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Scotland, Canada, Chile and Norway committed to a sustainable aquaculture industry

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Scotland, Canada, Chile and Norway will work together to promote and grow the aquaculture industry sustainably. The four countries are the world's main exporters of farmed salmon. Read full article


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  • paulcedron II

    Scotland, Canada, Chile and Norway committed to a sustainable aquaculture industry

    lets see...
    chilotelandia is basically a desert.
    their first problem is to stop desertification, which is impossible to solve, taking in account the narrow mind of the chilotes.
    and as far as the whole fucking world knows, you CANNOT promote acquaculture in a desert.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Englander

    Capisce? That's a thinking woman's word.
    Paul, you sure you're not Mrs Think in disguise?
    As I remember Think also hated anything to do with Chile.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Carrick1

    @1 Typical stupid comment from Paul.
    The article summary refers to 'farmed salmon' above, which normally requires sea lochs, fjords or sea channels for the aquaculture.
    In a few seconds searching, Chile has plenty of sea channels available for aquaculture use.
    So it looks like Chile is very well set up to expand its fish farming industry.
    Ignoring the hate, comment @1 looks very foolish.
    (An aside: aquaculture/ any farming in a desert - start with a desalination plant. Some have turned the desert green, in other lands!)

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    1 paulcedron I “ basically a desert”
    Oops! shot yourself in the foot again. So how are they managing this miracle?

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Although some of these issues are hard for your simple mind to understand, I feel a sense of duty to help the less fortunate. So I will explain, but I will break it in to small chunks for you:

    The parts of Chile where you find fish farming are in the south.
    The south is very rainy. In fact it is home to the Valdivian rain forest (the name is a clue). The forest is found mostly in Chile although some continues to Argentina, but not too far because there is less rain over there. Some parts of the south receive up to 10m of rain per year, putting them among the rainiest places in the world.

    In fact Chile is ranked number 15 in the world in terms of renewable fresh water, even higher than Argentina (higher in this context means more water). And if you convert that to fresh water per capita, well we have almost 3x as much water per person as you do. All that lovely water.

    Now don't concern your empty little head with desertification. Every year agriculture creeps further north and higher up the hills. There are even vines up in San Pedro now.

    Now I know you are going to squeal and make all sorts of childish noises at this, but it is important that you know. We have half the area under vine that Argentina does but our wine industry makes double the USD that yours does. Double. This is one of the many reasons our central bank has greater reserves than yours. More water AND more money, lovely.

    H2O to USD wouldn't your Dear Leader just love to know how to do that.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Newsflash Walmart does not even buy Chilean salmon anymore as it is so full of antibiotics and other toxins.
    Sustainable farming my ass!

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    we already know you are not too bright.
    what can we expect from you being a chilote, eh?.
    anyway you should know a bit more about your “”country“”.
    the desertification is integral, you asshole.

    Hoy se afirma que la desertificación avanza, a razón de un metro por día, como promedio. Este avance ha originado que, hasta hoy, haya unos 48 millones de hectáreas afectadas por dicho fenómeno que se da con mayor intensidad en la precordillera de las regiones de Tarapacá y Antofagasta, en la faja costera que va desde Arica a Coquimbo, las zonas agrícolas de la III y IV Regiones, el secano costero que abarca desde las regiones de Valparaíso a Biobío, la precordillera andina entre las regiones de O’Higgins y Biobío, y las zonas ya degradadas entre la Araucanía y Aysén.

    “Vinos pálidos: La desertificación que avanza hacia la zona central”
    El desierto avanza hacia el sur y terminará instalándose entre Rancagua y Curicó. Los grandes vinos de los valles centrales
    empiezan a perder su color y necesitarán trasladarse al sur del Bíobío para mantener su calidad y particularidad. Los glaciares
    pierden más agua de la que acumulan. La temperatura aumenta progresivamente provocando cambios en la agricultura. La sequía
    entra en su sexto o séptimo año consecutivo. Los agricultores claman por embalsar toda el agua antes de que llegue al océano.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    I get the impression that paulie doesn't know what aquaculture actually is, or where it takes place.
    (Big hint - look in the sea, the lochs, the fjords and the rivers!)

    What a plonker!

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Condorito

    Thank you for coming back and proving me correct with your childish squealing.

