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Falklands' MLAs confident they can 'educate' UK politicians who have swallowed the Argentine story
Falkland Islands elected lawmakers believe that the election of MP Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labor would be harmful for that party, but anyhow they are confident that as happened before, they can 'educate' detractors who argue that Britain and Argentina should negotiate over the Falklands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe great Malvinas myth exposed: https://www.academia.edu/10490336/Argentinas_Illegitimate_Sovereignty_Claims
Aug 29th, 2015 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear oh dear....giving opinions on UK politics and politicians...
Aug 29th, 2015 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now there's a stupid mistake...
Especially when it's a certainty that he will lead a party that could eventually hold the fate of the islands....
There will never be a referendum on the subject it will be a simple deal behind closed doors....all one politicians promises of support will mean nothing....
You think....your version of events will change peoples opinions....you are deluded...an expensive white Elephant that is more trouble than it is worth...is not an opinion, it's a reality.....
A liability Time Bomb....
@Voice
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0While it is higly likely Corbyn will soon lead the Labour party, it is unlikely he will still lead it by the time of the next election. And even if he did, the electoral mathematics of the next election will see his party go backwards. Boundary changes will lose him seats in the North, he will win few Scottish seats back and according to LabourList, 80% of the voters he will need to win over voted Conservative this time. Rather than winning over such voters he will in fact lose more as was the case in May in the Midlands marginals. Labour thought it would sweep these up but instead the Tories increased their majorities in those seats. After Blair, came Brown then Miliband, each to the left of the other resulting in cumulative swings from Labour to Conservative in 2005, 2010 and this year. 2020 will see a continuation in this trend under Corbyn.
And even if Corbyn somehow overcomes all that (which he won't) it would be imposible for him to hand over the islands as it could not get through Parliament. Our PMs are more powerful than Presidents when they have votes but can be sacked in the morning when they don't. Lobbying Labour MPs at party conferences won't do any harm though frankly I would expect Tory backbenchers to bring up the FIs at PMQs more regularly now though as they will enjoy seeing Corbyn laughed at every week which is precisely why the Parliamentary Labour party will move to get rid off him sooner rather than later.
We already have a bigger liability, an even more hazardous time bomb - the Scotch. But dont worry that wont last long, they will soon be out of the United Kingdom. Good riddance!
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Educate' the Bat-shit commie bastard that is Corbyn, who of course has a mansion in Shropshire just typical of the left, then good luck with that.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good post from 3 Redrow as is that of 4 The Voice.
The SNP and The Hag have shown how ill-prepared they are to 'govern' even such a small population such as Scotland, barely larger than that of Uruguay with their childish actions, again just like the 'children' of The Broad Fraud.
Have a look at the actions of these children in power in Uruguay: that is where the Scots are destined to be when they eventually 'get free'! HA, HA, HA.
Labour will never win power in the UK for at least 20 years! And who says that? BLiar and several other denizens of 'New Labour', including The Cunt Brown © Jeremy Clarkson 2010.
The Falklands is an asset to any Party Leader, as The Blessed Margaret showed in 1982. Corbyn will be marginalised by the other MP's and made a laughing stock of by the press, a bit like Michael Foot on steroids without the personal conviction.
Voice - You forget- back in the late 1960s the then left wing Labour Govt in its naievity almost did a behind the scenes closed doors deal with Argentina - when it became public what was happening there was a godalmighty row in parliament - and plans soon changed!
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0And that was before the military invasion of 1082 and subsequent conflict and loss of British lives kicking the aggressor out again.
No way would any UK Govt in future be dumb enough- or suicidal enough - to go down that path again.
Also the article has errors- I don't think our MLAs have ever said NO talks with Argentina - what they have said time and time again is that any talks will have 3 sides as a team from the Islands Govt will be at the table - and if anything any talks would be more between Arg and Falklands - with UK there and also involved.
It is Argentina who refuses to attend any meetings and talks - and who ignores offers of them when made to Argentina at the UN.
Here we go...I make a provocative comment and wait in anticipation for the degrees of stupidity that define the different contributors to the forum....
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will have the smart cookies that will counter my argument with a reasoned comment...
There will be the next that will attack me instead...
Then finally there will be the most stupid that will attack where they think I live....(Can you believe that)...
Which category do you want to be in....???
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Not even the mighty seer Yankeeboy can predict the outcome of a general election in the UK...all of us were expecting a coalition and yet the Tories all surprised us....
So it is never good politics or diplomacy to insult the next leader of the opposition in power or not.... the majority vote in Parliament decides the future fate of the Falklands not the electorate....
Someone should tell these stupid amateurs to think before they open their mouths...
