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Argentina's threat against Falklands' oil companies with no impact on markets
The Argentine court order that assets of several international oil companies drilling for oil in the Falkland Islands be seized has caused mild turbulence in their share prices. Tierra del Fuego judge Lilian Herraez ordered the authorities to seize bank accounts, boats and other assets worth an estimated US$156mln. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“It is an outrageous piece of bullying and threatening against the Falkland islanders’ perfect right to develop their own economic resources and Argentina needs to stop this kind of behavior and start acting like a responsible member of the international community”.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0AND SO SAY ALL OF US!
Argentina barks..... and the world fails to notice!
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Chicken Little's.
AND SO SAY ALL OF US, FOR HE'S A JOLLY GOOD FELLOW, FOR HE'S A JOLLY GOOD FELLOW, AND SO SAYS ALL OF US. LMFSO
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0“London has sovereignty”
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Liar, Uk has not sovereignty over these territory...
Premier Oil PLC (PMO.L) -LSE Ticker: 43G057/ISIN: GB00B43G0577
Has lost in the opening -2.05% value sinse 8Am to 09:22 AM
Yesterday’s Close: 151.30
Now falling like stone 148.00 -3.30 down
@4 Buy now, DB. When the few that doubted realise Argentina are all fur coat and no knickers, the price will shoot up. You know you need the money.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Liar, Uk has not sovereignty over these territory...”
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't lie - you lie, remember?
The UK has held sovereignty since the 1800s, apart from two failed attempts by Argentina to usurp the Islands.
If Argentina wishes to dispute sovereignty, it can do so at the ICJ, which is the civilised and fair method of resolving this dispute.
Illegally claiming British territory and attempting to steal the properties of companies operating within the waters of that territory is *not* a reasonable resolution of any part of the dispute.
Until Argentina can prove their claim at the ICJ, they have no right to take these actions, and in doing so are firmly and undisputably in the wrong.
Who has sovereignty Dany?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0(PS: Everyone watch this! Ypi never get an answer to this)
ARGENTINA ALWAYS THE VICTIM. My 6 year old German Shepherd as more sense and balls than this lot of European immigrants ,primary school children behave better.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0DannyB.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Uk has not got Sovereignty you say - well WHO has? because I sure cannot see any sky blue and white flags about as dawn comes over Stanley!
Quite a few Blue ones with a sheep and an island in the centre and the Union flag top left corner though.
@4 DanyBerger,
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are a goose, Dany.
Or a goat.
Or just plain stupid.
I have a simple question for 4 Dany Berg no wind up and would like an honest answer
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0During 1982 when argentine forces took control of The Falklands why did the UN issue a binding ruling for argentine forces to leave
@4 - The overall market is just taking a hit from the Greek financial situation. The tide going out a bit is lowering all the boats... at the moment. It may or may not get still lower for a time, but it'll be back.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 8 - Amen brother.
It's really difficult for any Argentina actions to surprise me, it's all so simplistic and PREDICTABLE. Even more so with elections forthcoming there. I could write the future government press releases from my desk, right here, right now. Oh the drama!
On top of everything else, unless Argentina wants to do something militarily (which they dare not), who cares what some politically motivated, unimportant, powerless judge rules?
London has Sovereignty...?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0London...the city of London...?...are they having a larff....?
Anyone care to show me the Internationally recognised document or UN resolution that verifies this...?
How about the Student of History...this poster is bound to know...
According to publications at the time Britain abandoned them in favour of Spain...
In the Letters of Junius (an opposition journal), “the 1771 arrangement was denounced because, it was alleged, the restoration was only temporary and was a prelude to the future cession of British rights in the Falklands. ”
In Brooke's General Gazetteer, in 1774.....“the settlement was abandoned, and the Islands ceded to Spain.”
Anecdotes of the Life of the Right Honourable William Pitt, .... “important addition, upon which [the 1771 Declaration was obtained . . .,that the British Forces should evacuate Falkland Islands as soon as convenient”. It was later stated that the Islands “were totally evacuated and abandoned . . . and have ever since been in the possession of the Spaniards.”
The British Encyclopaedia ....Port Egmont “was abandoned in consequence of a private agreement between the Ministry and the Court of Spain”.
The British Naval Chronicle, having referred to the war preparations of 1770-1 and the subsequent British withdrawal, observed that ....“these Islands so pertinaciously claimed by the English, were ceded to Spain”.
I suppose they must all have been wrong as it appears that London has Sovereignty....
Cue...Terrence Hill....;-)
Nobody cares what the corrupted courts of Argentina thinks.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will get tossed in the trash at US State.
It kills Rgs to have to acknowledge their impotence. Hard to have their delusions of being macho made fun of....
Ha Ha Voice, Argie Troll in a skirt, no doubt uses makeup too. Blows into a bag and squeaks from the nether region almost constantly Scotch equivalent of a big girls blouse! Idiota.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Argie trumpeting, pathetic. Like a crying child in the park.
Who has sovereignty Voice?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0(PS: Everyone watch this! You never get an answer to this)
Why is it that Rgidiots like to go back to a couple hundred years ago to prove something like the present doesn't matter at all?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not a bright bunch.
Skip...
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN only recognises that the UK has de facto administration, not Sovereignty...
Otherwise there would be no dispute...would there...?
No one recognises UK Sovereignty....well... apart from the UK....
Fred...in that case I reckon the UK still has Sovereignty over the 13 Colonies...after all what does it matter that a couple of hundred years ago North America said different...the present is obviously irrelevant...
