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UN Decolonization Committee supports Argentina's Falklands/Malvinas claims
The United Nations Decolonization Committee approved on Thursday a new resolution urging the United Kingdom to discuss the Falklands/Malvinas dispute with Argentina, in order to find a peaceful solution to the conflict. The decision came as no surprise since it has become an annual event despite Falklands' representatives demand for C24 to act in support of Non Self Governing Territories. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSame as last year, same as every year. The C24 has rendered itself irrelevant. The resolution of this Committee is just a DRAFT-resolution for the next Committee up, the 4th Committee. They have not let a C24 draft through to the General Assembly since 1988. Will this year be any different? No sign of any change so far.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
If Gollum wants a discussion perhaps he can join Pauly on his forthcoming flight to the Falkland Islands?
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What sort of welcome would they get?
Of course they did. Not only are half the members of the C24 Argentina's friends, they need to perpetuate the myth of NSGTs existing nowadays in order to justify their existence as a committee. They're outlived their original purpose, so now they keep having to dictate to their NSGTs regardless of the wishes of the people there.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same article as last year.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Same decision as last year with the same signatures. What a pathetic bunch they are. If I was messers Rendall and Summers I would not bother going next year, and tell the C24 to stuff their committee up their arse.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, the Falklands Islanders gave speeches in which they refuted all of Argentina's lies. Mike Summers went to the point of going through each lie and stating the truth.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the C24 still demands dialogue? It's clear they're not interested in actually acknowledging the Island's decolonisation.
Since they want dialogue to find a peaceful resolution, I think it's time Argentina chooses which of the two fairest solutions they want:
They can take the case to the ICJ. If their claim is legitimate, they could have sovereignty by the end of the year. If (when?) they lose however, they'd have to revoke all of their claim forever.
Alternatively, they can do the right thing and admit their claim is a lie. That would involve apologising to the UN for wasting their time for so long, publicly dropping their fake claim and the references in their constitution, and removing their opposition to the removal of the Islands from the C24's decolonisation list.
Those are the only options that are fair to all parties involved in this dispute. Unfortunately, Argentina will likely not accept either.
They've spent so much time and money teaching their people the Malvinas Lie: that Britain usurped the Islands, rather than the vice-versa attempt that really happened. The fact that they lie to their children about it is particularly disgusting.
If they suddenly told the truth now, all of the time and money spent perpetuating the Malvinas Lie, even the lives lost during their illegal invasion in 1982 would all be for nothing.
Sadly, that's the part of a fair settlement they'll never accept, and why they'll never agree to stop lying.
I watched the event live on UN TV feed and what stood out to me was every time one of the C24 members started to talk they thanked the Argentinian delegation for attending, but made no reference whatsoever to the Falkland Islands delegation.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Chairman had any manners he would have made a point of order and reminded the C24 members that the people of the Falklands have sent their democratically elected representatives.
I will be interested to hear what Mike Summers has to say and wonder if he tried to meet with Tinpotman?
Jog on c24 your ignoring the people who live on the islands in favour of a bunch of muppets who've worked themselves into a lather about a bumch of islands they have never visited have no right to .
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0as too the resources argentina has vast amount of natural resources and land but due to incompetence thrown those advantages away.
FROM THE COMMITTEE'S WEBSITE
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0”The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).
The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.”
It seems to me from the above that it fails to address the matter of the Falklands/Malvinas dispute.
To save time can Mercopress just copy and paste the comments from the same article last year?
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf it were up to me, l wouldn't even attend their biased, stupid meetings.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0l wouldn't even bother to communicate with the lying tossers in any way.
But l would increase my military spending.
“Trust in God, but keep your powder dry”-Oliver Cromwell.
From the Committee - you can read how idiotic this committee is when you read about Gibraltar's invitation including First Class Travel is rejected.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gacol3280.doc.htm
Hear, hear, Mike summers and 6 CKurze30k !!!
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said, both: However, let us not waste yet more time and emotional and intellectual energy on inveterate liars. The Evil Argentine Government (EAG) has usurped the power and good of the majority of Argentines. Until the Good rise up against their minority criminals, there is no hope, either for Argentina or for those outside who are aghast at such barefaced lies. I, for one, will no longer visit these useless, non-news articles; that is my contribution.
@9. Of course it fails to address the supposed “dispute”. It has no mandate in that respect.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11. In the circumstances, I would attend once more. I would begin by sending a formal written request to the Chair of the C-24, copied to the Secretary General, requesting to be the first to speak on a subject of great international importance. I would give no prior warning of the subject, but do everything possible to ensure that the largest possible media coverage was on hand.
My initial point would be to ask the Chair what argieland was doing there. The subject is decolonisation, not sovereignty. For which the C-24 has no mandate.
I would then list the various occasions of which the C-24 has been invited to visit the Islands, the commitment on the part of the British government and the number of occasions on which any member of the C-24 has officially visited.
I would then go through every facet of the argie “case” and describe every lie. Including references to reputable sources and legal precedents.
In conclusion, I would say that the Falkland Islands rejects the jurisdiction of the C-24 and the UN of which it is not a member. I would point out that, in 55 years, the Committee has done NOTHING for the people of the Islands except provide a platform on which argieland has been able to spout its lies. And I would make it clear that, like Britain, the Falklands will no longer attend. Perhaps ask the Committee how it intends to proceed when the democratically elected representatives of the Falklands people refuse to attend. Make it clear that the C-24 can reach any decisions it likes, for as long as it likes. The Falklands will pay no attention.
I would ensure that a full transcript was made completely available, with explanatory notes where appropriate.
And then I would walk out and return home.
Perhaps, to give the greatest force, it might be possible for the RAF to make a Voyager available so that Falklands representatives could arrive and leave without delay.
This Committee is not fit for purpose.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0In my case (Gibraltar), we submitted our Consitiution to them in 2006 and asked them whether, in their view, it fit the criteria for de-listing; and if not, why not?
Nine years later, we have had no response.
The Committee is charged with looking after the interests of the “people to be decolonised”. As such, we have invited them, each year, to come to Gibraltar on afact-finding mission.
After 50 years, this has not happened, and this year the chairman flatly refused the provided air ticket, stating “You know I am not going to use it.”.
This is flagrant dereliction of duty.
Also, this year, we find out that the Chairman has held secret meetings with the Spanish Foreign Ministry.
Spain is not “the administering power” and has no part to play in the decolonisation process: its supposed 'claim' is territorial and the correct channel is the ICJ.
For the Chairman - charged with protecting our interests - making secret arrangements with a hostile 3rd party is not only a dereliction of duty, it is a total breach of his role and a corruption of the purpose of this Committee.
The Committee must now be disbanded, or replaced with a non-partisan organisation which can command respect and credibility.
They are a neo-colonial disgrace.
The document issued by the FIG and circulating the UN entitled - 50 Years of Argentine Falsehoods at the United Nations - can be found here
Jun 26th, 2015 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0English = https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/falklands-facts-and-fictions-english-emailable.pdf
Spanish = https://falklandstimeline.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/falklands-facts-and-fictions-english-emailable.pdf
@ 14 and @15
Jun 26th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good posts.
The committee is unfit - for any usefull purpose.
“My initial point would be to ask the Chair what argieland was doing there. The subject is decolonisation, not sovereignty. For which the C-24 has no mandate.”
Dead right, what is Argentina doing there? They decolonised years ago.
I have just read the excellent paper referred to by Roger Lawton.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0It really is disgraceful that the eunuchs of the C24 should act in the manner that they do.
The fact that the UN does nothing to support the lies of Argentina and nothing to help the Falkland Islands simply underlines what a lot of people have thought about the UN for a long time now: it should be demoted in stature to a 'conclave' organisation. A talking shop where nothing is ever decided and no action taken.
These English think they are above the law. So what value is the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons?
Jun 26th, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I were to Argentina would have produced atomic bombs in 1000, as a defense and threat at the same time.
Argentina cannot afford to produce 1 nuclear bomb and you appear to have no idea of the treaties Brasileiro - which the UK fully complies with, regardless of ridiculous Argentine claims to the contrary.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brasshole, atomic weapons in the hands of TMBOA!! Your country would be a cinder by now! The Argies cant even maintain the mid 20th century weapons they have! Would you trust a neighbour like that? Twat
Jun 26th, 2015 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slight problem with the story here, there were no Bell 212s destroyed on the 12 June 1982 at Stanley. The following aircraft were captured in Stanley though:
Jun 26th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Eleven Pucaras of FAA Grupo 3
Two Bell 212's of FAA Grupo 7
Three Aermacchi MB-339A's of CANA 1 Esc
Puma SA.330L of PNA
Chinook CH-47C of CAB 601
Two Agusta A-109A Hirundos of CAB 601
Nine Iroquois UH-1H's of CAB 601
Eight of the helos were still airworthy and that included the two Bell212s. No Bell 212s are listed by either side as having been lost in combat.
