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Carlitos Tevez shocked with poverty, causes an uproar in Argentina

Monday, August 24th 2015 - 09:13 UTC
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The Argentine football star Carlos Tevez, who played in England, Italy and is now back in Argentina caused a major uproar when during a television interview he said that in the northern province of Formosa he had come across poor people who were literally 'dead hungry'. Read full article

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  • Colla Cantri Club

    Brother Carlitos you speak the truth.

    The corruption of the elite is starving the many.

    Sister K is useful in this fight, but cannot be trusted too far.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    The Argnetina government lies.

    Someone tells the truth.

    And the facist streak of Peronism comes out and shows its true colours. All those Peronists like Think, Marcos, Paul, Enrique, Nostils et al must be so proud.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron III

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    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Señor bed pan cleaner Paulcedron. You're too ignorant to be anything, much less a Peronist. You're nothing more than a mindless idiot...

    Don't feel so down, you fit right in with the majority of your countrymen: millions of mindless idiots...

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Tevez has a point, move away from Buenos Aires and it is a different country. It is probably why most Argentineans in the provinces hate the Porteños. Most of them have never ventured outside of the capital and the ones that do they act arrogant and superior.

    It is good to see the dilemma of the K's now. They use football to exploit the poor and now one of their footballers has criticised them. Oh, what could they do but attack him.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Give it a few days and the K's will pay Maradonna to say there is no poverty in Argentina.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron III

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    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    Maybe he will be suicided due to depression brought on by living in the evil Europe...

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • commonsense

    Do the mad rgee government really, honestly, think Tevez is politically motivated and attacking TMBOA. Is it not actually more likely that having lived in a few DEVELOPED country's, he can now see through the bullshit this dishonest corrupt government feeds to the average rgenweener?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “slum boy turned European” Is an interesting insult. What was normal to him as a 'slum boy' is now unacceptable having experience a developed country. How dare he see the truth and speak about it.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Paul

    You are more peronistic than you imagine. The problem is you are so brainwashed and deluded by your education that you can't see it.

    Standing outside looking in, others can see that you exhibit all the greatest traits of Peronism. Xenophobia, whataboutism, blind nationalism, an inability to question national myth making, victimhood ..... you are peronism's greatest strength.....

    A self hating Peronist who actually perpetuates Peronism through his actions and words even while believing you stand against it.

    The problem is Paul, that it is you that has no clue. And it is quite comical to watch because you just can't change what you have become.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I don't know why this would be shocking to anyone. I have never seen poverty like I was in Iguazu. Filthy dirty hungy shoeless children begging in dirt streets. I never went to Tucuman, or the other Feudal Provinces but I can't imagine they're any better. Its really not so great even in BA Province, most tourists don't go to the outer burbs where the streets aren't paved and most people don't have running water or sewers.
    I love the statement that its the most equal province around....yeah cause everyone is poor. Only the Pols are very very very rich.

    In the end they deserve what they get.
    They've continually voted for corrupted statist gov'ts and as long as they keep doing that they'll get poorer and dumber.
    C'est la vie.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron III

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    Aug 24th, 2015 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Skip I think you're confusing being a Peronist and being an Argentine.
    They're really one in the same.

    That's why Paul is having a hard time explaining himself and doesn't realize he is what he is.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Paul

    You just proved my point.

    Thank you.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #13 Bed pan cleaner

    “...you are so brainwashed and deluded by your [lack of] education...” You really do sound like Gollum talking to himself in the mirror.

    Although over the past three decades, there has been a tremendous reduction of poverty and significant improvement of social services including public health care, we in Chile still have an unacceptable level of poverty in Chile. In Argentina, the percentage of people living in severe poverty has risen and public social care has dramatically increased. There have been documented cases in the north of starvation. Yet the government makes up ridiculous statistics showing low levels of poverty, mythical inflation and an national economic policy that's identical to a Ponzi scheme...

