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Falklands' claim and sea access for Bolivia in the same package for Evo Morales

Friday, August 7th 2015 - 06:19 UTC
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The Argentine government should support with 'determination' Bolivia's sea outlet claim to Chile, because if successful it will be so much easier for Argentina to recover the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, said Bolivian president Evo Morales in an interview. Read full article

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  • Roger Lorton

    As Argentina took advantage of the 1879 to force Chile into handing over half of Tierra del Fuego, would Argentina have to give that land back if Bolivia gained access to the sea?

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Naive Morales is being played by the propaganda apparatus of CFK and Timerman.

    Morales - everybody's fool.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zathras

    Maybe Chile can use this to it's advantage.

    As Argentina is not supporting Chile...

    Chile can stop supporting Argentina.

    Telling Bolivia it's claims on Chile are as false as Argentinian claims on the Falkland Islands.

    Just a thought.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 07:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jmackiej

    They all claim each others territories, its like going back 200 years with this lot. Try working with each other instead and stop behaving like small children.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Yup, The Pope has been invited to Umpire the final Test Match. And Simon Cowell is considering inviting him to be a Britains got Talent judge! Bahahahahaha!

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Bolivia & Peru started, then lost a war with Chile & now Bolivia wants to turn back the clock as if the war had never ever happened!
    You lose a war, bucko & you take the consequences.
    You do not dictate the Peace Terms! ldiotas!
    Now what does that remind me of?
    Oh yes, the failed rogue state of Argentina invaded our land & was decisively defeated, then tries to turn back the clock by demanding“negotiations”!!!!!
    You lost, Argentina, you had no valid claim anyway & now you delude yourselves that we want to talk to you about OUR Sovereignty?
    You are the comedians of the year.
    Get out of here,
    and shut the door on your way out.
    Losers.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Bolivia won't get what it wants.
    Venezuela won't get what it wants.
    Argentina won't get what it wants.

    They can whinge and whine for hundreds of years but it won't change reality.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • darragh

    “I'm saying that the Argentine government must support with determination this maritime demand of ours, because this way it will be much easier for Argentina to recover the Malvinas”,

    What...... - where's the connection???? - How would Bolivia 'persuading' Chile to grant them 'access' to the sea make it easier for Argentina to further it's imperialist dreams in the South Atlantic?

    Oh, wait a minute I get it ..if Bolivia got access to the sea the UK would be so terrified of Bolivia's naval might that it would immediately withdraw it's support for the Falkland Islands. - yeah that's it - game over then.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    chilotelandia & england...mon dieu.
    thieves & pirates.
    they deserve each other.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    Bolivia gave its claim away when they signed a treaty back in those years, period.

    I see no problem with them trying to get sea access, but if the basis of their claim of what happened back in the late XIX century, they are done.
    Why not simply negotiating access based on other reasons? a lease maybe?

    As for this pope-dude ... what a clown (sorry catholic guys, but he is nothing but a peronist-populist-supporter)

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Correct Paul, they do.

    What will you do about it?

    Yep just as I thought..... Nothing.

    Impotent like your government.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @10. Doesn't really matter. Part X of UNCLOS defines RIGHT OF ACCESS OF LAND-LOCKED STATES TO AND FROM THE SEA AND FREEDOM OF TRANSIT
    And then when we look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivia#Foreign_relations
    we can see that Bolivia has had the requisite access to the sea since 1884. I'd say Bolivia's got all it's going to get.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 12

    Even better, they could get a more beneficial deal if they put BS aside and maturely suggest a mutually-beneficial agreement.
    But they chose the `they are evil and all my problem are caused by others´ approach, and yes, I think they will not get anything better than the current Part X.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    It's only your territory if you can defend it.
    Plain and simple.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @10 SebaSvtz
    They already have access to the sea. We built and maintain a railway from Bolivia to port. They can send their goods duty free through Chilean territory and use port facilities.

    Bolivian leaders are always more interested in the usefulness of this issue for internal consumption than they are in actually recovering land.

    It is actually wrong of me to say “recovering” land, because the corridor to the sea that they seek would run through land that was Peruvian. This is the point at which any agreement would inevitably fail.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britworker

    @14

    Yes I quite agree, the only thing some of these south americans understand is a damned good beating. Shame Chile has chosen time and time again to support the bully boys against the Falklands, now their 'friends' are turning on them, pity.