#19 lula lunatic
Jun 26th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil DID have an atomic bomb project, but quietly it was made to vanish. Do you know why? Educate yourself of a change...
At 19 Brasileiro , do you understand what the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is all about? Do you know what Non-proliferation means? Obviously not, because if you did you would not make such crass comments. We do not support the proliferation of nuclear weapons, we have reduced our holdings but we are not going to increase our numbers. You should be looking towards Putin, he is increasing his arsenal. The NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament. The latter element will never be adhered to by anyone.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 019 Brasileiro (#)
Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also try not to get confused between Brazil currently constructing a nuclear POWER submarine, and a nuclear ARMED submarine.
Argentina gets confused between these two all the time.
We have to look at the latest C24 as a huge opportunity.
They have completely ignored the wishes of the Peoples of the Falklands and Gibraltar.
The UK Government and both Territories, should send an official letter to the head of the UN formally removing these and all BOT's from the UN decolonization list.
Pointing out that the C24 is being misused by Spain and Argentina to discuss sovereignty.
All the lies told by Argentina are well documented elsewhere by Mr Summers.
The Peoples of these Territories do NOT want to be colonized.
The UN should be defunded and disbanded. It is a useless do nothing bureaucracy. I hope the next US Prez pulls us out of that mess.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0PAULCEDRON PAULCEDRON PAULCEDRON
Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0U R G E N T : N E E D S A C T I O N
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Best thing the FI can do is declare independence. There would be no question of it's status. We in the States war for our independence from the British but there are countries like Belize and Jamaica that became independent with British consent. Why can't this be the case with them?
Jun 26th, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@28 Because the Argentineans would attack the Falkland Islands. They are self governing and they want the British to protect them from their aggressive neighbours. If they want independence the British would not object but last year the Falkland islanders voted overwhelmingly to remain a BOT. It is called self-determination.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 28:
Jun 26th, 2015 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. Why bother with these fruitless meetings of the UN. Ignore it all and call yourself independent.
Mean, that is how Argentina got their “independence”. Spain was too busy dealing with France, so the “Cabildo” saw and took the opportunity. Very heroic indeed... But at least almost without the loss of blood.
So, that's how easy it is.
By visiting yearly this UNDC, Falklanders do more harm than good. Stay home and ignore them. There are other ways to make your point.
Isn't there any other worthwhile news than this same worn out old story?
Jun 26th, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh what surprise, the powerless committee of the corrupt from some of the most despotic regimes on earth vote to keep themselves in a job because the moment they take anyone off the list as the inhabitants of the Falklands Montserrat, Gibraltar ect demand is the very same moment they will be disbanded. Nothing they do or say anyway has an relevance especially when it contradicts the rights granted by the UN forth committee who sit above them.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps the ideas of the United Nations Decolonization Committee make sense. Imagine if Argentina did re-colonize in order to de-colonize the colony:
Jun 26th, 2015 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remarkable improvements would take place for Las Islas Malvinas with the de-colonization program to improve the lives of the islanders.
Islanders would receive free access to all transmitted Argentina sports and news.
All signage would be changed to reflect the proper Argentine names of places.
Driving on roads would be on the right instead of the left.
An enormous monument depicting the great heroes of 1982 would be erected with the statue of Baroness Thatcher, as well as the war memorial to be quietly dumped into the sea.
Two thousand la Cámpora instructors would begin their responsibilities managing the new reeducation centers that would obligatory for each islander to attend. Free Spanish classes would be available for residents over the age of 55, but all others would be required to attend.
Another two thousand Chinese dock workers would settle for servicing the large Chinese fishing vessels as well as the Chinese Navy warships operating in the Mar Argentina.
Another six thousand Chinese soldiers would be based at their new south Atlantic defense center that has a 99 year lease in return for debt reduction.
Aerolinias Argentinas would provide provide service between Buenos Aires and the Aeroparque Xi Jinping (former Mount Pleasant airport)
“they have orchestrated a campaign to distort the perception of the transplanted population,”
Jun 26th, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now that is an interesting admission, clearly the alternative view of history being told is perceived by BA as having an effect. Or they would not have mentioned it.
Otherwise powerful statements from the FIG, same old rhetoric from TinPot which no liberal democracy on the planet is going to support.
Increasingly blunt language being used by several of the NSGTs when addressing the committee, also by Ban-Ki Moon in his addresses.
Increasingly irrelevant committee, trying to get involved in areas like alleged sovereignty disputes where it has no jurisdiction whatsoever, whilst completely failing to do what it is supposed to do i.e. “guide all the territories on its list to self-determination”.
A committee which doesn’t even accept that certain territories on its list have the right to self-determination, as decided by the UNGA.
Can’t see it lasting too much longer. When a change of setup does happen, it will have to be voted on by the UNGA as to what replaces it (if Ban-Ki Moon doesn’t simply disband it), then we shall see if over 100 countries support Argentina.
I strongly suspect that if Argentina actually thought it did have that level of support, there would have been a resolution and vote a long time ago.
After all, why piss ball around in the first place with a sub-committee of the fourth committee of the GA, if you can get what you want directly from the GA.
Rendell and Summers make a first class representations of Falkland Islanders, they make it absolutely clear that supporting Argentina in any claim over our homeland is act of colonialism in itself s. Well done Mike & Phyl a totally professional performance. TSB
Jun 26th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But l would increase my military spending.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Trust in God, but keep your powder dry”-Oliver Cromwell.
how can you, my beloved isolda, quote a tyrant, a killer, the worst shite in universe?
eh?
it would be as quoting hitler or churchill or mussolini.
isolda: disapproved.
0/10
There is a simple way to completely eradicate the C24.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The agreed method for Decolonization is that either:
1) the inhabitants have independence
2) the inhabitants integrate into the host country
3) the inhabitants integrate into a foreign country
There is a quite simple method to meet requirement 2) without a single thing having to change.
2) is achieved by giving the inhabitants of all BOTs a vote in the UK general election.
However, the arguments against this are...
1) why should they have an influence (however small) in the UK Parliament when they are self-governing
2) managing who would stand would be nightmare
3) it would potentially make them a political pawn.
This is easy fixed.
Make the BOTs the speakers seat.
The speaker doesn't vote in parliament
The speaker is not party political whilst in the job
The speaker automatically is chosen as the MP
Therefore, the C24s ridiculous “rules” are met. The BOTs are effectively no more or less represented than today. The UK government is no different than today.
It's simple and ends this ridiculous charade.
A little hard to grasp their twisted logic, but apparently Argentina desires through bullying and harassment to eventually re-colonize with legal rightful immigrants in order to de-colonize the colony of inserted illegal current residents.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0P A U L C E D R O N
SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU!
The SIS-Vauxhall Cross Group has your ski trip all ready and is anxiously awaiting your arrival..
@36 paulcedron II
Jun 26th, 2015 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell
His words to the Rump Parliament when he dismissed it seem very appropriate for the C24.
“You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
One of the truly great men of history, he gave the world Parliamentary Democracy.
UN dictatorship Committee ,
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain and the islanders should publicly refuse to listen to this outdated colonial group,
but we wont..
www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/26/falklands_online_land_grab/
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Important reading. Argentina's strategy to steal the Falklands Internet address .fk
@36. It's easy, sweetie. Because we have every attention of killing you. Inch by inch. Imagine yourself being fed into a commercial meat grinder. Feet first. Toes first. Calves. The grinding of the knees. The thighs. The groin, belly, stomach, chest, throat, head. And then you're gone. Mince and gristle.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 genetic aberration
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you ever seen a shrink, you aberration?
wot?
you don't even have one in the islets?
then an exorcist, a warlock, whatever the fuck you have there.
hurry up, abby, before it's too late.
Heh heh heh..can't wait to meet Paul. Can't wait to give his nuts a squeeze. Cmon Paul, were waiting for you. Soo nice to be able to give some back.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
Paul Cedron: neo-colonialist: but totally irrelevant.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You don't matter
Three times, in 1947,1948 and 1955, the United Kingdom told Argentina it would accept mediation over the Falklands by the International Court of Justice. On each occasion Buenos Aires rejected this completely reasonable and generous offer. It is obvious to everyone why Argentina was scared of mediation: it knew it had no legal case for ownership of the islands. After all, Britain settled the Falklands in 1765, before Argentina even existed. But even if Argentina had said it would accept the court’s judgement, it could never be trusted to keep its word. In 1971 Chile and Argentina both agreed to accept binding arbitration in yet another Argentinian sovereignty dispute, over islands in the Beagle Channel. However, when judges from the International Court of Justice decided unanimously in favour of Chile, Argentina rejected it. So no one can ever trust an Argentininian.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 tehe little voice
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it seems you love to squeeze nuts, dont you?
que putazo que sos...LOL
#46 Ezekielman
Jun 26th, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile and Argentina have had NUMEROUS border disputes with Argentina that were submitted to international binding arbitration only for them later to refuse the result because it was not in their favor. I completely agree that no one can trust an Argentine. Besides nearly brutally invading our territory in 1978, in 1965 80 of their guardarme without warning brutally attacked 4 Chilean border guards killing one and wounding another to seize a small lake that had previously awarded to Chile by arbitration.
