MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Dilma rejects any suggestion of stepping down and blames “a bunch of coup mongers”
Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff said in an interview published Tuesday in the daily Folha de Sao Paulo that there's no reason she should be ousted, so she has no fear being removed. Rousseff went further and accused certain sectors of the opposition of being “a bunch of coup mongers”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesCardoso is well regarded and should be careful not to damage himself getting too close to Neves. Who is well known as a rich playboy with extensive use of cocaine, who beat-up his female companion. His misbehavior was so widely known that his home state of Minas Gerais rejected his run for governorship out of hand.
Jul 08th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typical terrorist. It wasn't me. Except it both was and is. Lulu (Shout!) didn't know what was going on. Dildo doesn't know what's going on. Then they're both incompetent. What a good idea to sling them into 6ftx6ft cells for 50 years. On their own? Or should we pack another 30 criminals in with each of them. Just stand there and crap on the floor for 50 years. Stand there in the crap for 50 years. Lie down and get trampled underfoot if you wish. Just waiting for confessions!
Jul 08th, 2015 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps in 2030. Opposition ruling is backward!
Jul 08th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjNdYp2gXRY&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A&index=33
2 Conqueror
Jul 08th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Typical terrorist.” is another man's freedom-fighter, unless you're so completely undemocratic and approve of dictatorships. My understanding is she provided logistics support at the time, she never was involved in any combat situations. But, such behavior would be anything but reprehensible under those circumstances. But, then this is Brazil's internal affair and nothing to do with gringo's.
@ 4 Terence Hill
Jul 08th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“My understanding is she provided logistics support at the time, she never was involved in any combat situations.”
So she wasn't the cell leader of the cell that murdered an American Officer in front of his wife and children?
If she wasn't why did she claim she new nothing about her cell doing the murder.
Using your definition of freedom fighter Uruguay had a group who like to be called that but in reality were out to destroy the democratically elected government of Uruguay basically because they were fed up with them but they couldn't muster ANY support from the citizens.
They were and are in reality terrorists who murdered people for their own ends.
Once somebody with a brain realised that grouping Communists, Marxists, Socialists and any other bat-shit bunch of illiterate and innumerate morons together and calling them the Broad Front aka The Broad Fraud, the genie was out of the bottle, seemingly never to be returned.
The direct result of these turds was the battered government called in the army to quell this shit which should have been done from day one and all of them hanged.
5 ChrisR
Jul 08th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever you think she was involved in apparently didn't effect the sensibilities of Brazil's interpretation of the “rule of law.” Of course many radicles would have apposed the dictatorship. So would have unaligned centralists. But, regardless of your political persuasion only those who's views are so reactionary that they stand a little to the right of Attila the Hun, would get their knickers in a twist.
For example being apposed to the rule of law, and approving that police have unfettered discretion to carry out extra judaical executions.
6 Terence Hill
Jul 08th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The current political party in power is a scheme that has sucked the country dry for only their benefit for years, as the unsustainablity of the system that they preside over is now catching up with them and plummeting to earth it is destroying peoples lives, particularly the poor who were supposed to be lifted from their misery, the very people that this party has professed to be the saviour of.
Dilma is a financial terrorist that has made people suffer unneccessarily. She should be impeached, she is a blatant liar who with Lula have done very little for Brazil. After this current crisis is passed Brazil will be little better off in many respects to where they were when PT started. Wasted years, they are filth that only think for themselves and not for the long term benefit of a Brazil, which needed reform and hard decisions to better cope with a competitive world.
@ 6
Jul 08th, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not at all surprised at your response.
7 Tik Tok
Jul 08th, 2015 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“sucked the country dry for only their benefit for years,s” Is merely your simplistic biased personal opinion. My view, is that whatever party was in power, Brazil was going to go through a crunch. There is no single political philosophy that is a “cure all” for the periodic economic malaise's that countries go through, even with the best of intentions and ideas. Can the government be criticized, of course. The so called “best system” that political scientists have envisaged is the rather vague, “the murky-middle”. As to your claim that Dilma should be impeached has to be rational and based on some specific offense known in law. If it is your view that they have some how engaged in policies of social engineering that have damaged the economy. You'll have to be more specific as just don't see it. The taxation system has only been moderately used to balance somewhat the huge disparity between those that have been able to enjoy the largeness of past polices of favorable governments. If you compare the elites of Brazil to other first world countries, the policies are pretty benign.
The problem for the PSDB is that they have no grounds for impeachment. I hope that the comments made by Neves and Cardoso do not indicate that the PSDB is hunting for military thugs to do their bidding for them. Don't they realize that they have just recently lost a presidential election?
