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Don't Be Fooled by Dialogue -- Argentina Only Wants One Answer to 'the Falklands Question'
By Jan Cheek (*) (*) - On Friday 4th, Ms Cecilia Nahón, Argentina Ambassador to the United States, wrote an article for the Huffington Post, titled 'Malvinas: All Argentina Is Saying Is Give Dialogue A Chance.' Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis statement is succinct and entirely appropriate - not one single word can be challenged by Argentina.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo, Jan Cheek!
“Argentina's disingenuous call for dialogue is in reality a call to colonise our country, seize our natural resources and deny our right to self-determination.”
Sep 09th, 2015 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Undisputably true, especially since Argentina refuses any outcome that is fair to all parties, since none of them will result in them getting the Falklands.
Self-Determination rules:
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://www.academia.edu/11325329/Falklands_-_Self-Determination_single_page_
Fair and reasonable take-down,rebuttal and dissection from MLA Cheek.To even draw comparisons between the US and Cuba was facile and showed a true weakness of cause. Perhaps, in future, Amb.Nahon will concentrate more closely on her day job.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt Amb. Ms Cecilia Nahón has much else to do in D.C. Isolationist ideals at home means you don't get invited to much.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0The politicians and ambassadors representing Argentina always come off as severely deficient when you read replies like this.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Amb. Nahón is a SHAME in all senses.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No trolls so far!
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Madame Nahón should do something useful, like take up cookery classes or flower arranging & leave the running of our lslands to us, the rightful owners.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0She is clearly out of her depth in speaking the truth.
@ 8 Mendoza,
Bravo indeed.
She has shown herself to be a liar as well as an idiot.
Well done, we need more ratbags like her, showing up Argentina's lies.
“The Government of Argentine has spent the past year attempting to broker deals for fighter aircraft from Spain, Sweden, Israel, Russia and China to bolster its own forces”???...Argentina will retire from service the Mirages so, no supersonic interceptor will be in service by January 2016. It is clear that this material will have to be replace by something soon. It is not related to the Islands at all.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Don't Be Fooled by Dialogue”? Ms. Jan Cheek, it is ok if no dialoue is what you want. But as to all “hard-liner” I really desire that if there is a new conflict (I really hope it won't) your son, or your relatives, were in the fron line to be the first casualties (instead of poor british young people).
In addition, Jan Cheek, remember his: “Taxes are mandatory but donations are voluntary”. I will wait to see how you sell all of your properties to help british taxpayers with the maintenance of the garrison, plus four typhoons, plus the RN ships.....pay for the defense with money from your own pocket !!!!
If the occupiers get boats germany will home them.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AH!
Sep 09th, 2015 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The truth hurts the trolls as it always will.
We have the edifying spectacle of the Kraut living in Canada is it, worrying about taxes the British have to pay. He has already been told that the British would rather pay to keep the Falklands British (apart from the one 'wealthy' commentator on here) than give them to the EU. But still he lies.
The other one continues with the gibberish, obviously brought about by only learning to speak Jibber-Jabber.
So well done Jan Cheek, excellent article.
@Pgerman
Sep 09th, 2015 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why would there be “a new conflict”?
Provided Argentina doesn't start one then there won't ever be one.
As for the UK tax-payer, the defense of the FIs is a tiny portion of our overall budget. In fact for every pound we spend defending the FIs we spend more than £100 on overseas aid. So if we are happy to help non-British people in need then why do you think we would be unhappy to help the FIs?
The statement is not “hard-line” at all but simply points out that Argentina demands negotiations but then doesn't show up when they are granted them. You can't keep demanding something that you have been repeatedly offered and still get taken seriously. Why shouldn't the elected representative of the FIs people call the Ambassador out on this?
Pgerman, the Falkland Islanders ARE British.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is that such a difficult concept for Argentineans?
Yuleno, the Islanders have boats, have property, have decent incomes, their is no crime, no polution, no noise, no Cartoneros, no Villas and so they are perfectly happy where they are. Why go elsewhere?
Sep 09th, 2015 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they wanted to be an asylum they could always go to Argentina, its an asylum run by morons :-)
@11 pgerman
Sep 09th, 2015 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Señor Germán - we British citizens are quite happy with the status of the finance of the Falkland Islands economy. By far the great majority of British citizens has no problem with bearing the cost of the defence of British territory in the South Atlantic in the event of attack from any source.
As far as dialogue is concerned Timerman rejected it when William Hague, the Minister of Foreign Affairs at the time, offered it in London in 2012 - why? Perhaps you can tell us why?
