocked that you have internet there.
Its too bad your grandfather chose Brazil over the USA is that where your retardation comes from?
Argentina has not nor ever has had any intention of signing a trade agreement with the EU. When it saw that the other three members wished to do it alone and leave Argentina outwith any further negotiations she softened her attitude so that she could continue to throw spanners in the workings of any future negotiations.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think it was a north-American from Alabama that brought him here. They were called Confederates and their women were bitches. Very tasty my grandfather said.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUVzu6dwRY&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=50
@14 We should be open to productive foreign investment (not speculative capitals) but unless we develop our own technology, it is useless.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@15 So you are saying we are inferior? If we are human beigns, then we should be able to develop like you.
28.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like there's a lot of slums in Curitaba. Itatiaia village
Morro Diadema
Morro Sabara
Vila Porto Belo
Oath of the hill
Set Ilha Bela
Vila Augusta
Vila Barigui
Vila Conquest
Mexico 70 (Houses Christ the King)
Houses Del Rey
Favela Pantanal
Vila Nova
Vila Torres
Louse Morro
Favela in Pottery
Hope Town
Favela Parolin
Vila Santa Terezinha
Vila Trinity
Vila Autódromo
Garden Acropolis
Favela Cardboard
Holy Land
Icarai village
Audi village
Village Pompeii
Borsatto village
Pluma village
Favela in Futurama
Vila Formosa
Damasio village
Thalia Garden
Favela Capotão
Vila Palmeira
Caiuá village
String village
Arouca Morro
Napoli garden
Garden Magdalene
Jardim Carvalho
Half Moon
Jardim Esmeralda
Vila Santo Antonio
Order From Garden
Vila Maria
Happy Village
Industrial Park
Garden Grandma Luiza
Ludovica garden
Vila Mauá
Sun Garden Address
Garden Our Lady of Grace
Vila Chords
Marajó village
Vila Star
Garden Progress
Garden Independence
Vila Santa Amelia
Itamarati village
Gabineto garden
Favela Bairro Alto
Vila Sao Fernando
Vila Resistencia
Vila Rose
Vila Nossa Senhora Aparecida
Barigui Station
Vila Vera Cruz
Vila City of God
Vila Santa Helena
Garden Oswaldo Cruz
Morro do Carlinhos
Morro do Laudelino
Morro La Salle
Favela Cotolengo
Favela Worker
Locksmiths village
Santo Amaro garden
Savoy Gardens
Pellanda garden
Jardim Campo Bello
Chapel Garden
Guapore garden
Centennial Village
Orange Garden
Piratini village
Vila 30 De Agosto
Saquarema village
Favela Do Xapinhal
Vila Santa Joana
Vila Santa Inês
Kamyr village
Favela CEASA
Vila Machado
Vila Barracks
Vila Lucas
Houses Fights
Metropolitan Region of Curitiba [ edit | edit source ]
Bright Garden - (Fazenda Rio Grande)
Guaraituba - (Colombo)
Vila Zumbi - (Colombo)
Monte Castelo - (Colombo)
Vila Union - (Almirante Tamandaré)
From October 21 - (Araucaria)
Guaritubinha - (Piraquara)
Vila Vera Cruz - (Fazenda Rio Grande)
Canoa Quebrada - (Araucaria)
Hole From slum - (São José Dos Pinhais)
Vila Renaut - (São José Dos Pinhais)
Lamenha G
@12 The tax burden also has to be reduced. It's another factor that is causing high commodity prices. We have mining, not to mention the growing technology sector. If we had better access to tools produced abroad it could be used to produce more goods.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The dollar restrictions have to go as well, and security has to be established so tourism can grow again. The markets will regulate themselves. Trying to establish a positive trade balance through tariffs and restrictions has been tried and it failed every single time.
As much as I like to entertain these notions in Argentina, the majority of the population doesn't vote accordingly. That's why I left.
The Alabama whores were very fertile!