Voice, what you have never revealed is exactly WHY you take the position you do? You seem to enjoy being an Aunt Sally, did the islanders offend you? There are many things in British life that make little economic sense as you are well aware. Should we shut down every museum, arts project, and similar non self supporting institution because it costs us?
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suspect there is something personal here, what is it?
@7 Voice / Think
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite true - there is literally nothing in history that can ever help us anticipate future events!! For example, Argentina might elect a pro-business, broad church, rule-of-law President who will reach out to N.America and the EU to encourage inward investment and infrastructural improvements that will return it to greatness once again. History suggests that will not in fact happen, but as you say the future cannot be predicted.
I was recently at a meeting where Peter Mandelson said he always ignored opinion polls and yet had accurately predicted the overall outcome of all general elections since the 80s, based purely on fundamentals like economics and leadership. That Mandelson (who orchestrated 3 election wins for Blair) is trying to drag Labour back to the Centre is no coincidence.
The rest of us only expected another coalition because of the Opinion polls - but apart from ComRes and Ashcroft (who were dismissed as outliers or biased) the rest were wrong and worst they all “herded” to an equally wrong call of neck-and-neck. However the Tories were always well ahead on leadership and economics which always wins elections. Corbyn will never be ahead on leadership (his MPs will not sacrifice their seats for the sake of loyalty a man who voted against his party 500 times) or economics (PQE is South American in its absurdity) and so cannot win. Its the fundamentals Thinko, no guessing required.
@2. One wonders who is deluded. Bit like Salmond deciding that the majority of Scotland wanted independence. Except it didn't. In the reality, the majority of England has a rooted hatred for the Labour Party. Who created the benefit culture? Who threw open the doors to migrants? Who started the destruction of the British armed forces? Who kowtowed to the EU? Who gave the stupid and ignorant ECtHR jurisdiction in the UK. It's Labour all the way. It's doubtful if Corbyn can live long enough to get into power. But then you look at his “policies”. There isn't one bit of intelligence in them. One of his latest stupidities? Threatening to sack the governor of the Bank of England if the Bank wouldn't print as much money as he wants. He's a total fool.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7. “So it is never good politics or diplomacy to insult the next leader of the opposition in power or not”. Who's talking politics or diplomacy? Here's a start point, a joke. Corbyn gets into power. One of the first things that will happen will be that the military will tell him the benefits of retaining the Falklands, including the effect on Britain's alliances if he gives the Islands to argieland. Then there'll be the bricks and other missiles thrown at him for “forgetting” the sacrifices made in 1982 by British forces. Besides, all the Falklands have to do is declare independence. Perhaps confiscate all available British military equipment. And the British forces on the Islands would probably help them!
Do you think British forces, even at sea, don't read newspapers or use the internet. It wouldn't be long before they understood to views of the British people. They aren't dumb cannon fodder. They will remember that 255 of their comrades died so that the Falklands could be British and free.
Corbyn is just an example of the Labour Party grabbing at straws. He has no real credibility.
What a load of arrogants. So the colonists in the islands thinks they are teachers and that any polititians or person who thinks differently to them are uneducated and need to be educated by THEM?. So for them there is not such think as liberty of expression but ignorance that needs to be eliminated by these two or three colonists in the islands?. What else do they teach? exploitation of foreing lands? imperialism? Why dont they make a program and publish it in the internet?. Oh i forgot they have Mercopress here.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Liberato, are you one of the colonists of the mainland? Do your ancestors murder lots of the indiginous indians. Sounds to me like you are arrogant Argie twat? Your grasp of English is so poor that you cannot see that the article is talking about educating errant British politicians. We know brainwashed Argies like yourselves are a lost cause.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@7 Voice… Well, are you going to fess up? Tell us why you take your traitorious stance? What have you got against the Falkland Islanders that you have previously made so many dispariging comments about?
Or, are you just here to brag about what you have got, how tough you are, how tall you are, how you own lots of property, how you can blow the bagpipes etc etc. Doesnt ring true especially as you then say that you live near a joke town on the banks of a soggy loch!
By the way did you know the latest definition of a gentleman? A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the bagpipes but doesnt!
@11 Liberato
Aug 29th, 2015 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ So the colonists in the islands ”
Spoken by a true implanted Spanish colonist.
Go back to Europe and return Argentina to the Amerindians.
“. So for them there is not such think as liberty of expression ”
The Islanders (unlike arrogant Argentines) do not assume people will accept their views, but they have the right to speak to those people with their side of the story.
It is up to the people on the receiving end to decide if they agree with the Islanders views, No one is assuming here that they will.
You are worried that the outrageous bullshit spread by Argentina will be countered by the Islands politicians-and that's not going to be difficult.
Argentina has consistently lied about the UN's stance on self determination.
