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Argentine swimmers planning to cross Falkland Sound next March

Thursday, August 6th 2015 - 04:47 UTC
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Four professional swimmers from Mar del Plata, Argentina have announced they are preparing for a great challenge: next March they plan to cross the Falkland Sound joining West and East Falklands. Diego Piccardo, Martín Sánchez, Adrián Echeverría and Guido Ganín are training with professor Andrés Rosso under the supervision of the several times open sea champion Claudio Plitt. Read full article

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  • Skip

    I think this is a great idea. Connections between neighbours promotes understanding and acceptance.

    However if any of the participants use the occasion as a platform for some Peronist irredentist wet-dream of the mythical Malvinas then it should be shutdown instantly.

    History can't be undone and there is a need to identify all the remains of the canon fodder of past and present Argentinean governments, however they will be swimming the FALKLAND SOUND in the FALKLAND ISLANDS and not Estrecho de San Carlos in the Malvinas.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NFLD

    And now for something completely different ..............

    The Falklands Islands Police are very busy these days, having to post such releases as below (I suspect that any corresponding Arrgentine Police Force might somehow be a bit envious of such nefarious activity):
    _____________________
    Royal Falkland Islands Police:

    Local residents on Tuesday afternoon drew the attention of the RFIP police to a significant amount of dog excrement had been left on a pedestrian footpath close to the junction of JAMES STREET and SNAKE HILL. This particular area is a regular thoroughfare for children and parents walking to and from school.

    Whilst we are aware that most dog owners are very responsible and clear up after their animals, on this occasion, it was clear that this did not occur. Should someone’s pet foul upon a pedestrian footpath, then out of courtesy for others, please ensure that it is cleared up.

    Following the incident this afternoon, it was home owners in JAMES STREET that had to wash the footpath down in order to make it useable for pedestrians, even though their animals were not responsible for causing the mess in the first place.

    *** UPDATE ***

    A further incident occurred in the very same area on Wednesday afternoon, and was reported by local residents to a passing police patrol.

    Dog owners are duly advised that it is an offence under the Dogs (Fouling of Land) Ordinance 2000, which applies to every road, footpath, road verge, car park, children's playground, recreation ground, pleasure ground, wood or other open space provided for public use or enjoyment within Stanley.
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Oh if we all were only such cursed with such wicked circumstances. I know I am truly jealous.

    As usual, the trolls just won't understand.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Roger Lorton

    Another thinly disguised propaganda exercise - the FIG need to clamp down on these activities.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    A bit of a non-story - a Press Release only.

    Was any official application made to the FIG ??

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LEPRecon

    @4 Troy

    Exactly. In order to do something like this you first need to apply through the correct channels, and then prove that your swimmers are up to the task, that you have done appropriate risk assessments, taken all necessary safety precautions, and have sufficient insurance to cover you should you have to be rescued by local authorities.

    If you haven't done these things then quite simply you won't be allowed to do it, no matter how many press releases there are.

    Professor Andrés Rossi better write no to get that permission. It should be addressed to the Falkland Islands Government, the Falkland Islands.

    Letters addressed to the mythical malvinas tend not to go anywhere, as the malvinas don't exist.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    I would suggest a very thorough customs search and any inaccurate flags or banner with offensive statement, plus marker pens, blank canvas, etc are removed.

    The start and end points of the swim should be festooned with Falkland Island and British flags, No other flags or emblems should be allowed.

    The support boat(s) again you be appropriately marked with local flags.

    Of course some would call this provocative. Showing your own Colours in you own Homeland.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Rgs aren't known for follow through or bravery.
    Or even being able to stand the cold for very long
    They do wear puffy winter coats when it gets down below 60F in BA.
    They even put coats on their dogs then too

    It will never happen.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @4
    It does say that Julio Aro also advises on how to go through FIG formalities.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    “With his foundation “Don't forget me”, Aro advises athletes regarding the terrain and water conditions, and also with the formalities to comply with before the Falklands' government.”

