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Malvinas pic controversy: “Francis spoke with his low tone but strong voice”
Despite the controversy generated by Wednesday picture which showed Pope Francis holding a banner calling for dialogue between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the Falkland/Malvinas Islands, and later a spokesperson's dismissal of the significance of the incidence, the best definition of what really happened seems to have come from Argentina's cabinet chief Anibal Fernandez in his daily media conference, “the pontiff”, he said, spoke with his “low tone but strong voice”. Read full article
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Aug 21st, 2015 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting statement.
Anywhere else in the world diddling a pensioner tends to be frowned upon. Mind you, you'd think as an Argentine the Holy Father might be a bit more alert to the practice of viveza criolla. He's fallen here for one of the oldest tricks in the book.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Vatican doesnt do politics, it doesnt support Argentinas intimidation and blockade. The Pope is irrelavent to 85% of the worlds population and despised by 50% as a medieval anachronism holding humanity back. The RGs can peddle their lies and bile which makes British resolve stronger. Argentina is progressivly becoming a laughing stock and that is a fact.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The pope does politics But those of his choosing. Not ones somebody tries to bounce him into.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0especially when the “talks” are cover for give us the Falklands.
Its over you invaded we had to go to war to get them back your never getting them
“Today there is no country in the world that recognizes UK’s rights over Malvinas and what the Pope has simply done,.........“
Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0'no country in the world” says the Argentine head of ministers. He would fit in well with the lying trolls that spout their venom towards the Falkalnd Islands on this site.
With a government full of liars, and a well deserved reputation for being thieves, its no wonder that Argentina stands small amoung the pariahs of the planet.
I think there is a general difference in attitudes towards the relevance of the Pope, I don't think South Americans completely understand that the Catholic Church in the UK has roughly 5-6 million members, out of a population of nearly 64 million people.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not catholic, to me he is an old man in a dress which I can see any day of the week in Manchester's gay village.
The reputation of the Catholic Church in the UK is as low as it is possible to be and many people born Catholic do not go to church or have any interest in what it has to say.
So as far as dialogue is concerned, his relevance is irrelevant. In addition, Argentina has completely dismissed the response from the Vatican on this stunt, which demonstrates completely that they have no interest in dialogue.
When you consider the set up the Pope was subjected to and the response of the Argentinians. Did the person who placed this in his hands really think about what they were doing ? Didn't the politicians think how they should frame the response ? It's difficult to come to any other conclusion they are a nation of predominantly ignorant clowns run by nothing more than a bunch of political gangsters.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dear moustachioed liar Minister - suggest you ask the members of St Mary,s Catholic Church in Stanley what they think? - Oh sorry - I forgot they are nonbelievers in truth, colonialists and implants with no right to speak according to you and your boss!
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0#6
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0What has the number of Catholics in the UK got to do with what the banner the pope was holding.Does it signify another reason for the Irish independance movement and the expulsion of Protestantism from Northern Ireland by force or should there be dialogue and various belief system tolerated.
is it me or does he resemble a grey haired Manuel from Faulty Towers? “I know nothing I am from Buenos Aires” The whole Malvinas story is like a badly written comedy sketch.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Get real Rgees... The Falklands want to remain a British Overseas Territory .... and The Royal Navy, RAF and British Army say the will.
@9
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you want to try and put your post in a literate way, It does not make sense.
Argentina is desperately trying to squeeze milk from a dry udder, as usual. And showing themselves up as whiners and liars in the process. How embarrassing to be an Argie!
Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0@9
Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point is not that Catholic opinion can be instantly ignored but that it is not the majority opinion in the UK. It is perfectly understandable why a Catholic country like Argentina might tend to overestimate the influence of the (Argentine) Pope elsewhere, but that doesn't change the fact that the influence of the Catholic church has been massively diminished everywhere in the last 2 decades - indeed especially in Ireland since you brought that up. As for the ethnic cleansing of Protestants in NI, that was successful only in the border areas but failed overall. Hopefully it will not be attempted again. It's 2015 and the right to self-determination applies to NI as it does to Scotland and as it does to the FIs. Tricking the Pope into getting photographed with Argentine propaganda diminishes Argentina and hurts the Pope so this is another Malvinista fail I'm afraid.
@9. You're right. Britworker should have taken into account that an argie might read his comment. I think he was trying to convey that the majority of Brits don't give a toss what the Pope holds or says. Where does Irish independEnce come into it?
Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Today there is no country in the world that recognizes UK’s rights over Malvinas“
Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0What is legally binding is the views of nations of 1833, then not one nation supported Argentina's claim their ”silence“ is indicative of support for the UK. Any change of opinion post 1945 is merely a none-binding political vox populi decision.
”Customary international law; Silence as consent;
Generally, sovereign nations must consent in order to be bound by a particular treaty or legal norm. However, international customary laws are norms that have become pervasive enough internationally that countries need not consent in order to be bound. In these cases, all that is needed is that the state has not objected to the law....”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customary_intern...
There being no official protests to the UK by Argentina after 1888 until 1947. Over fifty years had passed, which is more than enough to cause Argentina to lose the right to even pursue a legal claim.
She would also be stopped dead in her tracks by the admissions of her past president, and vice-president to congress that Argentina had no unresolved disputes with any country. Finally, the legal effect of the 1850 Convention would totally void all Argentine pretensions.
#11
Aug 21st, 2015 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try again to understand.If you still can't it's not my problem.
#13
Failing to see the others point of view means you haven't considered matters fully and your view of matters will probably be limited.Where do you get ethnic cleansing from is a example.While the opinions of Catholics are insignificant in the UK,observing UN resolutions is not a religous matter,is it?
#14
Glad you choose to speak for others who can't speak for themselves,but I am aware of what britworker posted.You think it was a correct comment do you?
Ireland(the republic) comes from the fact that they are a catholic country but without the independance war their views would be of a catholic minority,and that,to me,comes across as of no consequence to the old British empire thinking
that is still prevalent it would appear, until you fail to convince the Yankees to support you as in the case of the Malvinas.
Shows his ignorance in claiming that no country supports UK's rights over the Falklands, because I seem to recall that most of the Commonwealth accept them, together with most of the EU as well.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only countries that support Argentina's claim have either been bribed to do so or have a vested interest in it.
It's simply stupid to claim that no-one supports the Falkland Islanders, because even the UN Secretary General has endorsed their rights of Self Determination. But then Argentina likes to pretend that the Islanders don't exist.
Funny that, because when they invaded in 1982, they said that they would respect the Islander's rights. What you expect from Argentina. A nation of hypocrites.