    Now again for your education .... by definition “desertification” is a process that cannot affect a desert. The Atacama region is a desert. The other droughts your article refers to are cyclical (8 years approx) Here in Elqui our 8 year drought is ending.

    As for the wines: there are new vineyards south of the BioBio, but they are in addition to traditional locations. The areas which have seen the greatest increase in the last decade are in the north. Yes the dry north. Amazing. Desert defying. How do we do it?

    So don't worry about the water, we have way way more water than you do.
    And don't worry about the wine, it earns us twice the USD yours does.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Poor little Paulie- as ever he opens his mouth and inserts both feet to the knees and both hands up to the armpits!

    Condorito, A couple of years ago I was up in Arica on Hols and was VERY impressed with the green valley in the desert- desalinated water pumped up for irrigation and crops growing in what was barren dry sand producing all year round and a highly prized quality seed multiplication area by the international seed companies as the area is naturally virtually pest and disease free - and SAG working hard to maintain that status.
    Then further up in the Andes several examples of where Chilean Govt and SAG have provided irrigation channels for the local indigenous folks to improve their crops etc from natural springs that were in awkward places.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    clearly you dont know what desertification is.
    it is not that difficult, even for a chilote, but your case seems to be a lot more serious.

    so, here you have the definition:
    [dih-zur-tuh-fi-key-shuh n]
    noun, Ecology
    the processes by which an area becomes a desert.
    the rapid depletion of plant life and the loss of topsoil at desert boundaries and in semiarid regions, usually caused by a combination of drought and the overexploitation of grasses and other vegetation by people.

    the whole chilotelandia is becoming a useless desert.
    and the responsible of that shite are...guess who... exactly, the useless chilotes.
    not only the shitty climate you have there, but also YOU, chilotes.

    overexploitation of the land, lack of resources, lack of knowledge, lack of water, poor agricultural techniques are making of chilotelandia the new sahara.

    you, dear useless chilotes, should learn a bit from the marvelous argentinian agronomists who invented and developed the siembra directa.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    And..Pork Cedron, Chiles biggest market for wines - Great Britain! Whilst your industry continues to die, particularly Mendoza. Doest help your idiot Pope holding up stupid signs.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    Condorito, good defense, but wasted on the imbicle.

    A few points: in general, Chilean wine is FAR superior to Argentine wine. Almost all wine vineyards are drip irrigated so even in drought years, the wine industry continues to produce world class premium wines. Our table grapes, planted as far north as Copiapo are world renowned. (There has been an unfortunate loss of many orchardsin some northern areas due to the extended drought, but in general Chile's exports of grapes, citrus, avocadoes... is highly sought after.

    In the south where the rainfall is abundant we export timber, blueberries, raspberries, cranberries and an enourmous amount of farmed salmon.

    Finally, one of the most beautiful green lush islands on earth is Chiloé.
    Also, the Chilean Patagonia is much more beautiful with far more glaciers than Argentina.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    bunch of pelotudos

    first the chilote @13
    lol, you are a true imbecile, chilote.

    chilote wines are shite.
    luckily they will cease to exist in a pair of years.

    the fact is chilotelandia is a cesspit.
    it is becoming in a cesspit without water, ie pure shite.

    watch and learn, useless chilote
    Para el 2050 Santiago de Chile Sera Practicamente un Desierto

    now the voice of pelotudez @12
    so “great” (lol) britain is the biggest market for chilote wines??
    little britain is an insignificant market for anything, you asshole.
    and the english are known for having the worst taste ever.

    they deserve each

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Frustrations of an Argentine that is madly envious of their superior next door neighbor that has become the most widely admired and respected country in South America.

    Far better public healthcare, education, universities... the list is continuous. With the highest ranked university in Latin America, the second highest ranked medical clinic, the best police force, the best military (especially the commissioned naval officers, who's fame for being charming, handsome and highly intelligent is without debate), the highest per capita income, the most business friendly infrastructure, the most democratic government, the least corrupt society and certainly the best wine! Oh yes, WINNERS OF THE COPA AMERICA! We kicked Argentina's arse!)

    FYI: Despite rumors of the lack of water in the north of Chile, there are several successful small Aquaculture operations in both the III and IV regions along the coast. (Yes, sad news for many, but the Atacama region has now become a desert... It was just announced in the El Mercurio last week and the Chilean populace is still in shock!)