Quote of the tittle:“UN Decolonization Committee supports Argentina's Falklands/Malvinas claims”
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can any of you tell me in what basis does the committe support the argentine claim of sovereignty of Malvinas islands please?.
@36 paulcedron,
Jun 26th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what you think or approve of?
Certainly not this Earthling.
You know nothing about Oliver Cromwell & in any case, l was merely quoting his wise words.
l did not say that l approved or disapproved of the man or his methods.
You assume far, far too much, niño.
“Freedom comes from out of the barrel of a gun”-Mao Tze Tung.
“Dare to struggle & dare to win”-also Mao Tze Tung.
Quotes, dear boy, quotes.
ln your mind then, am l a communist? Or even a Chinese Communist?
You are a blithering idiot & a troll, paulcedron.
Of course you would be a malvinista, you don't have the reasoning intelligence to be anything but a stupid, uninformed, lying malvinista.
Hope this helps.
@47 paulcedron President Corruptina Kirchner, her pet dwarf and foreign minister Hector Timerman and the comically named minister for Falklands affairs, Daniel Filmus, are always good for a laugh. Well, this trio of comedians can rest assured that long after they are dead and buried the Falkland Islanders will be living happily and prosperously under the British flag.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you read the minutes of yesterdays meeting.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A fizzle which Gollum is trying to convert into a hollow Roman triumph for Argentina.
Timmerman, Minister of Foriegn Affairs and WORSHIP!!! Wow.
A Jewish apostate what religión does he follow now?
Phillistine? Beware of being immolated in the fires of Moloch when your Goddess is discredited
So now Bettsy the patsy has been fully discredited so he takes along on his coat tails two Falklands “residents” Picardo Patterson and Guillermo Clifton, stressing that they are 2nd and 4th generaration Falklanders. Rather negates his postulation that The Falklanders are an implanted lot of squatters methinks?
During the war Argentina sent over an Anglo-Argentine delegation to the Falklands to persuade the islanders to accept Argie domination and got short shrift. It would be interesting to find out if these two ·residents· were part of that delegation.
in any case these peoples remarks were confined to environmental issues and no direct reference to the Malvinas Argentinas. On the list of those to be disappeared?
To be continued when someone else lets me to do so.
Paul eu estou do seu lado. Ever!
Jun 26th, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@53 eu estou do seu lado.
Jun 26th, 2015 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont you mean you are right behind him in plain English?
Diificult to stuff an immature pollywiggle from that aspect.
Speaking as a taxidermist of course
50 isolda
Jun 27th, 2015 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0isolda shut up
YOU know nothing about that piece of crap called cromwell.
as i wisely said he was the same shite as hitler, churchill, mussolini and stalin.
isolda: 0/10
#46 Ezekielman, No, The uk did not offered to take the dispute of Malvinas to the ICJ. The uk has never offered nor accepted (nor will accept for what i see) any arbitration or judging over Malvinas's sovereignty. Britain submitted to the ICJ the case over the dependencies of Malvinas, Not about the Malvinas itself. In fact, the only nation to offer arbitration over the sovereignty of the islands was Argentina, in 1884.
Jun 27th, 2015 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read a book, get you facts right. There is a link with a list of cases submitted to the ICJ on its WEBPAGE. I suggest you to read it.
Why would the UK take anything to the ICJ, they don't have a sovereignty dispute. They have sovereignty as recognised by international law and the United Nations.
Jun 27th, 2015 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fact that this committee continually refers to the UK as the colonial power just reiterates the point that Argentina has no influence or power regarding the Falkland Islands.
It is up to Argentina to take it to the ICJ and seemingly after more than 7 decades they have refused to do anything but whinge and whine about it.
And they will continue to whinge and whine about it for another 7 decades more than likely.
Guaranteed that the ICJ is never asked to rule or give an opinion on the Falkland Islands.
@53
Jun 27th, 2015 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical Brazilian hiding behind someone, got something to say, say it face to face.
@56 Liberato,
Jun 27th, 2015 - 07:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0We have no need to go to any court as we are happy with the fact that we own the Falklands.
Argentina is the one who is not happy therefore it is up to your country to go to the court.
Why don't you?
lf you are SO SURE that you own the Falklands(there are no malvinas)& you have PROOF that you do, then why are you not making an application to have your case heard in the ICJ.??????????
Could it be that you really have no proof & know that you would lose your case?
Could it be that you really do know that you DO NOT own the Falklands???
Could it be that you are hoping for a miracle???????Maybe the Chinese Navy will conquer us & hand the lslands over to Argentina??? ha ha, don't think so!!
Could it be that you are hoping that the UN will give you OUR lslands just to shut you up?
Could it be that your threats & intimidation actually will work & we will just roll over & beg you to colonise us????
No, Liberato, these are NOT your lslands & NEVER will be.
Keep your thieving hands to yourself.
You have to laugh at paulcedron. What a twit.
Jun 27th, 2015 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@49 Liberato
Jun 27th, 2015 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're right. The Committee has not supported Argentina's claim, it has merely called for dialogue and negotiation, which even Timerman admits has already taken place. Argentina's territorial ambitions in the British South Atlantic have not been advanced by so much as a centimeter, but the gullible can be persuaded again that the cause is not dead, the UN supports it. That makes it a success for Peronist manipulation, but not for Argentina.
@56
After 150 years, it's quite hard to see why Argentina doesn't make another attempt at arbitration. It's not the same government in the UK after all, and surely you have nothing to lose by asking. Imagine for example that Argentina invites the UK to take the case to the ICJ, and the UK refuses. There's a stupendous propaganda victory right there, just for the price of a stamp and a letter. And of course, even better, if the UK accepts, Argentina is bound to win. Isn't it?
60 ElaineB Paulcedron is the only reason I read the comments. He is a constant source of amusement and what makes it all the more amusing is that he doesn't realise how funny is. Pobrecito.
Jun 27th, 2015 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0P A U L C E D R O N
Jun 27th, 2015 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dearest and most admired contributor of Mercopress,
You have convinced most of our readers here that Argentina only desires through peaceful gentle persuasion and logic to eventually convince the world for its right to re-colonize with legal rightful Argentine native immigrants in order to de-colonize the colony of inserted illegal alien current residents.
The SIS-Vauxhall Cross Group is excited to hear your views in person and is anxiously awaiting your arrival to its all inclusive resort as an exclusive VIP guest.
Very truly yours, Chicureo
63 chilote
Jun 27th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0didn't they tell you that you are a bit too repetitive, and a bit too boring, and a bit too pelotudo?
P A U L C E D R O N
Jun 27th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dearest and most admired intellectual contributor of Mercopress,
Were you not asking assistance for the best ski resort accommodations in the Islands? I'm just trying to assist you...
After all, though your intellectual posts you have greatly convinced most of nearly all readers here that Argentina only desires through peaceful gentle persuasion and logic to eventually convince the world for its right to re-colonize with legal rightful Argentine native immigrants in order to de-colonize the colony of inserted illegal alien current residents.
The SIS-Vauxhall Cross Group is excited to hear your views in person and is anxiously awaiting your arrival to its all inclusive resort as an exclusive VIP guest.
Very truly yours sweetheart, Chicureo
XXXOOO
You have to laugh at these so-called ” polititians, they have to make up tales to keep the population happy. Well done Hector you are doing a magnificant job of making sure that you will NEVER get the FALKLANDS you knob.
Jun 27th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only country that has this problem is Argentina
Jun 27th, 2015 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the only leader who has a problem is an Argentinian,
and only the brainwashed bloggers are argentine,
end of .
britonto
Jun 27th, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no, you britonto
the only country that has this problem with 1/2 world is...england, you twat.
starting with malvinas and following with gibraltar, northern ireland, chagos, and the list goes on.
all those colonies the brainwashed englanders call BOT are the problem.
got it now, britonto?
68 paulcedron II
Jun 27th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over the centuries, Great Britain has bestowed many benefits on less fortunate countries across the world. Two of the most precious gifts have been English, the world’s greatest, most powerful and most popular language, and the British educational system, the most successful and respected system of education on the globe. It is obvious to everyone that this individual has never enjoyed the advantage of either. May we suggest that he tries in his backward, undeveloped, Third World country to find what is called a school where he may be able to learn English and receive a basic form of education. It might help him to deal with his demons and his torment. Good luck, pobrecito.