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Distraction:

    Pay your debts, deadbeats.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jakesnake

    Jujuy, around Lib. General San Martin isn't much better. Plenty of poverty in that part of the country as well.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulcedron III

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    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    If I were Macri I'd pull out of the race now.
    What a f'ed up mess its going to be next year.
    Soy is down 17% yoy and all the variable costs are up
    So I don't see much planting happening
    That's all their U$ they could hope to have coming in

    Gads this is getting good...
    :)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #20 Yankeeboy

    Suggest you get a big bucket of popcorn.

    Commodities (oil down to $35 today), wheat, soy, corn, copper... All falling!

    Brazil, Venezuela and Argentina tethered to China....

    At least Ecuador has banana revenue...

    Ah yes, Bed Pan Cleaner: your la Cámpora choripan ration may have to be cut down as your goddess Cristina maybe going to prison.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    21. I hope your tunnels are well guarded.

    I have no idea why Macri is running. It is very plain to any thinking person that this train is going off the cliff.
    He should pull out and leave the 1 armed bandit to take the blame.
    They'll probably go through 5 Prez/Week again soon.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    - Tevez is absolutely RIGHT. I salute him for speaking his mind and heart out.

    - Formosa, Chaco, and many other provinces from the NE and NO are stuck in feudal times, with embarrassing levels of poverty and high corruption, always ruled by the sick peronist party (with CFK´s support, of course).

    - You don´t need to go that deep in Argentina to find such miserable living conditions, just try around the city of buenos aires (the metropolitan area called `conurbano´), which are large areas devastated by poverty and drugs. They are all peronist strongholds, of course.

    - As for the `villas´ in the city of Buenos aires, well, guess who supports them, promotes them, and blocks any attempt to remove them. You´re right: the peronist party.

    - But let´s take a look at the south: people living in the southern part of argentina have NO gas, NO water, and some of them live under shitty shacks as well (not the governments friends of course, they get all the benefits)

    - Argentina is DOOMED. As another poster said here, it has de-evolved the last 75 years. Our only hope is to be anexed by the FI or norway. Otherwise it´s gonna be a non-stop trip to become the next venezuela.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    PESA.BA off @ 9% - today. Fun times.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Worse is the fact that the poverty stricken provinces will suffer the most when this all crashes down. The accounts of life in Salta after the last crash were harrowing.

    Kicillof won't publish poverty statistics because he thinks it will stigmatise the poor; it won't, it will stigmatise him.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Hang Tevez the traitor, how dare he tell the truth, it is unheard of in Argentina. Bet he doesn't get picked for the Argie national team now. Slum boy to European, surely that is what all Argies should be aiming at.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    YPF is now U$2B under what CFK paid for it.

    Anyone know what the break even is for SOY?
    :)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Suddenly, Argentine neoliberals discover poverty in Formosa, and MP readers help detailing poverty that exists in other areas of the country as well.
    This is of course a step in the right direction, as in the past they could not care less of what happened in Formosa, Chaco or Catamarca for that matter.
    Perhaps if Macri wins the presidential election he will be face-on addressing the problem?
    Naaaah! Just kidding!
    Anyway. Tucumán provincial election Aug. 23 preliminary results give 54 per cent of votes to the Victory Front candidate.
    A front uniting ALL the opposition parties has gotten 40 per cent.
    Tucumán has significant poverty levels.
    It seems electors there do not believe Macri will solve their problems.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I wonder if they've given up trying to support the Black market Peso?
    Its quickly heading to 16/1

    I think BCRA is out of U$

    I hear they are past due in paying U$9B for imports.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #28 EM

    With sincere respect. There is NO politician that can solve the current economic problem in Argentina because the remedy is as bad (or far worse) than what needs to take place in Greece.

    Chile, whether you think he was the devil or a saint, placed severe mandated economic reforms upon bankrupted Chile in 1974 that were very difficult in the beginning. It took nearly 20 years to see solid results and subsequently we now have the highest per capita income in Latin America. (Yes, we still have also some real problems in distribution, but it's getting better.)

    Argentina still has the natural resources as well as a solid base of educated and skilled populace to regain its former position as an economic power, but only when they line up all the corrupt Peronists against a brick wall and...