@6 Britworker
Aug 21st, 2015 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am a British Catholic and I can assure you that in the major city where I live(there are both Anglican and Catholic cathedrals) with 8 Catholic parishes most of the churches are full every Sunday.
Back in 1982 the Vatican without an Argentine pope didn't want the UK to clear the Argentines off the islands as total defeat would bring in communists! Is the Vatican that generous with its own territories and treasure I wonder? .. Then comes a fervent Argentine pope who sided openly with Argentina as Bergoglio, and now makes a “mistake” of supporting Argentina “by accident”. In Argentina it is common expectation that if you have a high office you will be willing to corrupt it to help your mates .. that could have been what really happened here.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 Yuleno
Aug 21st, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“...until you fail to convince the Yankees to support you as in the case of the Malvinas.”
I will assume that once Obama is gone the US will revert to it's long held traditional view of the Monroe Doctrine thus:
'As late as 1886 the Secretary of State found it necessary to inform the Argentine Government that as “the resumption of actual occupation of the Falkland Islands by Great Britain in 1833 took place under a claim of title which had been previously asserted and maintained by that Government, it is not seen that the Monroe Doctrine, which has been invoked on the part of the Argentine Republic, has any application to the case. By the terms in which that principle of international conduct was announced, it was expressly excluded from retroactive operation.”
P.60 Sovereignty and the Falkland Islands Crisis D.W. Greig
Argies why not ask the Pope to send in the Swiss guards?
Aug 21st, 2015 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Should perform better than you 17 year old starving conscripts.
After all it's difficult to run away with that choice of footware.
@18
Aug 21st, 2015 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My point is that the Catholic Church, a minority religion in the UK which is now universally associated with paedophilia, has no relevance in the sovereignty decisions of the people of the Falkland Islands.
Using the Pope as a bargaining chip to to try and sway opinion in the UK is laughable and shows a deep seated ignorance on the part of South Americans regarding modern UK life, which is free of pious instruction from Rome.
@ 18
Aug 21st, 2015 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I am a British Catholic and I can assure you that in the major city where I live(there are both Anglican and Catholic cathedrals) with 8 Catholic parishes most of the churches are full every Sunday.”
And your point is what?
It is VERY difficult to determine how many RC nut-jobs there are in the UK since nothing of any credibility to assess the number has been done since 2010.
Since that time it is estimated by the most senior RC Bloke in a Dress that 90,000 RCs leave the 'faith' every year. Given that in 2010 there were 5M RC's (approx.) then the current number could be as low as 4,550,000 and getting lower every year.
GOOD!
More and more people coming to their senses, apart from those that croak and find out 'there's nothing after this life' (or a 'car park' as told by an American comedian).
The 'final disappointment' as I call it.
As mentioned in the previous story, the pope is not actually holding the poster, he was photobombed by someone holding the poster in front of him.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If this is the only process by which Argentina can claim support then it is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel!
What next? A picture of David Cameron with some in front of him holding up a sign claiming the Falklands are part of Argentina? Who, but a complete idiot, would fall for that one? And yet Anibal, CFK et al jumped on the pope's photo instantly. The joke must be on them now!
Argentina is finished, what we are seeing, is the last throws of a broken dice from a deluded woman who has destroyed her country for her own ego,
Aug 21st, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she is finished and Argentina can do nothing but cry...
@16: Yuleno: “observing UN resolutions is not a religous matter,is it?” No, you're right it isn't.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are alluding to Resolution 2065? Can you have a quick check of Resolution 502? This supersedes 2065, in that Argentina was told to do something and refused. It was issued in 1982. Until then the UK had been following advice and was sticking with “dialogue”. Once you invaded, things changed. Basically, Argentina had nullified 2065.
The last time Argentina was invited to have some dialogue, Timerman refused. Is that Britain not “dialoguing”? I checked out Timerman and he is definitely an Argie.
Britain and the Falkland Islands are secular countries and the Pope has no jusisdiction.
If you all think so highly of what the Pope stands for and the book he uses, perhaps you ought to let us all know what “thou shalt not covert thy neighbours' ox” actually means?
Argentina is a morally corrupt country, paying lip-service to anything that drifts through its transom, backing up its illegitimate claims to lands it doesn't need, disregarding the wishes of a population already living there quite happily.
#22
Aug 21st, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was clearly you're intention,but because a group of people is a minority
in a country doesn't mean they are right or wrong.But doesn't a democracy need to take cognisance of all the people.Youre remarks have the old empire attitude.
Why do you think there is a need to persuade the British people to support Argentina's claim for sovreignity of Las Malvinas.The UN support its case and calls for dialogue.
#26
I think you will find that your comments are incorrect.
Check out the de-colonisation department and what it has discussed since 1982.
History is interesting but what matters here is current matters.There is a case to answer but you want it both ways,that there isn't a case but the UK wanted to discuss the non-existing case but Timerman 's didn't want to.
Come on,which is it?And gibraltarians will be entitled to all the benefits of Catholics in Spain .
@27: I think you'll find that I am, indeed, correct. There is no reason to look into the C24 department as we are not talking about decolonisation. The Falkland Islands are not a colony, they are a British Overseas Territory and have elected to be so. You, on the other hand, alluded to the UN Res. 2065, saying that Britain refused to take part. Check your history, the Falkland Islands may well have become Argentine following discussions between Argentina and Britain in 1979, within five years of that year. However, in '82 Argentina invaded, nullifying 2065 because they failed to act on UN Res. 502 telling them to leave. You can't have it both ways, pal.
Aug 21st, 2015 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What benefits do the Gibraltarians get? Why should it have anything to do with Catholicism? Gibraltar is secular as well.
What benefits would the Falkland Islands get from Argentina? They, too, are not a Catholic country. Why does being Catholic have anything to do with it?
C24 is a talk-shop. It does not have the power to issue Resolutions and it is concerned with “decolonisation”. What has that to do with Argentina? Other than to encourage Argentina to re-invade and effectively colonise a people who have no desire at all to become Argentina.
Aníbal Fernández, a very senior member of the government of a country with Roman Catholicism as its official faith, openly contradicts a Vatican spokesman?
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A few hundred years ago the sod would have been burnt at the stake.
@29: There's time yet!
Aug 21st, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What 'benefits' would the Gibraltarians get by being part of Spain? HINT: One country has a successful economy and the other corruption. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/corruption-perceptions-index-scandalhit-spain-drops-10-places-in-global-corruption-rankings-led-by-somalia-north-korea-and-afghanistan-8980669.html
Aug 21st, 2015 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 ChrisR
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0What sad statements you make! May God(in whom you clearly don't believe) bless you!
