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Argentina's incumbent presidential candidate Scioli could just make it in the first round

Saturday, October 3rd 2015 - 11:01 UTC
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Ruling party candidate Daniel Scioli could win Argentina's presidential election in the first round, after an opinion poll published on Friday showed he had widened his lead over his closest rival. Scioli, the anointed candidate of President Cristina Fernandez, would win 41.3% of voters' support, including his share of projected undecided votes, the survey by Ricardo Rouvier & Associates showed. Second-placed mayor of Buenos Aires City, Mauricio Macri would secure 30.5%. Read full article

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  • Mendoza Canadian

    Do these people never, ever learn anything? If they elect this jackass they will find out that 2001 was a walk in the park. Already today in the news it is announced that he is lying about his net worth. La Cretina will still be running the show and she will be president again in 4 years time...wake up for god's sake.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Stevie

    Hahahaha

    *Insert your excuse here*

    Nisman! Use Nisman!!

    Hahahaha!!!

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Good luck Argentina with your election, but remember you get what you vote for.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    2 stevie

    why are you laughing?

    why do you think it is funny to bring up Nisman?

    Ideology, not the People. Right, Stevie?

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @4 Stevie has been all over threads looking for attention. Ignore him.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Stevie is who best expresses the feeling of our South America. Let him talk as much as he wants.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    They cannot lean anything, they are poor and ill-educated. This is a group of people (Latam) that want's to act as one over a race....why is that? They talk collectively, act individually and fight among themselves politically or in courts. It's like those in that continent want to be the communist version of the USA.....individual states under one federation. I say let the do what they want and let them do it themselves. There is not enough of a wealthy demo to sell to, so we do not sell to them. Conversely, we do not buy from them either. Left them have China and Russia, their seemingly saviors.

    #6 Tobi...........tu papa is caliente, ir a casa ahora.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    We no longer do business with you Saxons long time ago.

    Russia and China are far more reliable trading partners...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0s0kr0tRHk&index=90&list=FLmXPTu1f8AdGlizWNiASx2A

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    @5 ElaineB

    Quite right - pure provocation.

    Similar to attention-starved racist, Nostril Brassiere.

    Oct 03rd, 2015 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Great_coral_aTrolL

    I am not Brasileiro (again). I hate Brazzos as much as a I hate EUians, Anglos, NorthAmoans, Chinosians, Ozzers, Cannaries, and the Chilis.

    I am not racist, the rest of you are racist against the Argentines. Let's not forget that irrefragable reality.

    This is an amazing excerpt on the TRUTH ABOUT THE ANGLO:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11908593/Philip-Hammond-Britain-will-vote-no-if-EU-does-not-back-down.html

    “However, he makes clear to his counterparts across Europe that British voters will leave if there are not “robust” guarantees that any reform package is “irreversible”.

    ”Irreversible“? So these 4th Reich nuts that so cavalierly are called ”the British government“, now are speaking in the name of their voters... This Anglonazi is saying ”Britain will leave the EU”...

    Really, and who are you exactly to speak on behalf of the voters and state a result before any voting has been made, when at least half DISAGREE with your position? (which btw, shouldn't you just be a little more neutral?). Presumptuous is too soft a word.

    And then the best part, “irreversible”. What kind of democratic man would say that any vote on any law made should be made “irreversible”? Well golly, how can you be talking about leaving the EU then? That then would be irreversible too right?

    At least in the last part he has still enough mental stability to admit leaving the EU would send the UK into an immediate recession. Most of the dimwits here in this forum actually think the UK would boom, and that THEM leaving would cause the EU to fall in a depression?

    Now that's trully lunatic territory.

    Anglos will be Anglos

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #1 Mendoza Canadian
    The perplexity of the Islanders is moving.
    “Do these people never, ever learn anything?...Already today in the news it is announced...”
    Dear Mendoza: “these people,” contrary to your bias, do know what they are doing. They will not elect the Islanders' favourite--not in a thousand years!!