Jul 09th, 2015 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The original Fohla article:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/poder/2015/07/1652516-eu-nao-vou-cair-isso-ai-e-moleza-afirma-dilma.shtml
Terence - example Petrobras, more than 9 Billion (yes that's Billion) was taken as payoffs.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your comment “My view, is that whatever party was in power, Brazil was going to go through a crunch.”
The crunch is yet to come, either Brazil continues to be protective and they suffer the slow death, or they reform and they will suffer short term to make them better to compete.
Either way Brazil is screwed, the last option a better choice in my view that they can better compete in an increasingly global market place.
The ecomonic malaise that presently is occurring is a direct result of stupid economic policy over the last decade, incredible when Brazil during that time had never done so well.
DILMA AS PRESIDENT HAS MANIPULATED ACCOUNTS TO SUPPORT SPENDING TO EARN VOTES IN AN ELECTION YEAR - THIS POLICY EQUATES TO BRIBERY
11 Tik Tok: “DILMA AS PRESIDENT HAS MANIPULATED ACCOUNTS TO SUPPORT SPENDING” All you have presented is an argument by assertion http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion which is a logical fallacy. So all you've achieved is to give your opinion which is like a derrière, everybody's got one. The corporate elite at Petrobras are not going to be connected with her political party, they're only concerned with their own self interests.
Jul 09th, 2015 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like Argentina, Brazil would be better served under a military dictatorship like Pinochet. What the Brazilians and Rgs think is democracy is actually vote buying and paying off the slumdwellers to keep the filthy corrupted beasts in power.
Jul 10th, 2015 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dilma and Lula are dirty. Eventually they'll be found out. Either in a court in Brazil or the USA.
Just give it a bit more time.
Terrence refute the argument (against account manipulation) with evidence in support of your cretins please, otherwise you're just another dickhead socialist with a populist axe to grind. Evidence has already shown Petrobras was a means to secure funding for the Government, please provide evidence that says this is not so.
Jul 10th, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 Tik Tok
Jul 10th, 2015 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the one who made the assertion therefor you bear the burden of proof http://learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm otherwise you have engaged in a logical fallacy. I am utterly apposed to both the loony left or the loony right of which you are a perfect example. Politics is not particularly my mainstay as my interests are history and law. My personal pet peeves are liars, bullies and arrogance, all the opposite precepts of fairness. So if engage in any of the above I am more than delighted to expose you as the ass-hole you really are.
13 yankeeboy
Ah! I see you're fresh back from your New Order meeting. I guess you all must be beside yourselves over the current events in South Carolina. Fortunately irrational people like your ilk who are simply driven by their immediate emotional needs will never hold sway.
Terrence refute the argument (against account manipulation) with evidence in support of your cretins please, otherwise you're just another dickhead socialist with a populist axe to grind. Evidence has already shown Petrobras was a means to secure funding for the Government, please provide evidence that says this is not so.
Jul 11th, 2015 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 Tik Tok
Jul 11th, 2015 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you incapable of comprehending, I have already indicated that politically I am a centralist preferring what the political scientists refer to as the “murky middle”. So you better cut some new eye-holes in your bed-sheet. Your the person making the claim and at the end of the day you may even be correct, but, in logic the onus is on you to provide the evidence not for me to refute your assertion. Otherwise, your just some ass-hole crypto-fascist engaged in producing fallacies i.e. argument by assertion rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion, and failing to bear the burden of proof. learn.lexiconic.net/fallacies/index.htm
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/07/08/dilma-rejects-any-suggestion-of-stepping-down-and-blames-a-bunch-of-coup-mongers#comment405677: The problem with wingnuts like this person is that they actually believe this crap.
Jul 12th, 2015 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Brazil elections are held using the Australian Ballot. One of the properties of the Australian Ballot is that it gives any individual voter nothing to sell.
It follows that votes cast using the Australian Ballot cannot be and are not bought. Rather it ensures that each citizen votes his or her true interest. And the result of any election is determined by the majority of votes cast. This system is known as “democracy”, a system which, because they lack wit, the wingnuts dislike intensely. Instead they like psychopathic foreign military gangster regimes in order to suppress the democratic will of the people.
It is in the overriding interest of the US, which is often not prosecuted by the US government, that the governance of the American countries be democratic. This interest prevails irrespective of the outcome of any particular election.
@ 18 Hepatitus
Jul 12th, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are one stupid, stupid, person if you believe that nonsense.
I was their during a big election and I know what I was told about certain people 'in power' calling in the favours.
19 ChrisR “...I was told about certain people 'in power'...”
Jul 12th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You cite no sources so we're left to ponder with which of your drinking cronies in which bar this inadmissible 'hearsay' took place.
@ 20 Terence Hill
Jul 12th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah! The socialist wunderkind no less.
The people who told me that were the ones conducting the polling in South Australia.
Plus, I don't have any 'drinking cronies' I gave up drinking alcohol when I was 40 (I am 69 now) and apart from a half-bottle of the best champagne on my birthday I have never touched it since.
