Poverty and malnutrition are back on the Argentine presidential campaign debate as a consequence of the death of a 14-year old boy from an indigenous community which shocked Argentine public opinion. Read full article
Cristina Fernandez former Cabinet chief and now Chaco Governor Jorge “Coqui” Capitanich regretted the death of the boy, but ….. Distract, distract. Regret? They should be utterly ashamed.
Trouble is some of these peasants are so dumb they bring this on themselves.
Last year Lanatta had a program on the poverty and there was a family there saying we have nothing to eat and no money.
They were on a farm surrounded by fertile dirt. Grow some vegetables and eat all the stray dogs roaming around. You can't help these people who don't want to help themselves.
@3. Why would they want to go digging in the fertile dirt? According to Kirchner http://www.ibtimes.com/argentinas-president-raises-eyebrows-claims-countrys-poverty-rate-among-lowest-world-1958859 poverty in argieland is less than 5%. I wonder if it occurs that there is no place on the planet where you get to put a seed in the ground and have to step back quickly so that the rapid-growing plant doesn't poke you in the eye? And don't seeds cost money? How about fertiliser and water? How long does it take to grow a potato? What do you live on in the meantime? The stray dogs? Infected with every known disease. Another Kirchner ploy to kill off the indigenous people.
@6 other than spending many years living in poverty stricken countries.
The parents of this kid were already getting 9000 pesos a month for doing nothing.
There will always be poverty with people so dumb and apathetic as these parents.
@7. £623 a month. Wow. £144 a week. For how many people? Three? Maybe more. £48 each or less? How much do you get? How many of your needs are met by Mummy and Daddy? How much do you get paid for being an ignorant troll? Have you got your toilet paper and don't have cling-ons? You do understand that the world knows that all argies lie, don't you? Maybe if you tried honesty for 20 years, someone might believe you. Perhaps you don't understand there's no real difference between argies and arselickers. How do Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, Russian arses taste?
£623 a month. Yes it might sound a lot for some people, however what does that buy you in an inflation rampant country where I am told a liter of milk costs around $13 or a loaf of bread $9, how about tomatoes at $32 for 2Ib. No wonder people are starving. Can someone explain to me what that Wicked Witch Of The South has ever done for the Argentine people other than to blight their lives.
It's good that candidates opposing the party in government are making poverty and malnutrition a campaign issue.
We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it.
Perhaps an increase in the Universal Child Allocation monthly amounts? Directing more funds to education in marginal areas? Social workers checking on children's well-being? Supporting job creation in the poorest provinces?
We wait for Massa and Macri to give their details.
@11 We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it We? Who are you?
I am impatiently awaiting the incumbent government's platform points on how to address poverty in the country they are running. Other than pretending they don't exist which is their current policy.
Oh Conquerer have you blown your pension on cheap port and resorted to drinking benzene again?
You surely are one fucked up old codger.
Having never set foot in Latin America makes me wonder why a crusty old fool would post here everyday.
As the old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I don't see any of these hungry people knocking on my door asking for a job.
#14
. I don't see any of these hungry people knocking on my door asking for a job.
And why would you think any different since you are such an idiot yourself.Are you not of the opinion that you think more of yourself than you should
I am convinced myself. but who am I ,I guess(?)
campaign issue.
We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it.
Perhaps an increase in the Universal Child Allocation monthly amounts? Directing more funds to education in marginal areas? Social workers checking on children's well-being? Supporting job creation in the poorest provinces?
Enrique,
Your own Peronist solutions amount to nothing more than handouts and social workers.
Argentina can't even afford to pay for it.
Better all around to get your .. er... not your ...Argentina's economy - get it working again - honour your debts so that future potential investors won't fear their businesses being Nationalised or their loans stolen
#17 Troy Tempest
You have understood nothing about the model Argentina has been using in the last 12 years. You just spit out the old tired neocon song can't afford to pay for it as a justification to keep inequality and unfairness. It's the same blindness that keeps people opposing raising ridiculously low minimum wages in North America.
What you call Peronist solutions...handouts and social workers represents a step in re-distributing wealth, breaking the poverty cycle and giving the destitute a first step to jump up. The poor are not, like the wealthy and their parrots like to trumpet, lazy bums content with their lot. Give them jobs, give them opportunities, and they will work as hard as anybody else. Everybody wants to hope for a better life. Why do you think the Argentine middle class has expanded so much in the last decade?
This is the uniqueness of the Kirchners' approach: instead of maneuvering to benefit the wealthy while promising that they later will trickle down their money across society (which never happens) the FpV has been following the opposite path: first to redistribute to allow all to participate in the economy, making it stronger in the processs.
