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'The Welsh are fully integrated to Argentina and have preserved their culture'
Argentina's Cabinet Chief Anibal Fernandez and the Presidential Legal and Technical secretary Carlos Zannini led on Monday celebrations in Chubut to mark the 150th anniversary of the Welsh community that settled in the Patagonian province. The event took place in Puerto Madryn overlooking the Golfo Nuevo. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesWas Think invited to the party?
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0He says that he lives in Chubut, but l rather doubt it.
@ 1 Isolde
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0He went as a sheep, complete with a jar of Vaseline! :o)
Is anybody else as unimpressed as me with all this “Welsh” nonsense:
THEY ARE ARGIES!
Get over leaving Wales because those of the 100.00 (?) who arrived are DEAD and you lot were born in The Dark Country.
Such an edifying spectacle of “VIP's”. Ha, ha, ha.
I wonder if it was pasta or chicken?
Take a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_in_Patagonia Seems there may be a few inaccuracies. If I understand correctly, the land wasn't what it was cracked up to be and the Welsh were expected to tame the natives.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2 ChrisR,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oooh you are awful, but l do like you!(thanks Dick Emery, RIP).
Think in a sheep's outfit, l would laugh til l cried, if l saw that.
@2 Chris
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. There are no Welsh in Argentina. Welsh people were born in Wales and live there. People who emigrate to Wales can become a Welsh and their children will certainly be Welsh.
However, those Welsh people who left Wales over 100 years ago to settle in Patagonia are dead and their ancestors had their land colonised by Spanish invaders, who stole the land and forced an alien culture upon them.
There might be a few descendants of those original Welsh colonists but I wonder how many of them speak Welsh as a first language? I also wonder how many signs, official documents and TV channels are in Welsh too.
These Welsh supposedly left Wales to preserve the Welsh language and culture, yet it is the Welsh who stayed behind in Wales that worked hard to preserve and spread Welsh culture. Those Welsh colonists would've fared better staying in Wales and there descendants would've been part of one of the worlds strongest and successful economies. Unfortunately all their descendants got was a raw deal, and have to live in a country that is devolving from developed to undeveloped country. Argentina cannot even be described as a developing country because they aren't developing anything, except failure.
#5
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are no English in Wales and no irish in England
There are no chilean in England and no Pakistanis
There is no sense in your comment but there's nonsense in all of your comments
Such a child.
So we have an army of Spanish colonialists celebrating the regiment of Welsh colonialists in kicking out the real natives in Argentine Patagonia and stealing their land.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Usual double standards there from those dumbwits not thinking this through.
I totally agree with #5 above. A typically self-serving statement from one of Kerchner's henchmen. “Fully-integrated” = taken over by Latino Argies. Its not that they wanted to belong to Argentina - thats why they chose to settle in unclaimed territory well to the south of B.A.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When the Welsh landed they obviously hoped and intended to found their own Welsh-speaking colony and not be subsumed by either English or Spanish speakers.
I'm intending to take a trip that way in a few months time but I very much doubt anything much of “Welsh culture” survives except a few tea-shops and Welsh cakes they make for the tourists.
@5 I will recommend the documentary Huw Edwards Patagonia made for BBC Wales as it answers many of your questions.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, there are signs in Welsh.
Yes, they have Welsh speaking schools - popular with Argentines for their high academic level.
Are they Welsh? No, but they are keeping alive the traditions valued by their ancestors. Their religion, for one in a catholic country. Their moral values. Their music and so on. When the Spanish arrived they did try hard to quash the Welsh traditions but somehow they survive.
Think of it this way. If you were one of the first settlers in Patagonia , after the Mapuche ,-and you -like all the settlers in the US - built a community built on your religion, beliefs and traditions, against all the odds, would you be happy to give them all up because the catholic Spanish arrived , late and in larger numbers?
Argentine governments tried at various times to wipe out the Welsh traditions but they survived; I rather like that. They are Argentines living a life that incorporates Welsh traditions and values.