I want your “design featured” property...
It will fit nicely in my garage....are the decorators finished and is it ready for shipping...?
No stupid sistah, you're the one going back a couple hundred years to point to irrelevant historical facts but not considering the present.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The present matters a lot more than the past.
Remember that when you're drunk on the bar stool just about getting your dirty teeth knocked in for being too mouthy.
Someone pointed me to your house online. The estimated worth wouldn't even get you a studio where I live. Maybe a few parking spaces. Nada mas.
Trying to be a big man online while in reality you're poor, stupid, low class and will never be anything more.
fred...Fred...FRED!!!
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cool... 500k parking spaces...I'm in....
Soooo..... which magazine do I have to look at then...?
How is your 30 year mortgage coming along....
You do of course realise that the bank owns your property...not you...?
and will for decades yet....
You have nothing but debt...just like the majority of the US.....
Me....7 properties owned outright...no mortgages....you being the Economic wizard...work it out....;-))))
After what happened to THE LAST judge that was about to out Kirchner for what she really is then this dirty looking female excuse of a judge had no option but to tow THE KIRCHNER LINE.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sistah, Give it up. I know exactly what you are and your lies and half truths in the ether don't make you any more than the low class, uneducated, mouthy drunk than you have always been in real life.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Loneliness and Cheeseburgers are a dangerous mix.
Which magazine Fred....I can't wait....
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who reckons I'll be waiting an awfully long time...hands up...;-)))
Hahahaha! Voice with 7 properties! Have you seen the property prices in Dunoon? Anyone from the South of England can probably afford to buy half tbe town by selling up and moving there. Its where people who cant afford a normal decent property end up. Damp, dismal, guest houses full of benefit scroungers etc.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any Yank selling up could afford a massive property portfolio in Dunoon. But, who in their right mind would want to. Its as bad as having a trailer somewhere in rural
As it was, the Yanks couldnt wait to get out of the place (after screwing all the women of course)
#13 Why thank you I am keen on how historical facts can be used for propaganda purposes and I do try and look at each position to ascertain what actually happened.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The documented historical facts indicate that a Spanish fleet did arrive at Saunders Island in 1770 and obliged the small British garrison to leave. An international crisis followed, which was only resolved in 1771 when Spain agreed that the British settlement should be restored and three ships sailed out to re-establish British authority in September 1771.
It was short lived because in 1774 the government in London decided to withdraw their settlement on grounds of economy. The garrison left in May of that year, leaving behind a lead plaque asserting British sovereignty.
I must admit I have not seen or been able to verify you statement
(The British Naval Chronicle, having referred to the war preparations of 1770-1 and the subsequent British withdrawal, observed that ....“these Islands so pertinaciously claimed by the English, were ceded to Spain”.)
But I am happy to have my research widened but it still dose not explain why in 1774 when Britain withdrew a plaque was left asserting sovereignty if your reference is correct. How ever in the following years we have the biggest mis direction and the one Argentine government are not so accurate, the whole Vernet’s episode and which was finally put to bed by the appointment of the first lieutenant-governor in 1841 which has a direct line of replacement to the present day
Which leads me to believe Argentina have no Historical Case not that any of that matters as Self determination trumps all other legal arguments and Argentina et al failed to have Falklands excluded from this by a significant majority of the full UN assembly.
#18 on the issue of Soverinty why in 1982 did the UN issue its only binding agreement ordering Argentina to remove its forces if the UN did not recognise the UK Soverinty ....
hahaha you're so jealous of me.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you really want an update my designer and an editorial photographer were on-site a couple weeks ago. The pre-pictures were taken for the mag editorial board.
I still have to finish my office and I don't like the colors that were chosen for the kitchen so I think I am going to re-do that too.
Jealousy is bad for your nervous system.
You should learn to control it and just accept your terrible lonely life it will never get better otherwise.
16 Skip
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ who has sovereignty?”
and you are right, no answer from Sistah Voice.
I sure don't hear the mealy mouthed blowhard, or his puppet Dany, saying Argentina has sovereignty.
Chuckle - back to the pub...
27. Tory, Sistah is very concerned the massive amount of taxes that he pays is going to defend something that is not part of the UK.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why someone from Scotland is on this board defending the Rgs.
Who does it think its kidding?
I can't image the crazy that comes out of its mouth in person.
Not sure why anyone wants to engage with The Voice a Scottish drunk and Nicola Sturgeons left TIT
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankee, he is a lonely man. Voices Mrs ran off with a Yank, his kids cant stand him and neither can the bar flies in the club.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hates the English too. Local research by Scotch spies will soon reveal the reasons.
Do 'properties' include trailer homes in Pennsylvania?
30. Clearly.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor Voice bitter and twisted you would feel more at home moving to Argentina there again the slums of Glasgow are probably more suitable for you with THE GENEROUS benefits you probably receive. NICOLAS LEFT TIT
Jun 30th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Voice loves being popular! TIT is just about correct.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dirty sweaty beer stained tit to be exact
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 DanyBerger: “Uk has not sovereignty over these territory...” Apparently the experts would not agree with you.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Territorial Integrity Author: Michael Wood
Introduction / Definition:
“The principle of territorial integrity is an important part of the international legal order and is enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, in particular in Article 2, paragraph 4”[1] (the prohibition of the use of force), as well as in other important texts, including those on self-determination. The concept includes the inviolability of the territory of the State, including territory under the effective control and possession of a State. The International Court has held that “the scope of the principle of territorial integrity is confined to the sphere of relations between States.”[2]
[1] International Court of Justice, Accordance with international law of the unilateral Declaration of Independence of Kosovo, Advisory Opinion, ICJ Reports (2010), para. 80.[2] Ibid.