The Argentine oligarchy, however, never saw beyond their noses. They hate to see their domestic employees living better. They want them down, working undeclared and for a pittance. They never understood that Juan Peron was offering them the possibility of keeping their businesses going while avoiding social trouble just by paying a bit more and granting some new rights to workers. They hated Evita and called her a whore because she wasn't one of theirs.
Sounds familiar?
I understand fully.
It is you who is being willfully blind, in order to support your idealism.
You have a Class War in Argentina.
It is your corrupt political elite that are keeping the poor down.
The handouts from the Peronists are not changing anything for the poor in Argentina - they are buying votes, in order to stay in power and reap riches from the public purse.
What you call re-distributing the wealth is actually - Votes for Food - NOT a hand up from poverty.
CFK is keeping them in poverty.
THE POOR NEED JOBS.
The jobs are becoming fewer, and entrepreneurs are taxed heavily and seen as a source of revenue to fund social programs.
The poor need jobs, and where will they get them? From entrepreneurs and private business, from exports, and from foreign investment in manufacturing and commodities. A business friendly environment is needed to pay for social programs. Reduced import and export restrictions and tariffs, and some assurance that businesses wont be lost due to 'nationalisation might help.
The Argentine economy is in a shambles, after a decade long spending spree.
Money for infrastructure and civil projects has gone straight to the ruling elite - thats NOT the Middle Class - its CFK and her corrupt cronies that YOU support.
The K's have cleaned out the private pension funds and nationalised them ie stealing the contributions of others - now the well is dry, and nobody has anything. How will CFK pay for her handouts now?
I think you'll find that the Middle Class will actually decline, under CFK's policies.
Perhaps if ALL the Argentine people paid their taxes... but that might mean a culture change.
The attitude, I'm too smart to pay taxes, has to change.
No I do not support McJobs - it makes no economic sense - such disparity of income hurts society. We are in agreement there.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNow if we could just get our sticky paws on the Falklands, why we'd have no more poverty or starvation in Argentina.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@1 The logic of extreme nationalism.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristina Fernandez former Cabinet chief and now Chaco Governor Jorge “Coqui” Capitanich regretted the death of the boy, but ….. Distract, distract. Regret? They should be utterly ashamed.
Trouble is some of these peasants are so dumb they bring this on themselves.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last year Lanatta had a program on the poverty and there was a family there saying we have nothing to eat and no money.
They were on a farm surrounded by fertile dirt. Grow some vegetables and eat all the stray dogs roaming around. You can't help these people who don't want to help themselves.
@3. Why would they want to go digging in the fertile dirt? According to Kirchner http://www.ibtimes.com/argentinas-president-raises-eyebrows-claims-countrys-poverty-rate-among-lowest-world-1958859 poverty in argieland is less than 5%. I wonder if it occurs that there is no place on the planet where you get to put a seed in the ground and have to step back quickly so that the rapid-growing plant doesn't poke you in the eye? And don't seeds cost money? How about fertiliser and water? How long does it take to grow a potato? What do you live on in the meantime? The stray dogs? Infected with every known disease. Another Kirchner ploy to kill off the indigenous people.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@3. lol. Exactly. Bootstrap yourself up! Oops! No boots!
Sep 14th, 2015 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”when the country has all the resources to create job opportunities,”
That's communism, alright.
In a world of private ownership of land posts 3and 5 can be seen to lack much experience of anything other than there own happy way of life
Sep 14th, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@6 other than spending many years living in poverty stricken countries.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The parents of this kid were already getting 9000 pesos a month for doing nothing.
There will always be poverty with people so dumb and apathetic as these parents.
@7. £623 a month. Wow. £144 a week. For how many people? Three? Maybe more. £48 each or less? How much do you get? How many of your needs are met by Mummy and Daddy? How much do you get paid for being an ignorant troll? Have you got your toilet paper and don't have cling-ons? You do understand that the world knows that all argies lie, don't you? Maybe if you tried honesty for 20 years, someone might believe you. Perhaps you don't understand there's no real difference between argies and arselickers. How do Chinese, Iranian, North Korean, Russian arses taste?
Sep 14th, 2015 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argy brainwashed,
Sep 14th, 2015 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Watch=Poverty and malnutrition
Learn=Poverty and malnutrition
And be educated==Poverty and malnutrition
Enough said...
£623 a month. Yes it might sound a lot for some people, however what does that buy you in an inflation rampant country where I am told a liter of milk costs around $13 or a loaf of bread $9, how about tomatoes at $32 for 2Ib. No wonder people are starving. Can someone explain to me what that Wicked Witch Of The South has ever done for the Argentine people other than to blight their lives.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's good that candidates opposing the party in government are making poverty and malnutrition a campaign issue.