@11. And why would argieland need supersonic combat aircraft? “Surrounded” as it is by belligerent, war mongering countries such as Uruguay, Brazil, Paraguay, Bolivia and Chile? All of whom supposedly “support” TDC.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's right. No “dialogue” except on terms specified by the Falkland Islands. British “people” have died for the freedom of the people of the Falkland Islands. Something for which scum-sucking argieland has never apologised or paid reparations. Come now, WE can be reasonable. £1 million for each of the 255 British servicemen killed. Another £1 million for each of the Falkland Islanders killed as a result of argie war crimes. Then, let's say £500,000 for each of the 775 wounded. Plus £50 million for minefield clearance. Plus 5% per annum compound interest. Problem?
This point has been made many times. British Army troops, Royal Air Force aircraft and personnel, Royal Navy vessels and personnel would have to be paid for wherever they were. The passive defence of the Falkland Islands only costs 0.3% of Britain's defence budget. Constitutionally and legally, the defence of the Falkland Islands is the responsibility of Britain. As a British tax-paying pensioner, I have no problem with this. Could we be asked to increase our contribution? Ten times as much? Twenty times as much? Fifty times as much? I don't have a problem. Does the Falkland Islands need 12,000 troops, 40 Typhoon aircraft, 10 destroyers/frigates? No problem. I'll pay my share of that. Make no mistake. If there is a “new conflict” argieland will suffer. The people of Britain will demand it.
@12. Whatever your comment means! Never mind. By air and sea, Britain can destroy Germany anytime. Done it before!
17. William Hague was the Secretary of State for Foreign & Commonwealth Affairs. Not a mere “Minister”.
@11
Sep 09th, 2015 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The German Government should be more concerned by the influx of Islamic State refugees than you worrying about the Falkland Islands, how many is germany taking about 800,000 this year alone, they must be crazy.
It s a very good articule and allows me to have a different view of this problem . In fact I read british version and I found some inconsistence in comparisson with arg version. Probably , Rosas ( arg governm at 1833) signed a document as Ms Cheek said. take into account that Rosas finally lived in southampton his last 20 years. During 1880 1930 Arg & UK have and exellent relationships , and we must recognize to UK that help us to improve our infraestructure.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact I recognize to UK a real example of self determination when allowed scotland to vote its referendum in peace without bullyng
In my opinion we need a third party perhaps La Haya , in orden to say that this disputy is over . Several countries have borders diff and work together to solve this,
Self determination is one of the human rights at XXI cent. In my opinion , borders diff are the exclusion zone and their projection over Antartic zone
@20
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am sure you know what you are talking about but in English it does not make sense. Who or what is La Haya no such thing in English.
21 . Sorry I try to improve mi english. La Haya , its means The Hague International Court in Netherlands
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps we could get the Flowerpot Men to have a word with the Argies, it would make perfect sense? There is no dispute as far as the Islanders are concerned, just constant political posturing and intimidation by a bullying neighbour.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We all of us must be worried about getting thousand of muslims at home. Basically, due to their lack of concept of a secular government as Western people have.
@20
You might be right but I have been in Hong Kong and, being there, I thought that both, the UK and Argentina, will use some of the ideas applied there to find a fair solution.
It doesn't have to be 100% of the islands for “one side” or “for another”. There are lots of options in the middle that must be explored to find a fair, and lasting, solution.
@22
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for that. The problem is that Argentina will NOT go to La Haya as they ( La Haya ) have no right to overturn the Right of Self-determination and in any case Argentina does NOT have a legal argument as regards Sovereignty.
A perfectly lucid and powerful exposition of the Falkland Islands' legality. Brilliant. But Corruptina Kirchner will be incapable of reading it. She will refuse to, closing her eyes to the truth because she has to use the “global cause” (you have to laugh) of the Falklands to shore up her failed, bankrupt, cowardly regime. She relies on the delusion and dementia of her claim to the Falklands to distract her people from their poverty and deprivation and to hide her criminality and corruption. Increasingly, though, they are seeing through her sham and charade. She can't fool all of the people all of the time.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0&24 pgerman
Sep 09th, 2015 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hong Kong is not same : It was rent by UK , for 99 years to China . It was a different status . So in 1997 returned to China
&25
I understand your possition , but in the future an arg president needs a third party to refuse to Argentina , argent arguments, is impossible to face arg population without this.
Nice letter - Go the Falklands! Forever.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@27
Sep 09th, 2015 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have never mentioned that both, HK and FI are the very same situation, but we can use the solutions found to solve the HK dilema to inspire new ones in the FI issue.
In addition, to solve the dispute over the Beagle with Chile a democratic government organized a referendum. There were lots of different opinions but finally a reasonable solution was solved (even with the opposition of the population of Tierra del Fuego).