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    10 Tobi Nostrils Brassiere,

    You are fooling nobody - the posts parallel each other to tee.

    Trolls will be trolls.

    You do NOT truly represent the people or the sympathies of either Argentina or Brazil.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Caledon

    @11

    “They will not elect the Islanders favourite-not in a thousand years”

    There are two basic flaws with that statement.

    1) The Islanders don't care who you vote for

    And

    2) The Islanders don't care who you vote for

    Now.I know this is the same flaw twice. But ,trust us , so fundamental is that to your analysis of the Islanders “having a favourite”, being complete and utter bollox it was worth emphasising.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • The Voice

    @10 Brasileiro Nostril Shut Up! Your racist ramblings are out of order. You are an embarrasment to the many millions of decent Argentinian people. Ms Swink is organising a love in just down the road from our embassy. Oh no! You cant make it because you dont actually live there? Cizneros will guide you to sanity with Lithium if you ask him nicely. Honk honk!

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Who gives a shit who the Argentinians vote for it is for them to vote who they think ( a bit tongue in cheek ) would run the country better, but with no money in the vaults GOD help them. Maybe Papa the Pope can release some of the billions in the Catholic Church and lend them some money, although I wont hold by breath.
    You vote for what you wish for.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Chicureo

    Personally I think it's a good thing that the Argentines elect a Peronist president as there will be an economic collapse no matter what in 2016 due to CFK's financial smoke and mirrors. They get what they deserve.

    Sad...

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Brasileiro

    Chilíndio arrived !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqUuNiCG_s

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    17 Chicureo

    Agreed, it's best that the inevitable financial and economic collapse occur whilst a Peronist successor to CFK is in “in control” of the government.

    Finger pointing will be confined to Peronist blaming Peronist - it should paint a clear picture for the public and rip the Peronist factions apart.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    WHEN I WAS 18 YEARS OLD.
    In 1999 i was eighteen years old, and i voted for the first time, i chose De La Rua, and i did it because i though that the main problem of the country was corruption, not the economic model, in fact, all those who wanted De La Rua for president asked the government to create the jobs that Menem's policies had destroyed, but at the same time we pretended it to keep the convertivility plan, which was a flagrant contradiction.
    I'm not saying that corruption isn't a big problem in the nation, but i would be too inocent if i believed again that it was the main motive of the argentina decadence.
    In 2003, after the dramatic experience of the 2001 crisis, i despised politic, if somebody had told me that workers were going to get very important achievements, or if i had been told that Argentina was going to start a huge and ambitious reindustrialization process, or if i had been told the country was going to have much more autonomy, without the interventions of the i. m. f., i would have recommended that person to see a group of psychiatrists,.
    The Argentina of post kirchnerism will be a nation with many pendent social debts, like poverty, unequality, unemployment, insecurity, etc, but it will be also a country where workers could get achievements that were unthinkable 12 years ago, and in the 90's, in fact, it's recognized even by conservative politicians, who have never cared about workers (Macri and Massa), and who had to admit publicly that they are disposed to keep them, in case that they win the elections, which shows clearly that in the context of the new Argentina, there is not so much social consensus for the neoliberalism that those candidats represent, which is a hard cultural defeat for them, in my opinion, i think it's worst than loosing an election.
    As far as i'm concerned, it's the first time in my life i defend a government at the end of it's administration.
    Final figures of primary elections: f. p. v. : 38,5%, and Macri: 30,5%......