68 BottyBoypaulie II
Jun 27th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh Paulie, dear, dear sweet paulie......... You have still not told us when you are coming to the Falklands. I wish you would because we would all like to know....
Or are you going to take up the generous offer from the SIS-Vauxhall Cross Group as friend Chicureo has pointed out to you?
Come on over and see us!! I'd like to give your nuts a squeeze as well.
He knows how eager we are to ...er, greet him, lol!
Jun 27th, 2015 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He won't come here.
69 imbecile
Jun 28th, 2015 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Over the centuries, Great Britain has bestowed many benefits on less fortunate countries across the world.”
LOL
and then they say they are not brainwashed...lol
over the centuries, you imbecile, england has looted, fleeced, occupied and robbed 3/4 parts of the world.
that´s why they have enemies all over the globe.
understood?
by the way, you are answering to me @69, but then you say “ It is obvious to everyone that this individual has never enjoyed the advantage of either. May we suggest that he tries...blablabla”
now, who the fuck is “this individual” or who the fuck is “he”?
didn't they teach you that when you are answering to someone you have to use the 2nd person?
where the fuck did you study?
at the porko stanley community school?
#69
Jun 28th, 2015 - 02:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0800 years ago a document that came to be known as the Magna Carta, came into being, it has shaped the world we live in like no other document in history. It propelled England into the modern era, helped give birth to liberty in America, inspired French revolutionaries, shaped Aussie law, and inspired radicals as far afield as South Africa and China.
All ideas must start somewhere and the charter unleashed the idea that the power of the state must sometimes give way to individual liberty and autonomy. The charter contained 63 clauses and the ideal of liberty is articulated in clauses 38 and 39. These clauses concern the basic rights of citizens to a fair trial and to what we would regard today as citizenship and they formed the earliest articulations of the rule of law.
Over the years, the Magna Carta has evolved; in England in the 17th century the Magna Carta was cited successfully in the argument against the right of officials to search people’s homes. This became the rule that we know today as: “An Englishman’s home is his castle.”
In America in the 1760s, the revolutionary James Otis cited the Magna Carta when he denounced the colonial government’s use of “writs of assistance” which allowed them to search people’s homes. He went so far as to say that when the document was signed in 1215, “American independence was then and there born.” The Fourth Amendment of the US constitution — which guarantees “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects” — made clause 39 of Magna Carta a reality for all.
In 1989 in Tiamen Square the student protesters pinned copy of the Magna Carta to their ‘Democracy wall”
The Magna Carta forms the intellectual basis for modern democracy worldwide and it was, like many other fine contributions to modern civilization – made in the United Kingdom.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/magna-cartas-spirit-can-help-us-resist-todays-overweening-state/story-fnhulnf5-1227395298287
72 paulcedron II
Jun 28th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So glad to see you've woken from your stupor. Life just would not be the same without your outpourings of bile and poison. But you really do need to calm down and finally recognise that your massive inferiority complex is caused by the fact you weren't born under the blessed Union flag. The more you demonstrate your intellectual inferiority, which encompasses your racism and corrosive hatreds, the more you show to the rest of us what an unlucky chappie you are. Try to learn how to read, then possibly you will awaken to the glories of British culture and humanities. Pobrecito.
isolda
Jun 28th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“He won't come here.”
dont be so sad, my dear, lovely, loveable and beloved -but not too bright- isolda.
i will be there in 2 months, more or less.
“The reality is that Argentina is a completely irresponsible government,” says John Baker, professor emeritus at Louisiana State University Law Centre. “They have taken a very rich country and destroyed it financially. … Without the discipline of having to be responsible to somebody, there's never any hope of change down there.”
Jun 28th, 2015 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A hopeless case. Fact. So sorry for you, pobrecito.
The only country that has this problem with 1/2 world is...England
Jun 28th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England, ha ha, you just love England don’t you,
You admire England, the greatest country on planet earth, England,
The only civilised country on mother earth and paulcedron loves it,
Teenagers have fantasies abt stars and icons, paulcedron has dreams of mighty England,
England, England, paulcedron loves you……..
paulcedron
Did you know that England is only one of 4 in the United Kingdom, and just one of over 199 independent countries in the world?
Did you know England and Scotland became one in 1706?
Poor paulcedron his is so transfixed with England that he forgotten the rest of the world,
Still, having the best argentine education on the planet did not help….lolol
Emgland England England , cough , cough...
71 lsolde
Jun 28th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“dont be so sad, my dear, lovely, loveable and beloved -but not too bright- isolda. i will be there in 2 months, more or less.”
eeeeewwwww!!! being stalked by BottyBoypaulie!!!! It makes ME feel all dirty just reading the words!!
But still, there we have it, from the horses mouth ( or should that be the cow's bottom? ) BottyBoypaulie will be landing in the Falklands “in 2 months, more or less.”
We have BottyBoypaulie's word on it, the question that everyone is asking is :-
Does that count for anything at all?
Two months? We wish, we wish... But we shouldn't hold our breaths. It's just the same old, tired Argentinian bravado and lies, the kind they despise in Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay and the rest of South America.
Jun 28th, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Forget this poor little chap and his pathetic two months. The world will be a far, far better place when he dissolves in his own poison and bile. Good riddance.
@78 toooldtodieyoung,
Jun 28th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts my fault really.
l shouldn't have answered or stirred up the idiot.
Almost certain that he won't come here, but if he did he would be ignored anyway.
But l know what you mean……eeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!yuk
Pollywiggle?
Jun 28th, 2015 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irish grandfathers house in La Paloma Uruguay? He can look forward to a héroes welcome here when he comes in January
Nothing changes because UK refuse to negotiate such as UN demands.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are they waiting for? A new war? That is not my country's idea. We want to solve the problem peacefully.
The point is that UK have many geopolitical and economic interests in the islands and they do not want to lose them.
The UK must respect UN resolutions and starts negotiations. It is not only Argentina who demands it but several countries.
@82
Jun 29th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonderful, now tell us what Argentina has to Argentina going to bring to the negociating table? You will have to do better than just saying it is Argentine. Comon put some meat on the bone.
82 Yo
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respect UN resolutions? In 1982 the United Nations decreed that Argentina had no jurisdiction over the waters surrounding the Falklands. So Argentina must respect that resolution because it has no claim to any oil around the Falklands. And, most conclusively, the 3,000 residents of the Falklands voted almost 100 per cent to remain under the British flag. It is called self-determination and they will decide their future, not Corruptina Kirchner who tries to distract the Argentinian people from her disastrous policies with her “global cause” of the Malvinas. She is a sick joke. The Falklands are simply her great delusion and illusion to brainwash the long-suffering people.
84 ezekielman
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UN resolution includes the islands and the water surrounding them.
It is obvious that if you make british people to vote they will choose by continue being british. So the referendum is not valid. It is only recongnized by UK and the commonwealth countries.
The UN does not recognize it, that is why the continue signing the resolutions that call for negotiation between two countries and they do not take account of your desire.
84 boludo
Jun 29th, 2015 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“And, most conclusively, the 3,000 residents of the Falklands voted almost 100 per cent to remain under the British flag”
lets see if you understand 1 thing at least.
that referendum was / is a joke, you boludo
it is like asking a bunch of squatters if they think that the house they are squatting is theirs.
what do you think they are going to answer, you genius?
Argentina’s great delusion, that it has any kind of legitimate claim to the Falklands, which goes hand in hand with Argentina’s great illusion, that the world cares a monkey’s fart for its laughable fantasy. If its claim has the slightest merit, why doesn't it go to the International Court, like the Philippines are doing with China in their dispute over islands? Kirchner and her cronies won't take the legal route because they know their claim is a joke.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 084 ezekielman
Jun 29th, 2015 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Respect UN resolutions?”
I have no need to remind you, of course, of resolution 502 that was passed by the UN security council ( and that made it BINDING ) that called upon argentina to remove any and all military forces from the Falkland Islands and South Georgia IMMEDIATELY.
Of course argentina complied with this resolution and thus avoided armed conflict with the UK......
No they didn't. They ignored it and condemned 650 of their soldiers to die a meaningless death.
By ignoring that resolution AND trying to use armed force, argentina has shown that it can not be trusted in anything at all. All this running to the UN? they are just p*ssing in the wind.
Even IF the Argies went to the ICJ they would not accept the result anyway if it went against them. Lying and arrogant twats the lot of them. Tell me YO did the Argies respect the UN Resolution 502? I await your answer.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corruptina Kirchner is a liar and a thief, refusing to settle her country's massive debts. We must all hope that after she ends her catastrophic reign as president, the source of her massive fortune will be investigated. After FIFA, it has to be Kirchner.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get lost, Yo.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yo off. All that you say has been refuted long ago.
This is NOT your land, NEVER has been & NEVER will be.
