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Gibraltar: Elizabeth “our Queen by invitation and not by imposition; twice voted”

Saturday, September 12th 2015 - 10:18 UTC
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The Queen of Gibraltar and the Rock’s evacuation generation were honoured on National Day Thursday by thousands of Gibraltarians who crammed into Casemates Square dressed in red and white. Read full article

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  • Skip

    Australia has also voted to remain a constitutional monarchy under HM. There is now another push to vot yet again. This time they are hoping to convince us of change by making the question more general and less specific.

    At least we don't have Spain as one of our choices.

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Queen Elizabeth, your either in or out,

    If she ever was allowed to come to Gibraltar
    who is stopping her,
    as a matter of fact, she should visit Gibraltar ,
    and sod any objections from Spain.

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @2. One might wonder whether there is a security threat. Who knows what spain might get up to?

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • redp0ll

    Catalans seem to want Independence from Spain. What is their opinión on Gibraltar becoming part of Spain? Any informed opinions please.

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Spain 'has no respect' for British territorial waters around Gibraltar, accusing
    The Spanish of “recklessness and negligence

    said Spain has been allowed to get away with ”atrocious“ and ”bullying“ behaviour.
    And he said he is ”disappointed our Government is not taking much stronger action“ against them.
    The British Government seems content to sit back and complain but they don't take any further action.”
    He called for more Royal Navy boats to be brought in to stop Spanish vessels
    Read on==
    http://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2015/09/10/spain-has-no-respect-for-british-territorial-waters-around-gibraltar/

    Spanish frigate Almirante Juan de Borbón (F102) leaving #Liverpool in the rain today @NavyLookout @GreyFunnelLine http://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2015/09/10/spain-has-no-respect-for-british-territorial-waters-around-gibraltar/

    Why do we let the Spanish navy come here as friends,
    When they stab us in the back in Gibraltar.

    Just my watery opinion.
    .

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    1 - yes, those familiar with the last vote in Aus will know how the monarchists created division and uncertainty, rest assured it won't work next time.
    In any case the prospect of a King Charles as head of state will be more than enough to counter any such monarchist machinations.
    Hang on in there Charlie, not long now.

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • aussiesunshinee

    *4 Catalans NO!! It is the NATIONALIST CATALANS who want independence NOT
    Catalans.
    *5 If you knew something about diplomatic relations. You would not be
    asking silly questions but you don´t, do you??

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Niether do you,

    but then we only tell lies, and you the expert always tell the truth-not.

    6@
    rest assured it won't work next time.
    wanna bet, we know nothing but but as 7@ has stated, you are always correct, and the world according to you lot rolls on,

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • diefra

    A question for brits. Are relantionships between Spain & Gibraltar, better than Falk & Arg ( well in fact we have not reltionship)?

    Gibraltar s people can work in Spain? I know that Gibraltar has been recognized as independent nation in Europe

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    Evacuated ...before or after 64 French bombers attacked Gibraltar in September 1940
    Or their return the next day with 83 bombers...
    Some allies....

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6. Nope not really. Spain's poor can work in Gibraltar. The local spanish area depends on Gibraltar. If Gibraltar closed the frontier, southern spain would die. What a pity that the Falklands can't make argieland die in the same way. But, just like argieland, spain lies every day. Oh to be out of the EU so that spain could be bombed, missiled and bombarded.

    Incidentally, you know nothing. Because Gibraltar is recognised as an overseas and dependent territory of the United Kingdom.

    Sep 12th, 2015 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Vestige

    Your grasp of the future is as weak as your understanding of the past.

    However, if it is that easy for constitutional monarchists to sow such discord then that is more a reflection on the republicans. Division and uncertainty only thrive where there is a lack of conviction.

    Like you, republicans can only use scare tactics. You overestimate the distaste for Charles, the trust we have for our politicians and simplify this as some sort of popularity contest.

    But then it is almost impossible to argue against such a successful system, so hey let's concentrate on personalities!