13 Zombie, Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
”The Argentine assertion (first made in 1833) that Britain made a secret verbal promise to evacuate the Falklands is not true ... ...In 1833 British Foreign Secretary Viscount Palmerston asked the King's advocate, Sir Herbert Jenner, to peruse the relevant documents in the British archives. Jenner's1 findings disproved any idea of a secret promise, and all the relevant documents were later sent to Argentine Charge d'Affaires Manuel Moreno to prove this point. Moreover, not all Argentine historians believe that Britain made a secret agreement to leave at the time of the 1771 agreement. Diego Luis Molinari says the British did say they would leave - but did not say so in a ministerial capacity.2 Professor Dolzer also agrees that “no legally binding agreement was made”3.
1 Public Record Office (PRO), London, CO 78-1, p. 285.
2 Molinari 1961, p. 40.
3 Dolzer 1993, pp. 47 and 48.”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
Sinc
@4. Sorry. Not responsible for the content of articles by MercoPress staff writers. Should have read “Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth has sovereignty”. As Her Majesty's armed forces proved in 1982. You common serfs need to show proper respect. Even your slave overseers demand that.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@13. Don't be a stupis scotch turd all your life. Let's see the UN resolution that says spain is sovereign. Or France. Or Italy. Or scotchland.
@18. Here's a clue. Remember 1982? Here's an article for you to read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uti_possidetis
if you can manage the long words.
@20. I don't think that 6 latrine trenches and a dog kennel count as 7 properties. Let's see the deeds.
Distraction.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rotting roadkill: Pay your debts.
I can see folk were none too happy about all those BRITISH publication quotes from that particular period @13 ...were they all confused...?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a good idea...why not call Voice names instead of explaining their error....that is bound send him off course....
Nope it hasn't....
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The British were chancing their arm leaving a plaque as they were well aware of the agreement that states....
“Britain and Spain were able to reach an agreement, formalised by an exchange of documents in London on 22 January 1771.The British settlement was to be restored to the situation it had been in on 10 June 1770. However, the Spanish declaration contained a disclaimer that restoration of the settlement ”CANNOT NOR OUGHT IN ANY WISE TO AFFECT THE QUESTION OF THE PRIOR RIGHT OF SOVEREIGNTY“ OVER THE ISLANDS.”
It is Britain that have no historical case....occupying the islands when they were already occupied...is hardly a case...
It is Argentina that is disputing the soveignty of the FALKLANDS NOT SPAIN.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway the British inherited Tierra del Fuego or so they say. THE FALKLAND ISLANDS belong to the FALKLANDERS by inheritance , father to son etc
As I said whatever happened 200+ yrs ago matters little to the current staus.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkanders are there to stay.
Voice
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain voluntarily left the islands in 1811 and took whatever sovereignty Spain claimed with them.
Not a single solitary one of those Spaniards became Argentine....not one...none.
So, the fact that Spain had a sovereignty claim (disputed) is utterly irrelevant. They chose to abandon it, and the islands.
Tte fact that Argentina claims the sovereignty is automatically ceded to them is nonsense. There is no precedent where territory 1000 miles away is automatically ceded to another country, especially when not a single solitary one of the inhabitants became Argentine.
Vernet was next, again he voluntarily left the islands leaving the British Dickson and the British Brisbane in charge. hardly the actions of a rabid defender of Argentine sovereignty....more someone defending his business.
So we come back to the 50 mutinous and murderous crew of the Sarandi who arrived in November 1832 and were evicted in January 1833.
If you genuinely believe that 3000 islanders should give up their homes and businesses, be governed by a hostile power because 200 years ago, 50 mutineers were evicted...you are more stupid that I gave you credit for.....ah yes that's right...you are THAT Stupid!
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Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what you are saying is Britain voluntarily left the islands in 1774 and took whatever Sovereignty Britain claimed with them....
That was after occupying islands that were already occupied....is that a legitimate claim...?
...and next to occupy the abandoned islands were Britain....
or was it a governor appointed by Argentina....?
one of the two....
Or do you have a different version...?
Stupid monkey...next you will typing out the complete works of Shakespeare if we leave you long enough.....
38 Zombie, Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Jun 30th, 2015 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“... Britain and Spain were able to reach an agreement,... ...It is Britain that have no historical case” “That is untrue. Such a reservation of Spanish rights had originally been proposed in December 1770 during the negotiations, stating that the agreement ”cannot prejudice the anterior rights of the king of Spain to those islands”, but at British insistence this was removed from the final text of the Anglo-Spanish agreement. The agreement as actually signed in London on 22 January 1771 merely stated:... that the engagement of his said Catholick Majesty [the king of Spain], to restore to his Britannick Majesty the possession of the port and fort called Egmont, cannot nor ought in any wise to affect the question of the prior right of sovereignty of the Malouine islands, otherwise called Falkland's Islands. 5
In other words, the question of the prior right of sovereignty was left as it had been before the dispute 'both countries' rights were left untouched, Britain's as well as Spain's. That was confirmed by Dr Samuel Johnson, the major British literary figure of the second half of the 18th century, in one of the most famous pieces of writing on the Falkland Islands.
