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Malvinas Argentine veterans demand justice of abuse suffered at the hands of their officers
Argentine Veterans from the 1982 Malvinas war will continue to voice their condemnation of abuse suffered at the hands of their superior officers as a legal team reiterate their demands for recognition and justice before federal courts in Río Grande on Monday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesOur servicemen were insulted and offended multiple times:
Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, when they were requested to fight an unnecessary war. Argentina was not under any threat from the UK in 1982.
Secondly, when they were asked to fight a baseless war that proved not to be of our national interest.
Thirdly, when they were sent without basic training, with poor equipment, with poor supplies, lacking of any reasonable plans to bear a fight in the south.
Fourthly, for being put under the command of ruthless, incompetent officers who were not able at all to fight a modern war but were trained to kidnap, torture and vanish stupid teens who pretended to be terrorists (actual terrorists either run away or sold their friends). Officer who had no remorse at all to mistreat their own troops. It is not a lie to say that many of our boys were way better treated by the Brits once they became pows.
Fifthly, when they were hided after they returned once the war was over.
Sixthly, by granting veteran status to people who saw no combat at all.
And lastly, when the filthy kirchnerite gov uses them to fuel its absurd, fake nationalists agenda (just for domestic diversion)
Our veterans paid the higher price. They deserve respect and recognition, not this circus.
An honest and logical Argentinian!
Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0At 1;
Sep 01st, 2015 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that puts it rather well!
@1
Sep 01st, 2015 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fair and reasonable assessment.
And correct,Your veterans will never get closure until Arg drops this absurd claim.It actually sullies the memory of your fallen.
(1) SebaSvtz
Sep 01st, 2015 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My young compatriot....
I agree with most of your points......... but...
Are you aware that in the Argentina of the seventies, a comment like yours would have amply qualified you to be categorized as an “Stupid teen who pretends to be terrorist” with the subsequent “kidnap, torture and vanish” treatment....... as you yourself so nicely put it?
Are you aware that in today's Argentina you are completely free to write such comments... only risking some old geezer like me asking you to...:
1) Educate yourself to be a better citizen of our Country and...
2) Think twice before mentioning so lightly those “ Stupid teens who pretended to be terrorists”... Many of your current rights are based on their sacrifice...
@Seba
Sep 01st, 2015 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well put. A circus indeed.
@Think
Perhaps he meant “foolish” rather than “stupid”.
“Many of your current rights are based on their sacrifice...”
Whose, the unfortunate “terrorists”, the unfortunate conscripts, or both?
@1 SebaSvtz
Sep 01st, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There must be many more Argentinos like you. Is it possible for you all to gather and save your “patria” from ignominy?
The United Kingdom is not your enemy - peronismo is your enemy!
Malvinas Argentine veterans don't exist! After all, the only known “Malvinas” is in Cordoba. The Falkland Islanders don't exist. Therefore the Falkland Islands don't exist. Why did argieland have a war inside Cordoba? No wonder argies didn't comply with UNSC resolution 502. Any supposed Malvinas Argentine veterans should still be alive. So they are war criminals. Isn't responsibility a wonderful thing? Any “Malvinas Argentine war veteran”proves that argieland was responsible for the war. Shall we start calculating the amount of reparations? Hand the war criminals over to the UK for execution.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 5 LUNATIC
Sep 01st, 2015 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Are you aware that in today's Argentina you are completely free to write such comments... only risking some old geezer like me asking you to...:”
I don't think Nisman would see it that way were he still alive.
I still remember you claiming superior forensic techniques on the part of the government except it was all bullshit what you were being told and YOU, as usual, swallowed it.
The equipment used is antiquated compared with first world laboratories, was not calibrated correctly and even if it were it was incapable of determining a result to the required accuracy given the small sample size.
And who claimed this? The Head of the Association of Analytical Laboratories (but expressed in jibber-jabber) that's who.
Try reading the facts or keep eating the turnips.
Think..”My young compatriot” - you slimeball, which one do you sound like - Saville? Keep well clear of this creep. Slither into the nearest ditch where you belong. You can say anything in Dunoon Think, even take pictures of RN submarines. But, the security services have their eye on you..
Sep 01st, 2015 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
@5 arse hole.
Sep 01st, 2015 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 01 SebaSvtz
Sep 01st, 2015 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good post and point of view,
but you still have some way to go, to persuade the Old Guard like at number 5 who still live in the old world,
one day the argy government may well change and leave the Falkland's alone to live in peace, and look after its veterans,
you never know..
If it's correct that the Argentine soldiers in the Falkland War were ill trained and equipped conscripts, the majority of whom were from subtropical areas like “Mesopotámia” (Entre Ríos, Corrientes and Misiones), i.e. heat loving flatlanders who were not accustumed to the rocks, the cold and the rain/snow on the Falkland Islands, I cannot but wonder if the military dictators hadn't planned to loose the war - or was it an example of admirable, first rate, award winning incompetence?