Next ridiculous statement?
lf you really believe your idiotic “claim” then take it to the ICJ.
Boludo.
stop cursing isolda.
Jun 29th, 2015 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0shame on you!
@85 Yo
Jun 29th, 2015 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“It is obvious that if you make british people to vote they will choose by continue being british. ”
They weren't made to vote-it was the Falkland Islands Government's idea for the referendum, not the UK government's decision.
If the Argentine government persuaded the Islanders it would be in their best interests to be Argentine, then they would vote to become Argentine.
But the Islanders know that Argentina would make a total mess running the Islands-and the UK respects the UN charter.
The choice between remaining connected to a well run (comparatively) democracy and a country (Argentina) that has developed it's politics from Adolf Hitler isn't a difficult choice.
Why don't you go to the ICJ?
@82:
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK must respect UN resolutions and starts negotiations.”
The UK *does* respect UN Resolutions. As mentioned above, Argentina refused to abide by the only *binding* Resolution passed regarding the Falklands, which directed Argentina to remove their illegal invasion and occupation force.
It is Argentina that refuses to negotiate in good faith. Argentina cannot prove their claim to the Falklands (the Malvinas Lie), yet demands that negotiations end with them getting sovereignty, *before* negotiations take place.
Argentina had their chance to negotiate a few years ago. Their representative left in a huff because representatives of the Falklands Islanders were there to represent their interests, as any reasonable negotiation would take into account.
“It is obvious that if you make british people to vote they will choose by continue being british.”
It's obvious that if you lie about even a small island's populace for decades, illegally invade and subjugate them, and make plans to murder them, they'd be less inclined to choose to join Argentina.
“So the referendum is not valid. ”
No, it really is valid. It was a free and fair referendum taken solely by the legitimate inhabitants of a historically British territory with British approval.
As I said above, there's two fair ways to resolve this dispute:
Argentina, as the disputing party can take the case to the ICJ. If their claim is legitimate, they could have sovereignty by the end of the year. If they lose, they must accept it.
Alternatively, they can do the right thing and admit their claim is a lie. That would obviously include apologising to the UN for their deception, publicly dropping all fake claims including those in their consitiution, and removing their opposition to the removal of the Islands from the C24's decolonisation list.
Those are the only options that are fair to all parties involved in this dispute. Unfortunately, Argentina refuses to accept either.
Which one do you prefer?
I have not commented before. The following questions need to be answered:
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Why is there a reluctance on the part of C24 to visit the territories under question?
2. Why is another country allowed to stop the decolonisation process by claiming the supposed colony for themselves?
3. How much do the C24 members stand to lose in remuneration and expenses if the the C24 committee's job is done?
4. Why are Britain's oversees territories singled out as colonies when French, Netherlands and US overseas territories are not?
It all seems a bit of a nonsense and unnecessarily keeping a bunch of people in jobs that do not need to be done.
95
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 01)...because the territory is disputed...
2)...because the territory is disputed...
3)...Each Country contributes money to the UN anyway...
4) ...because the territory is disputed...
91 lsolde (#) If you have to insult me, it is because you do not have enough arguments to hold your position. I talk to you respectfully and wait the same for me.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 093 Pete Bog (#)
94 CKurze30k (#)
The referendum is not valid as an argument because it is not recognized for any country except those linked to UK, in contrast with argentine position which counts with the support of several countries and organizations including the UN.
As a free country we have the freedom to choose our best strategy and in this moment it is to demand UK to comply with the UN's resolutions.
About the resolution 502, it was a mistake to unheard it, but it is a logical decision if you take in account the influences of UK in the security council.
Anyway i am completely against the war. That is why i think that Argentina and UK must sit and talk about this to achieve a pacific solution for the conflict.
I know that if we recover the run of the island it will be worst to you, but it does not changes the fact that the Malvinas are Argentine.
By last you always talk about CFK as she were a Queen and we her subjects, and i cant understand it because in fact you are the ones who have a queen and you pay their overpriced way of living. What do the Queen or King give to you in exchange???? ?
97 Yo
Jun 30th, 2015 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The referendum is not valid as an argument because it is not recognized for any country ” The referendum is an absolute unconditional legal UN Charter right. Therefor, it is not dependent on the vagaries of vox populi, which wax and wane. “..it does not changes the fact that the Malvinas are Argentine. ...” Oops! opinions are like derrières everybody's got one, is yours somehow more valid?
@97 Yo:
Jun 30th, 2015 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“As a free country we have the freedom to choose our best strategy...”
Of course - and as a free country, we have the right to criticize when we are your targets.
“and in this moment it is to demand UK to comply with the UN's resolutions.”
The UK *is* complying. We've shown willingness to negotiate in good faith, Argentina has not.
Argentina has previously demanded that they recieve sovereignty of the Falklands *before* any negotations to resolve the dispute on sovereignty. That's *not* good faith, that's demanding capitulation.
Despite Argentina claiming to take the Islander's interests into account, their diplomat sent for negotiations left when Islanders were invited to represent those interests.
“About the resolution 502, it was a mistake to unheard it, but it is a logical decision if you take in account the influences of UK in the security council.”
Or if you accept the truth that the Islands are British.
“Anyway i am completely against the war. That is why i think that Argentina and UK must sit and talk about this to achieve a pacific solution for the conflict.”
And I've offered two peaceful solutions that would resolve the dispute fairly for Argentina, Britain and the Islanders.
“I know that if we recover the run of the island it will be worst to you...”
The word is “recieve”. You cannot recover Islands that have never belonged to you.
“...but it does not changes the fact that the Malvinas are Argentine.”
No, but the fact that they were British *before* Argentina attempted to usurp them proves that “fact” as fabrication.
We've been over this several times. There's a blog that details the entire timeline of the Falklands, from discovery to present day. The Falklands have *never* been Argentine without usurpation. Not in the 1800s, not in 1982.
That's the Malvinas Lie, and it needs to stop if you do indeed want to “achieve a pacific solution for the conflict.”
Please.
99 CKurze30k
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Of course - and as a free country, we have the right to criticize when we are your targets.”
First of all you are not a free country at all. This fact is recognized by the international comunity and that is why de UN calls for a negotiation between Argentina and UK. I think that we should take in account your interests but due the arguments of self -determination we have to ignore you as a diplomatic strategy.
“The UK *is* complying. We've shown willingness to negotiate in good faith, Argentina has not”
UK refuses sistematically to negotiate about sovereingty, which is the real problem. For example Argentina has offered direct flights to the islands three times a week and UK has denied the offer.
“Or if you accept the truth that the Islands are British.”
I cant understand the relationship of this with accepting or not the resolution 502.
“And I've offered two peaceful solutions that would resolve the dispute fairly for Argentina, Britain and the Islanders.”
There is a third way. Comply with UN resolutions.
“The word is “recieve”. You cannot recover Islands that have never belonged to you.”
I have my problems with english language but not this time. The word i wanted to use was “recover”.
“No, but the fact that they were British *before* Argentina attempted to usurp them proves that “fact” as fabrication.”
I disagree with you, this is the same that saying the US is british because one day it was a british colony. Under that point of view half world should be british, including Buenos Aires twice invaded by UK before usurping the Islas Malvinas.
“That's the Malvinas Lie, and it needs to stop if you do indeed want to “achieve a pacific solution for the conflict.”
Or you should stop with the lie of the free country which is realy governed by UK, to keep their presence in the south atlantic due its strategic geopolitical position and natural resources.
We should start making links between us because want or not we have to coexist.
@100
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina claims it has rights arising from a colonial inheritance that was never left to it by a country that was never in undisputed possession of the islands, dubious interpretations of treaties it was never a party to, repudiation of the only treaty it actually was a party to, a mythology of settlement and expulsion contradicted by your own national archives, a fantasy of UN support undocumented in the text of any actual UN resolution and contradicted by actual UN votes, bird migrations, underwater geology, and pretending that the war you started and lost in 1982 never happened.
In pursuit of this claim, Argentina rejects any application of law, democracy or human rights, or recourse to the only body on the planet empowered to actually pronounce on the validity of its claim. It claims instead to a decolonization committee that colonial inheritance allows it to colonise a population with no right to resist or even express their wishes as to their own future. We;re also supposed to believe that Argentina wants dialogue and a negotiated solution, while it refuses to attend any meeting with the people whose home it wishes to seize, and writes a single predetermined outcome into its constitution.
There is no coexistence possible with this extraordinary level of bullshit, the only possible responses all end in “ ... off!”.
100 Yo: Both the UK and the Islanders have acted in accord with their mandated requirements under the UN Charter, which is binding international law. The confusion seems to be that UNGA resolutions are none -binding political advisements. You would have to show where in the UN Charter you can qualify your statement “are not a free country at all”. Since they are completely in compliance with international law.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0102 Terence Hill (#)
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are not a free country and that is why the dispute is on the Decolonization Committee. The resolution of the UN must be comply. The problem is the UK ignore them because uses their privilege position on the organization.