I see the Islanders got some balmy comfort from Jan Cheek, Chair of the Legislative Assembly of the Falkland Islands's letter reaffirming the will to keep the Islas Malvinas in their current status.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt Cheek's letter will help create some sense of stability to the islanders, after the stress caused by Amb. Cecilia Nahón's previous letter.
No wish to upset the islanders who are caught up in an less-than-satisfactory situation.
However, realistically, Argentina will continue to build up consensus in international forums for as long as it takes, as it believes it has jurisdiction over the islands.
I agree with German at #24: there must be arrangements other than 100 per cent Argentine sovereignty that will probably be explored once negotiations open.
Diefra, I am beginning to see what you are saying..negotiation..mutual respect..trading possessions until each party is satisfied.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But, it cant be all one way, we British should have something in return for any Argentine involvement in the Falklands. The British built your railways, banks, agriculture and beef production in the Pampas. Many British companies were stolen when Peron nationalised them. So, we should be compensated for that. And finally we would like compensation for the Junta led invasion of our island home. Reparations for the cost of sending our armed forces, the ships, aircraft and lives lost. Compensation for clearing the mines. After all, the invasion was illegal and resulted in a binding UN resolution that Argentinas forces should quit the islands which you ignored. And then there is the past and ongoing cost of keeping our forces on the islands to resist another invasion.
If all these things can be put on the table and Argentina negotiates in good faith perhaps we can halt your blockade and intimidation and start to become friends once again?
@30 It will never happen. Nothing has changed and nothing will change.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 031 The voice :
Sep 09th, 2015 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How many times UK compesated to the countries that invaded in past ? Irak , India etc.
I m absolutely refused about argentine invasion at 82 .
Peron nationalised brits company , I guess railways 2 o 3 years before return to Arg free . Of course this situation is wrong
If you say that Falkanders should be compasated is ok . Each part should claim in a court all the demands in order to solve the problems.
@29 pgerman
Sep 09th, 2015 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“In addition, to solve the dispute over the Beagle with Chile a democratic government organized a referendum. There were lots of different opinions but finally a reasonable solution was solved (even with the opposition of the population of Tierra del Fuego”
The RGs were told to stop trying to steal other peoples stuff.... didn't stop them wanting to have another go after they had stolen the Falklands...
Thieving is in their genes
Argentina’s great delusion, that it has any kind of legitimate claim to the Falklands, which goes hand in hand with Argentina’s great illusion, that the world cares a gaucho's fart for its laughable fantasy. If its claim has the slightest merit, why doesn't it go to the International Court, like the Philippines are doing with China in their dispute over islands? Kirchner and her cronies won't take the legal route because they know their claim is a joke.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@31
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The British built your railways, banks, agriculture and beef production in the Pampas. Many British companies were stolen when Peron nationalised them”??
There are some historical mistake from your side. The argentine railways were built during the first presidency of J. A. Roca (some with national capital and others with private capital). Agriculture and beef production had their boost due to the Triple Alianza War when brazilian troops had to be feed. In addition, it is said, that Peron made the country make a very bad bussines since the british investors really wanted to get rid of them. Anyway, I do agree with you that the partnership between the UK and Argentina was good for both sides. This should led, both of us, to understand that it might be better to make new partnerships again.
Good to read the more reasonable Argentine posters.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the Trolls Storm Shadow missile stocks(300 miles range 2000lb warhead) are about 800.
Tomohawk missiles (1200miles,1000lb warhead)stocks 120+.
A type 45 destroyer could take out your airforce and have 15 Sea Vipers left over.
@30
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0According to the Arg constitution, the Arg absolute sovereignty over the Falkland Islands is not negotiable. So it is unclear to me what they are offering to negotiate. Perhaps this is why Arg politicians and diplomats refuse to sit down and negotiate - they have nothing to offer except absolute demands..
Instead of financial compensation for Britain and the Falklanders I was thinking of joint sovereignty over Patagonia and Chubut. That would be a fair solution. You partly colonise us and what is presently administered and taxed by your government would in future be partly administered and taxed by the British. Joint colonisation. After all, the British founded Ushuaia and opened up that part of South America.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@39 The Voice
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A fine display and use of Argentine logic-as they claim to have briefly have had control of the Islands (a total of 6 months), lets total up the years Ushuaia was a British settlement and how long Falkland Islanders settled in Santa Cruz before Argentines showed up.
Britain could apply Argentina's logic and then there could be the shared sovereignty that you suggest.
As there are few Argentines that actually want to live in the Islands, due to a fear of dying without being near a CT scanner, this could work out well.