Sep 14th, 2015 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it.
Perhaps an increase in the Universal Child Allocation monthly amounts? Directing more funds to education in marginal areas? Social workers checking on children's well-being? Supporting job creation in the poorest provinces?
We wait for Massa and Macri to give their details.
Keep giving them false hope,
Sep 14th, 2015 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then taking it away.
@11 We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it We? Who are you?
Sep 14th, 2015 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am impatiently awaiting the incumbent government's platform points on how to address poverty in the country they are running. Other than pretending they don't exist which is their current policy.
Oh Conquerer have you blown your pension on cheap port and resorted to drinking benzene again?
Sep 14th, 2015 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You surely are one fucked up old codger.
Having never set foot in Latin America makes me wonder why a crusty old fool would post here everyday.
As the old saying goes: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. I don't see any of these hungry people knocking on my door asking for a job.
#14
Sep 14th, 2015 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0. I don't see any of these hungry people knocking on my door asking for a job.
And why would you think any different since you are such an idiot yourself.Are you not of the opinion that you think more of yourself than you should
I am convinced myself. but who am I ,I guess(?)
13 ElaineB
Sep 15th, 2015 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0I and the rat in me pocket!
11 Enrique
Sep 15th, 2015 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0campaign issue.
We are impatiently waiting their platform points describing how they intend to address it.
Perhaps an increase in the Universal Child Allocation monthly amounts? Directing more funds to education in marginal areas? Social workers checking on children's well-being? Supporting job creation in the poorest provinces?
Enrique,
Your own Peronist solutions amount to nothing more than handouts and social workers.
Argentina can't even afford to pay for it.
Better all around to get your .. er... not your ...Argentina's economy - get it working again - honour your debts so that future potential investors won't fear their businesses being Nationalised or their loans stolen
#17 Troy Tempest
Sep 16th, 2015 - 05:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have understood nothing about the model Argentina has been using in the last 12 years. You just spit out the old tired neocon song can't afford to pay for it as a justification to keep inequality and unfairness. It's the same blindness that keeps people opposing raising ridiculously low minimum wages in North America.
What you call Peronist solutions...handouts and social workers represents a step in re-distributing wealth, breaking the poverty cycle and giving the destitute a first step to jump up. The poor are not, like the wealthy and their parrots like to trumpet, lazy bums content with their lot. Give them jobs, give them opportunities, and they will work as hard as anybody else. Everybody wants to hope for a better life. Why do you think the Argentine middle class has expanded so much in the last decade?
This is the uniqueness of the Kirchners' approach: instead of maneuvering to benefit the wealthy while promising that they later will trickle down their money across society (which never happens) the FpV has been following the opposite path: first to redistribute to allow all to participate in the economy, making it stronger in the processs.
The Argentine oligarchy, however, never saw beyond their noses. They hate to see their domestic employees living better. They want them down, working undeclared and for a pittance. They never understood that Juan Peron was offering them the possibility of keeping their businesses going while avoiding social trouble just by paying a bit more and granting some new rights to workers. They hated Evita and called her a whore because she wasn't one of theirs.
Sounds familiar?
18 Enrique
Sep 16th, 2015 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand fully.
It is you who is being willfully blind, in order to support your idealism.
You have a Class War in Argentina.
It is your corrupt political elite that are keeping the poor down.
The handouts from the Peronists are not changing anything for the poor in Argentina - they are buying votes, in order to stay in power and reap riches from the public purse.
What you call re-distributing the wealth is actually - Votes for Food - NOT a hand up from poverty.
CFK is keeping them in poverty.
THE POOR NEED JOBS.
The jobs are becoming fewer, and entrepreneurs are taxed heavily and seen as a source of revenue to fund social programs.
The poor need jobs, and where will they get them? From entrepreneurs and private business, from exports, and from foreign investment in manufacturing and commodities. A business friendly environment is needed to pay for social programs. Reduced import and export restrictions and tariffs, and some assurance that businesses wont be lost due to 'nationalisation might help.
The Argentine economy is in a shambles, after a decade long spending spree.
Money for infrastructure and civil projects has gone straight to the ruling elite - thats NOT the Middle Class - its CFK and her corrupt cronies that YOU support.
The K's have cleaned out the private pension funds and nationalised them ie stealing the contributions of others - now the well is dry, and nobody has anything. How will CFK pay for her handouts now?
I think you'll find that the Middle Class will actually decline, under CFK's policies.
Perhaps if ALL the Argentine people paid their taxes... but that might mean a culture change.
The attitude, I'm too smart to pay taxes, has to change.
No I do not support McJobs - it makes no economic sense - such disparity of income hurts society. We are in agreement there.
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