    If his government were as realistic as him, I doubt there would be problems in getting DNA if the Argentines approached the FIG.

    Pretending the FIG does not exist isn't getting Argentina anywhere.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Actually many (sadly not although) Arg veterans are grown up and do effectively recognise the existence of FIG and behave themselves reasonably whilst here and keep their personal political beliefs to themselves.
    personally I don't have a problem with the swimmers - so long as is said - they go through the right procedures etc, including arranging a suitable safety boat.
    As for DNA testing- we hear the Arg Scientists have a method which does not involve exhumation - instead a small hole is drilled straight down from ground to the coffin and a minute sample removed for analaysis - if this is true - then no problems.
    But any exhumation by digging up of remains is unlikley be allowed to happen by FIG and Islanders.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 10 Islander1

    ”Actually many (sadly not although) Arg veterans are grown up and do effectively recognise the existence of FIG and behave themselves reasonably whilst here and keep their personal political beliefs to themselves. personally I don't have a problem with the swimmers - so long as is said - they go through the right procedures etc, including arranging a suitable safety boat”

    That´s really great to know, Islander.

    BTW, you are officially the first Islander I exchange posts with :)

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    What about those Great Whites that are regularly spotted in Falkland Sound? And the Killer Whales that often mistake wetsuit cladded folk for seals? Isnt this jaunt a bit risky?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    it is the Estrecho de San Carlos.
    i think i will cross it with my brand new dt-2 noserider.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Go ahead.

    Who cares?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    The world doesn't really seem to be aware of Andres Rosso, Claudio Pitt or Julio Aro. Not much result from a Google search.

    How nice of these individuals to warn the Falkland Islands Government. So they can have their baggage torn apart and be strip-searched and x-rayed on arrival.

    Do hope that they understand that a nuclear submarine will not “give way”. Nor will a destroyer or a frigate. Or even a patrol vessel.

    “The crossing has the purpose of promoting the DNA-project from the Aro Foundation, for the identification of the 123 Argentine combatants fallen during the 1982 conflict, buried in the Argentine cemetery at Darwin, but whose remains still have no names.”

    Really? And has this Foundation made any application? Wouldn't the FIG demand that remains be taken to argieland? Is there any reason to allow peronists to claim that, with the corpses, that provides some sort of “claim”?

    123 rotting corpses removed to argieland or thrown into the ocean. So there's no need for these argies to swim across Falkland Sound. They can swim across the estuary of the River Plate instead.

    The FIG should not permit propaganda.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @13
    Where?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    So it's all going to take place (ha, ha, ha, I'll believe it when it happens) 'under the supervision of the several times open sea champion Claudio Plitt.'

    He had such a resounding success in 2008 that I have every confidence it will be nothing but a FUBAR of epic proportions.

    With a bit of luck they will all 'sleep with the fishes'. Ha, ha, ha.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DNACowboy

    What is this 'Malvinas' of which you speak?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    2
    And now for something completely different ..............

    “In 2009/10 there were 7 rapes, 6 child sexual offences, 26 assaults, out of a total of 141 offences”

    ...I'm sure you won't find that info difficult to understand....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    this 4th class site and its constant errors...mon dieu.
    now you understand why all these 4th class plebs are so ill informed and brainwashed.

    first, who the fuck is “maría inés mattos”, eh??
    maybe the 4th class site refers to María Inés Mato?

    second, who the fuck is “claudio plit”, eh??
    maybe the 4th class site refers to Claudio Plit?}

    third, who the fuck told this 4th class site that “Maria Ines Mattos tried unsuccessfully to complete the six kilometers between West and East Falkland”?

    of course she crossed it, and with one leg less.

    assholes.

    http://www.natacion.com.ar/web/notas/notas.php?id=1184&tipo=notas
    http://www.natacion.com.ar/web/notas/notas.php?id=1184&tipo=notas

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @13 cara de dos ortos podridos

    I am told that idiots/morons like you are not welcome in the FALKLAND Islands.