Pete, yes, I am applying Argentinian logic to the situation. They cannot expect us to just give up the Falklands there has to be a fair share for all parties. They can have some territory on East Falkland and the outer islands to farm and we get a nice chunk of some Estancias. After all they were named after our Australian sheep stations. Estancia is a sort of Jibber Jabber translation.
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very soon Argentina will become a non military entity,
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so sod them all,
let the babys cry, sood she will be gone and forgotton
end of.
Enrique Massot - Where do you get this idea from that we Islanders get all worked up, worried and scared everytime an Arg diplomat or president splutters about Sovereignty?
Sep 09th, 2015 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We smile- and laugh - and get on with normal day-to-day life as they are all 100% irrelevant to our life and future., and we wonder how many days will it be until the next utterance of verbal trash.
Diefra - you are getting there and thinking openly - good for you. I and probabaly all Islanders totally refute the Arg Claim and dispute any claim to any legality of it as claimed by Argentina - but - yes I personally feel one day we will have to get rid of it/solve it - because much as we may wish - it is not going to totally go away as would probably be fatal to any Arg President who announced they were dropping the claim!
But that day is many many years away yet and for a start will need a couple of decades at least of a new approach from Argentina to try and undo all the harm the Kirschner attitude has done in the last 13 years to relations between us.
That day - a long way off yet - could perhaps be in a way of UK withdrawing-Arg simultaneously recognising the Islanders rights of self determination and recognising our existence as a small but Independent Nation, within the British Commonwealth. Thus perhaps removing the “British or Old European Power” prescence in the area - as this seems to such a big “bug” for many Argentines.
But even if this ever happens - it is along long way off - Argentina has a mountain to climb first to just start to get trust and respect back.
All on here - or most of us anyway - will all be long dead first.
GREAT BRITAIN
Sep 09th, 2015 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The one and only great nation on earth,
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Lets make no mistake, Great Britain is great, the clue is in the name after all.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously uneducated, or French.
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http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/01/sdsr-2015-great-britains-place-world/great-britain/
Without Great Britain the world would be a poorer place in every regard.
Lets just remind ourselves why…
We gave the world democracy, common law, the Bailey Bridge, tanks, gravity, the worlds most common second language, Led Zeppelin, fair play, queuing, the backhoe loader, metal bridges, modern economics, the industrial revolution and Hollywood villains.
The Beatles, Morris Dancing, penicillin, HP sauce, Top Gear, the World Wide Web (your welcome), One Direction, Carry On and Simon Cowell
=
invented the railway, sarcasm, MRI scanners, the screw propellor and a proper breakfast, been on the right side of the Napoleonic, First, Second and Cold War and gave the world steam power, the Mexeflote, Wallace and Gromit, roast beef dinners, the Dyson, Doctor Who, television, telephones, text messaging, GMT, electric motors, lawn mowers, spotted dick, sewage systems, the thermos flask, the jet engine, carbon fibre, the flushing toilet and polyester (just for the RAF), pencils, radar and the Bank of France (ha ha ha).
The correct method of holding an umbrella
The fighter aircraft, battleship, aircraft carrier, stun grenades, drill that doesn’t look ridiculous, the Pub Landlord, proper salutes, the torpedo, sonar, underwater knife fighters, the armoured vehicle boiling vessel (for the tea), Paralympic Games, independent air forces (yep, sorry about that one), the equal sign and gin and tonic
Go on read the article………
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And what has Argentina given the world
A Bloody Headache
Islander 1 : Thanks for your comment, . CFK uses Falkland in her spechees only for get more votes. I haven t got words in English & Spanish to qualifiy our government. I light a candle that next government don t be peronist. And of course our next gov try to improve our relantionship, better than menem when sent to you Winnie the pooh bear, this sucess should be published in our History books (irony)
Sep 09th, 2015 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress, when will you publish about syrian refugges situation?
45 diefra
Sep 09th, 2015 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wishing the best for your country - that will be better for everyone.
@44 Briton
Sep 10th, 2015 - 05:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Severely OTT but we get the message!
@44
Sep 10th, 2015 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bloody Brilliant and Argentina gave us a “ pain in the arse ”
“The right of self-determination of all peoples in enshrined in the United Nations Charter, and safeguards the inalienable right to determine one's own political future, and any allegiances therein. ”
Sep 10th, 2015 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0An excellent riposte from MLA Cheek. Why do Argentines sound so disingenuous and pathetic when they call for ‘dialogue’ over the Falklands? It is because, deep down, they know that they don’t have a legal or moral leg to stand on and that they are trying to build a case based on a house of straw.