Yuleno
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0If any country should be decolonised - then it's Argentina. 98% of your population are from Europe and the Amerindians want their country back.
There were no native Falkland Islanders, so decolonisation does not apply. Besides, the population of the Falkland Islands grew from the original colony that Louis Vernet formed. Although your Government likes to lie and suggest all the Argentines were evicted in 1833 - they were not.
22 of the original Vernet colonists stayed on the Islands. Some were Argentines, some were British. They were joined by others to form the Islanders that live there today.
You want proof of that - then look to another 'twisted' story that your Government uses. Antonio Rivero was an Argentine gaucho working on the islands with other gauchos. He had a dispute over pay with Vernet and killed Vernet's representative - so he was a common murderer - and was removed from the Islands.
So answer this - how was ALL the Argentines evicted in 1833, if Rivero was still on the Islands after the Argentine garrison left?
The decolonisation committee is an anachronism. The people on the Falkland Islands, some of whom descended from non-British families, do not want to be Argentine - they want to be British.
and guess what? - The United Nations supports them.
The UN Secretary General has stated that the Islanders have the right of Self Determination. Your Government tries to claim that they do not. However the UN thinks otherwise.
I've read all this claptrap and potted history many times before.Can any of you tell me why this matter is an agenda item at the UN.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quote
The UN Secretary General has stated that the Islanders have the right of Self Determination. Your Government tries to claim that they do not. However the UN thinks otherwise.
Here we have an acknowledgement that there's a right to self-determination.Why is this so if they are independant and can make allies with whom they like?
Even if the pope did knowingly hold the sign, and he didn't, so what? What relevance does the church have in this? ...or in anything apart from an inquiry into the molestation of choir boys?
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34: Do you actually know what “self-determination” means? I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you! As demonstrated a couple of years ago, the Falkland Islanders elected to continue being British, 98.6% of them in fact. That is what self-determination is about. The UN states quite clearly that the wishes of those who live in a place have a right to say what they wish to be. Our Government also stands by the Falklands right to decide.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the Argentine government that does not believe this to be so. KFC herself said that she doesn't see the Islanders as a people. Neither does Killitoff or Hannibal.
We are a British Overseas Territory, with a freely elected judiciary. We are not a colony, neither are we independent. We are not allies of the British. We ARE British!
Yuleno.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that an agenda item at the C24? When was the last UNGA resolution connected to the Falklands issued?
@34
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Here we have an acknowledgement that there's a right to self-determination.Why is this so if they are independant and can make allies with whom they like?”
Sorry I don't understand what you are trying to say; are you suggesting that the Falkland Islanders DON'T have the right to self-determination because they wish to remain British or they DO have the right of self-determination because they are already British or they DON'T have the right to self-determination because they don't want to be Argentine or they only have the right to self-determination if they want to be Argentine - or what
Answers on a postcard to......
Wow! The reaction to the story about Pope Francisco holding a sign makes me suspect islanders do not want anything to do with Argentina taking possession of Malvinas.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the other hand, reality is, Argentina is campaigning--and will continue for as long as need be--in all international forums as to make the sovereignty issue more and more relevant. Once the political cost becomes high enough, negotiations will start, and no doubt, the islanders' interests should and will be part of such negotiations.
OK Enrique....negotiations start and the question of the islanders interest comes up. They start with, 'our GBP is in the top ten in the world'.....surely that is the end of discussion, how can having anything to do with Argentina be in their interest even on that one simple point.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem is Enrique, you are interpreting the talks as a forgone sovereignty hand over so what you mean is that once Argentina have sovereignty of the Islands, they will discuss the islanders interests. Even you must be able to see that if the interests of the islanders have to be taken into account as part of any talks before the question of sovereignty comes up.
If it is in their interest not to be associated/aligned/subjugated/controlled with/by Argentina because it would have serious and damaging effects on their culture, politics, finances, education etc, would you accept that it would not be in their interests and therefore you would not get control?
Yuleno
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 05:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just don't understand...
The Falkland Islanders decide what happens to their islands and they do not want to be Argentine. They want to be British.
The United Nations Charter gives them the right to Self Determination and until that changes (which it never will) they will decide which country they belong to.
Enrique Massot
You seem to think that if your keep complaining (or wailing like a baby) that eventually you will eventually be given sovereignty talks. It's never going to happen. There is no price too high to secure the freedom of the Islanders.
Other nations will never put Argentina's interests ahead of their own and there is no pressure that they can make to force the United Kingdom to discuss the Falklands without the consent of the Falkland Islanders.
You and Argentina seem to forget that your country signed away the Islands in 1850. You legally gave away your rights to the Islands and no international court in the world would accept your claim to them.
You were offered talks about the Islands in the presence of the Falkland Islanders whilst your Foreign Minister was in London, but he refused to attend. Every time you demand dialogue, we will refer to those talks offered in 2013.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/01/falklands-dispute-argentina_n_2596157.html
#40
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So they are not British and not Argentinan but want what they want.That figures because they are living on Argentinan territory.
#36
'We are a British Overseas Territory, with a freely elected judiciary. We are not a colony, neither are we independent. We are not allies of the British. We ARE British!'
Same story here.I am a Martian but I've not been there yet.
#38
Sorry you don't understand and therefore can't comment .Can you explain how you think I can make it clearer when limited to the size of a postcard.I wish to use the limited words I have to respond to others as well as you.
Jumping from an aeroplane, with or without a parachute,
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0normal people-
if I jump I will die, so I need a parachute or I stay put until we land,
Brainwashed,
Bullshit our leader has told me I can fly, I will not die and I will beat you to the ground to receive my heroes medal,
the trouble with being brainwashed, you just don't understand or accept the truth, to the brain washed, you are right and the world is wrong.
you ill rule the world, and they will be your slaves, because our glorious elders told us so..
Brainwashing, coming to and argy soon,, book now ??
'Same story here.I am a Martian but I've not been there yet.'
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno, I don't think you understand the difference between holding British Citizenship and living in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI.
A person who was born in Scotland is Scottish, but holds British Citizenship, someone born in Wales, is Welsh but holds British citizenship, a person born in Gibraltar is Gibraltarian but holds Uk citizenship. So a person born in the Falklands is a Falklands Islander and hold British Citizenship.
I know it is difficult for you to understand the difference, but Britain in not single country, so they would not say they a British, they are Falkland Islanders, the same as I am English but with British Citizenship.
They live on their Islands, that they control. Unfortunately you do not and no amount of lies, whining and rhetoric will change that, you would like to think it will but deep down you know things will not change unless the islanders wish it to.