    Boludo!

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    gordo pelotudo
    and who the fuck cares, you fartso?

    those are OUR islets.
    nobody gives a shite for what the squatters can opine.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    11 Sebasvtz - thankyou! - and there is the odd paulcedron or two over here!

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @22 cara de dos ortos podridos

    Just what is your motive in continuing to be such an idiot? Your nonsensical postings make you appear to be far more of a figure of fun for us than your gross attempts to make fun of the islanders.

    Boludo!

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    19 ThinksvoiceOver

    “And now for something completely different ..............

    “In 2009/10 there were 7 rapes, 6 child sexual offences, 26 assaults, out of a total of 141 offences”

    Thanks Think,

    You better put up a link if you are putting your statement in quotation marks.

    No context, no source, therefore no relevance, and no confirmation.

    Are you going to do a 'Paul Cedrone' and tell us to google it?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @24
    Because people keep answering him. It feeds his ego and gives him a sense of self worth.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    gran bretaña tiene un unico argumento: la fuerza, la misma fuerza que empleron durante años para imponer su hegemonia en el rio de la plata solo que en en algunos lugares la empresa les salio bien y en otros culmino en fracaso, todo lo demas son contradicciones y conjeturas falaces que ni ellos se creen, las islas son indiscutiblemente argentinas, de hecho argentina hizo mas por las islas que los propios britanicos que cuando dejaron de cumplir un rol estrategico simplemente las ignoraron durante años.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    @27
    Unquestionably Argentine, I don't think so. Really do not see how 180 years of (mostly, 82 of course) peaceful settlement is beaten by a six month penal colony and a three month invasion. If you are going to make statements like that a few facts to back it up would be nice.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    27
    spot on

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • gordo1

    @27 presidenteallende(¿sos realmente chileno?)

    “de hecho argentina hizo mas por las islas que los propios britanicos que cuando dejaron de cumplir un rol estrategico simplemente las ignoraron durante años”

    ¡Esta declaración es pura m----a!

    ¡Y para que sepa “Comments must be in English” según ordena Mercopress¡

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    25
    Huh....if you insist....
    Surprised that you can't take my word for it....
    https://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php/topic/143275-royal-falkland-island-police-recruiting-for-senior-constable/

    ...was just pointing out that like most places not everything is rosy....
    In a small place like that how do they face each other....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 31 Voice

    We can't take your 'word' for it because if the link is all you have there is nada at all to do with your claims!

    So, you ARE a liar then.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    32
    For Goodness sake it's a UK Police site...
    If it was wrong it would be removed....
    Stop doing an Ostrich impression and face reality....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @33 voice

    “Page has been removed” - It must have been wrong

    Waiting for the conspiracy loonies, now....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    @ 33 Voice

    I told the truth and you did not believe me.

    That is the trouble with liars: they think everyone else lies as they themselves do.

    Oh dear, trouble is I have never lied since about 11 years of age simply because I could never remember what I had said as a lie. The truth is so easy to remember: perhaps you should try it.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    interesting that these two individuals have warned the Falkland Islands Government in advanced,

    can the Falkland's government warn these in advance that any funny business or pictures of then displaying the argentine flag for propaganda purposes may result in arrest and prosecution.
    In advance.

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    34
    Nice try... the page on the FIG site is the one that has been removed....too embarrassing I would imagine...that's just one year....
    Now multiply it by another six years...how many child sex offenders and rapists would that be...on average...?
    To quote again from the site....“Sexual offences and domestic violence are an ongoing issues that require long extended investigations and fundamental cultural change”
    Cultural change???....who are these people...it's part of the Culture....jeez....
    35
    I'm struggling, really struggling at this point to wonder if you are aware of the significance of quotation marks...?
    Please explain how one can lie when I was merely quoting from a Police site...?
    Are you losing it...?..is it an age thing....best stay off that bike....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    37 voice

    “Please explain how one can lie when I was merely quoting from a Police site...?”