Argentina has consistently lied about 1833.
Argentina has consistently lied about claiming the Falkland Islands consistently when in fact they did not mention the Islands from 1888 to the 1940s.
Argentina has consistently lied about 'Spanish inheritance' when in 1863 the Spanish visited Stanley to salute the Union Jack, accepting British Sovereignty.
I can name more, but will not bore you-the other posters can come up with more Argentine lies.
“What else do they teach? exploitation of foreing lands? imperialism”
It is Argentina that is imperialist and wishing to exploit foreign lands, like it did when it genocided thousands of native Indians , stealing their territory-but you won't get away with it because you are no longer opposing people armed with bows and arrows-although the Meteor missile is a fine' arrow.'
If you are so appalled that the Falkland Islanders are going to exercise their democratic rights to give their side of the story to BRITISH (NOT Argentine) politicians that WE HERE IN BRITAIN elect, then no worries. You can bet your bottom peso, the UK posters on this forum will be deluging UK politicians on behalf of our Falklands sisters and brothers as to why we should support the Falklanders.
The meteor missile is indeed a fine arrow,as is the storm shadow,tomahawk,sea viper,sea ceptor,sea wolf,star streak and rapier 2000.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A small selection of UK firepower for the Arjunta trolls.
Give back the islands to their rightful owners!
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A R G E N T I N A
Can't give back to Arjuntina something they never had.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they want the islands they must try and take them.
GOOD LUCK
What a saddo...
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12 is going for category 2 and three @7...
Embarrassing or what....
At 4;
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cognitive dissonance is what you have.
But thanks for confirming our own thoughts regarding Scotland.
But to get back on topic, Corbyn is not welcome by the majority of Scots, - As he is a Unionist. (does not want us to be in charge of our own country)
You should be thanking us for being against this threat to the Falklands.
I'm pretty sure the Scots Gov will voice their support for the Islanders when they visit.
The prejudice that the Malvinas cause England in a globalized economy is too high a price to pay.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I admire this sacrifice of England.
Let's see how long it will last.
A R G E N T I N A
@17 Is that the wail of the pipes, or the wail of a sore looser?
Aug 29th, 2015 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cmon Voicey fess up, whats your angle, whats your beef?
We know a Yank ran off with the Mrs, but that was years ago…
Why do you hate the FI, why do you want it taken over by an invader who has no rights to tbem.
@ Brasileiro
Aug 29th, 2015 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank-you for your concern but you really don't need to worry about the UK. That we play by the rules, uphold rights and pay our bills is precisely why other countries trade with us. No-one apart from a few poor Malvinistas are bothered that we defend the rights of the FIs so it comes at very little cost to us in the 21st Century.
@15. Do want to DIE as well? No problem for us. Watch for the incoming nukes.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17. Nobody needs a brainless asshole. How come you haven't evolved?
@19. No sacrifice for us. 160 plus 100 kiloton nuclear warheads land on brazil. Got an argument? The British people don't need enemies. They can be wiped out. Argieland, Brazil, Scotchland. Who needs 'em?
19 Brasiliero - do please list and itemise the real practical major international problems that Britain has because it sticks up for Human rights and democracy over the Falklands.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the real problems now - not just the meaningless hot air statements from some countries which actually mean nothing as those country or countries caries on normal relations with Britain anyway!
@5 ChrisR
Aug 29th, 2015 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must be a member of the National Front from the way your prose is presented - are you?
@17
Aug 29th, 2015 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@7...
Embarrassing or what....”
Ooops. You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment....
@ 24 gordo1
Aug 29th, 2015 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And you must be as frustrated with your 'chosen' RCC after 50 years on fairy tales to ask me that nonsense.
How many professional engineers, directors of an international electrical engineering company and multi-sector business owners (all of which applies to my career) do YOU know are NF?
In fact, I doubt you have even met ANY example of the above living in that fairyland world of yours.
I realise I am your worst nightmare disavowing the CofE whilst holding the highest non-ordained position in the service of the church to become an atheist (55 years ago) whilst 5 years later you abandoned the CofE for the RCC! Frying pan and fire jumps to mind.
So don't be surprised if you keep on with this nonsense of talking up this bunch of religious crooks if I and others take you to task to put it how it is. The RCC ARE paedophiles and have been for decades and subsequent popes have lied about it to keep this vermin out of jail.
The present Dope of a Pope is clearly playing politics instead of keeping his huge argie nose out of it. How many KNOWN men in dresses paedophiles has he seen jailed? NONE as far as I am aware.