    In Argentina's defense: they have abundant soya, wheat, corn, a diminishing wine industry (with only a tiny portion producing good Malbec wine) a former fame of producing fabulous beef (which has nearly disappeared) and a failed Vaca Muerte shale oil reserve that has become financially unfeasible to develop.

    They are unable (as well as willing) to pay their bloated national debts, leaving only China as their sole source if credit and the terms are ruinous.

    Yes, little imbecile, you have a lot to crow about...

    By the way, the UK is one of the most sought after markets for wine producers to sell their product. Same for fresh fruit. They pay generally higher than the rest of Europe and certainly higher than the USA.

    Aug 19th, 2015 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    imbecile chilote 15
    Sequía en Chile: los grandes efectos de la desertificación en la flora y fauna
    Los últimos años Chile ha sido marcado por un déficit de precipitaciones que ha disminuido las reservas de aguas y afectado los suelos A LO LARGO DEL PAÍS.

    expertos señalan que dada la prevalencia de esta reducción de las precipitaciones, no sólo los suministros de agua para la sociedad se han visto afectados sino que también la flora y fauna del territorio nacional.

    Chile es uno de los países que más se ha visto afectado por el cambio climático en el mundo. Desde 2007 hemos estado en un proceso largo de sequía que ha mantenido una reducción de 30% a 50% de las precipitaciones

    Alfaro agrega que esta sequía y la consecuente desertificación que se ha visto agravada por la gran deforestación que existe en Chile, la sobre explotación de los suelos y los incendios forestales, han agotado las reservas de agua que existen bajo tierra y que son estas condiciones las que están afectando a la vegetación local.

    “Al haber menos lluvia hay menos vegetación y eso afecta a toda la cadena trófica. Hay menos alimento disponible para los herbívoros y por consiguiente también para los carnívoros”.



    Aug 19th, 2015 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Well, based on your information I guess I need to start thinking about immigrating to another civilized Latin country...
    ...Ecuador? Argentina? Brazil? Venezuela?...
    ...Frankly, I do like Uruguay... I'll plan on moving when the Rio Fuy bordering my small farm in the X region runs dry...

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    Okay. So a quiet newsday regarding the UK as far as Mercopress is concerned?
    Hmmm. .. so paul-carrion is directing his inadequate vitriolic spew at Chile instead?
    How really, really sad.
    Things must be getting desperate in Argentina, he must be getting desperate to keep the 'peso per post' trolling contract he is on.
    Sad little wanker.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Paul just proves Argentinean education.

    It is a joy to watch.

    “...desertification, which is impossible to solve...”

    Proof that with an Argentinean education you can't solve it, but doesn't mean others can't.

    Keep it up Paul, you are a credit to your country!!!!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    the sentence is : “their first problem is to stop desertification, which is impossible to solve, taking in account the narrow mind of the chilotes.”

    some kinds of desertification are impossible to reverse, you nabo x (1.000.000)2.
    the one that occurs in chilotelandia, product of climate change + overexploitation of the land + reduced rainfall + lack of imagination, knowledge and engineering, results in a irreversible phenomenon.

    you are not very bright, are you skippy?

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Hey Paulie - I vist UK each year - I can assure you in ANY Supermarket or Offlicence for every 1 brand of Argentine wine on the shelves - there will be FIVE Chilean - same when it comes to fruit in season from the Southern hemisphere - Oh and did you not know that fruit production needs water? So how come Chile grows so much of the worlds export fruit that is travelling around the world?

    Of course in the whole of Argentina there is not even ONE kilometre square of overgrazed and eroded drying land???????? I think there are.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    dear isleteer-1-neurone
    “ I can assure you in ANY Supermarket or Offlicence for every 1 brand of Argentine wine on the shelves - there will be FIVE Chilean”

    thats because the english are the people with the worst taste on earth.
    what the fuck can an englander know about wines, eh?
    nothing, zilch, zero, nada de nada, rien de tout.

    and as i have wisely said, england is an insignificant market.


    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    Argentines seem quite happy to ship their wine to Bolivia, Brazil and Venezuela...

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 02:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    So Chileans can't stop desertification according to an Argentinean.

    Guess we will just wait and see.