    Very simple wee voicey, you are misrepresenting the truth, by quoting without a link - thereby, quoting outside of context - a deliberate attempt to deceive, on your part.
    What else is new?

    Kinda like a Paul Cedron tactic....

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    34 toy
    “Page has been removed” - It must have been wrong”

    no you dumbasshole.
    it was censored.

    you are not too bright, eh?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    PART1- los ingleses jamás ocuparon la totalidad de las islas y su incipiente asentamiento se limito a puerto egmont en la isla saunders (los britanicos llamaron a la isla saunders donde estaba puerto egmont “falkland island” ( en singular) incluso asi quedo registrado en la placa dejada por el comandante ingles Clayton, pero el termino no incluía a las islas en su conjunto ( la pretensión injustificada sobre el resto de las islas se ampliaría luego) asentamiento que incluso mas tarde abandonarían, España que tenia jurisdicción en esa zona y previamente por aviso de los franceses que ya estaban en esa zona hace tiempo los desaloja por la fuerza pero para evitar un conflicto mayor se les permitio a los escasos colonos británicos ( y tambien a los franceses) permanecer en las islas pero reconociendo que las mismas estaban bajo soberanía española ( resultado se fueron todos por donde vinieron y hasta 1833 no volvieron), cuando argentina toma posesión de las islas Inglaterra enterada de este hecho jamás objeto nada
    vuelvo a insistir en que el único argumento eficaz de los británicos es el de la fuerza, el mismo que quisieron aplicar sin éxito en estas mismas latitudes en 1763, 1806, 1807, 1845, en el rio de la plata por experiencia propia conocemos muy bien los “argumentos británicos” , o el desalojo de la única base y población existente en la isla tule ( estación científica argentina corbeta uruguay) en lo jurídico los argumentos británicos fueron mutando a lo largo del tiempo a medida que eran desmentidos porque justamente son flojos y poco consistentes, desde la prioridad de descubrimiento que esgrimieron en un primer momento hasta el res nullius

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @39 Paul Cedron/voice

    “no you dumbasshole.
    it was censored”

    As I said earlier,
    “Waiting for the conspiracy loonies, now....”

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    PART2-el profesor Peter J Beck recuerda las sensatas observaciones formuladas en 1836 por Fitzmaurice consejero legal del foering office quien se expreso de la siguiente manera:

    Nuestro caso tiene ciertas debilidades, principalmente con respecto a las dudas sobre si las islas fueron res nullius en 1833 momento de la reclamación inicial britanica. ( con esto deja en claro que jamás hubo una reclamación o pronunciamiento oficial y firme con anterioridad)

    He revisado todos los papeles relativos a las Falklands. De ninguna manera encuentro claro que alguna vez hayamos sido titulares de la soberanía de dichas islas”.
    Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duque de Wellington (Primer Ministro), 1834.

    “...la actitud del gobierno argentino no es enteramente injustificada y nuestra acción ha sido algo despótica”.
    Sidney Spicer, titular del Departamento América del Foreign Office, 1910.

    “quién tenía el mejor derecho al tiempo que nosotros anexamos las islas. Yo pienso que el gobierno de Buenos Aires [...] Nosotros no podemos hacer fácilmente un buen reclamo y astutamente hemos hecho todo lo posible para evitar discutir el tema en la Argentina”.
    R. Campbell, secretario asistente del Foreign Office, 1911.

    “las reclamaciones argentinas a las islas Falkland en ninguna forma son sin fundamentos” ..... “el caso inglés no es lo suficientemente fuerte como para afrontar una controversia pública”.
    sir Malcolm A. Robertson, embajador británico en Buenos Aires, 1928.

    “Los británicos ratearon las Falkland en 1833” decía en 1930 la obra The Canons of International Law en la página 390.

    En 1936 el consejero legal de la cancillería inglesa, George Fitzmaurice, señaló: “Nuestro caso posee cierta fragilidad” y aconsejaba lo que finalmente se hizo: “Sentarse fuerte sobre las islas, evitando discutir, en una política para dejar caer el caso”.