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    @ 19 axel arg
    Correction:

    “The Argentina of post kirchnerism will be a nation with many expensive debts”

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Briton

    mmmmm34 then,

    far to young and innocent to be on here,

    they will turn your brain on here, indoctrinate and ruin you,

    quick run away now before they corrupt you,
    ooopppsss to late,,

    I'm not saying that corruption isn't a big problem in the nation, but I would be too innocent if I believed again that it was the main motive

    19 axel arg
    have you ever thought of running for office.

    just a thought.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    @19
    Interesting posting, Axel.
    I believe accusations of corruption have been liberally used by the opposition in a bid to divert attention from a corporate platform they cannot openly present to Argentines.
    Ironically, now Macri finds himself under fire for distributing City of Buenos Aires money to friends and allies through direct contracts, as well as declaring millions in fictitious disbursements to media outlets across the country, allegedly payments for “government advertising.”
    Indeed, Macri's desperate maneuver to get votes by promising to keep several measures implemented by Nestor and Cristina shows the popular determination to keep those advances intact. Only, Argentines are not going to be fooled by this 11th hour turn around.
    I hope the FpV inflicts a resounding defeat to the neoliberals come Oct. 25.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jonaz_BsAs

    Scioli has now decided not to participate in the presidential debate. Such a coward scumbag. He knows the election is bought and paid for.

    Oct 04th, 2015 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Klingon

    I believe accusations of corruption have been liberally used by the opposition in a bid to divert attention from a corporate platform they cannot openly present to Argentines.

    And so you believe Lazo Baez when he says his workers commuted daily 1200 kms from the Kirchner hotel to the job site?? You are about as sharp as a melted crayon!

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • DanyBerger

    @Enrique Massot

    I do agree with you.

    The opposition parties have made the whole political argument accusing the K to be corrupted, etc. but now like “Mauricio Macri” has become the big delusion to their followers.

    Mauricio Macri was discovered to pay 23 millions using public funds to his friend “Niembro” an sport journalist to promote his image over Fox network with fake contracts for the city.

    The contracts given to “Niembro” were for “repartir volantes” (leafleting) ha ha ha

    23 millions to do that is really a joke.

    No enough with that his friend company was created a week before he got the contracts and since then no other client was reported and even more ridiculous is that his friends company has not a single employee.

    But Mauricio keep saying that this was all legal while his friend is being prosecuted ... ha ha ha

    It is not amazing???

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MagnusMaster

    @18 Unfortunately the Peronists are masters of manipulation and doublethink, if Scioli gets elected and the economy blows up, the only one affected will likely be Scioli, and hopefully CFK. But the Peronists can easily pretend they have always been at war with Eastasia and retain power. They control everything, after all.

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Mendoza Canadian

    He didn't even have the nerve to participate in the first ever presidential debate last night. What a coward. They even had a place for him on the stage. Guess the people of this country don't have the right to know what he might be planning if...if...he becomes president. Sort of like his master. You jump when I tell you to.

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    Can't wait for Stiusos book to come out should be interesting and illuminating, seems everyone in Argentina has a skeleton in his or her cupboard, glad I don't live there anymore.

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    28 golfcronie
    You sure be glad...as are 41 million Argentines!

    Oct 05th, 2015 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19 axel arg; 22 Enrique Massot & 25 DanyBerger

    You might ignore the video with the political ideas and point of views of the “Latin American revolutionary”...ha ha ha...I love peronists/fascists....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s1PRPsVSXA

    I hope you enjoy him...he is going to be your new “leader”...your new “duce”...your new “furher”.....

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Enrique Massot

    #30 pgerman
    If you don't like Daniel Scioli or anybody else, it's your right to speak against them. That is democracy.
    Now, making nonsensical statements like those above really does not help your cause. Not even readers in a forum as reactionary as this one will take you seriously.
    To stop being a clown, I suggest you grab a few serious books on political science. Learn what fascism and Nazism really are, learn some Argentine history, and then come back and put forth some serious arguments.

    By the way, German: learn some spelling too: this is how you write fuhrer (or führer if you wanna be real fancy).

    Also: The NY Court of Appeals has quashed another Griesa ruling allowing the vultures rights over the money Argentina sent to pay the restructured creditors. Another setback for Paul Singer and his cohort.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    Quique.....backing up to golf on Stiusos book, why do you suppose CL Kirchner wants him enough to openly threaten the US in general and back channel threaten some officials specifically? More so, IF he is in the USA, rest assured that he is there for cause. Do you honestly feel the best and most appropriate course of action for a pissant is to bite the toes of an anteater?