    ---------------------------------------

    ...as far as the tunnels Yankeeboy, we have our Prussian army mountain regiments at each pass 24/7.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @29 Kicillof said something last week about the Blue being irrelevant, so I am guessing yes.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SebaSvtz

    @ 30

    “but only when they line up all the corrupt Peronists against a brick wall and...”

    I`m glad to see somebody else shares my idea :)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @22 Macri had no choice but to run, he failed to expand his party beyond Buenos Aires so his only hope is to go for Prez.
    His party is doomed either way.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Labor = Liberal
    Democrat = Liberal
    Socialist = Liberal
    Communist = Liberal
    Left = Liberal

    Tory = Conservative
    Republican = Conservative
    Tea Party = Conservative
    right = conservative

    OK, rotting roadkillian dumbasses:

    Perronism = Liberal

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Looks like they gave up supporting the black market peso.
    Or they're out of U$.
    Or both.

    Macri should bow out and go to Miami for a few years.
    That's what I would do
    :)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @3. For as long as you accept and/or seek to justify the activities of your cunt_ry, who cares about the label? Anarchist, commie, dictator wannabe, fascist, genocide, larcenist, marxist, nazi, neo-nazi, peronist, zookeeper. Pick one that suits you.
    @13. Why do you always refer to the “islets” or inhabitants of “islets”? Perhaps you could expand your “erudition” by learning the definition of an “islet”. Let's give you a clue. An “islet” is defined as a very small island. And a very small island can support 3,000 people? But then we know you use the term trying to overcome your own inferiority.
    @19. Perhaps you should learn to obey rules. For example, “Comments must be in English.” It's up there at the top. Typical argie. “Rules don't apply to me”.
    @28. Wouldn't occur to you to go “home” and help, would it? You stay safe in Canada.
    @33. I agree. It's not as though the entire argie electorate has enough cells to make a brain. At least the result will punish those responsible. With any luck we'll be able to watch ignorant argies experiencing starvation and cannibalism.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @35 Reported yesterday. “Kicillof: Blue dollar is insignificant” He then rambled on about decisions that may or may not have been right. It is like he is defeated already and making excuses.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Colla Cantri Club

    @18
    Yes we are poor. Next time you are in Jujuy ask to visit Alto Comedero.
    We have built a place of dignity through comunal labor. You can see what we can do when free of the corrupt business mafias that steal from the people.

    The people of this land look to Inti.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    Since the moment Peronism/Fascism was born, in year 1946, it ruled Argentina 52% of the time.

    Since year 1983 Peronism/Fascism ruled the country 75% of the time.

    Buenos Aires province was ruled by Peronism/Fascism during the last 28 years. This is 87.5% of the time from year 1983 onwards.

    Formosa Province, a extremenly poor province with social stats of an african country, has always been ruled by Peronism/Fascism. This is 100% of the time under the Peronism/Fascism law.

    I don't understan how is that Peronism/Fascism considers that they help poor people and that they have nothing to do with the growth of poverty in Argentina.

    The more time Peronisn/Fascism rule the country poorest the people are.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    30 Chicureo
    ”Argentina (may) regain its former position as an economic power, but only when they line up all the corrupt Peronists against a brick wall and...“
    It's regrettable that you would suggest a return to ”paredón” (brick wall) as a means to solve political differences or punish corruption.
    One may agree or disagree with the current government--lively debate happens, in fact--but political differences are solved in the ballot box.
    Crimes such as corruption are dealt with by the courts--with the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty.
    I like it much better than the old ways.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “Crimes such as corruption are dealt with by the courts” Only if you live in a country where you can trust an independent judiciary. Argentine does not have this.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    How many polling stations were burned down last night in Tucuman? How many ballot boxes are missing?
    What a horrible place the Ks have turned that country into...
    Well they're just the last in a long line of Corrupted Peronistas.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Z-ville

    Hmmm, a year or so ago I told Toby the Troll that soon he would be trapping sewer rats for BBQ meat. Has that day arrived already, perhaps...?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    -588 points...