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beautiful, beautiful, blue eyes and could stand all the holes!
29. Magnus, Argentinians are no more inferior than Bolivians, Venezuelans, Zimbawanian or North Koreans.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you all have the same chance of succeeding.
That is no chance at all.
31. There are lot so solutions that could make Argentina grow. These basic market principals have been around and PROVEN to be successful for many many years. Argentinians just choose not to implement them.
32. You're disgusting Toby and You're not fooling anyone.
@33 Yankee
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're just an idiot, do not worry.
@25 brasshole
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usually the Polish come from Poland, but in your case I suppose, anything is possible... ..and btw, Prussia ceased to exist over 80 years ago...Ignorance at it's best....... I mean, you think that Russians are Anglo-Saxons, don't you ?
@28 brasshole, again....
so your grandfather was a cannibal, was he ? no wonder you are so fucked-up......
@32
brasshole...this is getting boring...
Well, at least one thing you have in common with the so-called “Alabama whores”, you also take it up all your holes.....
@33 yb
don't give so much credit to the brasshole.......even Tobi is not as low as he is....
By his remarks, he probably has absolutely nothing at all to do with “old Prussia” - which he wished he did - but more likely is the descendent of a slave that an ex-Conferderate soldier brought with him to Brazil, soon after the end of the Civil War.....quite a few of the ex-Confederate soldiers came to Brazil and settled in an interior of the State of Sao Paulo, called Santa Barbara d'Oeste, where many thousands of their descendents still live.
rotting roadkill is doomed.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL.
The Impossible Mission Fund just walked out on Greece.
Any chance they're going to help rotting roadkill?
HELL NO! LOL.
Not much polish on the brasshole. Probabably bruised black and Prussian blue from over activity.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31 Good luck reducing the tax burden. I would like it as well but it's not going to happen.
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 “Magnus, Argentinians are no more inferior than Bolivians, Venezuelans, Zimbawanian or North Koreans.
and you all have the same chance of succeeding.
That is no chance at all.”
Thanks for admitting that you think we are inferior subhumans. No surprise here, that's what all your kind, including the elites ruling the world, thinks.
@6
Jun 11th, 2015 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you have to use the word “typically”?
Is it because you know free trade would NOT benefit Argentina?
Any “increase” in commercial activity would be immediately destroyed by the unfair trade practices of the EUians, with their HUNDREDS of BILLIONS in subsidies masking what are in fact trade tariffs without actually calling them so.
Within a year all of the Argentine economy would be destroyed with unemployment soaring to 65%. Now you tell me who in the country would be able to take advantage of the “variety of products” and “medicines” you talk about.
It sounds like a nice idea, free trade, but only when you have fair partners. Are the EUians “fair”? or even “partners”?
Read history and you will get your answer.
25
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pomeranian....
Pomeranian - small and yappy, with ridiculous hair.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 03:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think its funny how the Stupid Rgs on this board can just ignore historical facts and bluntly say something doesn't work even when you can point to the country right next door to show you it does work.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Magnus, Yes Argentinians are inferior. There does that make you feel better. Sheesh you're a blockhead. No wonder your country is failing.
Very stupid people.
@9. It wasn't a joke. Where does timerprat get off thinking he can speak for an entire group of countries? Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay all say they are ready. Timerprat says no. Jumped up little twat. Only way to stop him opening his gob. Although I'm tempted by a flight halfway across the River Plate.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0They think they rule the world..
Jun 12th, 2015 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 yankeeboy (#)
Jun 12th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:07 am
Sorry yankeeboy, but I must disagree with you over your incredible generalisation saying ...“Yes Argentinians are inferior.”...
This is just not true, there are an enormous number of my compatriots who are definitely far superior, both morally and intellectually, to many of your compatriots.