Got it now?
uhhh so you british get offended to hear the word colonists uh?. Well indeed, historically the islands were and is, always considered a colony. Noy only from Argentina, but from the international community as well, while Argentina is considered a sovereign nation.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are people in Argentina who thinks the islands should be recognized as british, and its fine, becouse it is how democracy works. People have their right to think differently. Not for thinking differently we say they have to be “EDUCATED”, as you british says about british polititians taking a more pro-argentine stance. In the islands, for example, there are no different voices, no freedom of expression. What there is there is a bush style stance: or you are with britain or against britain becoming (at the eyes of the population) a traitor, a bad person, a criminal. etc (As happened with Alex Betts, James Peck, Mike Bingham, etc)
Who the hell is MLA Short to “educate” people?. In any case, he might say that Corbyn is missinformed, but not an uneducated or ignorant man that needs Gavin Short to teach him how thinks works.
Liberato, seems to us you are the offended one. Argentina isnt known as a sovereign nation, its universally known as the home of the biggest bunch of liars, theives and crooks on the planet. As for Betts the traitor, yes, he is just that.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinians need EDUCATION because they have never had any at the standard that is normal in the first world. We look on in pity at your brainwashed masses because we know all about the crooks stealing your taxes and salting it away in Swiss Banks
You sound ridiculous..
@27: “uhhh so you british get offended to hear the word colonists uh?. Well indeed, historically the islands were and is, always considered a colony”... Not me. The term doesn't offend me at all, and I doubt it offends any other British people either.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are not a colony. They were, but are no longer. Although if Argentina ever managed to get the greasy hands on them, they would be so.
Gavin Short is an elected member of the Legislative Assembly, and, therefore, in the ideal position to re-affirm the rights of the population of the Falkland Islands.
Why should the likes of the idiot Alicia Castro and Danny Filmus be the only ones to “educate” leaders of the free world? The education they offer is either misinformed, misguided or just plain wrong, so Mr Short giving the Falklands a bit of representation to his fellow Brits is perfectly acceptable.
One day, Liberato, you too may have a chance to speak to your elected representatives, if you ever have a democracy!
@26 ChrisR
Aug 29th, 2015 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”How many professional engineers, directors of an international electrical engineering company and multi-sector business owners (all of which applies to my career) do YOU know are NF?“ Well, I must say it is difficult to judge but your postings indicate you are certainly a rather right wing twit!
And as far as having met individuals of ”great eminence“ I think I can more than match you in that regard but my modesty keeps from saying more.
You state ”I realise I am your worst nightmare disavowing the CofE whilst holding the highest non-ordained position in the service of the church to become an atheist (55 years ago) whilst 5 years later you abandoned the CofE for the RCC! Frying pan and fire jumps to mind.“ I am sorry I just don't understand what you are trying to say with this statement.
As far as ”talking up the bunch of religious crooks” kindly indicate where I have done this. I have gone to great pains to state I do not support any illegal or immoral act committed by members of the Roman Catholic clergy whilst all you do is insult Christians because of their faith in a Supreme Being.
What odd behaviour!
Falklands' MLAs confident they can 'educate' UK politicians
Aug 29th, 2015 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0IF ONLY,
Britain would still be as powerful to day and respected, and not abused by stupid brainwashed dictators.
the only thing that will educated most British politicians is to remove their privileges and make em live in the real world, instead of the fairy land most of them live in.
The Falkland Islanders need have no concerns if the Labour Party goes mad and picks this Marxist relic as its leader. Remember that other giant of the extreme Left, Michael Foot, who nearly destroyed Labour with his loony ideas? Well, commie Corbyn would prove even more disastrous. When you look at the mass hysteria surrounding the blessed Jeremy, you quickly conclude his hero-worshippers can be divided into two categories: politically naive youngsters and intellectually sclerotic pensioners. End of discussion, end of the media mania. Falklanders, carry on enjoying your wonderful lifestyles. The British people are ready and willing to shed blood for your freedom from the cruel, callous and corrupt Kirchner regime in Buenos Aires..
Aug 29th, 2015 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Corbyn said in an interview with the BBC in 2013 that a “degree of joint administration” might resolve the conflict over the Falkland Islands. He has not stepped back from the suggestion since making it.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He said: “Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality.
”It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar. There is a way forward.
“It was in Margaret Thatcher's interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues.
”There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom
suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
Interesting..
“Why can't we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms.”
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@ 30 gordo1
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mmm! You claim to have a knowledge of Jibber-jabber, but you didn't understand the joke when I nominated your tag as 'Fatty' following an earlier insult you made to me, even though this is well understood to be what the meaning of gordo is in Spanish!
What odd behaviour! But it happens to be true in your case....
Given the delusional sect that you follow I have every confidence that what you claim in your post above is true! :o)
Or at least you believe it.