    Capitalism, hahahahahaha...

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    44. A lot of fortunes were made today. That's the beauty of Capitalism!

    Alas In Argentina they are street fighting over the bag of Onions.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Orbit

    TTT you are hilarious... Now you are dis'ing capitalism. The most successful economic model ever not invented.... Not invented because it is human nature at work. Lol. My university days were filled by people like you; pissing into the wind, anti-everything for the attention it got them. Then they grew up and had to pay their bills to someone who could be arsed to get up in the morning and take a risk.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Yours certainly was one of the unlucky ones.

    hahahahaha...

    Capitalism in yet another crisis. So how much of your hard earned money will you be donating away to the banks this time? I'm sure the banks of the world will soon remind you that they need YOUR help, to “socialize” their losses for the better of the whole. In four/five years, they will re-privatize the profits.

    Probably 3 trillion this time around should suffice... hahahahaha.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Cebollitas (They were tiny.)

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    @46

    Then you have a terrible opinion of human nature.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    There's been a popular referendum on socialism in China, Russia, Chavezwhalia and in Cuba.

    Guess which two chose to embrace it.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Socialism is not for EUians, Asianisans, or NorthAmoans.

    Socialism if put on a vote will never win outside Latin America. Only Latin Americans understand the farse of modern capitalism and have rejected it whole sale.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Sooooooooooooooooo, which two formerly COMMUNIST countries are now fully embracing CAPITALISM? Wait for it - can you hear it?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Its going so well in Venezuela they declared martial law to protect food supplies.

    How stupid are you?

    Its coming to Argentina.
    and I can't wait!!

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Onions? Wait 'til it's bread. Everyone seen the wheat forecasts?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Argentina tried capitalism and it was a spectacular failure. Capitalism only works when a society is treated fairly. Since the rest of the world has no intention of that, nor has ever had such intention for us, to adopt capitalism would be suicide.

    Argentina has adopted the best approach given the circumstances, extrication from the rest of the world, an isolation.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    You can tell this was simply a spontaneous response to what Tevez considered an unacceptable situation. No political agenda, a well-liked sports star - a PR nightmare for the authorities. No wonder the ultra K's are so pissed off.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Why's everybody always picking on me? (cb)

    Whine. Whine. Whine. This is the truest essence of being a rotting roadkillian.

    lol.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    @57

    What do you want us to do, try to play the game when the game is rigged?

    Why waste the energy.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Capitalism is a dog fight for every cent for every individual and every group.

    Your dogs are weak.

    The Chinese are tenacious.

    The Indians are motivated.
    The Russians are ruthless.
    The Americans are skilled.
    The Chileans will dominate latam.

    lol

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    The free market doesn't work in Argentina because you're population is lazy, stupid and entitled.
    Every decade you have a crash that takes you to a level below the last crash.
    Getting poorer and dumber with every generation.

    If that's your plan you better take self defence classes so you can keep the bag of onions you've been allocated by the State.

    Do you not see what's happening in Venezuela?
    Its Argentina with oil.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    If rotting roadkill truly wants to isolate its self - quit flogging your junk overseas.

    Settle your debts and move on.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    Most posters here will sing the praises of capitalism and berate socialism without knowing that most economies are a mix of free-market and state intervention.
    Of course there are several other factors, but you would be surprised by government spending in terms of GDP per cent:
    Iceland 57%
    Sweden 52%
    France 52.8%
    China’s 20%
    United Kingdom 47.3
    United States 38.9
    Argentina 24.7
    http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/3963/economics/list-of-government-spending-as-of-gdp/

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Japan, Switzerland, Netherlands, Singapore and England are tiny little places that have few natural resources and yet they dominate on a world stage.

    Wonder why that is?

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    The “wealth distribution rate” is the best in Argentina. For equality come to Formosa where everyone is equally poor.

    ...a great selling point.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    America spends entirely too much money with a significant portion of it on behalf of the rest of the globe countering and holding in check the territorial aspirations of Radical Islam, Russia and China.

    rotting roadkill privatizies much of the cost of its social programs by transfering financial responsibility to employers via unfunded mandates. This is one of the primary reasons no entity in rotting roadkill operates entirely en blanco.