Until Argentina amends it constitution by dropping its fraudulent claims to the Falklands, stops trying to bully and persecute the Islanders (notice how even the trolls adopt a more intimidating posture when they answer Islander posts on MP), and starts behaving like a civilised country, it is not entitled to any sort of offensive capability. That is why the Mirages will be paid off with no replacement in the offing. And nor should there be!
@44 Briton,
Sep 10th, 2015 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think that the Swedes invented the screw propeller, but the rest is spot on.
And Radar, and threaded bolts, lathes, milling machines, spinning jenny, machine tools, parsons steam turbine, book-binding machines, jointly invented nylon(ny=new york, lon=london), steam catapault(on aircraft carriers)
That will do for now.
Cheers
The ants under my patio are claiming a right to Self Determination, they are claiming they have a right of abode based on the fact that they have existed there for generations...
Sep 10th, 2015 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm going to have to remind them that it is MY Patio...!!!
@52 Voice
Sep 10th, 2015 - 01:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Replace ants with native Amerindian and you sound like a typical malvinista.
52
Sep 10th, 2015 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm open to negotiations with them...
They told me that originally they set up base camp on the Isle of Wight, then when they opportunity arose they claimed the whole of the UK....
I told them...but it had already been claimed, but they are adam_ant that the patio is theirs....
What can I say....
51 voice troll
Sep 10th, 2015 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ants, Amerindians, Falklanders... all non-humans, right?
Nope just Ants....Antology...
Sep 10th, 2015 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 055 voice troll
Sep 10th, 2015 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, your post @51 is arrant nonsense and completely irrelevant.
Do you just like to hear yourself talk?
wee idjit
@55 Voice
Sep 10th, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it was you that built your patio over their homes.
In other words you stole their land. Just like you did with the Amerindians, and just like you want to do with the Falklands.
Only the Falklands are protected by the British, so you'll just have to keep on crying...and begging...and embarrassing yourselves.
In the meantime the Falklands as British. They were British 200 years ago. They were British yesterday. They are British today, and they'll be British tomorrow.
They'll even still be British in 25 years time.
Is it...?
Sep 10th, 2015 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd best correct the obvious misspelling ....for the dumb to understand...Analogy....
jeez....
@58 Voice
Sep 10th, 2015 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turn up the Dukebox, and do us all a favour........
58 wee man
Sep 10th, 2015 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you are saying the Falklanders and Amerindians are humans, then your analogy does not apply and is irrelevant.
I'll put your inane post to a desperate plea for attention.
Can Spain reclaim Argentina back, and end this sharard.
Sep 10th, 2015 - 06:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 059
Sep 10th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That music's lost its taste. So try another flavour....
60
Zip it...and back to school for you...
Analogy...a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump....it matters little that one is an organ and the other a machine....
ps...nothing to do with you...Canadian...
Keep your neb out...
zip it good....
62 wee troll
Sep 10th, 2015 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Precisely my point, your analogy is completely flawed - Falklanders are not ants, they are people, despite the attempts by Argentina and her Trolls to render them as non-humans, in order to legitimize their campaign ignore their rights and steal their homes and livelihood.
“ps...nothing to do with you...Canadian...
Keep your neb out...
zip it good....”
LOL, what does it have to do with you, disembodied “voice” which will not say it is British, but may be Argentine... ?
Sorry, impotent miserable Troll, it's not up to you as to who may comment - open to everyone.
Amusing that you are consistently unable to support your prejudices.
Get a life.
:-) laughing at you.
He's not getting it is he...
Sep 10th, 2015 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0oh dear...
64
Sep 10th, 2015 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stop boring everyone.
Voice...Were they were there before you built your patio or bought your house, that is the only important question. They would therefore have a prior claim to the land that you are trying to steal off them. But hold on, for your analogy to work, Argentina would have have had sovereignty of the Falklands at some point without any prior claims. Otherwise your analogy is flawed.
Sep 10th, 2015 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should have ant-icipated that really shouldn't you.
I have a better one.
I own a house and while I go away on holiday, my neighbour decides to take part of my garden, I come back and take it back. He then tries to fight me for it and I beat him quite easily because I punched him on the nose and he retreated to this house. He still moans every day over the fence and tries to get all my neighbours to gang up against me because they all go to his corner shop. I apply for planning to build an extension, but he moans at the local council that he owns the land and I shouldn't be allowed to build anything on his land, the council tell him to 'do one' and 'shut up'. I carry on as normal and do what I want, while he goes bankrupt because he is shit a business and refused to pay his mortgage.
There that is a better analogy.