@39: “and no doubt, the islanders' interests should and will be part of such negotiations”, which is just what KFC and her cronies don't want to happen. Which is why Timerman walked away from the last proposed discussion. If they want to be a part of the discussions they will have to do it with the people of the FI as self-determination IS something the UN hold as a basic tenet.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@42: “Same story here.I am a Martian but I've not been there yet”, whereas I grew up in Britain, among other places and am now back in the Falklands. Tough shit for you, then. We're quite a cosmopolitan lot over here! I am, along with a lot of the people I know, both British AND an Islander!
I think Animal got it wrong the pope said it with a strong tone and a low voice NOT he said it with a low tone and strong voice.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentines need to ask themselves...
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Do I want to live in a country that will never fulfil the goals that others have set for it? That is constantly in a state of antagonism towards your neighbours with the possibility of war because of this?”
OR
“Do I want to live in a country that has reasonable expectations of achieving all aspirations and is at peace with all of your neighbours?”
Argentina tried to steal the Falkland Islands.
The first time they tried was in 1829, when they appointed a military & civil commander. Britain protested and Argentina did not respond.
When the thief was caught sending troops to the Islands to make good your crime, our Royal Navy (acting as Policeman) apprehended the Argentine thieves and threw them off the Islands.
The next time you tried to steal the Islands was in 1982 and we all know what happened. Except this time it was not only the Royal Navy, but also the rest of the British Armed Forces.
The question we need to ask is.....
WHY DOES ARGENTINA ALWAYS ACT LIKE A THIEF?
Viveza Criolla is your creed - lie cheat or steal to get what you want.
You even tried it on the people who lent you money to get out of your self-created financial mess, but the Hedge Funds were not willing to be victims to your criminal activity and the US Courts are backing them up.
Is it Argentina's national ambition to be a thief?
Do you all aspire to steal from your neighbours?
Chile certainly thinks so, because of the Beagle Channel conflict.
Now Uruguay thinks you are misbehaving as well.
I suppose in the end, a thief gets what is due to them - disrespect and dishonour.
So continue with your unobtainable national aspirations and your country will continue to implode until eventually Argentina ceases to exist as a country and becomes a small province ruled by criminal war lords.
#44
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand full well about British citizenship.It is the status of being a subject of the monarchy and applies to the English and all the people of territories which have or are being occupied by that monarchy.Most of them have now benefited from cruel liberation struggles against such occupation.Kenyans are no longer British subjects(citizens)but you are a British subject.What has being English got to do with it?When Saturn occupies mars I don't know if I'll still be a Martian!
#42
Tough shit for you are an immigrant .A British immigrant in occupied territory. Nothing cosmopolitan about that.
@ 32 gordo1
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I have posted before, I only tell the truth.
@ 42 Yuleno who writes:
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So they are not British and not Argentinan but want what they want.That figures because they are living on Argentinan territory.”
Living on Argentine territory?
What do you base this extraordinary claim on?
Please don't forget to supply sources.
@48..If you still do not understand the difference between English and British then I cannot make you understand, you will just have to live with your ignorance. After all ignorance is bliss so Argentina must be paradise.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have nothing Yuleno, nothing to give the islanders, nothing to argue with. Empty baseless stories and rhetoric, lies and half truths. Where haas it got you in the last 50 years. Other than having your arses given to you on a plate in '82, you have gone backwards at every turn. You are now further away than ever from gaining your beloved islands.
You base your claims on lies and expect everyone else to fall for them like they do in Argentina, well we have news for you, most people can see through your lies, you fool only those who don't want to see.
The more you alienate the Islander, the further away your goal moves and you don't even realise it.
Yuleno
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why do you think there is a need to persuade the British people to support Argentina's claim for sovreignity of Las Malvinas.The UN support its case and calls for dialogue.”
This is one of the biggest lies continually bandied about. The UN do NOT support Argentina's claim for sovereignty. The UN recognises there is a sovereignty claim.
Extremely big difference. Recognition is not support.
Even the UK recognises there is a sovereignty claim. This recognition does not automatically morph into support so why does it at the UN?
The last UN General Assembly resolution on the Falkland Islands was waaaaaaaay back in 1988.
Nearly THIRTY years ago! 43/25.
@48 “Tough shit for you are an immigrant .A British immigrant in occupied territory. Nothing cosmopolitan about that”.
Aug 22nd, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Notice how I can use the right number as well! No, I am a British subject on British land. Occupied by whom, exactly, you moron? I am also pretty cosmopolitan: educated in Singapore, Germany, France, England; served all over the world; visited many countries besides. I am not alone either, quite a few of us over here do that sort of thing all the time. And we're all British and proud to be so.
I don't understand your argument. You make no sense at all. I doubt you even understand what you're saying either.
These islands have never belonged to Argentina. Not even in '82. The people were British then, too. Nothing you say will change that.
All Argentina has to do is sit down with all parties concerned, listen to what is being said to them and then go away again. They have no claim to the Falkland Islands - not historically, culturally, geologically or because the bloody Pope says so either.
Argentina has far bigger problems to deal with.
@48
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0”A British immigrant in occupied territory2
If that was the case you would have gone to the ICJ.
You don''t because you have no case.
Yuleno
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you ever wondered why Argentina hasn't taken your claim to the International Court of Justice?
After all, if your claim is so strong, why hasn't Argentina sought to make this claim in the courts?
Britain offered twice to bring the matter to the courts, but Argentina refuses to attend.
Instead, all Argentina does is whine to other UN nations and bribe them to support their claim with favourable trade terms. Is Argentina's claim so poor that you have to resort to bribery?
Argentina has set itself the goal of obtaining the Islands, but it's a goal you will never achieve. An unfulfilled ambition that will remain forever unobtainable. An indication of Argentine's failure as a state.
Surely the best way to resolve your claim is to take it to the courts and get a decision, once and for all time, so that you either are given the Islands, or can get on with building your own country instead of trying to steal someone else's?
Guys this is true. When I married an Argentine girl I told her that my cock was 6 inches long but showed her with my fingers 10 cms and for many years she thought that was true. She was so gullible in the first few years of our marriage. So, so easy to indoctrinate the Argentines.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 56 golfcronie
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am intrigued.
So is your cock 6 in or 3.9 in (10 cm)? :o)
A chap went to the doctors and the receptionist asked what was the matter. He said “ I have a problem with my todger” and she said“ lets see”. He got it out and the receptionist exclaimed next time you come in say something different, so the next time he came in he said to a different receptionist that he had a problem with his foot. She said lets see and let out a gasp and said thats not a foot to which he replied it is but give and take an inch or two.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 58 golfcronie
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:o)
Every Rg I ever met would give their left hand to have British Citizenship. They'd love to be able to travel anywhere they want and have the protection and security of the Crown.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't let their envious statements fool you.