#9
Jul 28th, 2015 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you that stupid.You think are would take a recommendation from you or I would consider a bbc programme an acceptable pastime.Is there nothing else you have to do.Re-read the ludicrous drivel in post #4 and just confirm you don't agree with it or more likely that you do.Really
They are not Welsh. The Welsh live in Wales. They live in Argentina and are bloody Argentinian.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth is they kept some of their traditions and a few still speak the language - in spite of the Argentine government and official discrimination.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 A new numbnut. The meaningless drivel uttered by Argie politicians and Ambassadors far outstrips anything that we post here.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got it?
is trying there very best to brainwash people into believing everything,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your nationality is where you are born,
if Argentina wants to calibrate welsh, then Argentina should celebrate all nationals that have settled in Argentina,
if only Argentina h effort into running their own country, rather than all that effort into the Falkland's that have nothing to do with them, then perhaps Argentina would not be in this mess.
if their people cannot see this, then they never grow up.
@6Yuleno
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no sense in your comment”
Yes there is. If the Welsh speaking Argentines are born in Argentina, they are Argentine.
The same as Falkland Islanders born in the Falkland Islands cannot be English as they are not born in England.
The way this pans out:
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The Spanish are fully integrated.
2. The Germans are fully integrated.
3. The Italians are fully integrated.
Et cetera,
Where are these Argentinians you speak of? Camping along the central reservations in BA? All killed off? These people are not Welsh, but of Welsh descent. They are the descendants of the original Welsh settlers. They have preserved some of the language and culture of Wales, but they are not actually Welsh.
Argentina is trying their very best to brainwash people into believing everything,
Jul 28th, 2015 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your nationality is where you are born,
if Argentina wants to celebrate welsh, then Argentina should celebrate all nationals that have settled in Argentina,
if only Argentina put as much effort into running their own country, rather than all that effort into the Falkland's that have nothing to do with them, then perhaps Argentina would not be in this mess.
if their people cannot see this, then they will never grow up
#15
Jul 28th, 2015 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More rubbish posing as logic.tell it to the settlers in England .Anglo-Saxons ,asian,get this one,Afro carribean,Irish Italian.All these are English just as a cow born in a stable.You are racist posing as enlightened.
Stop posting rubbish and making an idiot of yourself
What a pity there were not a lot more of the Welsh settlers who could have defeated the south-moving Argentines.
Jul 28th, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then formed their own independent country.
Then we would have a Welsh speaking as opposed to a Spanish speaking neighbour.
Who knows what our relationship would have been but l'm sure it would have been better than the present one that we have with the RGs.
18 Yuleno- you are almost as muddled as Paulcedron! Correct all people of Anglosaxon-Asian- West Indian-Irish-Italian origen - who are themselves born in England are indeed English! Had they been born in wales they would be Welsh -had they been born in Argentina they would be Argentine - if born in the Falklands then they would be F.Islanders.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not their fault you do not get to choose the country of your birth!
Certainly in Chubut there are several thousand ARGENTINES - who happen to have a Welsh heritage and background - that is all.
There are even some born F Islanders here who are of Argentine origen - we do not discriminate. Some of us can even trace our ancestors back to the Argentine lady who volunteered to accept British rule in 1833 and stayed on here after January 1833 and later married an English settler.
If the Patagonian Welsh are Welsh, then the majority population of Argentina is Spanish.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0#20
Jul 29th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't think you would like the offensive language that your post deserves.Why?Because you think only the English have a right to be offensive but you call it intelligent while you are responding to what you believe is an idiot who doesn't recognise English intelligence.
The history of the Welsh in Patagonia is a manifestation of your so-called intelligence.They left Wales,their home country,to escape English domination of ,not only their country,but their way of life,their beliefs ect.Why do they celebrate 150 years later,both in Argentina but also in Wales?
Because the English still occupy the country,acting like its the natural order of things.Thats why its celebrated,and in Argentina it is recognised as the same ideology that the English ,in their protracted loss of empire, refuse to acknowledge while at the same time being subjected to Yankee domination.
Recognise yourself in the term Stupid.No you see it as offensive
@22 : The English also occupy great parts of Chubut . There is a private airfield that cannot be seen by radar owned by the Royal Family ( that's the queen , by the way ) that the British use to fly in commandos to spy on the Chinese . Prince Harry is the head of these commandos .