    ”...nuestra toma de posesión de las islas Malvinas en 1833 fue tan arbitraria [...] que no es por tanto fácil de explicar nuestra posición sin mostrarnos a nos

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @42

    Speak, and they shall appear...

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    40
    What is your source that the plaque had Falkland Island singular...?
    In English please otherwise your comments will probably be removed...
    Also the Spanish sovereignty recognition doesn't hold water the... wording was ambiguous in the agreement...leaving irrespective claims intact...
    I'm not keen on opinions...
    41
    Ha the info is correct...guess who found the statistics for....2010/11/12/13....
    Trust me on it....and let it go...

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Trust you?

    Aug 06th, 2015 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    42
    “It is not at all clear to me that we never ever held sovereignty over ALL these islands”, Duke of Wellington, Prime Minister, 1829.
    Facts please otherwise it will be ripped to shreds....
    45
    Yep ...otherwise you know I'll go on and on and won't let it go and in the end spring the link on you....you know this....

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    the lead plate was installed by clyton and is mentioned by the British accounts of the time themselves, that plate was left as a landmark , the plate then disappeared and was later recaptured during the first English invasion to Buenos Aires in 1806 , but never more was heard of it, which in resumids accounts is clear is that the occupation was limited to egmont port and was also a precarious and temporary occupation in no way giving rights over the entire archipelago , is worth noting in this regard the written by philosopher , essayist and writer Samuel Johnson :
    Confesses that , based on existing evidence, the claim
    English first discovery and settlement “ belongs more to the confidence that certain ”

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Why do stupid people bring up stuff from.100+ ywars ago and think its relevant to today?
    Why?

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Because the English stole East Falkland without any prior claim of settlement or occupation....
    Give the Black Hills of Dakota back....
    ...and give the 13 Colonies back to the English...because that declaration you made 200+ years ago doesn't mean shit as it's not relevant....

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    'Because the English stole East Falkland without any prior claim of settlement or occupation....'

    Spain never complained, and only Spain had any right to do so.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    britain never discussed the sovereignty of the Islands to Spain , France also recognized the Spanish sovereignty or accept the jurisdiction of Spain and Las Malvinas as an inheritance from Spain and the administrative area bequeathed the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata , to be part of the Our design of offshore platform and unquestioned acts continued presence ( only interrupted by the act of usurpation 1833 ) are like to admit it or not integral part of Argentina , Britain implicitly through direct bilateral negotiations Argentina acknowledges some degree of ownership of these islands

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    It's 2015 and the Falkland Islands are British. By all means (Voice and Allende) bring up every obscure or not so obscure historical event or action however it doesn't change the facts on the ground.

    The entire Falkland Islands is currently held by the United Kingdom. It doesn't matter who recognises or who doesn't.

    Every year further entrenches that fact. There is nothing anyone, either Argentina or the UN can do about it.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    contexts are not static or undisturbed over time ( as we see it today in the way that the axis of global power comes off with the emergence of new actors) , change processes will be able to slow but never avoided, Argentina is developing a very good job diplomatic and getting important support , clear that this alone will not achieve our goal because there are other issues that we must develop recovery is a strategy that includes extensive tools and elements to coordinate, not just about diplomacy or it just about weapons , we are aware of it .

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @51 Allende/voice

    “ ...accept the jurisdiction of Spain and Las Malvinas as an inheritance from Spain and the administrative area bequeathed the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata... ”

    bequeathed???

    BS!!! Spain Beowulf have disagreed with that one.

    Spain's colonies were in revolt - taking from Spain whatever the opportunity afforded them.

    Anything from Spain was debatably 'theft'.

    The Falklands were 1000 miles away, in any case - hardly within the sphere of influence of the UPS

    Honestly, Allende/voice, these are old hackneyed, stock, misdirections ... give it a rest.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    at immigration are given a polite leaflet explaining “dos” and “donts” - and one of the “donts” is waving their flag or other banners of a political nature in public, or the wearing of military insignia etc that are likely to give offence to the residents- as it may result in Police action.