If you have ever read my political comments you must now imagine that The Blessed Margaret was in fact in the National Front! You are of course correct in this delusion! :o)
You are funny, even though you do not realise it. :o(
Marcos- Are you as dumb as Corbyn??
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Aland Islands are in the Baltic - not the Amand! Oh and both Finland and Sweden are open democracies that are pretty well free of corruption and both have similar high standards of living.
Spotting a difference re the Falklands are you?
HongKong? - No it went from British to Chines overnight- because the Lease had expired - simple as that! there were some special democratic agreements arranged - and mainland China is now in the process of removing them!
See the connection?
Gibraltar! - No Spain has no say in internal Govt there - never has either.
Mrs T in 1982 - Bullshit - she would have been out of power rapidly had she not sent a Task Force, and UK made the laughing stock of the world to be pissed on by any tinpot little dictator. Check previous Labour PM- Callaghan would have done exactly the same - indeed he did send a naval force in 1977 to signal Buenos Aires- cool it - or else.
Tell me - If Argentina means peace and wants to talk - openly - with no fixed agenda and NO presumption that they will get sovereignty - Why did they walk away in London - Why did they refuse to accept the offer handed to them in the UN?
Why instead does Argentina threaten interference in international communications by air. Threaten innocent 3rd party cruise vessels in the area.
Threaten commercial container ships with commercial blackmail threats if they carry container destined for the Falklands. Dispute the Int listed and accepted Flag of the Islands.
I could go on - but just answer the above will do for now?
Only a fool would want to throw in their lot with Argentina. A few days ago the Washington Post reported:
Aug 29th, 2015 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“All is not well in Argentina. The economy is stagnant, the fiscal deficit unsustainable and growing, foreign and domestic investment meager, inflation running at 30 percent, drug-related violence rising and the country remains an outcast in the international financial community.”
What a mess. But Corruptina Kirchner has a positive rating of 52 per cent and the rest of Latin America shakes its head in horror and disbelief. You have to say the Argentine people deserve this ghastly, grotesque, gargoyle-faced rabble-rouser who is bequeathing a failed, corrupt, bankrupt country to her successor. Her land of delusion, illusion and dementia is going to have a hell of a rude awakening.
Yeahhhh, Kelpers.....
Aug 29th, 2015 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Send immediately a delegation of your best Engrish born politicians to London and teach them bloody Engrish politicians how the cookie crumbles...
Chuckle chuckle
Uh uh! Voicey has been ejected from the Combined Services again. Hello Think… The poor old sod hasnt got enough poof for his pipes any more. Couldnt compete in the piping, not good enough.
Aug 29th, 2015 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if one or more Falkland Islanders would kindly explain to me when and why the term “Kelpers” fell from grace? I visited the islands many years ago, before the war, and at that time the islanders seemed quite proud of it.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 037 Think - and which of the above 3 politicians happens to be English born?
Aug 30th, 2015 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 039Ynsere - probably just moved on don't really know why - it is still used sometimes but among us Kelpers nowadays we tend more to refer to ourselves as “Bens” - the nickname the Br Forces gave us after 1982 - we thought it a laugh -but their officers got terribly fussed and tried to ban it - so for a while we became “stills” (still bennies) - then the senior officers gave up!
Nowadays though in general we mostly refer to ourselves as Islanders - and that includes those not born here but who are now permanent residents, taken out citizenship etc and generally have thrown their lot in and made the Islands their home.
Which is why when asked a few years ago the majority of us- be we Islands-UK-Australian-Chilean-USA- even Argentine born - put down our nationality firstly as Islanders - and then British. That upset a few narrow minded press reporters who failed to understand it!
Its probably linked to the changes in our Constitution over the years and the move away from colonialism to being our own little country - and British.
Islander1 @ 40
Aug 30th, 2015 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Many thanks. All good wishes from Punta del Este.
Sunday Telegraph 30/08/2015
Aug 30th, 2015 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11833264/Jeremy-Corbyns-Falklands-plan-tantamount-to-surrender-to-Argentina-warns-wounded-veteran-Simon-Weston.html
Well said, Simon Weston!
”There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom
Aug 30th, 2015 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
“Why can't we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms.”
Well said, Mr. Jeremy Corbyn!
Marcos, the last time we tried to welcome your foreign minister Gollum for a meeting when he was already in London he ran away and we had an empty chair.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for Jeremy, at least 5 years in opposition to go, probably 10 or 15. And Simon Weston is a national hero, universally respected and what he says counts ten times more.
Who talks to bullys? I was told to just punch them in the face.
@43
Aug 30th, 2015 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your efforts would be better spent reminding Mr Corbyn of the letter written by the 17 individuals to Kirchner ,in the Cronica newspaper, and also advising Kirchner that describing them as “cheap intellectuals” is more a reflection on her failure as a President and government than their attempts to drag Argentina within the bounds of civilised behaviour.