They all want what you have by just being born.
#55
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Surely the best way to resolve your claim is to take it to the courts and get a decision, once and for all time, so that you either are given the Islands, or can get on with building your own country instead of trying to steal someone else's?'
It's from remarks like this that got a poster posting non-funny sexist jokes. You need to realise and understand that the issue of Las Malvinas is already in the correct institution for resolving the current occupation of terroritory of Argentina.Perhaps you should lobby Pixar to help you make stupid remarks funnier
#60
Are you struggling to make a contribution here.When did you meet an Argentinian who was stupid enough to enter into a serious conversation with you.You are insignificant,it's only your self evaluation that confuses you.
61. In the many years I lived there I ran into lots of them. When I moved back to the USA I can't even count how many asked me to find them jobs here.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only people left in Argentina are the, corrupt, dumb and lazy.
Its an idiocracy.
year after year decade after decade generation after generation the bright, honest, driven Rgs leave as fast as they can so the only ones left are breading a dumber lazier generation.
You can see by the posts on this board alone...
We'll try once more to get other than emotional nonsense out of @ 42 Yuleno who writes:
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“So they are not British and not Argentinan but want what they want.That figures because they are living on Argentinan territory.”
Living on Argentine territory?
What do you base this extraordinary claim on?
Please don't forget to supply sources.
#62
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You've lived in Argentina
How long ago was that and for how long was it
#63
You have a problem I can't help you with.
I can only suggest if you don't know there is massive support for Argentina in its legal claim to recover its terroritory,you are very difficult at understanding thighs you don't like.
@ 64 Yuleno
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't have a problem, you have.
Your arguments are purely emotional and all you can say is that somebody supports the Argentine claim.
The Argentine claim, however, has been shown (using documents in the Argentina national archive) to be based on lies, so except for support from Latin American countries, who live by viveza criolla, support is without base.
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands is in accordance with international law valid in 1833 (and before and later).
Argentine possession of the provinces Chaco, Formosa and Misiones plus Patagonia is based on the exact same international law, as is Argentine possession of the rest of Argentina.
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was confirmed by the peace treaty “Convention between Great Britain and the Argentine Confederation, for the Settlement of existing Differences and the re-establishment of Friendship”, signed 1849 and ratified May 1850 in Buenos Aires.
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was later confirmed by president Bartolomé Mitre's message at the opening of the Argentine Congress on 1 May 1865, 'state of the nation'. [1]
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was again confirmed by vice-president Marcos Paz's opening speach to the Argentine Congress, 1 May 1866, 'state of the nation'.[2]
British sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was also confirmed by president Domingo Faustino Sarmiento's “Message to the Argentine Congress”, 1 May 1869, 'state of the nation'.[3]
[1-3] Heraclio Mabragaña, “Los Mensajes 1810-1910”, Buenos Aires 1910, vol. III, pag. 227, resp. pag. 238, resp. pag. 286.
Argentina's claim can be dated to the early Peronist period, when the economic problems began to create dissatisfaction, exactly as it has been used since then - for domestic consumption and nothing else.
I lived in Argentina 2 years too long.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What difference does it make when or how long I lived there?
Is anything I wrote innacurate?
Or is is too painful for you to admit?
#65
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will you explain that to the de-colonisation committee and also explain how islands in the South Atlantic can belong to an island which is not in the South Atlantic.That committee will then be able to explain to the gvt of Argentina that the committee has been in the wrong and that las Malvinas are not colonised by British subjects.
#66
Why should anything be inaccurate about your post?
But did you live in a hotel in a run down area of Buenos Aires for 2years.
@67
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's quite simple. The islands belong to the people who live there. It is no more odd for people of (predominantly) British extraction to be living in the South Atlantic than it is for people of (predominantly) Italo-Iberian origin to be living all over South America. At least the former never se out to exterminate all the original inhabitants and steal everything that could be stolen.
As for the Recolonization Committee, it is quite obviously in violation not just of its mandate but of recent resolutions of the UN General Assembly. Take for example A/RES/63/108 20A-B of December 2008:
“
The General Assembly
....
2. Also reaffirms that, in the process of decolonization, there is no
alternative to the principle of self-determination, which is also a fundamental human right, as recognized under the relevant human rights conventions; ”
It really is about time Argentina and its ethnic cronies started respecting UN resolutions, flagrant violations of UNGA 2065, UNSC 502 and 108/20 are surely more than enough.
67. Not quite, I've shared a lot about where I lived and how long on this board. I am sure under different personas we've had the same conversation.
Aug 23rd, 2015 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What difference does it make?
BTW was Think finally put out to pasture? Lemme know where to send flowers.
Yuleno
Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0It really is time that you stop using the word 'Legal'.
In post 64 you said:
“I can only suggest if you don't know there is massive support for Argentina in its legal claim to recover its terroritory,you are very difficult at understanding thighs you don't like.”
YOU HAVE NOT MADE A LEGAL CLAIM!
Please tell me which International Court you have filed a legal claim to recover the Islands?
Please remember - the UN is not an International Court.
Furthermore - please explain when the Falkland Islands ever belonged to Argentina - seeing as Argentina was not formed as a nation until well after 1833.
Great Britain has owned the Islands since 1765, having first landed in the Islands in 1690. The Spanish (through which you like to derive a claim) didn't arrive until 1767. So the British claim supersedes the Spanish one and thereby any other claim.
The Spanish recognised the British claim to the Islands in 1863 - not Argentina. You didn't even make good any claim in 1982, because the UN ordered you to leave the territory and you refused to go.
At no time has Argentina ever authenticated a legitimate claim to call the Islands their 'territory'.
Even your own Government officials did not include the Islands in their territory.
In 1825, a book was written by the then United Provinces Ambassador to Great Britain, Ignacio Nunez. In this book, he describes the territorial boundaries of the land claimed by the United Provinces since they declared independence from Spain.
THERE IS NOT ONE MENTION OF THE FALKLAND ISLANDS OR 'MALVINAS'.
Nunez later became a minister in the United Provinces Government.
You have been lied to by successive Argentine Governments who claimed the Islands, but knew all along that they NEVER belonged to Argentina.
They claimed them because they were grabbing territory - territory that they never owned - so that they could lay claim to the South Atlantic.
https://archive.org/stream/noticiashistric02ngoog#page/n10/mode/2up
@67 Yuleno
Aug 24th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“also explain how islands in the South Atlantic can belong to an island which is not in the South Atlantic.”