    Pres Allende- The world is full of nations and states based on who did what to who or did not - 200-500 or more years ago. Some clearcut - some a bit woolly and grey.
    Do please give us examples of where something that happened 200 or more years ago OVER-RULES todays widespread International principles of the Rights of the people who live in that country/territory?

    After all if the indigenous population of Argentina claimed that they are the successors to all those tribes who used to live in Argentina (but were wiped out over the years) - claimed the whole of the land of Argentian back and ordered all of European origen to get out back to Europe - would you go?

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @46 voice

    a truer picture of the Falklands Police and the character of the Islanders, than your specious muck-raking implies

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/42155/low-crime-falklands

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    @53

    Given the failure of the military option, if Argentina really wanted the islands, it could have chosen to take its case to the ICJ, or tried to gain the consent of the islanders. Instead it has embarked on a strategy which has no prospect whatsoever of winning,. Your alleged diplomatic successes have not advanced your claim one iota, and through overuse are becoming just a tiresome ritual at every international gathering, about as meaningful as the vote of thanks to the workers at a company AGM. All you've succeeded in doing is perpetuating an unfounded and impossible grievance by misrepresenting international attitudes to the domestic audience. This will probably work for a few decades yet, but ultimately your own people are going to realize it's not the 18th century any more, and they've been had.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    I see another brainwashed , 10 year old bed wetter has joined the forum ....
    Welcome “ presidenteallende ”.
    You are merely rehashing the same old crap that everyone else does , which is really boring .
    Why not go back to your bedroom and refight the '82 war with toy soldiers instead ?
    The world is a terribly unfair place , and the sooner your learn that and deal with it , the happier you'll be .

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benson

    “ and Las Malvinas as an inheritance from Spain and the administrative area bequeathed the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata”
    I would like to see some evidence of that.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    54
    Don't be blaming me....I did my best to put him on the right track....the facts are there without having to misquote them...

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Kelpers need to organize a cheerleading squad for the rotting roadkillian swimmers/contestants to help motivate them. Alternatively they can chum the channel behind them to give them added incentive. Four miles? How hard can that be?

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • presidenteallende

    I leave an interesting article to read:

    http://www.infobae.com/2013/03/11/700320-el-relato-ingles-desenmascarado-un-libro

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PDG0192

    @62: Your point being what exactly? An article about a book that Gott has written? That Britain gave Hong Kong back to China? It was only ever leased from China for 99 years, therefore it was always going to be given back when the lease was up.
    Argentina didn't exist when the Falkland Islands were first colonised by the British (not the English). What would become Argentina was situated 1000 miles north.
    If truth be told, the Welsh settlers have a bigger claim to Patagonia than the Argentinians. What happened to the indigenous population of what is now Argentina?
    If you're going to cite Vernet next, please don't because even he (a businessman) was polite enough to ask the British if he could set up a business in the Falklands. The “usurpation” that you speak of earlier was the British kicking a murderer off the Islands, most of Vernet's people opted to stay and many of their descendants still live here today.
    Gott is just a journo who hates the establishment.

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    62- Would you like the names of the 24 or so civilians who freely elected to stay on and accept British Sovereignty of the Islands in Jan 1833?
    Some of them were from the U.P. - today,s Argentina and some of their blood still exists in today,s Islanders - yes Argentine blood voted yet again in 2013 to keep British Sovereignty in the Islands!
    Sort of buggers your story a bit!

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 03:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    Within 25 years the Chinese will have finished the construction of the malvinas in the South China sea.