Jul 29th, 2015 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The commandos dress up as gauchos and speak welsh to cover up the fact they don't speak spanish .
I read it in the Malvinense and Pagina1/2 , so it must be true .
@ ElaineB - re your info about Huw Edwards in Patagonia. The entire documentary is on YouTube - watched it last night, many thanks...!
Jul 29th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite an informative thread folks, thank you.
Jul 29th, 2015 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apart from that nasty little man called Yuleno.
But l can see whats getting up his nose………,
Hey Yuleno, we own the Falklands & you do not.
Happy now?
Nationality and identity are not necessarily the same thing. These descendants of the Welsh settlers are Argentine by nationality. Their identity - how they see themselves, on the other hand, is for them to decide, and is no-one else's business.
Jul 30th, 2015 - 06:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Notwithstanding the desires of external party's to exploit that identity to suit their own political agenda's.
#26
Jul 30th, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nationality,ethnicity identity
They all end in why
What is occupying a country create
The Welsh in Argentina may be able to maintain their identity but in Wales they aren't.Isn't that the result of occupation,otherwise why occupy
#25
Trust you to avoid the issue and slide,so intelligently,no doubt using your wonderful psychoanalytical training,on to an issue which is not part ot the thread.Is it somewhere you want to go to?Don't look for excuses, just go where you want.
@27
Jul 30th, 2015 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Welsh in Argentina may be able to maintain their identity but in Wales they aren't.”
You're an expert on 'Welsh identity' are you? I think not.
@27 Yuleno,
Jul 30th, 2015 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l am where l want to be.
So?
@27 Yuleno
Jul 31st, 2015 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Welsh in Argentina may be able to maintain their identity but in Wales they aren't.”
In that case why is Welsh spoken and taught more in Wales than it is in Argentina?
The 'Welsh' Argentines do not have their own parliament within Argentina.
The Welsh DO have their own parliament within the UK.
Anyone driving into Wales sees signs in Welsh, and English, but note Welsh is promoted in Wales not prohibited.
Anyone driving into Chubut-do they see signs in Welsh or signs in Spanish? (Ha Argentina do not even have their own language, apart from the native languages that have been pushed into the ditch).
#27
Jul 31st, 2015 - 12:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems you are the expert in welsh identity.What is the defining points to it?
Wait a minute.We have an answer.
#30
Here is the answer
1/they must be the majority speakers
Eg USA English language speakers
2/They must have their own parliment(law making institution
Eg USA congress
3/Road signs must be ...... I think you can guess what's coming,so I'll save the time
So what is identity and what do members of a community contribute to it.A Mapuche,defeated in their own lands,will quite easily answer that.
31 Yuleno
Jul 31st, 2015 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ Mapuche,defeated in their own lands,will quite easily answer that.”
Funny you chose to arrogantly show disdain towards a people you stole land from.
@32 Troy,
Jul 31st, 2015 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno is a typical arrogant malvinista example--they have no shame.
#32
Aug 01st, 2015 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Mapuche were introduced to the thread deliberately.It was in the context of identity but I knew someone would use it to divert that issue to one which goes close to the issue of the welsh in wales and in Argentina.Can you shed light on that.As a bonus looks like you beat Isolde to the point.
@22 Yuleno: “Because the English still occupy the country,acting like its the natural order of things.Thats why its celebrated,and in Argentina it.....” What is this rubbish you've written?
Aug 01st, 2015 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English do not occupy Wales! It is not part of any empire, nor ever has been! It is part of the United Kingdom however, has it's own elected Assembly and is doing rather well after picking itself up out of the mire of the mine closures.
The fact remains that the “Welsh” in Argentina are actually Argentinians, not Welsh. They are, for sure, descendants of the original Welsh settlers. Much like people like Patricio Dowling is an Argentinian descendant of the Irish settlers. He isn't Irish. The descendants of the German settlers are Argentinians, the Italians, the Spanish et cetera.
Argentina is no different to anywhere else. It's nothing special. There are Turkish communities in the Netherlands, Greek communities in Germany, it's no big thing.
This whole farrago is meant to show that were Argentina to usurp the Falkland Islands, our culture and way of life would be respected..........Which we all know is absolute bollocks.