Yes-because the French own territories in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific.
France is in neither ocean.
French Guana is French.
French Guana is no where near Europe.
Pierre st Miquelon is a few miles off Canada.
It is no where near Europe-it is French.
Britain administers Bermuda, just off the USA, no where near Europe.
Britain administers Pitcairn Island-no where near Europe.
In the South Atlantic, Britain administers Ascension Island, St Helena. Tristan da Cunha, Gough Island, South Georgia, all, no where near Europe.
Nigelpwsmith has provided you with the United Provinces ambassador who wrote a book detailing the boundaries of what then I presume became Argentina. With no mention of the Falkland Islands within its boundaries.
From 1816-1880s United Provinces/Argentine territory was nowhere near the Falklands, and when it did approach geographically close, (1880s)there was only one claim to them from Argentina.in 1888 and then none till the 1940s.
Why Yuleno are do the 1880s Argentine maps show the Falklands to be a different colour from Argentina?
The Falkland Islands were first settled by Great Britain in 1765-not 1833.
The inheritors to the Falkland Islanders are not the UK but the Falkland Islanders, in the same way that Spanish territory was taken over by Argentines.
#69
Aug 24th, 2015 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have revealed information about yourself previously and I take interest in what people post.For example,I have read and noted what is posted in #70and #71 and noted that las Malvinas should be British because France has terroritory in the South Atlantic even though I might not respond to these posts.But you have not shared this information with me, you post what you want.
Think is his own responsibility and I can't speak for him,but your concern for him exclusively is a little puzzling.
The other two posts are less interesting as they merely repeat history(including colonial history) and do not address why the dispute is at the UN or why the UK does not comply with an organisation set up to avoid conflict,and that the UK was at the birth of,and also after being major players in two world wars
Funny I am pretty sure the Sistahs kept in touch.
Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyhoo, What difference does it make where I lived? Are you even familiar with Buenos Aires? If so where do you live? You go first and be specific and I'll do the same. I can even give you the google map coordinates of my Quinta if you want.
Yuleno
Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you explain to us why Ignacio Nunez, a minister and ambassador of the United Provinces did not mention the Falkland Islands or 'Malvinas' in his book, written in 1825?
Nunez wrote this book in conjunction with the signing of the Navigation Treaty, signed with Great Britain in 1825.
Many of your countrymen have suggested that the Navigation Treaty included mention of the Falkland Islands, but there is no mention of them in either the treaty or Nunez's book.
The truth is that you have been lied to by successive Argentine Governments who laid claim the Islands, but knew all along that they NEVER belonged to Argentina.
They claimed them because they were grabbing territory - just as they grabbed Patagonia from the Amerindians - territory that they never owned - just so they could expand the boundaries of the United Provinces / Argentina and lay claim to the South Atlantic.
Can you explain how and when Argentina claimed South Georgia and the other Islands in the South Atlantic. When did you first colonise these islands. Did you colonise them before Great Britain and can you prove this.
Would you admit that Argentina has NEVER colonised all these Islands before Britain did and Argentina is merely trying to grab territory that never belonged to you?
#73
Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I thought something is bothering you and you are not up for the issue that this thread refers to.
I'm sure you are not interested in where I live.I might ask you to find me a job.
In fact if you can find me a well paid job,you could have another friend to ask questions of.
#74
What do you think we should do with this new information that Nunez's book provides.Prepare now for the bicentenary celebratation of it publication
The pope has always been a malvinista, and this was no accident, he is an Argentine in a dress, he is not the successor to St Peter, he is not universal, he waves the Argentine flag, he doesn't ask for talks with the islanders. The talks he asks for are expected to end in the colonization of the Falklands by Argentina.
Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In 1863 the Spanish fleet under Admiral Pinzon saluted the British flag putting an end to the sovereignty dispute. Argentina never existed in this dispute.
According to Argentine cartography after and according to the 1850 Arana Southern treaty for the Argentines the Falklands didn't belong to Argentina (take a look at any map of the time), except for one or two mentions by one or two hot heads. In 1941 in order to steal UK property in the hands of the British and that UK might have gone the way of France because of a possible German Invasion, the fascists in Argentine invented an excuse for a war which would be the perfect excuse to steal the wealth of the UK, the perfect excuse: the Falklands. In 1941 the Argentine Fascists decided to claim the Falklands, get the ARA to prepare an invasion plan and they invented the catchy song.. and they waited .. and they waited .. and London never fell .. so they left the fascist education in place with all the Hitler Youth type brainwashing.. and that invention and lies remain to date. The big one is that it was a 1941 issue not an 1833 issue as the Malvinistas say so they left the causes of the invasion of 1982 laid down and all the brainwashing today also has left a war on automatic pilot which will fall on another generation.
75. Are you incaable of follwoing a thread? You asked me where I lived in Argentina and I asked you to post your address first.
Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gads you're as stupid as Voice
Always moving the goal posts.
In the USA there are help wanted signs all over, if you are Argentine I imagine you'd be a good bartender, waiter or pool cleaner.
Which is it?
#77
Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not interested in where you live.
But did you live in a hotel in a run down area of Buenos Aires for 2years.
That was what I said.Did you live in hotels for 2years.
This is why I was curious
''61. In the many years I lived there I ran into lots of them. When I moved back to the USA I can't even count how many asked me to find them jobs here.''
You posted that.And the thread is about dialogue between Argentina and the UK as the UN has passed on resolution for.
#76
I draw your attention to this matter also.It is interesting that you have took time to post a lengthy post on some history of why there is a dispute but no amount of history will alter the political nature of the dispute.If all this history is so relevant why don't you address it to the UN.They might listen to you or maybe not.
I lived in the Four Seasons Hotel on the Executive Level for a little over a month until I found an apt in the same neighborhood.
Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So I am not sure if you consider the Four Seasons run down or not.
I liked it.
Yuleno
Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Nunez book shows that the Argentine Government has lied to you.
Argentines have been repeatedly told that you claimed the Islands when you declared independence. Some even suggested that you claimed them during the rebellion, to date the claim back to 1810 - before the Spanish left the Islands - to preserve the continuity of exchange of Spanish possessions.
Only the truth written by Nunez shows that;
You did not claim the Islands in 1810 (whilst the Spanish were still there;
You did not claim the Islands in 1816 when you declared independence;
You did not claim the Islands in 1820 when Jewett visited the Islands;
You did not claim the Islands in 1825 when Nunez wrote his book;
You did not even claim the Islands in 1826 when Vernet's second expedition visited the Islands.