Oh oh...there are cracks in the wall...and they are going to “educate” this renegade Corbyin!
Aug 30th, 2015 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“We will robustly attempt to educate him.”
Oh my!! How many lashes will this ”education” involve?
Or perhaps it will just be a kiss from Jan CHEEK? (pardon the pun).
And what does Filmus do? He kisses Cristinas arse.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think that Labour just might be trying to stir the RGs up & give them false hope.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0lt will be all that more devastating when they come crashing down again!
And fun to watch.
@43 Marquitos Alejandrito
Aug 30th, 2015 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you ever produce anything adult for our entertainment?
@46
Aug 30th, 2015 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not so much cracks in the wall as rantings in your diatribe.
Perhaps they will use Filmus's offer of Mickey Mouse courses in some fly by night university like the ones your offering these renegade Islanders.
Great line from Blair about Corbyn supporters:
Aug 30th, 2015 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0”those who dismiss his (Blair's) views on how Labour can win elections are making a tragic mistake and are trapped in their own “hermetically sealed bubble” in which “reason is an irritation, evidence a distraction, emotional impact is king and the only thing that counts is feeling good about it all”.
Ouch!!
@Enrique
Why shouldn't the islanders speak up for themselves? It's their country. If they want to educate Corbyn or anyone else about their country then they are perfectly free too. But remember that even when Blair and Hain negotiated with Spain over Gibraltar, the people of Gibraltar voted against and that was the end of that. Even if Corbyn wins the next election (which he won't as Blair and every other non-Corbynista in the UK knows), he could not give the FIs away because it would be illegal to do so without the consent of the islanders - which clearly he won't get. I'm delighted to see Malvinistas getting excited about the prospect of a Corbyn victory, as it will make their eventual disappointment all the funnier.
Jeremy Corbyn's misguided policy statements are as bigger folly as the appeaser Neville Chamberlain's views were. He would be wise to remember the old truism “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke
Aug 30th, 2015 - 12:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27. Since when was argieland a “sovereign nation”? A bit of temporary lip-service. In reality a genocidal colony. Useful to note that argieland has brainwashing as part of its “education system”. The UK doesn't have the status of the Falkland Islands as part of its education system. Just watching an episode of “Edge of War” on the subject of the Falklands. I see that parts of the argie “education system” include the use of electric cattle prods on humans.
Aug 30th, 2015 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33. There will be no “joint administration”. The Islanders do not wish it. There is no “joint administration” in Hong Kong or Gibraltar. Corbyn is going the right way to get himself an unusual accolade. The first British leader in the 21st century to be assassinated.
@37. Not one argie political “leader” is safe. They know it.
@43. It's because they are wankers. Just like Corbyn. Did you not understand?
@46. You should know. You're the ones that like genocide, using electric cattle prods, making people “disappear”. Just nazis with a different name.
Perhaps if some belive that the british should give to, or share with others that are not entitled to them [ land ]
Aug 30th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then i would support this if others shared with the british, soveringty that we are not entitled to,
thats the return of more that half the planet i belive,
what say you...lol
Marcos- Just shows that you are as much a failure as your President- all you can do is utter words and partial statements- yet when challenged - you are silent and unable to respond and provide facts to back them up!
Aug 30th, 2015 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are almost as useless as Paulie.
(40) Islander1
Aug 30th, 2015 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) You ask...:
“Think - and which of the above 3 politicians happens to be English born?”
2) Article above CLEARLY states...:
“On the subject of educating, “detractors,” MLA Roger Edwards said he and MLA Jan Cheek would be heading for the Party Conferences, which take place late September early October “to continue that education”
3) I say...:
Last time I checked, Brinkworth was in England...
@37: ”“Think - and which of the above 3 politicians happens to be English born?”...In which way is their country of birth relevant? They are all British, they don't have to be born in the UK for that to be so. Is that a difficult thing to somehow understand?
Aug 30th, 2015 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If corbyn becomes labour leader,
Aug 30th, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK should invite him to Argentina and let him stay at her house,
at best, it will put the cat amongst the Pidgeon's,
at worst it will be another notch on her bed post.
What has she got to lose...lol
@ 58 Briton
Aug 30th, 2015 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not her virginity, that's for sure. :o)
Corbyn bends over backwards to set up talks rg think they won behave like the arrogant bellends we've come to know and love result nothing changes except the british draw up plans to liberate very west falklands
Aug 31st, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@46
Aug 31st, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Oh my!! How many lashes will this ”education” involve?”
All they have to do is reverse the lies that Argentina have told.