5. From Spain's declaration; original French text in British and Foreign State Papers 1833-1834 (printed London 1847), pp. 1387-1388;
6.Samuel Johnson, Thoughts on the Late Transactions Respecting Falkland's Islands, London 1771, p. 38.”
Getting it right: the real history of the Falklands/Malvinas by Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper
So let me get this straight Terry...
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain was not the first to discover the Islands...
Britain was not the first to occupy the Islands...
Britain was not the first to colonise the Islands...
Yet Britain claims sovereignty over all the islands...
Am I missing something here as it appears Britain has no historical case...
Sistah, Why don't you ever realize when you lost and make yourself look like a fool.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I bet that happens to you a lot
and then you end up face down on the bar floor wondering what's become of your life.
then you start again the next day.
oohhhhhh
Jun 30th, 2015 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain was not the first to discover the Islands...
Britain was not the first to occupy the Islands...
Britain was not the first to colonise the Islands...
Yet Britain claims sovereignty over all the islands...
Am I missing something here as it appears Britain has no historical case...
very interesting point,,
but but,,
Argentina was not the first to discover the Islands...
Argentina was not the first to occupy the Islands...
Argentina was not the first to colonise the Islands...
Argentina has never administered the islands
Yet Argentina claims sovereignty over all the islands...
Am I missing something here as it appears Argentina has no historical case
or any case at all.
just a copying thought....
One thing is crystal clear, Voice cannot accept that he is wrong. Pointless arguing with a tit. The Argies never existed in 1833 , an illegal garrison was thrown out in 1833, they got thrown out in 1982. Islanders upset Voice in 1982 when he was blowing his bagpipes on Mt Longdon. Meanwhile a Yank ran off with his Mrs back in Dunoon. Now he is pissed off little Mac… QED
Jun 30th, 2015 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rockhopper (RKH) share price dropped like stone today...
Jun 30th, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-3.26% value lost
As so many others have already stated: the Islands belong to the islanders. They choose to be British, but that is their choice. Those people were living there before the country of Argentina even existed.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is more interesting though, is Argentina's claim to South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands. Those islands were never mentioned in the Spanish land tracts, and were never mentioned by Argentina until the 20th century. Argentina's claim to those islands is purely based on the grounds that those islands are closer to them than to the UK, therefore they must be Argentine somehow.
Another issue to consider: The Argentine fishing industry is near collapse due to overfishing and gross mismanagement. If Argentina was to take control of 1/3 of the entire South Atlantic, we would be facing an enormous ecological disaster. Has anyone ever pointed that out to the UN?
It really doesnt matter what either Argentina or Britain think, or the C24... the UN principle of self determination means that, inevitably, the Falklanders will have sovereignty.
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That said - Argentina gave up any and all claims when they signed that treaty of perfect friendship - BIG oops on their part if they ever tookit to a court...
which we all know they wont...
because all but the blinkered idiocracy of Argentina realise their case was sunk by that treaty ignoring everything and anything else ever said or done, past, present or future.
tough titties Voiceyboy
48 DanyBerger
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Rockhopper (RKH) share price dropped like stone today...”
WOW!!! I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I thought that Skip had been a little too hard on you of late.
Turns out of course that you really are that stupid and that Skip was right all along.
DO NOT FLATTER YOURSELF, the share prices went down today due to nervous traders worrying about a Greek exit from the Euro.
argentina's whining and moaning like little b*tches had no effect at all.
Now go git back in yo' box 'for I turn the hose on you.
DannyBurger - whose 'stones' drop less, later and slower than any other on the planet....
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-0
'Yet Britain claims sovereignty over all the islands...
Jun 30th, 2015 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Am I missing something here as it appears Britain has no historical case...'
I will keep it easy for you, Voice. Argentina never inherited Spain's claim for the simple reason it was at the time legally impossible for it to have done so. So any rights Spain may have had it still had in 1833, and therefore it was Spain's prerogative to complain about British actions. Spain never did, so lost any rights through acquisitive prescription. Argentina never established any rights.
44 Zombie, Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Jun 30th, 2015 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me add some of the omitted pieces, the Peace of Utrecht, which explicitly bars any and all Argentine claims of succession, Nootka Convention, Convention of Settlement, acquiescence, extinctive prescription, and not one solitary piece of international law that supports Argentina's spurious claim.
WHO has sovereignty Voice?
Jun 30th, 2015 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I suspected, and Troy noticed, you won't answer the question.
Someone has to have it!
So WHO has it Voice? A one word answer will suffice.....
WHO has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands at this very point in time?
For goodness sake Skip...do I really have to spell it out to you...
Jun 30th, 2015 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not one country has established what can be deemed indisputable Sovereignty of the Islands, that is recognised by the UN and the International community...
The UK has Administration and that is it...
Read it yourself....
Territorial Status...
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is the administering Power of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas).
http://www.un.org./en/decolonization/pdf/falkland_islands.pdf
The pressure keeps building up...and the effects are noticeable. Britain, get ready to greet back 2,000 of your citizens!
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 Enrique
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too much pressure- I can't contain myself any longer...
Ha ha ha ... pffft!!!
Ah, that's better!
Enjoy your CANADA DAY tomorrow, Enrique!!