    Gads, I hope the ARM employs people like you.

    Sep 13th, 2015 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @6. You are welcome to become a (spit) republic. There was a time when Australia could have become a great nation. 1941 and the Empire of Japan wanted Australia. Britain sent much needed forces and defended Australia. Now nearly 500,000 Chinese “breeders” are in place. 398,000 Indians, 223,000 Vietnamese, 154,000 Malaysians, 110,000 Sri Lankans and so it goes on. So glad you're disassociating yourselves. How does it feel to be a Chinese colony?

    Sep 13th, 2015 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yeah that comment didn't make much sense.

    Put down the gin bottle Conqs and type with both hands.

    Sep 13th, 2015 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Apparently Germany , Italy , Poland , Spain, and France have met and agreed to future talks on a European military force , a future integrated EU army to rival NATO and ignoring Britain,
    So they say..

    don't know if its true.

    Sep 13th, 2015 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    12 skip/anglotino - I see Turnbull got elected. An ex-chairman of the Australian Republican Movement as your new prime minister. Enjoy.

    :)

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Cognitio

    Yeh! Gibraltar! Just come back from my Hols from Gib. Beautiful place. Wonderful town, fantastic marinas, lovely people and gin at £6.90 a bottle. Magic!

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    Europe is already regretting the German decision on immigrants...
    If what I've been reading from alternate sites is accurate then this immigration thing is already spiralling out of control

    Yeah. Immigrants are fighting the German Polizei with ISIS flags. Merkel won't survive this unless she cracks down hard....and now!

    http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.it/2015/09/europe-is-already-regretting-german.html
    ////////////////
    My opinion is..
    Look at the pictures, fit young aggressive men using ISIS flags attacking the German police,
    Look at their faces, should not they be at home fighting for their own country instead of using violence against those that are trying to help them,

    Or is ISIS carrying out its threat and using them [some[ to create divisions and showing us [the Germans] that they are totally incompatible with the western world,

    With these doors being guarded, who will be next, Spain, will thousands try to get in there,
    Gibralter wont be so easy.

    Sympathy goes only so far, and the do-gooders and bleeding hearts should understand this, before they slag the rest of us of,

    Just my opinion.
    .

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Voice

    18
    Or is it a photo from 2012....?
    Ermm....yep it is..;-)

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    just thought it was interesting.

    seeing as it will get more interesting soon.

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Yes Vestige I see he did.

    Your point being?

    Oh, your point being that we are now closer to becoming a republic.

    Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha gads do you actually know anything about Australia?

    First off I'm so glad Tony is gone. I am already enjoying the change as to use an old quote “The economy, stupid”! So I can continue voting Liberal. Tony even with all his monarchical support was a bad PM, but Shorten would be even worse.

    And secondly, my current and indeed old prediction stands in that Australia won't become a republic in the foreseeable future. Because I think your last prediction was based on Labor winning the next election-which this event just blew out of the water.

    I can't predict generational changes in Australia even though the younger generation are more supportive of the status quo than their parents. But there will be no Australian republic before 2050. Labor says they want one by 2025.

    So state your prediction with conviction. When will it be? That's a 35 year window I just gave you! That should see out both HM and her next heir.

    Remember I have a double majority on my side.... another thing about Australia you can't seem to get your head around.

    @Briton
    A blog? Pathetic. That's the standard I expect from Think and Paul.

    Sep 14th, 2015 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Vestige

    Yes Anglo-Coburg-Gotha/Skip Windsor, my point being Aus is again one step closer to being a republic, doesn't hurt having a dyed in the wool republican as prime minister does it ? ....well maybe it does for some.

    Your prediction is incorrect if foreseeable is defined as anything beyond 10 years.
    (IIRC that labor prediction you refer to was that labor would call a plebiscite upon their next govt term in power, still very possible, thats if someone doesn't beat them to it)

    You seem to rely on two things to maintain hope. 1-a brief renewed support, and 2 - legislation.
    I'll dispense with these quickly.