Friends of mine in Wales, also friends of Caerwyn Jones, spoke with him before he left for this propaganda exercise and made him well aware of what we all think of this press-feast.
#35
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your long post said nothing I wasn't previously aware of except that some of your friends and some people who are friends of Caerwyn,spoke to him and informed him,in their ultimate wisdom,that going to Argentina was the wrong thing for him to do.
Is that not the ultimate bollocks you accuse me of.Why should he not go and see his people in Argentina?
Get back to identity,what it means,how it should viewed ect.,because there are lots of English people who don't know what nationality they are.Except when they fill out forms.
36 Yuleno
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Get back to identity,what it means,how it should viewed ect.,because there are lots of English people who don't know what nationality they are.Except when they fill out forms.”
What does that mean.?
How would YOU know?
“Why should he not go and see his people in Argentina?”
First, they are not “his people”, they are Argentines - descendants of settlers 150 years ago.
Second, he was invited to be part of a political misinformation campaign aimed at discrediting the UK's relationship with the Falkland Islanders.
You have said nothing new - Think/Yuleno/Dany...
#37
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you.
By the way there is no such thing as English.They are British and live on the British isles(not exclusively they share part of it with the Irish)and that is your logic.Its very mixed up isn't it.
38 Yuleno
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again,
Can you explain your comment @36,
“Get back to identity,what it means,how it should viewed ect.,because there are lots of English people who don't know what nationality they are.Except when they fill out forms.”
What does that mean.?
How would YOU know?
Further,
#37
“You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you.”
Robberies???
What “robberies”?
And, it is the Argentinians who DEMAND “negotiation” with the UK over the Falklands.
What does the the UK have to do with it?
What does being English vs. British have to do with anything?!
Your Malvinista rhetoric is very mixed up, isn't it?? :-)
Please explain clearly and logically, if you can.
@39 Troy,
Aug 02nd, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the mentality of the type of people that we have to deal with.
And they want “negotiations”!
lt would be like trying to get toothpaste back into the tube, trying to have ANY kind of talks with them.
Anyway, they have no case & can offer nothing but threats, so we won't talk to them.
41 Isolde
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... like trying to get toothpaste back into the tube”
LOL, I want to see if he can actually articulate his ideas...
I think not!!
Let's make it simple for you.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you live?
What nationality are you?
If you move to Argentina to live what nationality are you ?
Three questions for you to start with.
42 Yuleno
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you link any two coherent thoughts together to explain what you meant @37:
“#37
You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you.”
and
”By the way there is no such thing as English.They are British and live on the British isles(not exclusively they share part of it with the Irish)and that is your logic.Its very mixed up isn't it.”
#43
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can.They were both statements in my comments @37.
Is that what you meant?
Now can you respond to the 3questions @42.
5 LEPRecon (#) I travel to Esquel in Chubut (founded by the Welsh) frequently since it is not far from where I live further to the south. I can tell you from personal experience over many years that there are no open signs of any Welsh culture, language, or other aspect. There are supposedly a couple of people in town who know a bit of galés but that is also true of Kansas City. A tiny and invisible long-ago vestige does not mean that a culture has survived, and it hasn't in any meaningful way. Esquel is not any sort of Wales-away-from-Wales. It is 100 percent Argentine, you do everything there the Argentine national way, and the little Welsh tea-houses are as plastic and false as Disneyland.
Aug 03rd, 2015 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36: I think you are deliberately missing the point. They are not his people. My point regarding my friends speaking to him was not to warn him off visiting, but to highlight the issue that KFC and the likes of Alicia Castro are using this whole thing to illustrate that the Falkland Islanders' wishes will be taken into account were Argentina to gain sovereignty of the Falkland Islands. He was advised of this, but he certainly wasn't told not told not to go.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0These people are not Welsh. They are descendants of the Welsh settlers. As I stated previously, there are a host of others in Argentina who descend from other European countries, but their heritage isn't celebrated in this manner. It is nothing special. What is of interest is that they have managed to hold onto a bit of their heritage at all.