“”“The pressure keeps building up...and the effects are noticeable.”“”
Jun 30th, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0erm.. where is their pressure...other than in your right hand over pictures of TMBOA?
there is absolutely zero pressure - its all hot air, like Timmermans “promise” to put Argentine court claims to the stock exchange etc - NOBODY CARES...
you're a joke falling for an Argentine gag thats kept the mob happy for sixty years but has as much basis in fact as that Romero murderer has in being a fighter against colonisers - its ALL made up by your mad-house of leaders,
Reekie vomits up a delusional statement then fritters off not wanting to hear the replies.
Jul 01st, 2015 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a knob.
I pains me someone so old is so out of touch with reality.
56 Zombie, Voice, Vestige, Think, et al
Jul 01st, 2015 - 02:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is at issue is the relative legal positions and the UK's is unassailable, so it's immaterial what the UN or any other parties view is. As such opinions are relegated to vagaries of the realm of none-binding politics.
57 Enrique Massot
“The pressure keeps building up..” yeah remember what happened in Chile in 1973 when the government encroached on US companies interests.
So no one has sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, Voice?
Jul 01st, 2015 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just trying to get my head around this! Sovereignty does not have to be indisputable for it to exist. Nor is recognition by the UN or the entire international community a requirement. North Korea doesn't recognise South Korea and vice versa however does that mean these countries are not sovereign? Is China sovereign?
Where else in the world is there nations or countries without sovereignty? Or is the Falkland Islands the only place?
And what is an “administering power”?
But you accept that the EU and Commonwealth of Nations accept UK sovereignty?
Stupid Voice....thick as shit.
Jul 01st, 2015 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets try again...
Had the Spanish islanders NOT left in 1811 and had chosen to be Argentine...Britain would have been wrong to return.
BUT, they did leave and NONE of them became Argentine, thus making any Argentine claim of inheritance invalid.
Had Vernet and all of his followers unequivocally been representatives of Argentina (as opposed to a business with British permission to be there), had they made a success of their venture, had Vernet not left, leaving two Britons in charge...maybe just maybe (if you squint) you could imagine that was a symbol of Argentine sovereignty.....BUT they weren't.
Had Britain not responded immediately to the Sarandi, and Argentina actually built a successful penal colony, had they not murdered their own governor within 3 weeks of arriving and raped his wife in front of her children....maybe just maybe that could show Argentine sovereignty....but 50 folk for six weeks is not a working population.
So, 180 years, nine generations and a thriving community is a far stronger show of sovereignty.
Stupid Voice....makes himself look like the bitter pillock he is.
P.s. Freeedoooom....(oh no, shit his pants and voted No....LOL)
'SOVEREIGN STATE'. One which governs itself independently of any foreign power.
Jul 01st, 2015 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0So I guess Voice is right, the UK have handed over the majority of 'right to govern' to the Islanders, to collect taxes etc.
But, but.....the Falklanders chose via referendum to be a BOT and as such fall under the Sovereignty of the UK until they choose otherwise.
What is clear though is that Argentina has or ever had a claim to or sovereignty over the Falklands.
So Voice argue all you want that the UN only refers to the UK as administering power (in the decolonization committee docs), there is a big clue there Voice as to why they would be considered 'Administrators' in the 'Decolonization Committee'. Take your time, 'think' about it, think about the wording, think about the original purpose of the C24, NSGT's, independence, right to Govern etc.
Just to help you along, here is a paragraph from 1514 which might help you to understand why in the UN C24 the current holders of sovereignty of the 17 remaining NSGT's are considered administrators ....'
Convinced that all peoples have an inalienable right to complete freedom, the exercise of their sovereignty and the integrity of their national territory.
It appears, the idea behind the C24 decolonization committee is to allow people to exercise their sovereignty of their national territory. So it follows that as a NSGT, someone else must be exercising their sovereignty for them.....It's there in 1514 in black and white.
Monkeymagic @ 63
Jul 01st, 2015 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had the Brits not thrown the Argentine invaders off the Falklands in 1982, the islanders would now be living in exile somewhere else in the world.
ynsere @ 65:
Jul 01st, 2015 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're being a little optimistic.
Seeing as articles here revealed that the Argentine Junta planned to move Islanders who objected to their illegal occupation to the mainland (no doubt to be murdered), do you honestly believe they'd leave Islanders to be exiled?
Not to mention the allegations that when they were in danger of losing, the officers gave orders to use the Falkland Islanders as human shields and murder any who resisted.
And they wonder why the Islanders want Argentina to leave them alone...
Enrique Massot - what pressure keeps building on us?
Jul 01st, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0No pressure here? yes every now and then we get a different version of the same old tripe and bullshit emanating from Argentina- we have a laugh for a few minutes - sort of brightens a winter day really!
meanwhile normal personal- commercial and every other way of daily operations and life carries on - and the future grows as more plans are made and those already made become reality- all under our own control.
So- influence of Argentina over our lives? - A bit of a pain, makes life a bit more expensive in some areas - but we have working ways of avoiding and getting around all their bullshit - so just a good laughing point really.
If Argentina really meant business they would ban all flights from Argentine territory, or over it,
Jul 01st, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then the islanders would be begging for argentine mercy, right....lol
@57
Jul 01st, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain, get ready to greet back 2,000 of your citizens!”
But Enrique, I thought their rights were guaranteed under the Argentine constitution and everybody in Arengtina had their best interests at heart?