    1- any renewed support is a change against the tide and includes the effects of babies and weddings and carriages on the female psyche. Unless another tactical baby can be deployed at the exact right time the girlies will deactivate maternal mode and you lose the spike. Its a short term countermeasure. Its an improvement in a terminal condition, a stay of execution.

    2 - legislation won't ... repeat ... won't save you. When the majority return their vote you will not see Charlie for dust. Firstly its hugely undignified and one does not wish that.
    Secondly, its an untenable position, its quicksand, it only gets worse, to be seen as unwanted by the majority and still in place only recruits more against you.

    2050 is laughable, you should be so lucky. Lizzys 90 soon.
    You can put me down for 2025 too. Although thats a conservative bet, my gut says 2020.

    By 2025 - $100. (v low odds on that one I'd expect)

    Sep 15th, 2015 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    21 skip
    @Briton
    A blog? Pathetic. That's the standard I expect from Think and Paul
    ?? come again.

    Sep 15th, 2015 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ezekielman

    The British people can take immeasurable pride and satisfaction from the fact that their democracy in the United Kingdom was strong enough and confident enough to allow a vote on independence for Scotland. How revealing, and damning, that the Spanish government does not have the strength or courage or self-confidence to allow a vote on freedom for Cataluña. And it is time Ceuta and Melilla were freed from their Spanish colonial masters, too. And Galicia. And Andalusia. And Valencia. And we could go on and on, but the Spanish government need to distract everyone from their own chronic territorial problems by creating some issue over the free and independent territory of Gibraltar. You have to laugh. Ja, ja, ja,..

    Sep 18th, 2015 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Clyde15

    Vestige
    You seem to be of the mistaken opinion that IF Australia, and New Zealand decided to become Republics, that would indicate their dislike of the UK and that they wanted to distance themselves from a close relationship with us.

    Wishful thinking on your part. The relationship is not maintained by a joint Monarchy, but of history, family ties and a belief in the same principles of democracy and freedom of speech.

    If either country decides to become a Republic then it will be by the will of the people in an open referendum NOT by the will of a dictator. à la South American system.

    Sep 19th, 2015 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Skip

    Agree Clyde. An Aussie or Kiwi republic is just evolution. Not a revolution. Vestige is woefully uninformed.

    “...Aus is again one step closer to being a republic, doesn't hurt having a dyed in the wool republican as prime minister...”

    It is now one step further away. Labor was taking the republic to the next election. An election they were on track to win until this week. The Coalition won't take a republic to the next election. Maybe 2019.

    Vestige's prediction “You can put me down for 2025 too. Although thats a conservative bet, my gut says 2020”

    2020 is impossible as this would be the first year a referendum could be called.

    Unfortunately Vestige just can't get his head around our constitution. I suggest understanding the term 'Crowned republic'. I may be mistaken but he seems to allude to the possibility of the monarch abdicating. The Australian monarch is SHARED with the UK. So their monarch is our monarch. Charles can't abdicate the Australian crown. Should he abdicate the UK crown then we have KingWilliam.

    As for legislation. Wow. Ignorance or what. The parliament is not able to change the constitution. I've said this many times but Vestige doesn't get it.

    The Australian constitution can only be altered by a majority of voters in a majority of states. The government can hold multiple plebiscites but they have no constitutional standing.

    Vestige can't understand that using the 14,723,385 voters from the last election, you could have 13,249,527 vote for a republic and it would still FAIL!

    Yes 89.99% could vote for change and still fail.

    Only 8 out of 44 referenda have ever passed. The last republican referendum didn't pass a SINGLE state.

    We have said no to a preamble, a bill of rights, and a dozen other improvements to our parliament.

    The system is rigged against change. Thankfully because we don't trust politicians. But we do trust the Queen.

    Sep 19th, 2015 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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