Sep 01st, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Junta didn't expect the British to fight.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0A history book for school children should have been enough to work out that we always fight.
I suspect that we River Plate South Americans have been training our military officers miserably for generations. Both the Argentine and Uruguayan armed forces were called out to deal with left-wing terrorist gangs, but then took over the government they were supposed to be defending and applied the third degreee to their compatriots. In addition the Argentines mistreated their own tropos before, during and after the Falklands conflicto. Who trained these military officers? The US,obviously. I think we should look to the UK for military training, not to the richest military in the world that has nevertheless not won a war since 1946.
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 015
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you mean 1846....
I think we should look to the UK for military training, ,
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we would just end up training you to fight us better,
untill Argentina grows up and leave the falklands to live in peace,
you will just have to put up with the american training..
just a standing thought.
Voice @ 15
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, according to Hollywood and what most Americans believe, the US won WW2 with some very minor cooperation from the British Empire, Soviets, etc.
the blind leading the blind, yet the one-eyed man is king, eh Nestor?
Sep 02nd, 2015 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.eluniverso.com/vida-estilo/2015/09/03/nota/5100935/nunca-mas-guerra-dice-papa-pide-fin-conflictos
Sep 03rd, 2015 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thought you might be interested!
@15 ysere
Sep 05th, 2015 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, US training meant that the Argentines assumed the UK would attack Stanley direct, rather than land troops 70 miles away.
@ 15 ynsere
Sep 05th, 2015 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Both the Argentine and Uruguayan armed forces were called out to deal with left-wing terrorist gangs, but then took over the government they were supposed to be defending and applied the third degree to their compatriots.”
Admittedly only from Wikipedia, but it aligns with what my Uruguayo friends have told me:
“The new Uruguayan president, Juan Maria Bordaberry, suspended civil liberties and declared a state of internal war with the Tupamaros in April 1972. The Army, which until this point had been playing only a supporting role to the Police and Metropolitan Guards in the counterinsurgency, was ordered into action. They relied on mass arrests, torture, and large cordon-and- search operations. These saturation tactics captured most of the guerrillas and forced the remainder to flee the country. By November 1972 the Tupamaros had ceased to be a threat to Uruguay.
The government had won, but only at the cost of destroying democracy in Uruguay and alienating large sections of the population. The Army, which in ten years had gone from consuming 1% of the national budget to over 26%, was not about to go meekly back to barracks. In their view, they had just cleared up the politician¹s mess,¹ and were not going to let it happen again. The military leadership pressured President Bordaberry to maintain the declared state of internal war. By mid-1973 all left-wing political activity had been suppressed and the national legislature indefinitely dissolved. Uruguay, once the most tolerant and democratic country in South America had become another garrison state. This was the only permanent legacy of the Tupamaros, although they had advanced further and offered a more serious challenge to established power than any other urban guerrilla movement.”
A real disaster mishandled from the start by the government. The answer was strong arm tactics in response to deadly force by an illegal overturning of an elected government. Obvious really.
Chris @ 22
Sep 05th, 2015 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps I'm a bit too starry-eyed about the UK armed forces, but I sincerely believe that British-trained Uruguayan officers would have returned to their barracks and continued life as usual after their victory over the internal enemy.
Uruguayan officers envied the US forces for their money and tech resources, but did not admire them for their professional skills.
Of course, “life as usual” involves arguments with the treasury. This is true of all democratic countries.
Does every army take over its own government on the merits of a victory in the field? Heck, no!
If you watched the debate on telly between former Tupa Amodio Pérez and left-wing journalist and millionaire-entrepreneur Fedrico Fassano, you will be well aware of how evil these creeps and certain army offers were. I know “evil” is an unfashionable word, but it certainly fits in this case.
@ 23 ynsere
Sep 05th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What amazed me was the passive approval of a large section of the Uruguayo people gave to these thugs in the early days, almost a wait and see if they can move things in our direction.
Then the Tupas showed their real colours and started killing people but by then it was too late and the genie was out of the bottle, never to be put back without really strong, armed action.
I have to admit to a degree of sympathy with the military. The incumbent 'president' had proven how ineffectual all the government was in dealing with the Tupas scum. If you had been the senior officer would you have given it back to them to break again? I think I would have required systematic change to the governance of the country to ensure as far as possible there were no other insurgent attempts.
The result is only too apparent. A bunch of commies holding sway on the rest of the elected fractional parties brought into power due to the brokering of various little gems for each of them via The Broad Fraud.
Just look where that is getting us with the VP who couldn't say where the U$D300M went when he was in charge of ANCAP and if something does happen to Vasquez he will be the president.
So some people would say the Tupas won, there were enough of them in government under 'No Money Pepe', himself a murdering commie bastard and the ideal role model for impressionable youngsters, not.
Uruguay, lovely country with a lot of very nice people in it, just a shame the stinking poor have a death hold on the election results via the hand-outs for nothing that Pepe brought forward.
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