Surely Argentine Foreign Minister Wil E Hector Timerman wasn't lying when he told the UN last week that “Argentina has given the clearest guarantees that a national legal system may conceive to ensure full respect for the interests and way of life of the inhabitants of the Malvinas Islands. The first transitory provision of the Argentine National Constitution gives such assurances unconditionally.
That law is also accompanied by the widest social consensus in Argentina as to the need and the obligation to respect the interests and way of life of the local population. ”
I just don't know what to believe now ....
@57
Jul 01st, 2015 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The pressure keeps building up...and the effects are noticeable2
The effects are that Argentina don't run or occupy the Falklands and companies are still drilling for oil around the Islands despite limpdicked threats from Argentina. Argentina is like a bluebuzzer, annoying but easily swattable. So you are right, they are noticeable by their ineffectiveness.
Premier oil shareholders lost 59% of its investment in a year and continuing having heavy losses...
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just wonder what kind of idiot buys that crap???
@71 Daniel von Berger,
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A rich idiot?
Shares go up & down, bobo.
And why would it worry you anyway?
lts not your oil & its not your country, so why are you getting your knickers in a knot?
Could it be that you are secretly jealous?
Poor, poor deluded Argentina. sob, sob, sob.
71. Dany, How's your Peso Investment going? When I recommended you buy U$ it was at 4.50
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should look in the mirror if you want to see an idiot who buys crap.
@Isolde
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you explain to me how can I be jealous of someone who lost 59% of his capital?
@yankeeboy
Why I would bothered to explain to you things that you don't understand?
My investment in ArgieLand keeps going up measured in any currency performing excellent far well compared with any kind of investment I could made in US dollars o Euros.
I hope some perfomance for your US dollar assets.
Anyway thank you for your cornern
Bahaahahaha
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah sure it is.
The only people left in Argentina are the lazy and stupid that couldn't get out when they had the chance.
@75 yankeeboy,
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0DanyBerger is another loser, just seething with resentment.
He doesn't seem to understand finance at all.
When Argentina goes down the chute it will, of course be always someone else's fault.
Either Wall Street or the City of London.
Actually l'm surprised that he hasn't blamed the Jews.
@71
Jul 02nd, 2015 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Premier oil shareholders lost 59% of its investment in a year and continuing having heavy losses...”
Not as much as Argentina has lost...pay back your debts.
@ yankeeboy
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I could be Lazy and also stupid according with you but...
So as sure the sun will shine (As Jimmy Cliff wrote in his lyrics The Harder They Come) I can leave Argentina when I want and live in far more countries legally than you can ever dream.
Unfortunately, you don't have so many options and you are limited to ask for political asylum in Russia so you can become close friend of Edward Snowden or ask for a free residence in Tijuana http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/ when financial armageddon comes from the default of Puerto Rico and pension funds , banks, etc start to crash.
But be aware that if the man with the cat on his head (Donald T) become president you will not be able to cross to US anymore.
Ooooh! Yeaaaaah!
Well they tell me of profits up in the sky
Waiting for me when I buy
But between the day you've bough and when you trade
I never see profits so I just cry...
So as sure the shares will go down
I'm not gonna get my greenbacks that were mine
And then Paul Singer will come the shares will fall, one and all
Ooh Paul singer will come the shares will fall, one and all.
Come on BOBO sing...
http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/
@ lsolde
“He doesn't seem to understand finance at all”
You are so right that I am making huge profits in pesos while others lost 59% of thier capital buying crap.
Any logical explanation from you?
@Pete Bog
“pay back your debts”
I don't have any debt and you?????
@78 DanyBerger
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You are so right that I am making huge profits in pesos” - that is not a very sensible thing to boast about, is it? Surely the peso argentino is not the most valuable currency around?
I'd never live outside of the USA again. Travel yes, live no way. I am off to the Independance Day celebrations.
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dany, The only people I know without debts are poor people with bad credit. Debt is a great way to grow a business or buy a house. Its stupid to pay cash when you can get loans at 3-4% for 30yrs.
So either your poor or have bad credit or both.
I seem to remember having the exact same conversation with Voice (Sistah) you're not related by any chance are you?
Same defective gene?
Missing a chromosome or two?
@gordo1
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This shows the lack of understanding about economy you have...
A valuable currency doens't means profits per se.
Swiss Franks is far a more stable currency than the US dollar and its value is higher.
So according with you 319 millions of americans are idiots and loosing money becuase they don't have business in Switzerland o buy Swiss Franks?
The same example could be used against “Kuwaiti Dinar” what is value is 3.30 USD.
Come on Gordo why don't you go to buy KDs?
Look how dummy and brainwashed you are, bonds and shares in Argentina have won up to 100% in 4 months in 2015 in US dollar.
Merval25 fund in 4 months acumulated a profit of 50% meausred in US dollars.
BTW I hope you didn't buy crap shares of oil exploration companies in the Islands that have lost 59% of its value. did you?
So as you can see like your friend YankeeBobo you boys have no future in the financial advising business because you need to learn a lot first.
@YankeeBobo
“Dany, The only people I know without debts are poor people with bad credit. Debt is a great way to grow a business or buy a house”
Sorry, I don't need credit, I don't have debt and I alredy own a big house already paid.
Anyway Thank you for your concern in my personal economy situation.
SYL
80
Jul 03rd, 2015 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stupid Yank...and I'll give you the same reply...3-4% per annum that's 90-120 % over 30 years....
God knows how many years you are just paying interest before anything comes off the loan...
Paying cash is 0% over 0 years....
People who need to borrow are people who don't have sufficient money to pay cash...