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pcIV

    “...but it shows Scioli extending his lead over conservative Macri which could be crucial in three weeks time.”

    so for this 4th class site, macri is conservative...
    it is funny when the 4th class press talk about things they don't understand.

    macri is part of cambiemos, which is an alliance with the ucr and the coalición cívica.
    it has nothing to do with the partido conservador or its ideas.

    now, the funniest thing is reading the nonsense of these good-for-nothing from the islets.
    despite the fact i despise scioli, he is a lot better than kirchner, and ihe has very little to do with her in the political area, economics and foreign affairs.

    the good thing is that all the candidates have the same position regarding our malvinas argentina.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19 axel arg; 22 Enrique Massot; 25 DanyBerger and other fascists.

    Scioli doesn't seem to be a “leftists” just to the contrary.

    Have you read Urtubey declarations to the press? There you have them:

    http://www.infobae.com/2015/10/02/1759684-juan-manuel-urtubey-reconocio-que-es-necesario-acordar-los-holdouts

    In addition, the day Axel Kichiloff started working as Minister of Economy (the 20/November/2013) the U$D cost 6,04 pesos...now...almost two years ago...one dollar costs 9,44 pesos...this is a devaluation of 55% in less than two year...Who is going to applied one “ajuste”?.....Macri?...Massa?...mmm...I would say the FPV....

    Remember Diana Conti, and other peronists, she always say that CFK is the “leader” of the movement...LIDER (in Spanish) = LEADER (in English) = DUCE (in Italian) = Furher (In German)...it is not a joke...

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • golfcronie

    @34
    On top of the devaluation of the peso, drip,drip every day, incidently the peso has dropped from 9.02 = U$S in june 3rd to 9.44 oct 5th plus the inflation figures anywhere between 20-30% per annum depending on who you believe. Not doing very well is he or the country for that matter. Still she ( who must be obeyed ) keeps printing money.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Captain Poppy

    “so for this 4th class site, macri is conservative...
    it is funny when the 4th class press talk about things they don't understand.”

    Different name same old shit. Oh my....you are so clever!!!!

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 11:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19 axel arg; 22 Enrique Massot; 25 DanyBerger and other fascists.

    I would suggest that you read the following books about peronism, fascism and nazism:

    “Apold, el Inventor del Peronismo” from Silvia Mercado (the daughter of an historical personist leader)

    “El Relato Peronista” from Silvia Mercado

    “Del Estado Liberal a la Nacion Catolica” from Loris Zanatta (an italian sociologist)

    “La internacional Justicialista” from Loris Zanatta

    “Es El Peronismo Estupido” from Fernando Iglesias

    “La autentica Odessa” from Uki Goñi

    “Peron y el Mito de la Nacion Catolica” from Loris Zanatta

    “El Populismo ” from Loris Zanatta

    All these books, sadly only in Spanish, will inform you about peronism and facism.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troy Tempest

    Capt. Poppy

    just ignore the Troll - his posts have no substance, and no value.

    Just an insulting, but lazy-minded deadhead like Marcos the Dimwit, with nothing to say.

    Oct 06th, 2015 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • pgerman

    @19 axel arg; 22 Enrique Massot; 25 DanyBerger and other fascists.

    This new piece of news is for you:

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1834245-mario-blejer-hay-que-resolver-el-problema-de-los-holdouts-estamos-llegando-tarde-a-la-fiesta

    Enjoy it !!!!

    Oct 07th, 2015 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pugol-H

    Well he’s got a point, we are coming to the end of a long period of very cheap money, whilst Argentina is paying 7.5 % to the Chinese and 9% on bond so far, probably 10+ on the next lot.

    And it’s only going to get more expensive from here on in.

    Oct 10th, 2015 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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