    I would say nice try but its weak.

    Aug 24th, 2015 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #40 EM

    ”...It's regrettable that you would suggest a return to ”paredón” (brick wall) as a means to solve political differences or punish corruption.
    One may agree or disagree with the current government--lively debate happens, in fact--but political differences are solved in the ballot box.
    Crimes such as corruption are dealt with by the courts--with the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty...”

    It was not in the early 70's when my family's farmland was being illegally confiscated by Allende's government. Chile's Supreme Court issued several court orders against the Unidad Popular actions that were just bliantly ignored.

    In September 1973 the junta started linining them up against walls and administered an alternative solution.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    '63 chronic
    Japan, Switzerland, Netherlands, Singapore and England are tiny little places that have few natural resources and yet they dominate on a world stage.

    You missed out Scotland that runs England as some sort of proxy state.... :)

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MK8 Torpedo

    SA needs an equivalent of the English Glorious revolution of 1688.
    Get rid of the useless government and limit the power of the head of state.Restore property rights,set up a new court system.
    Use a foreign power if no alternative.
    This was done with very limited bloodshed.The brick wall strategy also works.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin Woodhead

    #66 the cure was worse than the disease
    #67 all too true :)

    Argentina should work its a Beautiful resource rich country it doesn't work because of mismanagement and corruption. The President should hang her head in shame forget about 2nd hand jet fighters sort out drinking water and housing at home

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    I think a parliamentary system might improve governance in Latin America.

    A presidential system concentrates too much power in one person and leads to personality cults that have bedevilled much of Latin America through its history. Personality politics and centralised power is a reminant of Spanish colonialism and the Catholic Church.

    A figure head president who is non-political acting as a constitutional guardian over a parliament with a Prime Minister that relies on the support of elected representatives rather than a poll every 4-5 years.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Welsh Wizard

    The cult of personality does seem to be a huge issue. It stops people from seeing through the personality to the policies beyond. So much of what this govt makes little sense yet people are unwilling to look through the underlying fundamentals of policy and the impact that policy has on the ground

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Democracy has clearly failed in Argentina and Venezuela. The system is corrupted and doomed to continued failures.

    Argentinians are not smart enough nor active enough to have a representative government.

    Until they realize this they will continue to devolve.

    When the vast majority of people can't afford Onions its a sign of deep trouble.
    Get a clue Rgs
    Get a clue.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The cult of personalities seems very popular in countries with a population where a large percentage is poor. They have charisma and sell hope to the hopeless. Do you think the poor look at CFK waving at them with her Rolex encrusted wrist and think 'she bought that with our money while I can hardly feed my children'? No, they are thinking, that could be me one day, standing there dripping in designer clothes and jewellery. It is very clever.

    CFK doesn't always get it right because she tends to mocks the people she claims to represent but she was gifted the widow card not always available to others. And, boy, did she milk it to death.

    I remember discussing Hugo Chavez with a person (can't really say who) who met him many times and described him as the most charismatic man he had ever met. He didn't agree with any of his politics but could recognise the power of his charisma.

    All you need is a small elite rich class and a large destitute population to create a space for a charismatic despot to move in to power. The sad part is that they abuse the poor just as much but wrap it up in false hope. Hope and fear, the most powerful emotions when selling an idea.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Heisenbergcontext

    “All you need is a small elite rich class...”. And a territorial dispute ( which, conveniently, they can never win ) to complete the trivecta.

    At least she's stopped wearing black all the damn time. Thank god for small mercies.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @74 A territorial dispute or a perceived enemy will do to unite the country, it is true. Both is the jackpot.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • HansNiesund

    They're also critically lacking the concept of a loyal opposition.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Yes, but isn't that a casualty of aggressive nationalism? If you criticise anything about the country at all you are a traitor. Didn't we witness that with Tevez making a perfectly valid observation.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #69 Martin

    Although I agree with your main statement about Argentina, you'll never accomplish anything close to it while corrupt Peronists still are in control.