    Still there will be some rapiers going cheap on the Falklands as they are replaced with FLAADS, they might want to enquire very politely with H M Government about buying them.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    @Britworker
    I have told you time and time again that you misunderstand the situation with Chile.

    Any of the Islanders on here will verify that for you.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Evo Morales

    Should be demanding back the land that Argentina stole, rather than encourage Argentina to steal even more,
    what a fool.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pete Bog

    @9
    “chilotelandia & england...mon dieu.
    they deserve each other.”

    That's fine-Chile are providing the Falkland islands with an air link, workers and trade while pretending to support your false claim-can't you see they are taking the mickey out of you?

    “The government of president Morales presented in 2013 a demand before the International Court of Justice in The Hague hoping for a decision that forces Chile to negotiate with Bolivia the sea outlet claim”

    With what result?

    “on his return flight to Rome he said it was 'unfair' that Bolivia should be demanding access to the sea, ”

    Unfair that Cowpat should have to demand access, or Cowpat's demand that was unfair?

    Sounds like a politically ambiguous statement that can be read both ways.

    “ because this way it will be much easier for Argentina to recover the Malvinas”, said Morales to the Santa Cruz daily, El Deber.”

    In an area where Falkland farmers settled before Argentinians-of course Cowpat if you are helping Argentina with your armed forces-check out the UK military's capability first.
    And I'll even wish you 'Good Luck' in staying alive.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    So the Cowpat is now defacto the mouth of The Dope of a Pope?

    No doubt the Dope will be impressed by that but he encourages such nonsense by bringing politics into the hallowed hall of religious delusion for the masses.

    He should follow his saviour and be nailed to the nearest tree on his next visit to SA.

    Now that I would pay to see that. I bet he wouldn't rise from the grave though, just like the original.

    Bat-shit crazy, the children that 'rule' SA.

    Aug 07th, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    @14 yankeeboy
    A perfectly succinct summary.
    The ultimate 'line in the sand'.

    Consider my cap doffed sir.

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    oh! poor Islanders I will be scared to shit and praying god (even being an atheist) to don't allow Bolivia to send her Navy and nuclear subs to fight the Britishhhh down there...

    They are so good at that none in this world have ever deteted one of them.

    “As Argentina took advantage of the 1879 to force Chile into handing over half of Tierra del Fuego, would Argentina have to give that land back if Bolivia gained access to the sea?”

    I guess that Argentina wouldn't have any problem to give Chile back to Bolivia, Why?

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • downunder

    “The Argentine government should support with 'determination' Bolivia's sea outlet claim to Chile, because if successful it will be so much easier for Argentina to recover the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, said Bolivian president Evo Morales ……..”

    Ah yes, the fatal flaw in Argentina’s ‘grand strategy’ towards the Falklands is exposed. Argentina claims that ‘everybody’ supports their sovereignty claim to the Falklands; ‘everybody’ includes Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela and even Guyana.
    Yet who does Argentina support in the Bolivia/Chile dispute or the Venezuela/Guyana dispute? Clearly the Bolivian pressy isn’t too sure about the plastic lady’s support in his dispute.

    Argentina’s splendid plan to unite the world in opposition to the Falkland’s is being mugged by the reality of Latin American politics. Too bad, so sad.

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jack Bauer

    Morales has been sniffing again......it's when he's 'high' that he gets these grand visions of himself as a Statesman...

    Aug 08th, 2015 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Self-Determination

    Self_determination.....The UN spanner in the Vile Expansionist works!

    I think Latin Cretinus will find The Falkland Islanders have a voice and used it, putting an end to argentinas false claims lies and misinformation over a territory they never had or ever will.

    Self-Determination..... how do those apples taste??

    maybe the pope should stick to kissing babies and riding his dope ass bulletproof ice cream van... he is no politician just another deluded old man abusing his position (makes a change from choir boys) who also claims to have found god in the arsehole of the world.

    Aug 09th, 2015 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Don Alberto

    I have always thought that Evo Morales looks stupid, but people can look stupid and be intelligent - obviously not in the Evo case.

    “we informed the pope in depth of the situation” said Morales
    In plain English it is called ”we lied to the pope”.

    According to international law since the hills were young and until late 1918 (formally) and 1945 (de facto) territory could be - and has to a great extent been - acquired by force.

    Aug 09th, 2015 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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