...and that is the difference between you and me...
Enjoy your 30 year debt......pauper....
@81
Jul 04th, 2015 - 05:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, do you mean to say that companies are having to spend the money when at the exploration stage, surely not. Surely examining wells an capping them for future extraction must be bringing in billions of dollars right now.
@82 Voice,
Jul 04th, 2015 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0At last we agree on something.
We pay cash for anything we want.
lf we can't afford it, we don't buy it until we can.
By then we've more than likely decided that we didn't need it anyway.!
Have not been in debt since l bought a car in my university days.
l sleep easily at night, no financial worries.
Dany/Voice you have little understanding on how money works.
Jul 04th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I pay 10K a year in interest but my asset goes up 30K/year why the F wouldn't I get a loan?
That's why poor people stay poor....
Is it me or does everyone think Yankeeboy is struggling with arithmetic...?
Jul 04th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you pay zero interest, because you paid cash and the asset goes up your net profit is greater....
....that is why you will always be poor....Doh!
The likes of me enable you to borrow ....by the banks using our cash to lend to you...because you have none...
In other words if it wasn't for the likes of me...you wouldn't be able to have fcuk all....
...was that a double negative...I think it was....but it sounded better....
...ps...you don't have a property....the bank owns yours...;-))))
...pps...if you think I'm wrong...miss a few payments and then see who it belongs to...
Sistah, I really think you are stupid. There's no mathematical way that you can show you me you have more money when buying a property with 5K a month with cash as opposed to using credit over a decade.
Jul 04th, 2015 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you're so smart show me.
Use real numbers and current interest rates in the USA and take into account the tax advantages of having a mortgage.
Methinks you'll end up looking like a complete knob when I prove you wrong.
As usual
Go...
87 YB
Jul 05th, 2015 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why do you enable this ignorant poser?
He just wants to derail the thread to once again talk about himself.
He knows nothing about property ownership or finances, beyond what he reads on the 'net, and it has to be at least 20 years since he went any further than 5 miles from his rented bedsit in Dunoon.
Is he on the violent alcoholics No-Fly list, or is it just a matter of money??
He seems to deny the money reason...
Who cares, really?
Because I like to embarrass him and make him look like a knob.
Jul 05th, 2015 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@YankeeBobo,
Jul 05th, 2015 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! YankeeBobo financial guru and his wishful thinking...
Do you mean your asset going up like -59% Premier Oild shares or properties in Detroit perhaps?
Anyway the onlyone having a secure profit in your gambling scheme is your creditors, because they will foreclosure your asset in case you cannot afford to make due payments, plus a huge amount of lawyer fees and legal cost.
That is the reason why you have american falimilies with 2 mortgages strungling to sale their home to avoid foresclosure because one of the requirements is to calcel in full your mortgages first to be able to trasfer your properties to new buyers.
Buyers knowing this with chash offers less $$$ for your “wonderfull whishfull thinking” investmente because they know you are cornered by your banks.
You can find plenty of websites in US with people in that situation offering their home what also drag even more home values.
Sometimes sounds really funny to here americans saying that they own a house, a car, etc when in reality the real owners are the banks and credits cards companies.
You don't own anything until you pay in full for it.
87
Jul 05th, 2015 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your post doesn't make any sense...people on a fixed income can save their money, invest in the property market like Dany says in the foreclosure market...or buying cheap and adding value and selling...climbing the cash ladder....
My bad...I forgot who I was talking to....it's a case of the haves and the have nots....those that want to spend their lives earning a wage on a fixed income and those that want to make money....I've always been an employer not an employee...
It's fairly obvious that you are referring to your own situation....by the path you have chosen.....you are one of the have nots....
By your admission of having a 30 year mortgage....most people get the mortgage they can afford....the sensible ones get one over the least period....
Thirty Years.....you poor fool....enjoy your debt sucker.....;-))))
It's quite simple ....only a fool gives money away when they can afford not to...
CASH IS KING...
Yep, Stupid poor people who will die poor.
Jul 05th, 2015 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mathematics aren't your friend are they?
I knew you couldn't prove me wrong
Knob
Funny both of you think investment with debt is gambling.
Sad sad sad
@81 Dany Berger
Jul 05th, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your reply makes no sense at all. You must be a banker!
93 Gordo
Jul 05th, 2015 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Dany Berger” just like the lying poser, “voice”, have no inkling of use of credit to free Capital for investment - no understanding of Economics or Finance whatsoever.
I suspect they are both one and the same poster - passing away life in front of a keyboard, in a wretched Dunoon bedsit.
On Wed 3 June the exchange rate A$R to U$S was 9.02 and Friday 3 July it was 9.115, now I make that a devaluation of about 1.05 % in one month.
Jul 05th, 2015 - 05:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a fuckwit....instead of using credit (debt) to free Capital for investment....those that have it...might think it perhaps better to use Cash for investment...or even sell assets that they bought for cash and use it for more investment....
Jul 05th, 2015 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear....how the other half live....
I wonder what happens to the likes of Yankeepo'rboy if he loses his job..imagine having a 30 year debt around your neck ....for... well, thirty years....
Take no notice of Troy Tempest...I have it on good authority from my Chilean insider...that he is, in fact....me....
...you heard it here...second....
Voice, Either SFTU or prove me wrong
Jul 05th, 2015 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're such an idiotic knob.
I thought I already did...Cash is better than debt....Doh!...