Fortunately several countries support Argentina's position, and will continue doing it.
The hardening in Argentina's position is due UK unilateral decision of start exploiting nonrenewable natural resources. So we do not have another choice than try to limit them till the dispute is resolved.
The resolution of the UN must be comply. The problem is the UK ignore them
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0please can you list these resolutions you speak of, and Britain ignores,
name each resolution that the UN demands or that are compulsory that we must obey,
thank you.
03 Yo
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You are not a free country and that is why the dispute is on the Decolonization Committee. The resolution of the UN must be comply.”
The dispute is before the C24 because of the fraudulent assertions by José María Ruda’s presentation in 1964 to the UN Sub-Committee III,2 which waspart of the UN Decolonisation Committee (the “Committee
of 24” or “C24”).
So you cannot qualify you assertion that the Islanders are not free, and continue to use the fallacy of 'repeated assertion' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion. As I have previously stated correctly the legal position that there is no compulsion for UK to comply with none=binding advisements. “...several countries support Argentina's position...” is irrelevant as the issue is purely a legal one, that is impervious to political vox populi opinions. It is the Islanders that are exploiting their “natural resources” as is their right. 68/98 Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 5 December 2014,[on the report of the Special Political and Decolonization Committee (Fourth Committee) lA/69/459)]
69/98. Economic and other activities which affect the interests of the peoples of the Non-Self-Governing Territories, The General Assembly,
Reaffirming further that the natural resources are the heritage of the peoples of the including the indigenous populations,...
1. Reaffirms the right of the peoples of the Non-Self Governing Territories to self-determination in conformity with the Charter of the United Nations and with General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) containing the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples, as well their right to dispose of those resources in their best interest;
8. Invites all Governments and organizations of the United Nations system to take all possible measures to ensure that the permanent sovereignty of the peoples of the Non-Self Governing Territories over their natural resources is fully respected and safeguarded in accordance with the
103 Yo
Jun 30th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The resolution of the UN must be comply”.
Eeeeerrrrrrr, no it doesn't. The C24 committee is a toothless tiger and ALL of it's resolutions are NON-BINDING.
If you are talking about resolution 2065 that is also dead in the water because in 1982 argentina tried to use military force to get what it wanted and got it's sorry, thieving ar*e handed to it on a plate. from that time, al previous UN resolutions became null and void.
The only binding UN resolution that was passed came from the security council in 1982 and that was resolution 502 and that WAS binding. argentina chose to ignore that one.
So there you have it. argentina f**ked itself on the world stage. It f**ked up any chance it had to “re-claim” the Falklands and so now the British government, the British people AND ( not least of all ) the Islanders themselves, don't want anything more to do with you.
Your own greed became your own undoing and you only have yourselves to blame for it.
So go on!! Go to the C24 and cry and whine like the little b*tches you truly are, it won't make any difference AT ALL. We hold all the aces in this card game.
BTW friend CKurze30k?? at 99? He is right. Remember that classic visit in 2013 when laughing boy Timerman came to London to discuss the Falklands with our Foreign Secretary?
When he heard that the FIG were going to be there as well, he ran away like the little yellow coward we all knew he was. So you have to agree, CKurze30k IS right.
Unless of course, you are ANOTHER brainwashed La Kampora troll.......
Argentina has no legitimate claim to the Falklands but does have a delusional view of the islands' history. Consequently it cannot “reclaim” them. It can only invade them and seek to annex them as it did with vast areas of Paraguay's Chaco after the War of the Triple Alliance and as it has also tried to do with Chile's islands in the Beagle Channel. There are also strong arguments for independence for Tierra del Fuego, which was occupied by Argentinian colonists who slaughtered most of the indigenous peoples. Formosa, Misiones and Tierra del Fuego were all annexed by Argentina. Give them back.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@103 yo
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you read this link - it is in Spanish so you will understand everything.
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/assets/Historia-Falsa-Sobre-Las-Islas-Falkland-Ante-La-ONU.pdf
107 ezekielman
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina has no legitimate claim to the Falklands but does have a delusional view of the islands' history. Consequently it cannot “reclaim” them.”
My bad.
Sorry for that oversight. I was trying to use Language that our deluded “Yo” would understand.
The whole country has a habit of “seizing all that they can behold with their eyes”
They seem to have territory disputes with all of their neighbours....... and a few that are not.
Did you get all that, friend Yo?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So as you can see:-
1) Argentina has NEVER owned the Falklands but lies to the Argentine people that it has.
2) Argentina does NOT NOW own the Falklands, however it seems that most of you believe those lies.
3) lf you REALLY BELIEVE that you do own our country & you have PROOF, then take your case to the ICJ.
4) Some people here had ancestors here before Argentina even existed.
5) As the poster @107 says, Argentina stole land from Paraguay, in 1871 actually. lf your country is so pure & wants always to do the right thing, then give back the stolen land to Paraguay.
6) All the lies that you spoke have been refuted on here, many times.
Next!
@100 Yo:
Jul 01st, 2015 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0“First of all you are not a free country at all. This fact is recognized by the international comunity and that is why de UN calls for a negotiation between Argentina and UK.”
Think you have the wrong end of the stick friend - I'm not a Falkland Islander, although my country was another that recently exercised its right to self-determination and agreed to stay part of the UK.
“UK refuses sistematically to negotiate about sovereingty, which is the real problem. ”
Not true. The UK merely wishes to negotiate in good faith. Demanding sovereignty as a prerequisite of negotiation is not good faith, nor is backing out of negotiations when the legitimate inhabitants of that territory are there to represent their interests.
“I cant understand the relationship of this with accepting or not the resolution 502.”
I suppose I could have worded that better. You claimed Resolution 502 was due to “the influences of the UK to the Security Council”. It's also possible that the resolution demanding Argentina remove it's occupation was due to the fact that they invaded British territory - which is what happened!
“There is a third way. Comply with UN resolutions.”
We are. You refuse to negotiate in good faith. My two solutions are fair to all three parties, would resolve the dispute within the year, and it only requires Argentina to act.
Especially given that the ICJ is the *only* international body qualified to rule on sovereignty disputes.
“Or you should stop with the lie of the free country which is realy governed by UK..”
That's not a lie - they are self-governing. We don't lie on this, not like you and the fake claim of the 1833 expulsion when we recovered our territory..
“We should start making links between us because want or not we have to coexist.”
I agree, but it won't happen until Argentina stops with the rhetoric and bullying.
Sorry i thought you were malvinense
Jul 01st, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know where you live, so i cant make an opinion about your decision of staying part of UK.
I think that we have two very different views about the issue. We could be years writing here and would get anything.
The only way the problem will be solved is that the common people, and not politician, get closed. So we could know each other better and we could have a chance of letting apart hate.
I think that we have two very diffent views about the issue. We could be years writting here and would get anything.
The only way the problem will be solved is that the common people, and not politician, get closed. So we could know each other better and we could have a chance of setting aside hatred.
I hope one day we could write between us about other topics more happy.
I have been reading and writing with people from the islands for 2 years and i see that you think we are a complete mess. We have our problems but we have a lot of good things too.
Have you ever been to continental Argentina?
Have you ever been to continental Argentina?
We have lots of little towns just like you where the life is quiet.
I live in Roldan, 20 km away from Rosario. Rosario have 1.200.000 inhabitants and have several insecurity cases a day.
But in Rodan i live the whole day with my front door opened and nobody comes and stole me or my family. My son can go by the neighborhood riding his bike and there is no problem.
So what i try to explain is that Argentina is not only the bad news you hear about the huge cities. And not everything shown by medias is the true.
@112:
Jul 01st, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Sorry i thought you were malvinense”
No need for apologies, I haven't really made it clear in the past.
“I think that we have two very different views about the issue. We could be years writing here and would get anything. ”
Ah, but it's *how and what* we write that's the enjoyable part. If you don't mind me saying, you've been quite polite in our discussions.
Considering that in the past we've had people who just repeat the “squatters!” crap or demand that the Falklands be *nuked*, being able to have a relatively peaceful discussion is quite refreshing. Thank you.
“The only way the problem will be solved is that the common people, and not politician, get closed. So we could know each other better and we could have a chance of setting aside hatred.
I hope one day we could write between us about other topics more happy.”
No argument here.
“Have you ever been to continental Argentina?”
I regret that I have not.
“We have lots of little towns just like you where the life is quiet.”
Indeed - I myself live in a little town about 30 miles out of Edinburgh. Not as peaceful in some places as Roldan, I admit, but quiet all the same.
“So what i try to explain is that Argentina is not only the bad news you hear about the huge cities. And not everything shown by medias is the true.”