The utter bollocks I refer to are the statements made by Castro that the Falkland Islanders wishes will be taken into account and respected. We all know that, based on her previous statements, they are bollocks. I fail to see where this relates to anything you have said.
However, if you chose to take it as a criticism against yourself, more fool you.
Cheery-bye.
Yuleno,
Aug 04th, 2015 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0#37
“You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you”
What “robberies” are you referring to?
Can you explain the meaning of your post?
Waiting....
BTW,
where I live makes no difference to the Argentines in Chubut, or Alicia Castro, or the Falklanders.
Again - What is your point?
Waiting to hear...
#47
Aug 04th, 2015 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Where you live and the people in chubut or Alicia Castro are not logically connected.However answering questions in a conversation might be useful to a conversation don't you think?
@48 Yuleno
Aug 04th, 2015 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...answering questions”??
Do you mean like the questions I asked you twice already,
“#37
“You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you”
What “robberies” are you referring to?
Can you explain the meaning of your post?”
Those questions... ??
I don't think you can.
Yuleno--just another malvinista troll.
Aug 04th, 2015 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 08 ernest shackleton ...“ I'm intending to take a trip that way in a few months time but I very much doubt anything much of “Welsh culture” survives except a few tea-shops and Welsh cakes they make for the tourists.”
Aug 04th, 2015 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0-- Your assessment is correct. In the population centres of Chubut province there is no “authentic” public evidence of surviving Welsh culture. It is entirely taken over by Argentine national practices, customs, law, language, etc. The people at the tourism information offices don't know a word of Welsh. There are certainly tourism-oriented displays and the plastic tea-houses with the red lion flags and mugs and key-rings, of course. But don't go trying to conduct normal business in Welsh or you'll be considered as good as a Martian. There is a propaganda claim that some 1500 Welsh descendents “still speak Welsh” but I'd say that many know a few Welsh words while probably fewer than 300 actually speak something that comes close to Welsh. Some of the “Welsh chapels” remain but don't expect to find anyone Welsh there except once a year, perhaps, for a special event. There are some worthwhile old buildings and artifacts to visit and in fact Dolavon should be on your list. Years ago I ate lunch at the old mill there but of course nobody spoke of word of anything but Argentensis. The title of this article that indicates that the Welsh in Chubut maintained their culture is of course a typical Peronist lie. There is nothing of the sort.
51 Marti Llazo
Aug 04th, 2015 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for the definitive statement on the subject.
I dont really expect to see the Malvinistas try to support the lie - finally Castro may have succeeded in putting that myth to rest, now that it is fully exposed to the light of day.
#52
Aug 05th, 2015 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you”
What is it you don't understand about this statement?
Could you confirm that the person #51 can speak welsh or not and how you can be satisfied with one travel account to the area.How much time did this person spend in the area?Was he there for the recent celebrations there?Did he find that these people are Welsh as witnessed by their recent visitor?
Are you able to answer any of these questions?
Yuleno,
Aug 05th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What “robberies”??
You are desperate to avoid my question for the 4th time.
“Robberies” is something that Argentines should know well, since their robbery rate is the highest of all the nations in the western hemisphere and double the average rate for the South American countries.
Aug 05th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should change their name to Robolandia.
The last numbers I have seen (probably suppressed by the Argentine government now) show Argentina's “tasa de robos cada 100.000 habitantes” at 973, versus 123 for the US.
55 Marti,
Aug 05th, 2015 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, I suspect Yuleno was on an alcohol-fueled Malvinista rant when he spewed out “robberies” and “it's not all about the UK” - a bit muddled in his thinking... and can't explain the Party Line.
Clearly you two of posters are going to be 'gran amigos'.The storyteller and the questioner.There is another story there.And I don't drink alcohol,it's what the Yankee,along with smallpox invested blankets used in their chemical warfare against the Native Americans
Aug 05th, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno can't seem to focus on the topic so perhaps his problem is worse than alcoholism. Perhaps ephedrine, now that the Kristina's cabinet chief has been linked to that sort of drug trafficking along with a drug-trade massacre not so long ago.