I realise that you are a pathetic creature accusing people of doing the very thing you do, so I called your bluff.
21 ChrisR
Jul 12th, 2015 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You still don't get anything right even when it's in print right in front of you. As a 'centralist' anything is preferable to a reactionary like yourself who spends an inordinate amount of time discussing the summary slaying of your fellow humans, or firearms. Have you mentioned this unusual fixation to a doctor? So I was right, your post was completely your own deluded fantasy, as you can produce no evidence to support your conjecture. So what were you saying about 'bluff'? when you are hoisted on your own pitard. LOL
@ 22 Terence Hill
Jul 12th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just wait a moment whilst I dissect your answer and summarise it.
The murky middle that you proudly boast of has affected your brain.
How do I know this?
Your post is nothing but supposition and innuendo: in others words - it says nothing.
Unfortunately for you, and unlike yourself, I don't lie.
0/10 Must try MUCH harder.
23 ChrisR
Jul 12th, 2015 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“..nothing but supposition and innuendo.. ” is all that you post. Here's the first challenge, you cannot produce one of your statements that is supported by any citation. Here's the second, you can't provide any evidence of any inaccuracy on my part, or yet a solitary instance of untruthfulness. “murky middle” is a term that political scientists use as a description for a theoretical ideal, but you've just revealed your ignorance of that fact. You're just a sore-loser, a want-to-be, with a puffed-up view of his own self-importance, who doesn't like it when his empty bluster is revealed. It's what's going to happen, when you rely on your ego, because you lack the intellect to substantiate anything. Your just out of your league sonny-boy.
Terrence the socialist who thinks he's so smart. Just provides verbal diarrhea, the reality is he knows stuff all about Brazil.
Jul 13th, 2015 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 025 Tik Tok
Jul 13th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently whatever I know is enough to to knock your 'gut-feeling' asunder. Socalist! I equally have as much time for their wooly-headed conceptions as I do for you and your members of the Bund.
@ 25 Tik Tok
Jul 13th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Murky Terence Hill” appears to be a LatAm sympathiser and may even be an argie attempting to be a Brazil Nut.
I say this because of his lack of English, especially the fact that he seems never to have grasped the concept of paragraphs in highlighting different points in his 'reply'.
We have had his sort before and no doubt will again once he has given up trying to con us and leaves us in peace.
27 ChrisR.
Jul 13th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike you I have never claimed nor implied infallibility, but one thing I do recognize is a 'loser' grasping at straws. As soon as you can't win a debate on the merits, you revert to type, the old argumentum ad hominem.
I've noticed your two line stanzas, is that what passes for paragraphing? I thought it was a failed attempt at poetry.
So please entertain us some more with your fictional accounts of your inside track into the workings of Brazilian politics.
“his lack of English,” It's a bulletin-board numbnuts to which the sub missives are made too, which has finite space, it's not a doctoral thesis, nor will I pretend they ever are. But, regardless I can still run rings around a bozo like you any time.
@13 “Like Argentina, Brazil would be better served under a military dictatorship like Pinochet.”
Jul 13th, 2015 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Insulting the Brazilians now, eh yankeeboy?
@ 25 Tik Tok
Jul 13th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re @ 28
I rest my case @ 27!
30 ChrisR
Jul 13th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which means you've conceded as you've run out of wiggle room, as you have no case to argue.
Terrence - any person that harps on about Neves doing cocaine many years ago when the article is about Dilma and her socialist band running into trouble really doesn't get it, learn more about Brazil I'd suggest, stop the verbal diarrhea. These socialists have been bad news for Brazil and your responses show me you are ignorant of what actually goes on in Brazil. You suggest that Cardoso should stay away from Neves yet he was supported by PSDB as leader again and if an election was held today Neves would be a shoe in. I suggest you improve your understanding of the situation before you shoot your mouth of. Asked for real facts you can't provide any substance.
Jul 13th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now you think you are some pseudo lawyer or something and it is childish.
@ 31 Terence Hill
Jul 13th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was 'talking' ABOUT YOU, NOT TO YOU!
32 Tik Tok
Jul 13th, 2015 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the party who made an assertion post #7 “sucked the country dry for only their benefit for years”. Who has failed to follow the rules of debating by failing to prove your assertion. In addition, has produced three fallacies. So you don't even get play with adults, yet alone make any demands Bubs, as your not even in the game.
Terrence - Can you make a factual assertion about the story child?
Jul 14th, 2015 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those that support a coup and the rule of the military mafia (and there seem to be a few here) should realize that, in the event, there would be resistance:
Jul 14th, 2015 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.brasilwire.com/social-movements-anti-coup-manifesto/
Also there would be no military backup from the US this time. This would apply even if a lunatic, such as Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, should become president. The world has moved on since 1964.
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