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    62 presidenteallende
    He is viewed by many, and with good reason as a de facto traitor, so he has zero credibility.
    “Gott resigned as literary editor of the Guardian in 1994 after it was alleged in The Spectator that he had been an ”agent of influence“ for the KGB, claims which he rejected, arguing that ”Like many other journalists, diplomats and politicians, I lunched with Russians during the cold war“. He asserted that his resignation was ”a debt of honour to my paper, not an admission of guilt“, because his failure to inform his editor of three trips abroad to meet with KGB officials at their expense had caused embarrassment to the paper during its investigation of Jonathan Aitken.
    The source of the allegation that he was an agent, KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky. In his resignation letter Gott admitted ”I took red gold, even if it was only in the form of expenses for myself and my partner. That, in the circumstances, was culpable stupidity, though at the time it seemed more like an enjoyable joke”.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Gott

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    @62 Presidentallende

    I think this link will make Richard Gotts comments more understandable

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @67

    Haha,
    President Allende, Dany Burger, and Marcos are “repeaters”

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    67 darragh
    “I think this link will make Richard Gotts comments more understandable”
    I can't see any relevance to David Icke. I think it displays Gott in his true light, and explains precisely why the Guardian promotes such an anti-Btitish bias. Which goes way beyond fair comment.

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self-Determination

    six kilometers.....wow, I didnt know sh*t floated that long.

    sounds like utter bollocks to me just an opportunity to publicly stage another false claim and a kick in the teeth for the Islanders who are the ones who live this reality day in day out.

    Its sad that the “pitiful” argentines cannot live and LET live.

    Aug 09th, 2015 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • St.John

    “presidenteallende” from Argentina:

    everything you write and much more has been extensively covered a couple of years ago, starting in (among several other threads)

    http://en.mercopress.com/2012/06/20/argentina-s-diplomatic-circus#comment140880

    The Duke of Wellington quote is taken out of context. Read 20 lines before and after the quote in the original text.
    It continues: “That which I would recommend is that the government of Buenos [Ayres] should be very quietly but very distinctly informed that His Majesty has claims upon Falklands Islands and that His Majesty will not allow of any settlement upon, or any cession to, individuals or foreign nations of these islands by Buenos Ayres, which shall be inconsistent with the King’s acknowledged right of sovereignty.”

    Ronald Campbell, Gerald Spicer, Sir Malcolm Robertson, John Troutbeck, John Vyvyan, all base their thoughts on one single memorandum, written by an assistant librarian named Gaston de Bernhardt, memorandum of December 7, 1910 (FO 881/9755) based on the documents he had access to more than a century ago.

    While you are at it:

    How did Argentina acquire the provinces Misiones, Formosa and Chaco?

    How did Argentina acquire Patagonia?

    How did Argentina acquire Argentina from Spain?

    How did Spain acquire Spanish America?

    Are you about to leave South America and hand the country over to the original owners?

    Aug 09th, 2015 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Hepatia

    The UK will return the Malvinas within the next 25 years.

    Aug 10th, 2015 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @ Hepatia ,

    Argentina will surrender its sovereignty to China, in far less than 25 years.

    Justice for Nisman!!

    Justice for the AMIA victims!

    Aug 10th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l doubt that Argentina will survive the next 25 years.
    Sad.

    Aug 10th, 2015 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @75 Hepatia

    Argentina will return Ushuaia and Santa Cruz within the next 25 years.

    Aug 10th, 2015 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @75 Pete Bog,
    And the land that they stole from Paraguay.
    That will be returned also.
    lt will be in the terms of surrender that Argentina will be FORCED to honour.

    Aug 11th, 2015 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Usurping Pirate

    August 11th 2015 . 09.09BST

    A great part of the province of Buenos Aires is under water , because money budgeted for flood defence work is “ diverted ” for more important projects such as buying votes , government propaganda and airtime on TV .
    In order to save money , the team of swimmers will swim from Temperley to Lanus , which is roughly the same distance as Falkland Sound .

    Aug 11th, 2015 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Apparently there is a fith swimmer armed with a net to collect all the human excreta ahead of the team that is swimming between Temperley and lanus.

    Aug 11th, 2015 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    78

    l - anus or You - anus???

    Aug 11th, 2015 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Uranus? what planet are you on?

    Aug 11th, 2015 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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