Aug 05th, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nut if we follow Yuleno's new rant then perhaps he would like to explain the multiple genocides which make the perpetually tragic history of Argentina so... so very Argentine. I was going to suggest that Argentina might even follow its own prescriptions by removing its implanted population from Tierra del Fuego and decolonising that area by returning it to the native people, but it seems as though the Argentines managed to kill off most of the indigenous folks there. Just as they did in their other genocidal campaigns (che, ¿qué te parece la llamada Conquista del Desierto? ) for the angloparlantes among us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Desert
You are so sophisticated Llazo so other person might be impressed with your googleing.Check out so other events that will justify Yankee nuclear bombing history.Its topical as news so you should find it easy.
Aug 05th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 058 Marti
Aug 05th, 2015 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to Yuleno,
It seems that, Whatever crimes against the poor and the Argentine people that Queen Cristina is carrying out today, as we speak, there were worse atrocities carried out by other people, hundreds of years ago.
I guess he thinks that makes it ok for her to carry on?
Seems is the key word.You don't know you are not interesting there.
Aug 06th, 2015 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems means you don't know.Tell me something else you don't know soon.
61 Yuleno
Aug 06th, 2015 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL,
You idiot - you miss the whole point as usual. :-)
What I am saying, is that no matter what terrible government corruption and crimes perpetrated against the poor and the citizens of Arg. by CFK...
....Yuleno will quote crimes committed by others 100 or 200 years ago, as justification for CFK corruption and lies, right now.
CFK has the option to change her behaviour - but does not.
I am definite about that.
Back to you, Yuleno...
Please tell us, for the 5th time asking, “ what robberies”??
You don't sound very confident in your convictions.
You don't SEEM to be able to articulate them - explain to us, and prove me wrong.
Waiting....
The thread is not about what I think about things not related to the Welsh in Argentina and Wales.Its you who try to turn it into the MALVINAS issue.How does it relate to that matter is something you can explain.I can't as they are not connected at present.The welsh in Argentina respect the laws of Argentina.The Malvinas are occupied by the UK/British/English whatever label you wish to give the occupier (See the UN decolonisation committee for the officially recognised name of the occupier)
Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How you connect the Welsh in Argentina with corruption in Argentina needs explaining if you want to start your own thread on a different matter( corruption).
You real must defend your statements without straying on to other matters.Anyone can do that at any time.
Yuleno says: “ You are so sophisticated Llazo so other person might be impressed with your googleing.”
Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I spend a lot of time in Chubut (mostly Esquel) and also Sta Cruz province and so I get to see firsthand the differences between the corrupt and mendacious representations of the Kirchner government, and the realities of the “preserved Welsh culture” in Chubut. The fact of the matter is that the Argentine government didn't waste much time after the arrival of the Welsh, in taking measures that contravened their culture. Argentina makes no allowances for Welsh language in any formal matters. The Falkland Islanders are not so stupid as to think that the Argentine government would respect their property, culture, language, or anything else, and there is certainly evidence from recent history of Argentina's unpleasant imperialist adventures to remind all decent people to avoid any sort of entanglements with Argentina.
You must be spending too much time in chubut Llazo and not enough relaxing and enjoying yourself.The UK make no allowance for welsh either but they failed to eliminate it in Wales but they did try to eliminate it in Wales.
Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like to explain what you think the Argentina gvt should do for the Welsh community in Argentina
Yuleno, there is no “Welsh community” in Chubut. There are a few argentinos with “ADN galés” but they are not Welsh. Having a few cachivaches about the house with little red lions does not make one Welsh.
Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't get to spend enough time with friends in Esquel but thank you for enquiring.
And you have clearly never been to Wales.
@63 Yuleno,
Aug 06th, 2015 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The thread is not about what I think about things not related to the Welsh in Argentina and Wales.Its you who try to turn it into the MALVINAS issue.How does it relate to that matter is something you can explain.I can't as they are not connected at present.”
Yuleno,
If it is not about the Malvinas, please explain what you meant by “robberies” and what your post meant @38:
Yuleno @38
“You have got to realise your robberies cannot be masked by thinking everything is about the Uk and that others are different.It wonderful to see how you can think everthing is about you.”
Still waiting.
This is the 6th time I have asked you, and you still avoid telling us what you meant.
Waiting.... again.....
coward
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