At the moment we are ruled by a mafia type government that has been kept in power by creating a huge amount of voters who are dependent on them (the K thugs) for their continued existence, but that does not mean that the intellectual average of Argentines in general has dropped, it means that the peronists have metastasised into the Kancer that has led us to the worst economic debacle in our history.
Simon, I was being sarcastic answering Magnus' ridiculous post. He doesn't even realize how racist his post was.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel sorry for the Argentinians that with each successive economic failure lose their life savings and their way of life.
At some point there needs to be a revolution there.
Probably not in any of our lifetimes tho
Many years ago I said an average Argentinian will be living more similar to a Bolivian than to someone from the USA.
and that is definitely the case..
@ 45 Simon68
Jun 12th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree completely, my Argentine neighbours who come over each summer are a case in point: lovely family.
I have to say though that most of these people seem to be giving up on Argentina and coming to Uruguay, but who can blame them?
Chris, The stories you've told about your neighbors are very typical of the upper middle class business owners. My best Arg friend was the oldest of 3 kids. While he was growing up they had maids, cooks, multiple cars, multiple houses, multiple business, he went to private schools and traveled a lot. His Sister who is 3 year younger grew up without any of the companies, most of the cars and property gone and no staff but at least the father could still afford school. She's now a chemist. By the time the youngest was born about a decade between the oldest and they youngest, the father was living on the grandmother's property, no car, no savings and couldn't afford to send him to school, he's now 25 or so with no education, not married, has a kid and is a part time waiter.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That family will never recover.
That's why I say every year, every decade, every generation gets poorer and dumber.
I've seen the proof.
@39 Trolley
Jun 12th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your reaction to Optimus Princeps' remark @ 6, “Free trade agreements typically benefit both parties involved”, really shows what a brainless radical you are - “free trade would NOT benefit Argentina” - this would only be true if you Argies negotiated badly.....by giving you and your countrymen the credit that they are not ALL fools, then one can presume that they would not negotiate, nor sign a trade agreement that was not good for them. The same goes for the other side as well, hence, the 'typically'. There's plenty of history to prove you are wrong, but you choose to only see one side of it.
@ 48 yankeeboy
Jun 12th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I accept everything you post, BUT the generalisation is what stuck in Simon68's craw and he is correct.
There are only 15M Peronists out of 40+M of the population. So it is clear that you cannot be correct, isn't it?
If somebody like Simon68 is upset, then so am I.
You wouldn't like it if you were put into a Yankee Red-neck category, would you?
I do try very hard to avoid generalisations because of alienating people like Simon68: that's all I am saying.
:o)
@39 We aren't talking about Guatemala, and the U.S. isn't going to use Nixon era policies. If you still have the ghost in your head, you should realize that it's 2015. Argentina needs to open up free trade so it can compete economically with the rest of the world, which it can, if the economy was managed properly.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some ambitious people with entrepreneurial ideas that are waiting for more favorable economic conditions to make those things happen.
Unemployment at above 65%? Please tell us where these figures come from. We are already having difficulty getting products, tools for manufacturing, which include medicine. It's already a problem.
You need to interact with the world a little bit. Maybe consider traveling and talking to people face to face instead of trolling a forum.
christine:
Jun 12th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0spot on.
@46 It was you who said we can never succeed, not me.
Jun 12th, 2015 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry if anyone was offended.
@49
Jun 13th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have been stupid in the past, no doubt. Not just stupid, but utterly daft and moronic. We have suffered the consequences.
But in this case Argentina isn't negotiating badly: we are rejecting the proposal outright. As long as Europe refuses to allow free trade of all the products Argentina is strong in producing, then what is there to negotiate?
Europe wants MERCOSUR to drop tariffs on things like cars, electronics, financial services etc. They don't want to drop them on agricultural products, steel, wine, etc. Then WTF do you want Argentina to do? Just say “yes, we drop our tariffs, you keep yours-- we think it's a fair agreement??”
@51
You are naive in trusting the EUians and the NorthAmoans. They are not good people, I really mean that seriously. Just look at their behavior in this forum for ffs!!!