It took until 1829 for the United Provinces to make their first attempt at claiming the Islands and it was a half-hearted attempt by appointing Vernet the Military & Civil Commander (not the Governor) of the Islands.
The moment you did this, the British Consul, our ambassador in Buenos Aires immediately protested at the UP's impertinence at appointing someone to rule over British territory.
Not surprisingly, the United Provinces did not dare go to war with Great Britain - the greatest empire the world had ever seen. So the UP said nothing when Britain protested.
The next time that the United Provinces tried to claim the Islands was in October 1832, when they sent a garrison of troops to occupy the Islands.
Only this garrison murdered their commanding officer and raped his wife in front of their children.
Less than 3 months later the Royal Navy arrived and told the UP garrison to leave. They did so without even firing a shot.
The Vernet settlers remained behind on the Islands. Only 4 (2 gauchos and their wives) left. One Uruguayan & one Brazilian. The rest stayed on the Islands.
Yuleno - you've been lied to by your Government.
The Falkland Islands never belonged to Argentina.
Yuleno writes:
Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0“History is interesting but what matters here is current matters.”
Ah, but we agree. “Current matters” is that the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory. When it comes to property possession is 99%. When it comes to international law regarding territories, it is 100.000%.
The Falkland Islands were British before Argentina became a sovereign state.
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Yuleno further writes:
“Will you explain that to the de-colonisation committee”
You seem to be under some misaprehension that C24 is some kind supernatural being, which can decide anything.
Sorry, but it isn't.
The official title of the decolonisation committee is:
“The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence of Colonial COUNTRIES and PEOPLES.”
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/specialcommittee.shtml
If the Falkland Islands situation belongs under this committee, then the committee acknowledges them as a country, a people, or both.
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Yuleno: “and also explain how islands in the South Atlantic can belong to an island which is not in the South Atlantic.”
Why should islands in the South Atlantic not belong to a state which is not in the South Atlantic?
Is there some god-given rule that what you own must be within a certain sea or distance? which?
The simple explanation is that the Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/woman-achieves-lifelong-goal-becomes-u-s-citizen-at-age-100/
Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A 100-year-old woman from Buenos Aires, Argentina who said she didn't want to die without becoming an American citizen has achieved her goal.
That could be you Yul.
Take a plane to Northern Mexico and call me when you get to Texas if you can't find a job as a gardener.
@67
Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Will you explain that to the de-colonisation committee and also explain how islands in the South Atlantic can belong to an island which is not in the South Atlantic”
What a ridiculous comment....completely stupid.
Pretty much every single country and territoty in the Americas is run by someone with European ancestory. Europeans came to the Americas and colonised.
That is how nearly ALL countries in the Americas “belonged” to countries not in the Americas.
One by One they claimed independance.
USA was first, followed by most of latin America and then Canada.
However, there are some terriries that dont want independance.
How come Argentina gets the right to claim independance and Bermuda or the Falklands dont have the right not to.
Argentina was/is an implanted Spanish population...they chose independance. Now you wish to deny the right to the falkland Islanders to chose their status.
That makes you a fascist.
Would I be working with yankeeboy.I don't know anything about gardening.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems you don't know much about anything.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you too embarrassed to respond to the multiple posts refuting your ridiculous claims?
Are you familiar with the Four Seasons? They usually don't let Rgs in unless they're staying there though. So you probably have never been inside.
What multiple posts.Yours or the ones relating to the thread.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I am familiar with four seasons hotel.I wash dishes there but gardening with you in Yankees land would get more more money and I would be able to send money to my wife and 9 children.I am looking forward to a bright future without my loved ones to come home to.
16/1
Aug 25th, 2015 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:)
Argentina's new tag line should be:
Poorer and dumber with every generation.
That's the real you then.More information on your profile.I don't live in BA but that's the only place in Argentina you've been to.Dont get so excited about being richer and cleverer.Its only you're own opinion.Priceless
Aug 25th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've been all over Argentina I traveled extensively when I lived there. There are some very naturally beautiful spots in the country.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are also some blindingly poor places. Worse than anything I've ever seen and I've been to LaPaz Bolivia!
Ha ha whoo hoo
Aug 25th, 2015 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There a myth, much like the Malvinas Myth that Rgs are told they are the Europeans of South American and no where is better than Argentina.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You all lap it up and it gives you a disgusting superiority complex that nobody else in the world understands.
But deep down every Rg knows both are lies.
That's why they also have very fragile egos
and wail, cry and lash out when they see glimpses of the truth
Its a sickness.
It is why you'll continue to devolve.
I said before soon enough the avg Rg will not have the ability to communicate with the civilized world. I thought it would take about a decade.
I think its on track.
It will be akin to using a rotary phone when the rest of the world's on the internet.
You may not want to believe me but I will remind you Color TV came to Argentina in 1978 40 years after the rest of the world.
It will be the same but worse in a decade.
Calm down
Aug 25th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know your hit rate with predictions
How sad life can be for some people
Las Malvinas son Argentinas
My hit rate is better than anyone on here.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland are British and always will be.
France is Norwegian.
Aug 25th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Norway is Austrian.
Austria is Turkish.
Turkey is French.
Socks are wet.
Yuleno is inebriated.
92# “Las Malvinas son Argentinas”
Aug 26th, 2015 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you morons have managed to lose your precious malvinas, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.
92
Aug 26th, 2015 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0That's a brilliant observation isn't it.How did you achieve the integrity of your country?
So Yul, you don't live in BA. My guess is you probably don't even live in Argentina.
Aug 26th, 2015 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it matters.
It just reminds me of the idiotic Voice persona saying he's wants Argentina to have the Falklands because he pays taxes to support them.
Weak.
Most people who live in Dunoon dont earn enough to pay tax they are mostly on benefits, so Voicy shouldnt complain, hes on our backs anyway.
Aug 26th, 2015 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember, the Pope doesn't only have a voice as a religious leader, but as a Head of State, therefore his involvement (willing or otherwise!) in any perceived cause can have political ramifications.
Aug 27th, 2015 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's unfortunate that whever the Pope is cited on Mercopress a vast pit of stupidy opens up into which atheists gleefully hurl themselves. Unfortunately we still have to endure the claptrap they spout on the way down.
And I'm not even Catholic.
Irrespective of any papal involvement the UK will be returning the Malvinas within 25 years.
Aug 27th, 2015 - 01:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0100 Hepatia
Aug 27th, 2015 - 03:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You will continue to suffer from Delusional disorder as long as you fail to take your meds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
How long have you had these delusions that you have the power of prophesy? You must have a huge need to compensate, for your feelings of inadequacy, to have such unrealistic fantasies.