Oh yes - I've seen how some media outlets bias things.
I have no real issue with any of the Argentine people- I prefer to keep my dislikes towards their government and it's attitude towards the Falklands.
If that were resolved fairly and peacefully, I would have no doubt our countries could have a much more friendly relationship.
Anyways, nice talking to you, I quite enjoyed it.
113 CKurze30k (#)
Jul 01st, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I realy enjoy talking to all of you too.
Some times i could sound rude, but that is because i have to find the way to say what i want to say but in another language.
Unfortunately every where there is intolerant people, like of the ones who has insulted me.
Now that i know you live in scotland i would like to ask you. Has UK goverment complied with the promises they made to scottish people if they remain british?
ah terrence, still fighting the tide. lol.
Jul 01st, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0great story mercopress. :)
96 Zombie, Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Jul 01st, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“because the territory is disputed...” Then the Islands are inviolate from Argentine machinations as “there is no obligation in general international law to settle disputes”.
Principles of Public International Law, third edition, 1979 by Professor Ian Brownlie
Screw the UN....just a bunch of commies...
Jul 01st, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 Yo,
Jul 01st, 2015 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why shouldn't l insult you & why should l treat you with respect?
Your government & its obvious that also you, want to take over my country.
You want my family's home & all that we've worked for.
You have to realise that your government lies to you & you believe it.
Has always lied to you about the Falklands & you believe it.
Why should we “negotiate”?
What is there to “negotiate”?
You want OUR country. lt is not yours & we don't want you here.
Would you like it if another country demanded that Argentina “negotiated”its independence? Well, would you like that, Yo?
You even have these lies in your constitution.
As l said before, if you really believe that our lslands belong to you & you have PROOF, then take your evidence to the ICJ or stop wasting everyone's time with lies.
There is nothing to “negotiate”.
Hope this helps.
isolda
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Why shouldn't l insult you & why should l treat you with respect?”
because everybody deserve to be treated with respect.
you didnt know that isolda??
not a surprise...
@119
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Words of wisdom from our friend Paul, bloody hypocrite and who treats no-one with respect. You have to earn respect but of course you would not know that being an Argie.
Does the Committee of 24 support this?
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 09:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/04/statistics-argentina
So, the sad truth is out Potty Paul is actually living in a mental institution, that explains a lot. I wonder if its the same one that Nostril is banged up in? Country Club is actually an Argentinian euphemism for a looney bin!
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder which one will claim he is actually Napoleon or Spock first?
118 lsolde (#)
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have always treated you with respect and wait the same for me. We have different position but it does not allow me to insult you.
The UN is an organization founded in part by UK and where they have a privileged position. If you like the resolution taken by UN everything is OK, but when you dislike the resolutions you say it is unuseful. You must be coherent.
About the ICJ, i have said it before. I think we dont go to it because the strategy selected is to claim for UN resolution compliment.
I can tell that we do not want your home or your work. We want the piece of territory that was stolen in 1833.
I believe you are not guilty of living in the islands as occupiers because it has been a lot of time since UK usurpation. So you haven't decided to be born there such as i haven't done it to be born here.
For me the one who is occupying and must leave and give us back the lands is the UK goverment. People should stay living in the islands, if they desire, because of course it is their land such as my city is for me.
@123 Yo,
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So you see Yo, the problem here is your attitude.
You say that this land was stolen from you in 1833 and that is a lie.
This land was never yours, so it could not have been “stolen” from you.
If you want to talk about “stolen” land, then what about Patagonia, which Argentina stole from the native peoples(after killing most of them, of course)& the land which Argentina stole from Paraguay in 1871?
You also talked about UK “usurpation”, well we cannot “usurp” what is really ours, can we Yo?
As l said, you have the wrong attitude.
This needs to change.
Finally the UK Government does not rule our land.
We rule it ourselves.
The UK Armed Forces are here to protect us from a foreign country (Argentina), that wants to conquer us keeps lying to the world about our country.
No Yo, l have no respect for you or your country because you want to steal mine.
123 Yo: “when you dislike the resolutions you say it is unuseful.” I assume that you are referring to the ones on the Islands. These all conflict with the requirements of the Charter in relation to the governance of NSGT's. Therefor, in the case of such conflict the Charter, as binding international law takes precedence. As for “We want the piece of territory that was stolen in 1833.” If this was true why hasn't Argentina requested the UNGA to ask the ICJ for an advisory opinion on the issue?
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0124 lsolde (#)
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont want to steal you anything. UK has stolen us and continues doing it with the oil explotation.
I will not change my point of view since is the one supported by the UN.
Although i do not share your position i respect you and understand it.
I think that respect is something we can not lose.
125 Terence Hill (#)
You assumed Ok.
We do not go to ICJ because our strategy is that UN resolutions must be complied.
I have been answering you all your question but you did not answer mine.
What does the queen give to you in exchange for all your money she expends?
And for the scots: Did UK make true all the promises they did to you before de referendum?
@123
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you need to learn a little more about UN resolutions. Firstly “resolutions” passed by the C24 are not resolutions are at all, they are proposed resolutions passed up to the 4th Committee for possible submission to the General Assembly as a whole. They only become resolutions of they are adopted by the General Assembly. There has not been a GA resolution on the Falkland Islands since 1988. Moreover, General Assembly resolutions are not binding, although the UK has in fact complied with every single one of them. This was confirmed by Ban Ki Moon in 2012 : “I don’t think Security Council members are violating relevant UN resolutions.”
http://en.mercopress.com/2012/11/12/ban-ki-moon-and-colonialism-people-should-be-able-to-decide-their-own-future
Of the UN resolutions that do exist, there is not a single one that upholds Argentina's claim to the islands. That is “not a single one” as in NONE. They call only for dialogue and peaceful settlement of the “dispute”, which are recommendations that nobody could possibly object to, except of course Argentina which chose war instead in 1982.
It follows from this, that the most which Argentina can possibly hope to achieve from its UN campaign is another non-binding GA resolution, which the UK can simply and legally ignore even if Argentina does manage to get one that explicitly favours its case passed. And yet Argentina declines to take its case to the only body that could materially advance its claim, the ICJ. So in effect Argentina is pursing a course it can't possibly win, while ignoring the only course it could win.
Doesn't this make you just a little suspicious of what you're being told?
126 Yo: “We do not go to ICJ because our strategy is that UN resolutions must be complied.” Resolutions are none-binding political chaff, it is obvious to any impartial observer, that Argentina believes their claim has no legal merit.
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0126 Yo (#)
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 02nd, 2015 - 01:10 pm
It is very sad when a poster of obvious intelligence and good intentions such as yourself repeats the tired old propaganda that has been peddled by ALL our governments since 1941.
I am fortunate to have been born and partially educated before this propaganda became part of the primary education in our state schools. My grand parents remembered the times when Islanders and Argentines traded amicably as any other neighbours. My parents, especially my father had several friends from the islands who would visit us at our home. In those days nobody ever thought of the “Malvinas” being part of Argentina, the islands were known as “Las Falkland” and the Islanders as “Kelpers”. The whole mythology of the “Malvinas Argentinas” started with Don Alfredo Lorenzo Palacios in 1934 when he published a book in which he claimed that the islands belonged to Argentina. Perón on his return from Italy in 1941 suggested to the ruling military government that it would be a good idea to take up Palacios' cry of “Malvinas Argentinas” as Britain was probably going to lose the WWII. And there was the start of the Malvinas Myth which holds about 50% of Argentines in thrall to the government of the day just like Pavlov's dogs!!!!!!
My question to all “malvinistas” is: If we are awarded the Islands, will there be no more insecurity in the streets, no more drug problem, no more inflation, no more 27.6% poverty, no more unemployment, no more default and no more government corruption??????????
127 HansNiesund (#)
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A war needs at least two sides. Argentina took the desicion of taking the islands and UK sent their ships and troops.. Why they did not negotiate?
It would not have been a war in that case.
They could be claiming in the ICJ. Why not???? They love the war.... tell me one war in the whole world where the english are not involved.
Remember that before UK took the island we had to repel two english invasions to Buenos Aires. They always wanted to have presence in south atlantic and the made it when they stole us the islands.
130 Yo (#)
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 02nd, 2015 - 03:28 pm
...They could be claiming in the ICJ. Why not???? They love the war.... tell me one war in the whole world where the english are not involved“...
I think you do not understand that the British, not the English have no reason to take this case to the ICJ, it is OUR GOVERNMENT that is claiming sovereignty, the British understand that they already have sovereignty over the Islands. It is up to OUR GOVERNMENT to take the case to the ICJ in the hope that they decide in our favour which is so unlikely that I would say we have about 0.0001% of hope of success.