66 Buzz
Sep 10th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0gosh, I could swear that “wee voice” is an Argy, or “Think”, a bitter exile.
what a curmudgeonly old loser
:-D
Crazy British and Argentinians taking their argument to the pages of HP will change nothing. The fact is that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 11th, 2015 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 068 hepatitis
Sep 11th, 2015 - 05:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0....relentlessly boring.
Argentina will belong to China within 25 years
Argentina, pay your debts
Justice for Nisman!!!
@68:
Sep 11th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The fact is that the UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.”
Again with this lie. We can't *return* it, because it belongs to us, morally and legally. What you want is Britain to *surrender* the Falklands.
If you're going to repeat that crap instead of attempting honest discussion, at least use the correct terminoloogy.
On topic:
Argentina calls for dialogue, but has never attempted to negotiate in good faith.
They added their fake claim to their constitution, to force any negotiation to result in them gaining sovereignty, and have insistes on such an outcome as a prerequisite of any negotiations.
It's not hard to see why that's unreasonable.
Furthermore, despite it pretty much being required that the interests of the legitimate inhabitants of the Falklands be taken into account, Argentina has refused them the ability to represent their interests, even running from a negotiation where Islanders would be present. Again, not hard to see as unreasonable.
The fairest solution to this dispute would be for both nations to agree unconditionally to ICJ arbitration, with an unbreakable agreement to abide by the court's decision.
Such an agreement is made necessary by Argentina's illegal declaration of the Beagle Channel resolution as “null and void” following the ruling against them.
Of course, the fairest solution for all parties would be for Argentina to admit their claim has been fake all along and drop it (quite literally “for good”), but they have spent so much time and money lying to multiple generations of children that such an outcome is unlikely, or would lead to one hell of a political unrest.
@70 CKurze30k,
Sep 11th, 2015 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very well said, sir.
#50
Sep 11th, 2015 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0In 1835, two inventors in Britain, John Ericsson and Francis Pettit Smith, began working separately on the problem. Smith was first to take out a screw propeller patent on 31 May, while Ericsson, a gifted Swedish engineer then working in Britain, filed his patent six weeks later.
There was a BBC program some years back when they replicated the challenge between a paddle steamer and screw propelled vessel.
Trials with Smith's SS Archimedes led to the famous tug-of-war competition in 1845 between the screw-driven HMS Rattler and the paddle steamer HMS Alecto; the former pulling the latter backward at 2.5 knots (4.6 km/h).
@72 Clyde15,
Sep 11th, 2015 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks Clyde.
Knew there was a Swede involved somewhere. lol!
Listen to this conversation between Corruptina Kirchner, her pet dwarf and foreign minister, Hector Timerman, the comically named minister for Falklands affairs, Daniel Filmus, and the deeply depressed London envoy Alicia Castro:
Sep 11th, 2015 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Think of a number.”
“50?”
“No, less than that.”
“40?”
“No, no, less.”
“OK, 25.”
“Right, that’ll do. In 25 years our brave Argentine soldiers will be strutting down the streets of Port Stanley.”
This is one of the most laughable examples of self-delusion exhibited by the rag-bag of Peronists, fascists and extreme nationalists supporting the grotesque Kirchner, the supreme leader who is gradually destroying Argentina.
But why are they so lacking in confidence about their farcical claim to the Falklands? Why make it 25 years? Why not 25 days? Or 25 hours? They really do have little faith in their aspirations.
Never mind, they hope this self-delusion will help to hide the starvation and poverty that is crushing the poor Argentine people.
God help them, blessed Pope Francis.
(73) Isolde babykins... (and Mr. Mc Clyde15)
Sep 11th, 2015 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry to ruin your Anglo Supremacy Fantasy Party but....:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Ressel
Chuckle chuckle...
75 Think
Sep 11th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see your “Paul Cedron” puppet has fcuked off now - was that too much trouble?
Diminishing returns??
- made Argies look racist, bad-tempered and stupid?
Do you think “diefra” will do much better?
#75
Sep 11th, 2015 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK if you want to play silly buggers.......
coast-alive.eu/content/dunbar-lad-who-invented-ships-propeller OR should I go back to Archimedes ?
(77) Clyde15
Sep 11th, 2015 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you can see by this old Anglo book from 1858... even the Anglos knew back then that Francis Pettit Smith was nothing but a plagiarist...
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924030903458#page/n7/mode/2up
#78
Sep 11th, 2015 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you read the book from page 36 et seq it seems to be ascribed to a James Steadman of Irvine, Ayrshire.....about 12 miles N. of my home.