96#
Aug 27th, 2015 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0A short history of Argentine integrity.
In 1982 Argentina conducted a surprise, brutal invasion of the Falkland Islands. The Argentine junta then refused to comply with the UN Security Council resolution that required it to withdraw and having no plan B, they obstinately dug in and condemned over a thousand innocent people to death in the subsequent war.
Argentina has not apologised for its illegal invasion, nor has it made any attempt to pay compensation to the Islanders or make any form of restitution.
Instead in recent times it has stepped up its (ineffective) trade and communications embargos against the Islands and waged a diplomatic campaign based on lies and the assertion that the Islanders are ‘non people’ who have no rights of possessing over their own country. This is despite the fact that some Islanders can trace there ancestors back almost 200 years on the Islands. Perversely they also accuse Britain of ignoring UN resolutions when Argentina is the only party that has refused to obey a UN resolution over the Falkland’s.
Argentina claims in public that all it wants is ‘dialogue’ with the UK over the Falkland’s, yet they refuse to allow representatives of the Falkland Islands government to be part of the so called ‘dialogue’. They have already enshrined possession of the Falklands within their constitution. So they don’t want genuine dialogue about ownership, which in their deluded minds is settled, they want discussion regarding how and when they will be allowed to take possession of the islands. Once again they are acting dishonestly and in bad faith.
When it comes to the Falklands, Argentina is a thief and a liar, its attempts to paint the Islanders as ‘non- people’ is morally reprehensible, Argentina has no integrity.
And yet posters like you whine about ‘integrity’ Don’t cry Argentina, you brought all of this on yourself.
@102
Aug 27th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well said.
#103
Aug 27th, 2015 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just what you where thinking?
#102
Seems like integrity is a word that's upset you.
How does someone who is not a British subject get to sit in a dialogue over land that is Argentinian,unless they are British subjects and therefore are clearly occupiers of the territory.
Are Tasmanians Australian or Tasmanian citizens with Tasmanian passports but occupying Australian territory
@104: “Are Tasmanians Australian or Tasmanian citizens with Tasmanian passports but occupying Australian territory”, are you deliberately stupid or is it a fault of birth?
Aug 27th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which land is Argentinian?
80 nigelpwsmith (#)
Aug 28th, 2015 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You did not claim the Islands in 1810 (whilst the Spanish were still there;
You did not claim the Islands in 1816 when you declared independence;
You did not claim the Islands in 1820 when Jewett visited the Islands;
You did not claim the Islands in 1825 when Nunez wrote his book;
You did not even claim the Islands in 1826 when Vernet's second expedition visited the Islands. etc”
Well said, a few more 'inconvienent facts' nailed into the coffin of the great malvinas myth.
#105
Aug 28th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am clearly not as stupid as you.
Which land is Argentinian?
Do you not know that this land was once Spain or something,but following a lengthy struggle for independance it became,eventually Argentina and other independant countries.
Hope you like history because it is done but we never know the truth in every detail from it.Today there is a call for the ending of colonialization and empireism.There is a call for a dialogue between the two countries to resolve a colonial question but it is not accepted by the colonizer who wants to avoid it by any means including using its own subjects as diversion.
Sorry if you don't understand but the dealer in FACTS!,@106 will be able to refute or accept these facts as is his want.
107. That's a weak argument. Then splain me Yul, under the same logic why didn't the USA get Canada and the British Caribbean islands when we won the Revolutionary war.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't much about history or the way the world works,
BTW you never answered me, where do you live?
#108
Aug 29th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to tell me about the way history works tell me about the southeastern corner of the USA.Tell me about how it came to be incorporated into the union.When the USA was born and how it grew.Where the rights of cultures is guaranteed and how they are upheld today.
You can divert to the areas of history you wish to if you would prefer,but can you bear in mind how the history impacts on today's culture in that area.As opposed to the southeastern area of Canada.
You never told me where you live and i never asked you to.I think that is irrelevant.I asked about the time you spent in Argentina and where it was(about 2years in BA!) to get some idea of where you get your bitterness towards Argentina.You then made reference to the Iguazu falls area,a popular destination for tourist.You also mentioned la Paz in Bolivia for which purpose I can't imagine.
I never asked where you lived!
@107: “Do you not know that this land was once Spain or something”... I understand that the bit of the S. American mainland became Argentina, but I was under the apprehension that you were referring to the Falkland Islands. The Falkland Islands were never Spanish, and I study history, and also read the propaganda coming out of Argentina. I know the difference between the two, do you?
Aug 30th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again, the Falklands are NOT a colony. And again, Timerman refused to sit down to talks in 2013, because he couldn't talk about colonising the Islands with the Islanders there. It is Argentina isn't open to discussion.
#110
Aug 30th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes I know the difference on your view.
History it what the British say.
Propaganda is what the Argentinians say.
Dialogue is the answer.
Yuleno
Aug 30th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YOU WERE OFFERED DIALOGUE AND REFUSED IT.
All Argentina wants is talks about how sovereignty is to be handed over.
It ignores the fact that Argentina does not deserve sovereignty.
The Islands have never (and will never) belong to Argentina.
You did not find them first.
You did not claim them first.
You did not land on them first.
You did not legally colonise them.
You have never had a valid claim that you've taken before the courts...
Because the court would throw out your claim as ridiculous.
It's about time that Argentina took the matter to court or shut up.
The only reason you cannot take the matter to court is because you know that it would end your claim forever. So long as you never test the claim in court, you can continue to whine LIKE A STUPID CHILD that its unfair.
It's about time that Argentina grew up and accepted that you cannot steal someone else's land.
This land belongs to the Islanders and they decide what nationality they want.
There's a huge number of Chilenos on the Islands.....
And they want the Falkland Islands to be British too.
Stop behaving like a child. These Islands were never yours - NEVER.
@111: Perhaps you might outline what you consider what subjects need to be talked about, because, apart from “stop the harassment”, I can think of very little.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst dialogue would be interesting, what has Timerman to be afraid of? He refused in 2013; KFC refuses to recognise the Islanders (a failing in the eyes of the UN). No one but Argentina are refusing to talk.
#112
Aug 30th, 2015 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One positive is you are not a judge.
#113
I think you'll find that many countries are not looking for dialogue.
What both these posts show is a closed mind.That is not unusual for the European mind
@114 Yuleno
Aug 30th, 2015 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What both these posts show is a closed mind.That is not unusual for the European mind”
But not as closed as the Argentine mind of Timerman who refused dialogue in 2013, after asking for it.
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