Most politicians in the UK still have not researched the history involving the Falklands and the UN rights the Islanders enjoy.
Corbyn will make himself unelectable if he threatens to sell out the Islanders.
He has already backed down on threats to remove the Queen as head of state and to remove the UK from NATO.
You seem to have forgotten what happened in parliament in 1968 and 1980 when the UK governments of the time tried to override the rights of the Islanders.
@61. There is a way to “educate” Corbyn. He could be staked out in Parliament Square and then all British people with a proper view could jump on his head. Hobnails obligatory.
Aug 31st, 2015 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corbyn is already unelectable by the intelligent. Regrettably, the Labour Party supporters are mostly composed of migrants and benefit scroungers.
And so we can see the reality of the UK. Migrants have to be stopped. How long would it take to reverse British citizenship that Labour gave away so freely? Supposedly, international law says that an individual cannot be left stateless. How about individuals that have gained nationality by lies and by the treachery of a political party?
Here is the proper course of action. A public announcement that no-one will be legally admitted to the UK without a visa.
Visa applications can only be processed by ethnic Britons.
Illegal immigrants can hope. Options are being shot on sight or deported.
Regular roundups.
Removal to concentration camps at least 5,000 miles from Europe. Totally humane. A meal a day. Running water. Payment in labour. Perhaps the UK could offer a site on the South Sandwich Islands.
But there is no doubt that the rights of the Islanders have priority. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a coward and a traitor.
But there is no doubt that the rights of the Islanders have priority. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a coward and a traitor.
Aug 31st, 2015 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True..
Irrespective of whether the British legislators are educated or otherwise the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0#64
Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The parrot has spoken....again and again and again. Time you learned a new tune.
How will they seize the Falklands when their country has imploded into warring states within 25 years.
64 Hepatia
Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0In as long as 25 years? You really do not have much confidence, do you? A country of 40 million has failed utterly to bully and frighten 3,000 peaceful “non-people”. Just shows how weak and useless la Presidenta Corruptina’s campaign has been, wasting so much time, energy and money on a failed campaign of intimidation. Kirchner, Timerman, Filmus, you have suffered a humiliating defeat and the rest of the world can’t help laughing at you. It’s a “global cause”, Corruptina? Ho, ho, ho, ja, ja, ja.
64 Hepatia
Sep 01st, 2015 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will continue to suffer from Delusional disorder as long as you fail to take your meds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder
How long have you had these delusions that you have the power of prophesy? You must have a huge need to compensate, for your feelings of inadequacy, to have such unrealistic fantasies.
YOUR BAD AND HYPOCRITICAL EDUCATION.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but i coudn't stop laughing when i read that these are the people who pretend to educate all those who think that Arg. and the U. K. must have a dialogue about the Malvinas-Faklands, i wonder how many individualls will support the posture of the lawmakers from the islands, after they tell the citizens that before the war, in 1968, 1974, and in 1980, Britain had the politic will of discussing with our country about the conflict, even under the worst criminal dictatorship that we had, however, they refuse to do it, after 32 years of uninterrupted democracy in Argentina.
It's more than obvious that their hypocritical and bad education, is based on the arguable argument which says that the islanders have right to self determination, when actualy, anybody who studies deeply about these question, like me, instead of repeating the propaganda of both countries, will know that public international right doesn't apply that principle for absolutly all people under any circunstance, beyond what the U. N. charter says about it, for this reason it's pretty arguable to say that the the islanders have that right. Beside, beyond the too partial arguments that we often hear of the leaders from both sides, it's well known that the case has strong and weak aspects for the two parties, and i have signalized them in many of my comments.
On the other hand, i'll always agree on the idea of discussing this case at the I. C. J., in fact, in 1884 and in 1888, Arg. suggested taking the case to the arbitration, but the U. k. rejected that idea, however, in 1947, Britain manifested it would be disposed to discuss about the dependencies from the islands before the I. C. J., but the Malvinas weren't included in that proposal. After that year, none of the two nations proposed again to take that step, perhaps, both aren't sure of winning the case, if the cause is analized at the Court.