Like most inventions it probably is a culmination of many people's ideas as I said. The screw has been known for thousands of years. The application to propelling a ship relied on previous knowledge and someone making the leap of imagination to make it work.
What is your obsession with “Anglo Saxons” ? The British are not Anglo Saxons. They are a homogeneous people made up from waves of immigration from Europe and other continents.
Or is it that you just like using it as a pejorative term.
(79) Clye15
Sep 11th, 2015 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly..., I was only answered to your post (72) in which you, quite uncritically, tell that Pom Squatterette Isolde that “In 1835, two inventors in Britain, John Ericsson and Francis Pettit Smith, began working separately on the problem. Smith was first to take out a screw propeller patent on 31 May”...
...As anybody with any interest in the truth easily can Google, Josef Ressels screw propeller Austro-hungarian Imperial Patent of 1827 precedes Ericssons and Smiths Engrish patent with about eight full years...
Secondly, when I, quite despectively indeed, make use the term “Anglo”, I'm mostly referring to that loose diaspora of ignorant, haughty and brainwashed Engrish speaking populations of the world that, for some unfathomable reason, seem to Think that they are any better than other people...
Think,(aka Turnip-farmer-in-chief),
Sep 11th, 2015 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your information re the lnvention of the Screw Propeller.
l was almost thinking that you could be quite reasonable, then you had to spoil it all by your stupid follow on remarks.
l can see that you haven't changed-you are still a nasty old misogynist.
As for your closing remarks, you do have that partly right.……
We ARE better than a lot of people, including you.
Of course l feel superior to you because of my bloodline. lolz!
Yes, think(with a small “t”), did you get sick of playing “paulcedron's” filthy language?
He was amusing in a feral type of way.
You just cannot tell the truth, can you?
Your hatred of us knows no boundaries.
We have given the world much much more than your pathetic countries.
Stew, baby, stew & suck it up.
81 Isolde
Sep 11th, 2015 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nice summation
ThinkVoice is just a bitter old sh!t and dissembler - witness how his English fluency varies - right now, he is focused on trying to impress while at the same time nailing the “Anglos” with smarmy and clever (not) insults, and speaks well.
At other times, when he is role playing, he tries to dumb it down as he feels is appropriate for each character.
He did exactly that with his earlier Think/Cmdr. DoD repartee.
It's hard to fake “mistakes” consistently.
Paul's gone... let's see how “diefra” does. He already shows a wide variation in abilities from post to post.
Perhaps not so oddly, “voice” appears as bitter and misogynistic as “Think” and “Paul”
I don't understand that woman....it wasn't long ago that she stated, that she missed Mr.Think ....what a welcome her post appears to be...
Sep 11th, 2015 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Puppet Wannabe...with an English education my fluency never wavers....
and...I'm not a betting man, but I would wager that Mr.Think's English is somewhat superior to your Spanish....
By Ooo......ever so slight a margin....
Did I say slight....I meant a gulf or perhaps a chasm...
@83 “wee man”
Sep 12th, 2015 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0“and...I'm not a betting man, but I would wager that Mr.Think's English is somewhat superior to your Spanish...”
Umm, thats not really the point though is it - just a mealy-mouthed attempt by you to deflect us away from reviewing “Think's” subterfuge, of disguising his true identity by varying the English language skills of his various characters.
I quite agree, his English skills are very good.
I just said it @82 or are you too lazy to read that properly?
You actually corroborate what I said @82, you nitwit.
The Master Puppeteer, has excellent English and changes the perceived skill level of each puppet, to match their character.
@83 “wee man”
“with an English education my fluency never wavers...”
Precisely my point - yours stays constant - “Think” varies when the character forgets himself, as happened with your other puppet, “Paul Cedron”.
However, “Paul” was an easy throwaway character, with no background, just like “A_Voice” was intended to be, before you tried to be too clever.
“Dove Over Dover” had a professed affinity for Scotland, and very good English language skills, like you, but in a contrived contrast to “Think”.
Lo and behold, through a stupid blunder on “Think's” part (yours) it was then revealed that they were puppets of a common operator - one with excellent English, but a flawed personality.
Who matches that description?
Bitter old fool.
Where will you se
#80
Sep 12th, 2015 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So, have we established who “successfully” invented the marine propeller ?
It would appear that Mr. Steadman's work in this field, predates the patent of 1827 by Ressels. Patents have been awarded when it was not known that similar work has been carried out earlier OR by downright plagiarism.
If we take what is printed by Mr Nicol as true, then it would seem to fall to Mr.Steadman.
If you take the example of The Origin of Species by Darwin. Albert Wallace was working on the same theory....he coined the phrase natural selection.