Jul 05th, 2015 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jeez...dumb Yank....
Only in your head. prove it with math and with real world numbers not delusional gobbledygook that resides solely in your pea brain.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Use $5000 towards your monthly housing expense over a decade or more if you want.
I know you can't prove me wrong.
No way no how.
Go...
or leave the board all together....
Why would I use $5000 a month over a decade....?
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0That calculation is for the rank and file that have a fixed income...
That never bothered their arses to apply themselves in their youth to the pursuit of cash...
You and all the rest of these sheeple are victims of their own limitations....
I have had countless businesses....with one aim...to make money.....
Mortgages are for the likes of you.....
Know your place Po'boy Fred....
What kind of a person would need a 30 year Mortgage....?
...obviously someone without the cash....Doh!
...or are you now going to claim you had the money, but preferred to pay interest instead....;-)))
Voice, Retard, Sistah, 5K is a number that upper middle class working adults can put towards their housing expenses.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Use 10K a month if you want on say a u$3MM purchase. Which would fcking buy all of every town where you claim to have property.
Is this what you are known for?
Being a loudmouth Knowitall that is really just a drunk knob that everyone knows is a fool?
Haha...Fred....you have exposed yourself...the 5k a month is you and it's all you have...or will ever have...
Jul 06th, 2015 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fred the Financial Whizz...the Economic Guru.........Not...
Suburbia Fred....and his 30 year Mortgage....more like....;-))))
Po'boy Fred....is he jealous or what...?..he's almost foaming at the mouth...
I love it....;-))))
You're seriously mentally ill.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're been exposed to be a fraud once again.
Congratulations on looking like a knob again.
102
Jul 06th, 2015 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0voice is jumping up and down... “look at me, look at me...!!” , spittle flying...
I love it....;-)))
There is no doubt that it has a mental illness.
Jul 06th, 2015 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0and Im sure its not the first time its heard it...
@YankeeBobo,
Jul 06th, 2015 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The unique Dumbass here is you boy...
you make from the exception the main rule what distort all kind of possible realistic comparation for a realistic debate.
You say 5k USD is the amount what an Upper middle class can use to paid his mortgage. Really?
You are talking about a little amount of privileged people that only represents roughtly 10% in USA.
The average american family hardly arrive to earn 50k yearly
Lets see what is considered a upper middle class in US...
Someone earning an average pre-tax salary of 200k yearly that after paying contribution for his retirement scheme, health insurance scheme and taxes roughly
remains with 105k in his pocket.
So your upper middle class person ends up with a real U$s8,750 salary to afford living cost, car expenditure, food, clothing and financial liabilities.
If he has to pay a mortgage of 5k that will mean that almost 58% of his salary will be gone to pay the loan.
The remaining U$s3.750 will be gone as faster if he has a minimun descent living. And I'm talking of single person.
Only 12% up to 15% of americans meet the status of upper middle class according with your own figures.
Does he has an average non expensive car?
$760 monthly cost
Does he eat?
$400 in food from the super being conservative. No restaurants included.
Does he use clothes and shoes?
$500 month consevative budget no expesive brands, etc
Does he has tv and cable, internet, etc?
$70
Electricity?
$200
Gas bill?
$380
Housing maintenance?
$250 base on a property valued in 250k
With that much of $2.560 in expenses your Upper middle class covers his basic needs to live.
$1.190 left is not much money to do other things or have a social life or whatever can you imagine living like this for 30 years?
I don't, haha
American dream i mean ruin
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/02/article-2182646-0389D2E5000005DC-607_634x424.jpg
@106 DanyBerger,
Jul 06th, 2015 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Better there than in a BsAs slum.
At least they have a car, TV & spare clothes hanging on the fence.
l've lived in worse places when l had to.
The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Jul 07th, 2015 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0@108 Hepatia,
Jul 07th, 2015 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ho-hum! so what else is new?
108 Hepatia
Jul 07th, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will continue to suffer from Delusional disorder as long as you fail to take your meds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
“Forecasting future events is often like searching for a black cat in an unlit room, that may not even be there.” Steve Davidson
108 Hepatia
Jul 07th, 2015 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will belong to China, within 20 years.
Justice for Nisman!
111. China owns them now. Wait until next year when they try to collect.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Soy is dropping like a rock
and
it was unprofitable this year
I hope by next year they won't be able to buy the gas they need for the tractors or pay for the seed,
and I will laugh and laugh
112. Nasty remark, you should be ashamed of yourself. The government and fatcats of Argentina are won't feel the pinch, but ordinary people may well go hungry. And maybe emigrate to the US.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have soy in Uruguay and it's not true that it's unprofitable. It just not as profitable as it was.
Its not unprofitable in the USA either but it is in Argentina. For gosh sakes they're letting a years worth of apples and pears rot on the trees because its not worth it to pick them.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They've done this to their selves and the citizenry is complicit.
I have no sympathy for them.
They deserve exactly what they have coming.
@114 yankeeboy,
Jul 09th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because of their attitude to the Falkland lslands, l am in complete agreement with you.
The majority of the Argentine population support their government's plans for the Falklands, l have absolutely no sympathy for them either.
They have done it all by their little selves, they made their bed, now they can lie on it.
l do feel sorry for the intelligent non-malvinista Argentines, like Simon68 & others though.
What a pity it has had to come to this. We used to be friends.
Someone go back to the past & shoot Juan Peron!
All the deaths from 1982 can be laid at his door.
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