    Considering Chile is wealthier, more stable, better governed, more democratic and better educated than Argentina; I will bet on them over an opinion of someone with an Argentinean education who can't even find a job.

    I mean 18 million Chileans produce and export more than 41 million Argentinians.... aaaah the waft of Peronism again - smell it Paul, you know you like it!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo


    We not only produce more than our Argentine brothers, but we also pay our debts!

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 04:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Hahaha. How amusing to watch one of PC's meltdowns. He is eaten up with jealousy.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip


    That is why Argentina is sliding backwards and Chile is tracking to become a developed country.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron II

    assholes various and my lovely elaina:

    let's see what the useless ex presidente piñera said about the matter:

    ”En este contexto, el Presidente precisó que “actualmente se estima que casi dos tercios de nuestro territorio, aproximadamente 48 millones de hectáreas, están afectadas en mayor o menor medida por la desertificación”

    for you bunch of monoglots, the twat said that 2/3 of chilotelandia are affected by a severe desertification.
    ie, 48 million ha.
    now, trying to revert that phenomenon would be like trying to convert the sahara in the marvelous selva misionera, which has the biggest freshwater reservoir on earth, called acuífero guaraní.

    But let's see what the useless chilotes have done so far and still do:
    1. deforestation,
    2. inadequate infrastructure
    3. improper/ inappropriate agriculture
    4. insufficient research and development.

    as i have wisely, wisely said, their shitty climate and the brainless chilotes are guilty of converting chilotelandia in a wasteland.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    11 paulcedron II
    I guess one should put one's own house in order before you level criticism at your neighbours.
    ARGENTINA: Three-Quarters of “Breadbasket” Is Drylands
    By Marcela Valente
    BUENOS AIRES, Feb 25 2012 (IPS) - How has Argentina managed to maintain its image as one of the world’s breadbaskets when a full three-fourths of its territory consists of drylands? This was one of the questions raised by the scientists who decided to create the National Observatory on Land Degradation and Desertification this year.

    Nearly 70 percent of Argentine forests lost in a century
    .. the Environmental Secretariat said at a UN conference on desertification.
    Forests that spread across 100 million hectares (247 million acres) in 1900 have dwindled to 33.19 million hectares (82 million acres), officials said.
    “In 100 years, we have lost between 60 and 70 percent of our forest heritage,” Environmental Undersecretary Sergio La Rocca told reporters on Friday.
    Forest destruction has accelerated in the past 10 years with the boom of soy crops, a major motor of growth in Argentina, the top exporter of soy flour and oil and the third-largest exporter of soy seeds.
    The northern province of Salta alone lost 26 percent of its forests in the past 30 years, according to a study by the College of Agronomics at the University of Buenos Aires (UBA).
    The UBA study found that in 2007, “the highest rate was reached: 2.1 percent of forests destroyed in a single year.”
    Faced with the breadth of the devastation in the province, the Supreme Court ordered a halt to deforestation in natural forests, following an appeal by indigenous populations.
    The move ran counter to the provincial authorities, which had authorized forest exploitation...

    Desertification Research in Argentina 7 JUL 2015
    In Latin America, Argentina is second – behind Brazil – in

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    This debate is finished, but I might add that due to an excellent tax break and subsidy program offered by the Chilean grovernment program, hundreds of thousands of hectares of forrests were planted here resulting in a positive increase over the past century. Just saying...

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Terence Hill

    29 Terence Hill continued
    Desertification Research in Argentina 7 JUL 2015
    In Latin America, Argentina is second – behind Brazil – in extent of drylands: 55% of its territory. Research on desertification and dryland degradation has a lengthy tradition, being undertaken even prior to the establishment of the United Nations Convention to Combat Desertification. The paper aims to analyse desertification research in Argentina, the disciplines from which its knowledge arises and the topics receiving greater attention. The work focuses on the results from descriptive, bibliometric and social network analyses of a sample of articles on desertification in scientific journals indexed in Web of Science. A visual representation of citation relationships was created considering keywords such as ‘desertification’, ‘dry*land*’, ‘*arid’ and ‘development’, ‘policy’ or ‘economy’ among others, in ‘Argentina’. According to this search, the number of papers per year dealing with desertification in Argentina is only 4·3. National knowledge, usually categorized as traditional knowledge, is barely captured by international databases.

    Aug 20th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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