    I lived through Allende and his administration reminds me of what's happening in Venezuela today.

    The cure would be painful and tragic. The current situation is the same.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Apparently CFK appeared at some museum and has ordered that all the antiquities 'stolen' from Argentinas South American neighbours in the past will be returned. The Times article speculated that she has ordered this to put pressure on Great Britain to return the Elgin Marbles etc. No doubt she will soon have George Clooney on her side.

    She didn't make any mention of returning the Billions stolen from Argentinian Bond holders though?

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @79 Yeah, I read that. It reinforces the 'evil foreigners against us' to deflect any criticism of her hiding out for two weeks while Buenos Aires was under water.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Errr... foreigners are evil and are against us. Independent of some flooding in an area that tends to flood. Facts still remain facts.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @81 Yes, bless you , but you cannot resist conversing with us.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • CaptainSilver

    Dead right Nostril, we are 100% evil and we all hate you and would like to see you disappear off the face of the planet. Anything else we can help you with (give him another biscuit)?

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    Will we see 16/1 today?

    I was reading an article making from of CFK's nutty oil policies. They just can't let the market work. They do exactly the opposite of what they should be doing and wonder why the country collapses every decade.

    Venezuela is 700/1. Just a few years ago they were where Arg is today.
    Arg is catching up quickly tho
    and Arg is in worse structural shape
    much worse
    They just don't know it yet.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “The “blue” parallel exchange rate today soared 21 cents to 16.05 pesos in underground houses, ”

    From the Buenos Aires Herald.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @72 Yeah, get a clue that we are inferior people who are incapable of getting democracy right like proper human beings. Go for military dictatorship like all humans inferior to the enlightened Anglo-Saxons.
    No thanks.
    I would like to see links to back up your statement that Argentina is in worse structural shape than Venezuela. Just curious.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    #86 Magnus

    I respectfully disagree with Yankeeboy.

    Few countries in the world are is worse structural shape than Venezuela is today. No food, no medicine and a worthless currency. Petroleum is now below $40...

    There are unfortunate occasions when an entrenched government refuses to accept the people's wishes and must be forcibly changed at a terrible cost.

    “What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.” Thomas Jefferson 1787

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    I don't have to bother with links, I can tell you very simply why Argentina is in worse shape than Venezuela.
    Argentina doesn't own its production of Soy. It is owned privately and no farmer is going to plant if they think there's a chance they'll lose money.
    Venezuela owns the fields and the oil company. They can pump when they need U$.
    Venezuela also has access to the Intl Bond Market
    They also have Gold as their reserves.

    Those few things will make all the difference in the world when BCRA can't float their way out of this mess.
    It looks like to me that they've given up supporting the Peso.
    Its all down hill from here
    The u$ is gone.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    Yep glad I sealed a few deals on properties and have mortgages in pesos.
    Let it explode
    Wait till the start of next month when you have a tide of people buying dollars officially and either keeping or reselling them.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    16.02. lol.

    Aug 25th, 2015 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ilsen

    -73 ElaineB

    Thank you so much for post.

    Aug 26th, 2015 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yankeeboy

    87. Those are symptoms of the structural problems in V.
    Argentina is in much worse shape.

    The crisis coming to Arg will be a combination of 1989 and 2001.
    and unlike anything they've ever seen

    The USA/IMF will not bail them out
    because
    Nobody cares.