Argentina CANNOT compete. In large part do to our own shortcomings, and no, there are no “ambitious people”. Most of them are gone, and are not returning. Just face the reality, and look at the appalling education system which I have always been consistent in slamming.
Beyond that, Europe and the USA, or even Brazil or Chile really, have no desires to see a prosperous Argentina. For various reasons in various countries, they desire to see the country poorer.
Where do I get the 65% unemployment figure? Well, real unemployment is probably 14%. If you cut all social benefits, unemployment rises at least 10% points, probably closer to 15%. So 30%. Then when you open the economy to free trade from the entire planet you can easily add 10-15% with tons of factories, farmers, and services going bankrupt. 40-45%. Then that unemployment would collapse consumption in the economy, causing massive layoffs in restaurants, tourism, retail, etc. That would add 10-15%. So at least 50-55% unemployment is an easy result of free trade.
That would surely be the conditions for the economy to grow, right? Europe surely has proven it!
I think its funny that uneducated cretins like Toby can ignore historical facts and the current state of countries development to advance a failed agenda.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Toby, look around and show me 5 countries that's been aligned with the USA economic policies that is not doing well.
Most of them are waaaaay better off then they were a decade ago.
It is and always has been the goal of the USA to help a country out of poverty so that they are able to buy our goods.
Prove me wrong or STFU.
@54 Trolley,
Jun 13th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment “But in this case Argentina isn't negotiating badly: we are rejecting the proposal outright ”, more or less summarizes what I've been telling you ; “negotiating” is definitely not sitting down at a table and imposing your conditions without listening to the other side's proposal....it's about mutually giving concessions and meeting somewhere in between . But if you refuse to sit down and talk...that's too bad.
Your other remark “Beyond that, Europe and the USA, or even Brazil or Chile really, have no desires to see a prosperous Argentina”, couldn't be further from reality. The rabid nationalists in Argentina may think that, but the other countries would prefer Argentina to be prosperous, even if only to become a good, reliable trading partner......a poor country is a lousy partner ...the nearest example to this, has been the Mercosur over the last 10, 15 years - Brazil and Argentina used to have a healthy two-way trade, especially with regards to white products and the automotive industry....all extensively discussed and the rules agreed to by the two countries ; then, the moment something did not please Argentina, they wanted to re-negotiate...in other words, after the trade agreement was signed, Argentina would abide by the rules - they had negotiated and agreed to - only as long as the result favoured them; I worked for many years in foreign trade and logistics, and the surprises, such as Argentina's unilateral decisions to ignore the rules, and the problems this caused to logistics, were enormous. As 'time is money', people on both sides of the border lost millions, just because one party decided to disrespect the rules and take decisions detrimental to all. In the attempt to keep things working, Brazil ended up giving enormous concessions to Argentina, but it was no use. Today, trade between Arg/Bzl has gone to the dogs. Both countries' loss.
@56 Great analysis Jack.
Jun 13th, 2015 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Jun 14th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are there two lorries nearby with their windshields missing?
Sometimes an article that is worth while reading appears in the NI. And so it is with this one:
Jun 16th, 2015 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-must-take-brazil-seriously-13111
This article apparently first appeared at AS/COA. It echoes a lot of what I often hear from the administration about Brazil.
Hepatia on another thread:
Jun 16th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The article does not give any names or positions of those that these two 'legislators' saw in Washington. My guess is that they did not manage to see anybody in the government. But, if they did then they should be named.”
Hepatia on this thread:
“It echoes a lot of what I often hear from the administration about Brazil”
The comment does not give any names or positions of anyone in the “administration”. My guess is that she doesn't know anybody in the government. But, if she does then they should be named.
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/06/11/timerman-waters-down-mercosur-eu-agreement-expectations#comment401998: One of the points made by the article is how Brazil views Mercosul and how it benefits from it.
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