Hepatia
Sep 01st, 2015 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina will be returning what it stole back to the original inhabitants in 25 years,
axel arg
no arbitration,
after hundreds of years, the people wish to be British, full stop/end of,
Three times, in 1947, 1948 and 1955, the United Kingdom told Argentina it would accept mediation over the Falklands by the International Court of Justice. On each occasion Buenos Aires rejected this completely reasonable and generous offer. It is obvious to everyone why Argentina was scared of mediation: it knew it had no legal case for ownership of the islands. After all, Britain settled the Falklands in 1765, before Argentina even existed. But even if Argentina had said it would accept the court’s judgement, it could never be trusted to keep its word. In 1971 Chile and Argentina both agreed to accept binding arbitration in yet another Argentinian sovereignty dispute, over islands in the Beagle Channel. However, when judges from the International Court of Justice decided unanimously in favour of Chile, Argentina rejected it. The corrupt Argentine regime of Cretina Kirchner can never be trusted.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ISLAS MALVINAS
Sep 01st, 2015 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0REPUBLICA ARGENTINA”
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FEELING STRONGER THAN EVER
José Malvinero @ 71
Sep 01st, 2015 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ISLAS MALVINAS, REPÚBLICA ARGENTINA” is nowt but an office building, albeit the only one in the world with its own governor.
@71: And the relevance of your post is what exactly? All I can see is your “president” rubbing her hands with glee at having spent a lot of money (your money) on nothing. She could have done something about starving, homeless people with that.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@68: You're right, there was discussion right up until your government invaded in '82. Up until then Argentina might have legally got their hands on the Falkland Islands. BUT, you failed to take notice of the UN when it issued Resolution 502, which ordered you off the Islands; this nullified UN Res.2065, asking for dialogue. The issue of “self-determination” is part of the UN Charter and is irrefutable in any circumstance. The Islanders wish to remain British.
The problem with “dialogue” for Argentina is that the government gives the Argentine population the impression that, following such discussions, the Falkland Islands will suddenly become Argentine. Which is the bit where you malvinistas fall apart, because you don't really understand that a discussion is a three-sided thing and that, even if such discussions really did happen (unlikely, if your people keep failing to turn up, see Timerman 2013) the Islands would continue to be British, because that is what the Islanders want (self-determining their own future).
I actually have an education, myself. What about you? Where were you educated?
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/08/29/falklands-mlas-confident-they-can-educate-uk-politicians-who-have-swallowed-the-argentine-story#comment412620: You seem to be incapable of understanding the situation. Argentina will not have the capability of seizing the Malvinas within the next 25 years. Never the less the UK will return the islands within that period.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0#74
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never the less the UK will return the islands within that period.
Why ? Please explain without your usual vague and woolly generalities.
For a start, they cannot be returned as that implies a previous sovereignty that Argentina never had.
I have no idea what Argentina's military potential will be in 25 years and neither do you. It could be another military dictatorship or Argentina could implode into warring factions.
In 25 years the Falklands could have been given independence with a guarantee of military support from the UK. Chew on that scenario !
@74 Hepatia,
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0And you seem incapable of logical thinking & common sense.
l would also question your level of intelligence as you seem not to be able to progress from forecasting some ludicrous event that supposed to happen “within the next 25 years”.
You can move forwards if you really try, you know.
Can't you?
@68
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ they refuse to do it, after 32 years of uninterrupted democracy in Argentina.”
?
Hague offered Timerman dialogue over the Falklands in 2013, but Timerman didn't turn up.
Britain did not refuse dialogue-Argentina refused dialogue.
“is based on the arguable argument which says that the islanders have right to self determination,”
?
In 2008 the Argentines and Spanish put to the UN that self determination was not relevant to territorial disputes and the UN voted AGAINST this.
You should read some of Terence Hill's posts, where he provides evidence for self determination being applicable in all cases and you provide....no evidencefor your view.
@68
“in 1968, 1974, and in 1980, Britain had the politic will of discussing with our country about the conflict,”
Yes, but AGAIN-none of the proposals were acceptable to the people who were BORN on and who LIVED on the Islands. The UK as the former colonial power according to the C24's mandate could not transfer the Islanders AGAINST THEIR WILL-i.e U.N resolution 2065.
Also-Falkland Islanders were allowed to be present at some of those pre-1982 talks, remember?
“Reaffirming the need for the parties to take due account of the interests
of the population of the Falkland Islands.”
If you do not agree with the FALKLAND ISLANDER'S view of what THEIR interests are, AGAIN I CHALLENGE YOU:
What do you think the Islander's interests are????????????????
How can Argentina keep bleating about 2065 if they have NO IDEA of what the Falkland Islander's interests are???
“Invites the government of Argentina and the UK to proceed
without delay with negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the situation with regard to the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples”
How can being taken over by peronists be Granting the Islander's independence?'
José Malvinero
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no planes , no ships , just how are you going to get them,
Don't confuse them with logic & common sense, Briton.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0José Malvinero is a blithering idiot.
And brainwashed..
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@71
Sep 05th, 2015 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“FEELING STRONGER THAN EVER”
So when your Fighting Hawk fleet disintegrates and more ships rust, you will feel stronger?
OK. we feel strong because we have T45s Astute Class submarines and Eurofighters, plus Flaads/meteor coming into service.
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