    Aug 26th, 2015 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    AN EXPECTABLE MISCHIEVOUS UTILIZATION.
    It's absolutly repudiable the fact that Tevez was victim of such a despisable act of discrimination, in fact, the same hypocrites who say that defend poor people, discriminated him for his poor origins, beside, it's not less repudiable the obvious mischievous utilization that was made by the same cretins who don't care in absolut about poor people, like Macri, who made so little as a chief of government to reduce the high level of social unequality, characteristic of the south from Capital Federal.
    On the other hand, the anti k press tried to make people believe that many members from kirchnerism insulted Tevez, when actualy it was no more than one imbecile the one who did it.
    It's well known that Formosa has always been one of the poorest provinces from Argentina, however, it seems that now, some of the rich people who want to pay less taxes remembered about it, i mean those hypocrites who were dated in this report.
    I will always be disposed to talk about social indexes, despite the big differences among the figures of all of them, but if we want to discuss seriously about the social situation of the country, i think it's very mediocre to date just what statistics say. There are other objetive facts that are much more relevant than what statistics say, beyond where they come from. I mean the fact that if our social situation had improved just a little, then f. p. v. wouldn't have been chosen to rule the nation for three periods, which is something that all the former administrations couldn't achieve, which shows clearly that something must have improved in the nation, although some reactionary people don't like it. Anyway, it's absolutly honest to recognize that while it is true that millions of our citizens could improve their situations, because they could get a job in this decade, there is still a 33% of workers who don't have any social safe, which is one the biggest challenges that we have as a nation.

    Aug 26th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @93 Your post is not very clear but a few points:

    “ it was no more than one imbecile” That would be cabinet adviser Jorge Manuel Santander speaking on behalf of the government.

    “some of the rich people who want to pay less taxes ” That would be the very rich Kirchners and everyone around them.

    It is shameful that your current government has allowed poverty to increase but pretend it has not. Kicillof refuses to give the true statistics because 'it stigmatises the poor'. No it does not.

    I cannot see how you can support your failing, corrupt and criminal government. Unless they pay you.

    Aug 26th, 2015 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    ELAINE B.
    If i had such a mediocre mentality like you, i would think that you criticise C.F. K's administration, because perhaps you are being paid to do it, however, i don't think that people need to be paid to support, or to be detractor of any government.
    Respecting the soposed corruption cases that involve C.F. K.'s administration, you already know what i think about it, because i told you in different opportunities what is what i defend of this decade. Beside,when i refered to some of the rich people who want to pay less taxes, i was talking about Macri, and about one of the lawmakers from the opposition from Formosa, who was dated in this report.
    On the other hand, in relation to statistics, although i don't ignore the big controversy that exists with that issue, because of the big differences that we see among their figures, i think that if we want to discuss about the progress of the years of kirchnerism, it's pretty mediocre if what we do is just to date the figures of different statistics, without taking into account other objetive facts, like those i described in my comment 93, which are much more relevant than what any statistic can say.
    It's well known that there are different ways to measure poverty, then, nobody is the owner ofthe truth.
    Anyway, it's expectable that people with such a mediocre mentality like you, will keep on invaliding everything that was made in all these years, instead of being a serious detractor of kirchnerism, that's why, one of the few things you do, is to underestimate all those people who support kirchnerism, that's the reason why you think that maybe i'm being paid for defending the achievements that workers could get in all these years.

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    Speaking of countries with unparalleled structural problems:

    The worst problem you can have is the quality of the people. In this no one is worse than the USA. Just when you think they can sink lower (killing 33 poor university students, killing 14 people in a high school, 12 totally harmless movie goers, 26 SIX YEAR OLD CHILDREN), they actually SINK lower.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/26/us/virginia-shooting-wdbj/

    I love how Americans say these are “isolated” incidents.

    Reminds me of the following saying:

    “This was just an isolated incident that takes place in any place at any time.”

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • chronic

    Some would argue that the shooting of the talking heads is inconsistent witht the rest of your examples.

    Aug 27th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    While another Argentinian footballer Mascherano waves a poster about his country's farcical claim to the Falklands, Tevez draws attention to the reality of poverty and starvation in Argentina. It is absolutely shocking but we all know how Kirchner's deluded supporters will react. Another bout of self-denial and illusion. But the facts about Kirchner's disastrous economic policies will not be kept quiet. Just wait and see.

    Aug 28th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • PDG0192

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/535739/Argentina-paid-millions-from-Uk-foreign-aid-budget

    @96: Hey! Trollboy! Read something relevant to the thread. Here's hoping common sense prevails!
    Looking forward to your brilliant comments.

    Aug 28th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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