Darwin printed his book first and so history credits him with the discovery.
Well, well, well...
Sep 12th, 2015 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We got a good interlocutor today...
Looking forward to seeing him at Number 10...
Requeterecontrachuckle chuckle :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
List of British innovations and discoveries
Sep 13th, 2015 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_innovations_and_discoveries
ah, arguments,arguments,
……………….
“Argentine innovations and discoveries” does not exist
Unless some of you very clever intelligent argis know of any great inventions..
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Briton @ 87
Sep 13th, 2015 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentines have produced a really great invention: the “Malvinas” tale. It's main use is rallying the ignorant when times are hard or the treasury is being raided. I don't think the Brits have ever come up with anything in this league!
Another Argentine invention is that the cellulose mill near Fray Bentos is polluting the River Uruguay.
By the way, I'm not a very clever intelligent Argie, just a common or garden Uruguayan.
@88 ynsere
Sep 13th, 2015 - 11:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you seen anything about the ICJ over the increased production 'pollution' of the mill yet, I haven't seen a thing in El Pais?
If the idiots do pursue it then they will lose again, but of course they will just ignore the decision and keep claiming their lies.
88
Sep 13th, 2015 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0...yeah you're right the Spanish of Buenos Aires didn't revolt against their colonial masters and declare Independence and then rightfully claim the land and islands that were under the administration of Buenos Aires at that time like Tierra del Fuego and the Falklands...
Yeah... there is no evidence at all that the Spanish governed Tierra del Fuego and the Falkland Islands from Buenos Aires....
It's all a myth....
(90) Voice
Sep 13th, 2015 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Yeah, that gigantic cellulose mill near Fray Bentos is not polluting the Uruguay river at all...
Yeah... there is no evidence at all that paper mills pollute...
It's all an Argie myth..
;-)))
Voice....It is easy to appointed a Governor remotely, whether you are in control of the area you are trying to govern from 1000 miles away is another matter. How much control did the UP have over Tierra del Fuego in 1800 for example. If you can't control the territory you claim , then appointing a governor is meaningless.
Sep 13th, 2015 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When was the first Argentine governor appointed to Tierra del Fuego?
88 ynsere
Sep 13th, 2015 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a common or garden Uruguayan.
Great, reply ,thanks.
90/91 AvoiceofThink
Sep 13th, 2015 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaah!! - the Pantomime Horse talks to itself again!!
Chris @ 89
Sep 14th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 01. No, nothing at all.
2. Yes, most probably.
Hello everybody haven't logged on for a while thought I'd just catch up.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any changes? Any progress at all in the Falklands issue?
Hmm...? Nothings changed? Nothing at all? Really?
So the Falklands are still proudly British and Argentina is still terribly, terribly sh*t?
...I guess all those words written, all that emotional effort invested by our Malvanista friends on this website over many years has achieved absolutely nothing. I guess it must feel pretty terrible to be so horribly impotent?
Never mind here' some pictures of some aircraft carriers to cheer you up.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/why-are-the-queen-elizabeth-class-carriers-so-big/
Maybe if you're nicer to the Falklanders in the future we could arrange for it to pay you a visit.
Maybe if your nastier to the Falklanders in the future we we could arrange for it to pay you a visit? :)
The islanders can take a massive amount of reassurance from the fact GCHQ knows more about Corruptina Kirchner and her cronies than they know about each other. You wouldn't believe what Britain's electronic whizzes have found in Kirchner's huge stock of designer handbags. Yuk! The islanders should also be aware that RAF's technicians, sitting nice and cosy in peaceful Lincolnshire, are quite capable of delivering an avalanche of deadly blows with their magnificent drones, if called on to do so. Apparently they would love to fire a nice surprise down Kirchner's cake hole.
Sep 15th, 2015 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK will be returning the Malvinas within the next 25 years.
Sep 16th, 2015 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 098
Sep 16th, 2015 - 07:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina - pay your debts!
JUSTICE FOR NISMAN!!
Argentina will belong to China long before 25 years!
#98
Sep 16th, 2015 - 08:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn..........
@98,
Sep 16th, 2015 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anything you say, Think.
98 Hepatia
Sep 16th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will return the Chaco it stole from Paraguay before anything changes in the Falklands. And when the Chaco is returned to its rightful owners, perhaps its starving people will get the food they deserve. To think that when the Qom aboriginal boy Oscar Sanchez died in the Chaco last week at the age of 14, he weighed 11 kilos. Shame, shame, shame on the corrupt, criminal, bankrupt, murderous Kirchner regime which allows children to starve to death. But, let's face facts, Corruptina is so ignorant and callous she has no concept of shame.
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