Our politicians have no wish to be awarded sovereignty over the Falklands, all they want is to be able to get people like your good self to salivate when you hear the call ”Malvinas Argentinas“ and thus you forget all about the great problems we face and rush out into the streets and shout ”Viva” for whatever government is pulling your strings!!!!!!!
130 Yo: ”A war needs at least two sides...Why they(UK) did not negotiate? ” Give yourself a shake, only one instigated aggression, and ignored a legally binding UNGA resolution. The UK responded in manner that was afforded them by international law. If that doesn't take the cake, the criminal blaming the victim is simply the fallacy of an argumentum ad hominem.
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@130
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember those UN resolutions you were complaining about earlier? UNGA 2065 in particular, the one calling for peaceful resolution of the “dispute”?
Can you explain how Argentina launching a war of aggression in response t0 UNGA 2065 constitutes peaceful resolution of the “dispute”?
“”A war needs at least two sides. Argentina took the desicion of taking the islands and UK sent their ships and troops.. Why they did not negotiate?
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would not have been a war in that case.“”“”
LMFAo..
yeah, that works.
Country A INVADES country B, and its country B's fault for defending themselves.
If country A had strong case why didnt they go to the ICJ instead of INITIATING a war???
BECAUSE they dont have a strong case, so they invaded a peaceful island instead.
Argentina STARTED the war, only a revisionist idiot would even consider otherwise.... and as the UN backed - the UK was not only LEGALLY allowed to defend itself AND retake its sovereign territory, it was BACKED by the UN in doing so.
So take the entire “I'll make my case sound better by re-writing history” and present it to people who are so blinkered and indoctrinated by lies that they will believe anything - sensible people will do as we do: and just laugh at you.
Idiot.
I dont want to steal you anything. UK has stolen us and continues doing it
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now there is brain washing , and their is indoctrination,
anyone anywhere who refuses or chooses not to listen to the truth,
is certainly one of the above, unless they can prove any different..
l think that we are wasting our time with friend Yo, folks.
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 10:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He or she would have been indoctrinated since Primary School.
What a pity that it has come to this.
We used to have such good relations with Argentina.
We helped fuel their prosperity in the 19th century.
But, only they can start to get good relationship going again.
l feel for Argentines like Simon68, but what can we do?
The ball is in their court.
Agreed
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0135 Briton (#)
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0anyone anywhere who refuses or chooses not to listen to the truth,
It is amazing how british believe the own the truth. you should be a bit more lowly.
136 lsolde (#)
If you try to change my mind i agree with you , you are wasting your time . If you want to share your opinions respectfully Then are not wasting it .
i have done 2 questions to you and did not recieve an answer.
What does the queen give to you in exchange for all your money she expends?
And for the scots: Did UK make true all the promises they did to you before de referendum?
Could you answer them?
@138:“Did UK make true all the promises they did to you before de referendum?”
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Legislation is in the works. Devolution of powers takes a good bit of changing laws to remove jurisdictions and controls, and there's a lot of laws that will have to be changed.
Cameron's currently wanting to add in this “EVEL” rule he wants, which quite frankly I don't see a problem with - if we get sole control over things that will affect only Scotland, why shouldn't England get the same?
On the war:
“A war needs at least two sides. Argentina took the desicion of taking the islands and UK sent their ships and troops.. Why they did not negotiate?”
When you invade another nation's sovereign territory (as Argentina did), subjugate the inhabitants (as Argentina did), and refuse to leave when a binding Resolution tells you (as Argentina most certainly did), that's what starts a war.
As Simon68 @129 pointed out, the Malvinas Lie didn't take steam until 1934 when Don Alfredo Lorenzo Palacios he published a book in which he claimed that the islands belonged to Argentina.
Less than a decade later, it was being shamelessly taught in the schools.
We do indeed have the truth on our side - not because we say so, but because we can *prove* so.
UN Resolutions require a peaceful conclusion to the dispute, that's true, but that can just as easily be resolved - and quicker too - by Argentina taking the case to the ICJ.
The real reason that doesn't happen because there is no case.
@138 Yo,
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You didn't ask me these questions, you have just now.
But l couldn't be vexed in answering them.
Do your own research & find out for yourself, its not hard.
Also l don't care if you change your mind or not.
What you believe is your affair.
However, you still have never owned the Falklands & you never will.
The Falklands belong to the Falklanders & NOT to Argentina.
But have a nice day.
138 Yo (#)
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jul 03rd, 2015 - 11:21 am
...“What does the queen give to you in exchange for all your money she expends?”...
As a very elderly Argentine person who loves to teach, I will answer this question for you. The Queen, or King, gives the British people a stable parliamentary democracy. This stability comes from the fact that the head of state is a permanent fixture instead of a figure that changes with each democratic period.
Your second question has been ably answered by 139 CKurze30k.
So a monarchical figure guarantees democracy???? what a contradiction!!!
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So how could you explain that USA does not have a monarchy and they have always lived in democracy??
Monarchy is a lie. That people live from the people who realy work, expend lot of money and they do not do anything.
Think about it.
142 Yo “So a monarchical figure guarantees democracy???? what a contradiction!!!” You would have my complete agreement if it was an absolute monarchy. But, it is a constitutional monarchy as a result of the Magna Carta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta and the English Civil War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta “established the precedent that an English monarch cannot govern without Parliament's consent,” “a sovereign who reigns but does not rule.”. Try and educate yourself, it gets very boring dealing with your abysmal ignorance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is amazing how british believe the own the truth. you should be a bit more lowly,,
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then one would suggest YOU tell us what the truth is then, rather than denying our truths.
Monarchy is a lie,
their you go again, Monarchy is what the people make it to be, some have a monarchy and some a president , some even live under dictatorship,
we have a monarchy, if you don't like it, that's your problem not ours,
you have a president-do you not.
143 Terence Hill (#)
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Try and educate yourself, it gets very boring dealing with your abysmal ignorance.”
You are not forced to answer me. If you do it, it is because you want.
I know what you say and even that i can not really understand her funtion.
what does the queen really do??
“a sovereign who reigns but does not rule.”
So what does she do??? which is her funtion in addition to expend lot of your money.
The monarch and his or her immediate family undertake various official, ceremonial, diplomatic and representational duties. As the monarchy is constitutional, the monarch is limited to non-partisan functions such as bestowing honours and appointing the Prime Minister. The monarch is, by tradition, commander-in-chief of the British Armed Forces. Though the ultimate formal executive authority over the government of the United Kingdom is still by and through the monarch's royal prerogative, these powers may only be used according to laws enacted in Parliament and, in practice, within the constraints of convention and precedent..
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0145 Yo: “what does the queen really do??” That's exactly why I have posted links, so you can't claim you don't understand, if you can't be bothered to follow and read them. Otherwise, I don't have an effective remedy for the lazy and stupid.
Jul 04th, 2015 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@145 Yo
Jul 04th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The function of the Queen within our political system, is to regulate Parliament.
The Queen calls Parliament into session and then dismisses it and calls an election when appropriate.
This prevents any individual Government from trying to stay in power longer than its term, it also allows for deeply unpopular/failing Governments to be removed before the end of their term.
The most recent example was in Australia, although it was a Governor General acting with the Queens authority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam
Something like 20 countries in the world have this system of government, all leading liberal democracies.
Perhaps 145 would like to ask, how parliament runs , how the government operates,
Jul 04th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0overseas aid or the military perhaps,
or would it be better if one concentrates on ones own failing country.
148 Pugol-H: “it also allows for deeply unpopular/failing Governments to be removed before the end of their term.” such an act would be beyond the monarch's or their representative's prerogative. In the Gough Whitlam case it is my opinion that the Governor General was wrong. As he didn't follow the precedent set by George VI in 1911, in dealing with crisis perpetuated by the House of Lords refusal to pass Lloyd George's budget.
Jul 04th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@150 Terence Hill
Jul 05th, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well he did it, he must have had legal advice beforehand with such a momentous action and as far as I am aware there has been no change in the protocol since then.
As far as I can see you only have a problem if you try and dismiss a Parliament where the Government can still command a majority or close to. The question being whether the Government in question still has the ability to Govern.
Ultimately Gough Whitlam said “well may we say God Save the Queen, for nothing will save the Governor General when I am re-elected”.
He then lost the election by a landslide.
Getting rid of deeply unpopular/failing Governments seem to be a very popular thing to do.
151 Pugol-H: Perhaps there is some Australian constitutional statute that permitted the GG's action that your not aware of. The question finally was answered by Gough calling for an election. But to me it remains a somewhat troubling constitutional problem when a democratically government is dismissed. Especially when on the only previous similar occasion the monarch George V reluctantly threatened to give the government enough members to pass a monetary bill in the Upper House. The only difference I suspect is that the Australian senate is elected. While democracy remains paramount, there are limits. If it's your contention that a government should automatically fail on every occasion that they got into rough-water then no government would be stable.
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